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[[WMG: Bruz wasn't actually branded after his first fight with Talion]]
He realized what was happening as Talion and Celebrimbor tried to dominate him and it didn't work, but he played along as if it had because allying with the Bright Lord would serve his own interests. This is why his "submission" to Talion took the form of a much more casual conversation rather than a variation of "Yes, I will obey you unconditionally, Master" like with the unscripted conversion of other orcs and ologs, and why he "so easily" betrayed Talion in order to become Overlord of Nurnen himself.
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** ForWantOfANail because of the changes in this timeline, Shelob has discovered a "spark" of her inheritance via Ungoliant. It ''is'' Ungoliant's power awakened in Shelob.

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** ForWantOfANail for-want-of-a-nail because of the changes in this timeline, Shelob has discovered a "spark" of her inheritance via Ungoliant. It ''is'' Ungoliant's power awakened in Shelob.

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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Talion has a HeelRealization and rebels against Celebrimbor, who is the one that goes off in the deep end and literally becomes one with Sauron when they fuse together and become the Eye of Sauron. Incidentally, Talion becomes a Ringwraith instead]].

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* [[spoiler:Jossed.Jossed. Talion has a HeelRealization and rebels against Celebrimbor, who is the one that goes off in the deep end and literally becomes one with Sauron when they fuse together and become the Eye of Sauron. Incidentally, Talion becomes a Ringwraith instead]].
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* In the actual story, [[spoiler:Shelob kidnaps Celebrimbor shortly after the Ring's creation, requiring Talion to wear it in order to survive. She holds the Elf-lord hostage so Talion can hand over the Ring in return of him. Its not until the end of Act I that Shelob willingly returns the ring to them]].
* Confirmed. [[spoiler:Celebrimbor decides Eltariel is "trading up" and discards Talion like a wet sack of socks.]]

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* In the actual story, [[spoiler:Shelob Shelob kidnaps Celebrimbor shortly after the Ring's creation, requiring Talion to wear it in order to survive. She holds the Elf-lord hostage so Talion can hand over the Ring in return of him. Its not until the end of Act I that Shelob willingly returns the ring to them]].
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* Confirmed. [[spoiler:Celebrimbor Celebrimbor decides Eltariel is "trading up" and discards Talion like a wet sack of socks.]]
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* Jossed, [[spoiler:though Talion does rebel as long as he can as a Ringwraith.]]

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* Jossed, [[spoiler:though though Talion does rebel as long as he can as a Ringwraith.]]
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* [[spoiler:Surprisingly, he does come back though in his normal and friendly self. Turns out he was merely knocked out by the Hammer instead of killed off]].

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* [[spoiler:Surprisingly, Surprisingly, he does come back though in his normal and friendly self. Turns out he was merely knocked out by the Hammer instead of killed off]].
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* Half-confirmed[[spoiler: He holds on to his morals longer than Celebrimbor, even after he becomes a Ringwraith during the post-game Shadow Wars mode, where he dedicates himself to resist Sauron's counter-offensive to reclaim Mordor... Until he too succumbs and becomes one of Sauron's minions]].

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* Half-confirmed[[spoiler: Half-confirmed: He holds on to his morals longer than Celebrimbor, even after he becomes a Ringwraith during the post-game Shadow Wars mode, where he dedicates himself to resist Sauron's counter-offensive to reclaim Mordor... Until he too succumbs and becomes one of Sauron's minions]].minions.



* Jossed. [[spoiler: Celebrimbor abandons Talion and attempts to fight Sauron using Eltariel as a host. Sauron cuts the New Ring from their hand and consumes Celebrimbor, but Eltariel survives and takes the Ring with her. Talion takes Isildur's Ring and becomes a Nazgul (though he [[FightingFromTheInside resists Sauron as best as he can]] for many years), and is [[DistantFinale (eventually)]] freed to rejoin his family when the One Ring is destroyed]].

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* Jossed. [[spoiler: Celebrimbor abandons Talion and attempts to fight Sauron using Eltariel as a host. Sauron cuts the New Ring from their hand and consumes Celebrimbor, but Eltariel survives and takes the Ring with her. Talion takes Isildur's Ring and becomes a Nazgul (though he [[FightingFromTheInside resists Sauron as best as he can]] for many years), and is [[DistantFinale (eventually)]] freed to rejoin his family when the One Ring is destroyed]].
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* Jossed. [[spoiler: The GoldenEnding shows Talion joining the Nine and none of his armies play a significant role in the story. They do show Talion being killed when Gollum destroys the One Ring at the end of ''Return of the King'']].

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* Jossed. [[spoiler: The GoldenEnding shows Talion joining the Nine and none of his armies play a significant role in the story. They do show Talion being killed when Gollum destroys the One Ring at the end of ''Return of the King'']].King''.



* Partially Jossed. [[spoiler:Talion and Celebrimbor sever their alliance, but the two never fight each other. Talion does indeed need to muster his army to fight against Sauron, who has fused with Celebrimbor in the end]].

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* Partially Jossed. [[spoiler:Talion Talion and Celebrimbor sever their alliance, but the two never fight each other. Talion does indeed need to muster his army to fight against Sauron, who has fused with Celebrimbor in the end]].
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* Jossed in Shelob's final cinematic where it's very clear she's enraged beyond being able to keep her form together with Sauron. [[spoiler:Notably, it's different and more personal than the prior explanation (Shelob feeding orcs to her spawn) for why they were at odds.]]

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* Jossed in Shelob's final cinematic where it's very clear she's enraged beyond being able to keep her form together with Sauron. [[spoiler:Notably, Notably, it's different and more personal than the prior explanation (Shelob feeding orcs to her spawn) for why they were at odds.]]
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[[WMG: Mount Doom '''[[spoiler:IS ALIVE, AND HELPED CREATE MIDDLE EARTH!]]''' And then it goes ''nuclear'' and everyone dies.]]

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[[WMG: Mount Doom '''[[spoiler:IS '''IS ALIVE, AND HELPED CREATE MIDDLE EARTH!]]''' EARTH!''' And then it goes ''nuclear'' and everyone dies.]]



In the intro, [[spoiler: when Shelob exchanges the ring for Celebrimbor, she changes into her humanoid form, no doubt to "entice" Talion. However, Talion already turned down Lithariel with only minimal persuasion from Celebrimbor, plus it's clear from the opening cutscene that he still misses Ioreth. While Shelob might be better-looking than either of them, it's clear that Talion still has some degree of self-control. However, Shelob also has something to fall back on when her appearance fails: mind control, or some form of mental manipulation. If she's as powerful as the game portrays, it isn't too far of a stretch to imagine that she's capable of her own form of branding....]]
* Jossed. [[spoiler:Her motivation is vengeance against Sauron, and doesn't need to convince Talion of that.]]

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In the intro, [[spoiler: when Shelob exchanges the ring for Celebrimbor, she changes into her humanoid form, no doubt to "entice" Talion. However, Talion already turned down Lithariel with only minimal persuasion from Celebrimbor, plus it's clear from the opening cutscene that he still misses Ioreth. While Shelob might be better-looking than either of them, it's clear that Talion still has some degree of self-control. However, Shelob also has something to fall back on when her appearance fails: mind control, or some form of mental manipulation. If she's as powerful as the game portrays, it isn't too far of a stretch to imagine that she's capable of her own form of branding....]]
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* Jossed. [[spoiler:Her Her motivation is vengeance against Sauron, and doesn't need to convince Talion of that.]]
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Specifically its set after [[spoiler:the final boss and takes place simultaneously with Act IV. Her final fate will be explained and she will likely survive to let everyone know about Talion's sacrifice in holding back the forces of darkness for decades]].

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Specifically its set after [[spoiler:the the final boss and takes place simultaneously with Act IV. Her final fate will be explained and she will likely survive to let everyone know about Talion's sacrifice in holding back the forces of darkness for decades]].decades.



[[WMG: The original Nine Nazgul did not include [[spoiler: Isildur]]]]

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[[WMG: The original Nine Nazgul did not include [[spoiler: Isildur]]]]Isildur]]



From this game, we know it is possible for a Nazgul to be permanently killed, but it seems to require the killer possessing a Ring of Power of their own. [[spoiler: Isildur]], who held [[spoiler: the One Ring itself, the most powerful of the Twenty Great Rings and master of the Nine Rings of Men]], was probably more than capable of destroying Ringwraiths. At some point during [[spoiler: his reign as King of Gondor]], he may have run into one of the Nazgul [[spoiler: seeking its master's Ring]] and obliterated it, but neglected to (or perhaps couldn't) destroy the wraith's ring, which was probably recovered by one of its brethren. After his death... well, the Nine had a slot open for a newcomer, and Sauron is definitely the sort for IronicHell punishments, especially when it comes to [[spoiler: the man who humiliated him in his moment of triumph and paraded ''his'' Ring around as the ultimate war trophy]].

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From this game, we know it is possible for a Nazgul to be permanently killed, but it seems to require the killer possessing a Ring of Power of their own. [[spoiler: Isildur]], Isildur, who held [[spoiler: the One Ring itself, the most powerful of the Twenty Great Rings and master of the Nine Rings of Men]], Men, was probably more than capable of destroying Ringwraiths. At some point during [[spoiler: his reign as King of Gondor]], Gondor, he may have run into one of the Nazgul [[spoiler: seeking its master's Ring]] Ring and obliterated it, but neglected to (or perhaps couldn't) destroy the wraith's ring, which was probably recovered by one of its brethren. After his death... well, the Nine had a slot open for a newcomer, and Sauron is definitely the sort for IronicHell punishments, especially when it comes to [[spoiler: the man who humiliated him in his moment of triumph and paraded ''his'' Ring around as the ultimate war trophy]].
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[[WMG: Celebrimdor's motives for branding [[spoiler: Isildur]]]]
It was an experiment to gauge the full power of the New Ring. [[spoiler: It's well known that the Nine Rings of Men are the most strongly connected to the One Ring, as it controls those who possess them and binds them to the will of its own master, Sauron. Celebrimbor probably wanted to test if he could successfully dominate someone so deeply connected to Sauron. He may have even wanted to dominate ''all'' of the Nazgul before facing Sauron, using the psychological warfare of pitting the Dark Lord against his most treasured and loyal lieutenants. Seeing the Nazgul broken and stripped of the Great Rings that once bound them likely would've gone a long way towards dominating Sauron himself, since it would plant the seeds of fear and doubt into his mind, that maybe even he, one of the Maiar, might be vulnerable to this 'mere' High Elf spirit and his New Ring. One can't deny that having both the Dark Lord and all nine of his greatest champions at his disposal would've made Celebrimbor extremely powerful and dangerous.]]

[[WMG: In relation to the above; Permanently Dominating [[spoiler: Sauron is impossible]]]]
Celebrimbor is a powerful Elf spirit, but he's still just an Elvish Soul, while [[spoiler: Sauron is [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Maiar]]. The ending of their fight and Celebrimbor's attempt to brand him only to be caught off guard and maimed seems to solidify that.]] Although I can't explain what Shelob's vision may have meant since she saw the opposite.
* [[spoiler: Sauron may be Maiar, but he also [[WorfHadTheFlu poured most of his power into the One Ring,]] which is still missing as far as he knows. Dominating him in his weakened state isn't that far-fetched, any more than dominating Tar-Goroth would be. As for why it didn't work this time, my take on it is that the New Ring contains not only Celebrimbor's life force but some of Talion's, as well, so when one of them is out of the picture, it weakens the other. (Celebrimbor + Talion + New Ring) could dominate (Sauron - One Ring) permanently, but take Talion out of the equation and it's a toss-up. Celebrimbor may have needed Talion [[HoistByHisOwnPetard a lot more than his arrogance would let him admit.]]]]
** '''Confirmed''': [[spoiler:Shelob says that if Talion had stayed with Celebrimbor they would have branded him successfuly, and Sauron himself will say that "abandonning the Ranger was a mistake" during his BossFight]]

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[[WMG: Celebrimdor's motives for branding [[spoiler: Isildur]]]]
Isildur]]
It was an experiment to gauge the full power of the New Ring. [[spoiler: It's well known that the Nine Rings of Men are the most strongly connected to the One Ring, as it controls those who possess them and binds them to the will of its own master, Sauron. Celebrimbor probably wanted to test if he could successfully dominate someone so deeply connected to Sauron. He may have even wanted to dominate ''all'' of the Nazgul before facing Sauron, using the psychological warfare of pitting the Dark Lord against his most treasured and loyal lieutenants. Seeing the Nazgul broken and stripped of the Great Rings that once bound them likely would've gone a long way towards dominating Sauron himself, since it would plant the seeds of fear and doubt into his mind, that maybe even he, one of the Maiar, might be vulnerable to this 'mere' High Elf spirit and his New Ring. One can't deny that having both the Dark Lord and all nine of his greatest champions at his disposal would've made Celebrimbor extremely powerful and dangerous.]]

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[[WMG: In relation to the above; Permanently Dominating [[spoiler: Sauron is impossible]]]]
impossible]]
Celebrimbor is a powerful Elf spirit, but he's still just an Elvish Soul, while [[spoiler: Sauron is [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Maiar]]. The ending of their fight and Celebrimbor's attempt to brand him only to be caught off guard and maimed seems to solidify that.]] Although I can't explain what Shelob's vision may have meant since she saw the opposite.
* [[spoiler: Sauron may be Maiar, but he also [[WorfHadTheFlu poured most of his power into the One Ring,]] Ring, which is still missing as far as he knows.knows]]. Dominating him in his weakened state isn't that far-fetched, any more than dominating Tar-Goroth would be. As for why it didn't work this time, my take on it is that the New Ring contains not only Celebrimbor's life force but some of Talion's, as well, so when one of them is out of the picture, it weakens the other. (Celebrimbor + Talion + New Ring) could dominate (Sauron - One Ring) permanently, but take Talion out of the equation and it's a toss-up. Celebrimbor may have needed Talion [[HoistByHisOwnPetard a lot more than his arrogance would let him admit.]]]]
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** '''Confirmed''': [[spoiler:Shelob '''Confirmed:''' Shelob says that if Talion had stayed with Celebrimbor they would have branded him successfuly, and Sauron himself will say that "abandonning "abandoning the Ranger was a mistake" during his BossFight]]
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[[WMG: Eltariel will be a villain in the third game.]]
* The Dark Eltariel skin, which has Galadriel's "You will wear the New Ring. You will finish what you started." quote as its description, all but confirms Eltariel is being corrupted by the New Ring, just as Sauron's rings have corrupted men in the past. This will almost certainly lead to her becoming Celebrimbor's [[TheDragon Dragon.]]
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** Sounds good. How about ''"Middle-Earth: Shadow of the Ring"'' for the title?

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