General Star Wars Animated Series

We already saw how easily replaceable and disposable people are to Palpatine earlier this season.

Edited by Cortez on Apr 2nd 2023 at 4:25:10 AM

To be fair to Hunter, IIRC his plan wasn't just to rescue Crosshair (though that was obviously his personal stake) it was to rescue Crosshair and a whole bunch of other captive clones potentially.

If you could produce a highly trained and motivated corps of troops to fight against the Empire that's also pretty useful in a different way to Saws plan.

No, it was just to rescue Crosshair. They don't really talk about the possibility of other captured clones. It's just "Crosshair is our brother, he's one of us!" Anyone else they happen to rescue is a bonus, but they're explicitly here for Crosshair.

Crosshair being a fascist who betrayed the group because he has a differing opinion on whether genocide is justifiable. He went home to the Empire, taught their soldiers how to cruelly execute civilians, and spent weeks trying to murder his "brothers". He only finally dissented because he realized that people who look like him are on the Empire's chopping block - Something that people who look like him have been saying to him over and over, but that only counts now because it happened in front of him.

Crosshair is where he is because this is where he chose to be. The Batch owes him nothing. The idea that he's "still our brother" even though he's a cruel, fascist, homicidal monster that's tried to murder us multiple times is pretty weak. It's just classic modern-writer "Abusers must be forgiven for anything they do if they're your family. Family comes first."

The Batch traded Tech's life for Crosshair's. I hope it was worth the price. I really do.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Apr 2nd 2023 at 7:06:37 AM

Amazing. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

Crosshair warned the Bad Batch that the Empire is after Omega, never once asking them to save him. If he cared about his own neck, he would have sold them out to Hemlock the moment he's told his life will be spared.

Additionally, Hunter has made it clear that while Crosshair is a primary objective, there are more clones held captive with Crosshair they also intend to rescue. It's not simply about rescuing Crosshair. It's about rescuing the clones held captive there as well. After all, Rex would be appreciative of this rescue attempt.

Edited by Shadao on Apr 2nd 2023 at 7:23:10 AM

Watching that clip again, yeah. Hunter flat out states that they are searching for missing clones, not just Crosshairs. I think it was Echo who confirmed that Hemlock had something to do with the missing clones as well (since he was the one who'd been rescuing them alongside Rex).

While I can see why Saw sees the advantage of chipping away at the Imperials by taking out some important leadership early (and I even see some logic in Tobias' point that, even if they're replaced, the replacements will be less competent), there's also logic in the Batch's plan, as it would allow them to find a ready and willing group of soldiers to build up the ranks of the rebellion.

Honestly, with a little more early coordination, there was probably room for both plans, ala that episode of Rebels with Cham Syndula.

He wanted to destroy a cruiser to inspire the resistance on Ryloth. Hera and the ghost crew wanted to steal it to both free Ryloth and help the overall rebellion.

Eventually they convinced him that their plan was better overall, but then another imperial cruiser showed up, giving them the chance to try both plans.

I feel like this little twitter thread from someone I follow sums up how I feel on Saw killing Tarkin and Krennic.

It might have slowed it down but it wouldn't have stopped the Death Star from happening. Palpatine wanted the Death Star. And I say this as someone who loves Saw as a character. He's a great character but I can acknowledge his shortcomings as a person.

Edited by RussellStar5641 on Apr 2nd 2023 at 6:49:20 AM

I think one problem people have with Saw's plan is also that he's basically expecting other people to make sacrifices for "the greater good" while he himself has nothing left he could sacrifice in the first place.

Saw lost his home, his family, everything. He's got nothing left to lose, but other people do.

Saw: “Some of you will die, and that is a sacrifice I am going to make.”

Saw was pretty much created to reprisent a rebel who ends up hurting the cause by being too extreme.

It's of course highly debatable where the line for "too extreme" lies when fighting a facist institution.

I wouldn't say too extreme is the problem for Saw. The problem is that he has no coherent plan with his attacks. Note that the Bad Batch, particularly Tech, aren't actually opposed to assassinating high-ranking Imperials. It's just that one of them happens to know where the other clones are held captive and if either he or his ship they're tracking gets destroyed, then the entire mission is compromised.

Saw is not blowing them up because it will disrupt their plans and cause issues in the chain of command. He's blowing them up because they are Imperial.

That's not true. Saw's wasn't picking a random imperial target for the sake of just hurting some imperials. He was picking this specific Imperial target because he believed taking out these specific targets would damage the Empire's war effort.

It's not that he has no conception of planning: much to the opposite. He thinks his plan will affect those things and disrupt the chain of command, that's why he's taking out the top brass in the first place.

It just that he refuses to believe Tech's arguments that he probably won't have the affect he thinks he will.

When it come to the Saw’ plans, this one was definetely more thought out than some of his later ones. But as Batch points out, Empire will just find replacement for all people he kills (heck for all we know Tarkin’s replacement could end up being even worse than him).

Tales of the Jedi is getting a second season.

OH YEAH.

Was Saw ever associated with the Rebellion in any capacity, or was he doing his own thing up until his death?

The Rebellion grudgingly worked with him several times when they had overlapping goals, but he was never a member.

Yeah. He kinda soured the pot by being willing to attack civilian targets and just having no standards about who he attacked.

Going after imperials is fine. He cut ties with them (or they cut ties with him) sometime in between Season 3 and 4 of Rebels.

What plot lines do we want to see in Tales of the Jedi 2?

Honnestly I would love to see more of young Dooku, but I appreciate the joy of an anthology is to see something new.

The Mandalorian Wars with a ten years younger Phantom Menace cast would be fascinating.

On fact you could have an entire season of the Mandalorian wars seeing what Dooku, Mace, Yoda, Qui-gon and Obi-Wan got up to during that conflict, a little precursor to what would happen in the the PT.

I would also like to see why Mace is SUCH a stick in the mud.

Ahsoka’s date with Kaeden Larte, second times the charm Dave

And perhaps something about Barriss Offee. Like how she escaped Order 66 and what she did in the time of Rebellion.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 9th 2023 at 3:09:42 AM

I wouldn't mind some Kanen Jarris content for when he was growing up hiding from the empire.

I'd like to see them move beyond the Clone Wars/early Empire time period. Show us some adventures during the High Republic or the Old Republic. Or move forward in time and show us Rey building up her Jedi Order.

Edited by Trooper924 on Apr 9th 2023 at 5:12:12 AM

Them branching out would surely be nice, hell with long lived Jedi they could easily have from High republic to prequels or even Imperial era.

I would love to see other era's, but I don't think Tales of the Jedi will be the place we see other eras first depicted.

I'm desperate to see something of Luke's Jedi order (and my head canon that after Kylo's defection he asked those jedi that survived to go into hiding as secret do gooders) but I don't see Disney entrusting such a major part of world building to the small anthology show.

I more expect Luke's Jedi order to get its own cartoon at somepoint, (it's certainly my biggest guess for what show might follow The Bad Batch) and the creators of such a project given a largely blank slate to decide what to do with that era.

Someone mentioned Ventress & Barriss as a pair this season a while back, and I still really love the idea.