Change it back!: All of the "moments"

Now, don't get me wrong; I'm not the type to cry "RUINEDFOREVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!1" every time a trope name is changed, but these seemed unnecessary. Taken from the "When to rename a trope page":

Reasons not to rename

''It ain't broke. If the name has good inbound links, it is working. If the name is being accurately used around the wiki to refer to the trope, it is working. If it doesn't have unnecessary complaining and gushing, it's working. You can get information on these things by clicking the 'related to...' button on the trope's page. ''

If the name is a term already in use in the world, it is working. 'In the world', by the way, also means 'in a specific fandom.' If more than one term is used for it, we have redirects to use or we may need an additional article. A lot of times, two terms mean two subtly different tropes.

Needs a punctuated title. We have a new system for that, which can add punctuation without the need to rename. Use that instead and feel free to cutlist any ptitle redirects without wicks or inbound links (click the "related" button to check).

The change is not for the community as a whole, but just your own personal opinion. It isn't about you.

There is no consensus. Consensus does not mean a simple majority. What does constitute consensus is hard to pin down, but a unilateral action is easy to spot.

Reasons to propose a rename

If a name is not working, it may be suffering from one or more of the following problems. These are guesses about why the name is not working, not rules that have to be followed:

Incoherent: The name Spoon Speaker, for example, literally had nothing to do with the trope it once described. This can be a particular problem with snowclones. Too often the cleverness of a snowclone can obscure the fact that a name doesn't quite fit, at least for the specific trope described.

''Work Dependent: The Corps Is Mother makes no sense to anyone who isn't a Babylon 5 fan, for example. In particularly extreme cases, even fans of the source material may be mystified. Consider 'Sasami Syndrome' (Fan Preferred Couple) and 'Jean Grey Escalation' (Never Live It Down), two names that were dependent on knowing the source work. ''

''Character-Named: No character is so iconic that everyone will instantly recognize what it means to be, for example, 'The John Smith'. For people who aren't familiar with the character, all characters might as well be named John Smith. In addition, most characters are not known for a single aspect; for example, even assuming you know who Mario is, a trope called The Mario could mean a well-rounded character, a plumber with a mustache, or the older brother who overshadows his younger sibling. Named After A Work Of Fiction: For instance, Halfway Plot Switch, Die Hard On An X and Parent Trap Plot used to be From Dusk Till Dawn, Die Hard and The Parent Trap respectively. These are confusing for the reader. Were you talking about the movie, or not? ''

Not Sounding Neutral Enough: When a title sounds biased and has an unneeded negative (or positive) tone, it can unintentionally cause Conversation In The Main Page, gushing and complaining. For an example, You Fail X Forever titles were changed to X Goof because of that.

Now, let's examine all of these:

The first one: the crowners were most certainly not broken. They were easy to understand, and people used them correctly.

The second one: Crowning moment of.... aren't exactly commonly used terms "in the world", but people would understand what you meant if you said it.

The third one: Nothing here.

The fourth one: I'm not entirely sure about this one, but it is certainly a possibility.

The fifth one: Consensus? What consensus?

The sixth one: It wasn't incoherent; it made perfect sense.

The seventh one: Not work dependant.

The eigth one: Nope.

The ninth one: Once again, nope.

The tenth one: THIS is most likely reason it was changed. However, the changer was Completely Missing The Point of two things- they were subjective tropes, and they were on the Sugar Wiki, where the entire point is to gush about things. It'd be like changing Wall Banger to "Somewhat frustrating moment, but nothing to get to worked up about", because honestly, the problem wasn't bad enough to really make you bang your head against a wall, right?

edited 20th May '11 12:35:40 PM by Kexruct

Just realized this was a stale discussion. Someone lock this please.

Edit: Nevermind, it isn't.

edited 20th May '11 12:32:39 PM by Kexruct

You're a little late to the party, buddy. Just pothole it as Crowning Moment instead of Moment of.

What can I say? I'm lazy.

<Mod Ruling> No. This issue is not up for debate, it was not decided by popular vote, and will not be reversed. Thanks, and goodbye.