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A (positive) Re-Read of Fallout Equestria and Side Stories.
Rainbowraptor
Seraphem
AnSTH
The early chapters were a bit gratuitous to me, but at least it shows you quickly "This is about as bad as it's going to get".
Sereg
gratuitous? If you mean the amount of gore and what not, yeah. i'll get into that next chapter i think, but overall I get the idea it was just to show you as bad as it would get, cause after she leaves ponyville the gore never gets as bad again.
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
yeah, and it's made pretty clear, she's next to useless in a fight without SATS, that drop kick only worked due to shear surprise.
Seraphem
Sereg
Rainbowraptor
What I said for the last chapter actually applies more here. But yes, I have to agree that killing the raider was the correct action. Fleeing or not. As you said, even if they are no longer a threat to you, they are stil one to everypony else.
Sereg
Pannic
(edited by: Pannic)
And I found nothing dull about it, it's all YMMV. Though if you were ONLY looking at the actions, then yeah i can see why it would be dull, the chapter was more about how lil'pip was responding to the actions.
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
Exactly, she will do what she feels has to be done, but she has lines that even then, she will not cross. And killing a completely helpless pony is one of them.
Seraphem
I must admit that Braeburn and Applejack being involved in industry confused me due to how different that is from how they are in the show, but oh well. The much higher tech-level is an important part of the setting.
Sereg
DeathCloud
I'm very much enjoying this liveblog, it's fun to see the same events written about from someone who likes the story and someone who doesn't. Keep it up!
Unknownlight
Seraphem: The events of the first half do come back to play a small but significant role, but not for nearly forty chapters. (Saying anything more would be spoilers.)
Kkatman
(edited by: Kkatman)
Hence why I said "don't seem to" was trying to avoid hinting at spoilers.
Seraphem
I LOVED how Calamity and Lil'pip met XD
Rainbowraptor
Hmmm think I might have made this one to long, would love to hear if i should trim these a bit more. And Thank you everyone for your support, glad you all are enjoying this and feel free to comment on anything you might want to. plan on not stopping as long as anyone is reading, though progress will be fairly slow until after the holidays, except on the few days off work I get. Thanks again.
Seraphem
Sereg
I agree, they are flaws of hers, but they never really get over played, their just minor things. lets face it EVERYONE has a few hypocritical "do is I say not as I do" moments now and then. And the sexism isn't really there much and it's not personal, it's societal. She doens't think mares should be in charge because they are mares and better then stallions (she didn't think twice about Railright being in charge of New Appleloosa.) But simply because Stables had always been ruled by mares.
Seraphem
Pannic
(edited by: Pannic)
Kkatman
Okay, fair enough.
Pannic
(edited by: Pannic)
Like I said in the review, it wasn't waht the change was, it was the fact that it was any change. She just didn't see how that could be seen as sexist till Calamity pointed it out.
Seraphem
I enjoyed this chapter a lot. World building and all that but I really like how Calamity and Lil'pip bonded. The bit about the jumping around bothered me but only because I'm listening to the audio version and, for some reason, there is no notice when there is a line break or even a chapter change.
Rainbowraptor
DeathCloud
Kkatman
Wow...I know the "the X of the Y" chapters were the most important ones, but really didn't see why this one till now, just reread D's lines and found it. DAMN, well played. Won't spoil it for anyone.
Seraphem
I really like Velvet as well. Of all the characters in the story, I only admire Fluttershy more.
Sereg
makes sense, given how Velvet consciously tries to be an Expy of Fluttershy. Though my fav is still Ditzy.
Seraphem
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Sereg
Ah, well, given that, still have to go with Ditsy, just the way, even after everything she's dealt with, she's still so bright, happy cheeful, and eager to help everypony.
Seraphem
DeathCloud
Seraphem
Sereg
I actually wanted to like this character. Somehow that didn't work.
Pannic
I'll get more into spells and what not later, and yes that's one of the controversies around Velvet I'll be giving my take on.
Seraphem
I'm not talking about Velvet's many spells, but Littlepip's lack of them.
Sereg
I know, but figured address them both at the same time.
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
There are a number of adjectives I could use to describe Littlepip. Adorable is not one of them. Then again, a lot of people seem to ascribe adjectives to her that I find unfitting.
Pannic
Seraphem
DeathCloud
Littlepip's skils and early selection of perks led me to blieve that she was going to be the rogue of the group, which I think would have been cool.
Sereg
For the most part it seems the perks tried to be tied into something that happened in the chapter, give an in story reason for her to have them other then just game perks. Which I found kind of cool
Seraphem
Oh, I appreciated that. Makes them make sense in story.
Sereg
Rainbowraptor
As you sai, very powerful chapter.
Sereg
Rainbowraptor
which part did you think was foreshadowing? And yes her nearly being willing to steal from Silver is our first real hint at just how bad her addiction is.
Seraphem
The bit about Dash and...you know.
Rainbowraptor
Might be a bit till the next one, last day off for awhile.
Seraphem
The balefire bomb that hadn't gone off is a reference to a similar unexploded nuke in Fallout 3.
AceOfScarabs
Seraphem
Unknownlight
Not really, just a general shift in the way things went, or more liekly it was just a fluke and Raiders being Raiders got trigger happy.
Seraphem
Unknownlight
Yeah, it does. but could have been a coincidence. We really don't know what happened on the bridge to start the fight.
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
Yeah. Agreed on DT.
Sereg
Kkatman
Rainbowraptor
Yeah i get where and why. And it was well written just, could have done without. And no wouldn't do to use an OC. One of the really great things about FOE is that it is two separate but connected stories, the past and the Present. the past is the Canon characters story, there is only one OC that makes any sort of major appearance, and he's mostly there as an observer most of the time. And only in a very small fraction of the Memory Orbs
Seraphem
DeathCloud
Not only does this chapter have a damned dragon (!) but it introduces more gray! Not all raiders are bad.
Rainbowraptor
DeathCloud
As you said, some stuff which becomes really import in here. I liked the way that it was presented.
Sereg
Fluttershy! My favorite pony! Oh, don't tell me the orb wasn't a good thing! >.< Now I'm nervous!
Rainbowraptor
I will only say this. Fluttershy had the absolute BEST of intentions.
Seraphem
Amazing. You seen to be writing these things faster than people are able to comment on them. XD
Unknownlight
Well, they'll still be here when people get around to reading them.
Seraphem
Sereg
Rainbowraptor
Seraphem
DeathCloud
I saw some people who thought that Watcher was somepony else.
Sereg
Unknownlight
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
Well that was the fever and delusions taking over, like i said she WAS not anywhere NEAR to thinking straight at the time.
Seraphem
Kkatman
Seraphem
(hate the edit comments function here) also, Rainbow, if you have issues with pony sexuality...oh, ohohohohohoho. Planning on reading 20.5?
Seraphem
@Seraphem: Probably not.
Rainbowraptor
DeathCloud
I think that scene works because it barely focuses on what she is doing at all, just enough to let us know what she's doing, but no details, instead it's focusing on the WHY, on her thoughts, feelings, all that.
Seraphem
I agree completely with Calamity here.
Sereg
(edited by: Sereg)
Yeah, I agree with you about Tenpony Tower and Calamity.
Rainbowraptor
I agree with Calamity too. Its not even issue of punishing evil pony but its about stopping that pony from doing more harm.
DeathCloud
I actually really sympathise with Montery Jack. I "get" him.
Sereg
Yeah, it's easy to do so, he doesn't come off as evil or bad really. A bit callous, but he simply illustrates what having a virtue but no friends can cause. And how rigidly holding onto something, anything without any bending isn't good. Really, Almost all the "corrupted virtues" have a real element of relateable tragedy to them
Seraphem
Kkatman
oh oops, my bad
Seraphem
DeathCloud
Sereg
Seraphem
Sereg
Some yes, doesn't mean they ALL are. And homage has had weeks of watching Li'lpip to get to know her, to develop an attraction. And li'lpip, like I said she's just plain desperate.
Seraphem
Still some foreshdowing here.
Sereg
I don't think there is a single chapter save the last 2 or 3 that doesn't have some foreshadowing in it.
Seraphem
Yeah. I really liked this chapter.
Sereg
Akamia
Sereg
Seraphem
Kkatman
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Kkatman
DeathCloud
The Gardens of Equestria are probably my favourite part of the story as well.
Sereg
For what it's worth, it was very common for helmets worn by knights to have a visor which could be lifted. That design element isn't so unusual. ^.^
Kkatman
Personally, I never really had an issue, though there were some that did, so.... Anyway, yeah that actually, does kind of make sense and work. RD looked up some older designs for armor from back before Equestria was founded and the tribes were much more hostile. And simply copied the idea, because she thought it was cool, not seeing all the possible down sides, or the reason the armor had it in the first place, and why her's really didn't need it, like the Steel Ranger armor. Simply saying, that's kind of cool, lets do that.
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
I'm not big fan of stuff to much related with show. But I still like (or even) how Spike turned out and those Gardens. Must be fact that dislike mostly past war time not present. It give goal to Lilpip and way to fix Wasteland for good, thing what we can't hope for original games. Hope, that thing what love too, for all grimdark (yes I will call this in that way) hope make story worth it.
DeathCloud
Except for the fact that the very presence of hope means it cannot, by definition, be grimdark. Since the entire point of "grimdark" is the utter and total absence of hope.
Seraphem
I mstly agree with you on cutie marks. Red Eye's rejection of his is part of his delusion. I also think that talents can be a broad as the pony wants. As such, I see nothing wrong with Velvet having a single talent which involves both music and medicine.
Sereg
Yeah, nothing says a pony can't have a natural affinity for more then one thing, the Cutie mark is simply what they are BEST at, what most gives them joy to do, the best metaphor for who THEY are, what makes them unique.
Seraphem
DeathCloud
DeathCloud
Seraphem
Kkatman
Sereg
Seraphem
Yeah, they SHOULD be better. But raiders ACTUALLY ARE worse. And that's more important IMO.
Sereg
Seraphem
Rapists and sadists are far worse than theives IMO. At least I can understand wanting something. Sadism has no logic "justifying" it.
Sereg
The reason they are worse is they try to justify their actions and claim what they are doing are right. They do not even see what they are doing as being anything but pure and perfectly good. Raiders know what they do is wrong, they just don't care. I just really really hate people like the Steel Rangers
Seraphem
Sereg
I agree with you Seraphem, Little Pip going undercover scared the crap outta me. There was so much tension while listening. I think it's the very thought of being so helpless. As bad as it was though, things went better than expected.
Rainbowraptor
Rainbowraptor
I really don't understand why people fault the zebras for believing that. It makes perfect sense.
Sereg
Failure to put information in context of what the characters know versus what the audience knows and to account for cultural mindset differences
Seraphem
KuroiTsubasaTenshi
Seraphem
KuroiTsubasaTenshi
Seraphem
Just to be clear, I do agree that this act by the rangers was reprehensible and I also agee with Calamity. I usually agree with him.
Sereg
There are three chapters in the story which I consider to be really dark. This is the first one. (The other two are "Edge of Night" and "This Coming Storm".)
Kkatman
I mentioned many times I don't like BOS and Steel Rangers in role of villains and wasn't that happy with thing what they did here (what was more close to game Enclave actions). But Steel Hooves and those forming AJ Rangers fixed that problem. They are closer to my favorite BOS factions - Capitol and Midwest.
DeathCloud
Side note: the scene with Homage and Littlepip getting drunk also includes the first glimpse of a danger that becomes significant later.
Kkatman
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
Sereg
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Seraphem
Kkatman
Seraphem
(edited by: Seraphem)
Sereg
DeathCloud
Rainbowraptor
This chapter includes one of my favorite Chekhov's Guns.
Kkatman
Kkatman
Good point. I agree.
Sereg
Seraphem
Kkatman
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Seraphem
Sereg
Seraphem
Seraphem
It wasn't clear to me. Ad yeah, none of that is anywhere near bad enough to deserve death. The only thing arguable is killing for food. Which is already a far better reason than most.
Sereg
Kkatman
(edited by: Kkatman)
Which is amusing as we have canabils here in Africa. In fact, I've heard of places which use the tortured screaming of their victims as advertisement of their products.
Sereg
And Like I said, if they were simply eating ponies that died. I could understand it. The instant they started killing other ponies just to eat them, they crossed the line into evil. They fed a kid his own father! That's Eric Cartman levels of fucked up. Literally. There's a reason that episode is considered his MEH crossing.
Seraphem
Sereg
Seraphem
Yeah. I completely missed all that. That is very bad, but still not the most evil group in the fic. That said, if that was made clearer to me, I wouldn't really have felt much distaste.
Sereg
Maybe ponies had their own balefire bombs? If thats only source of radiation.
DeathCloud
No, per Kkat, ponies did not have Balefire bombs. The only Balefire found in Equestria was...okay IDEA. They are the waste from a Balefire disposal facility. Where they safely destroyed any captured Balefire weapons.
Seraphem
except lets not forget the radigator factory they didnt need to murder ponies for food since they had a perfectly good food source near by and if they still eat the dead well aslong as their motive for killing the pony is not for food then i have no problem with it
darkdigi
Sereg
Cannibals. That in and of itself is enough reason. But add in, feeding unwitting ponies meat from, well ponies. Then joking about it. Yes I get you don't see the issue, but for plenty of other people, that's more then enough reason. Like I said, pretty much the single biggest YMMV section in the story.
Seraphem
(edited by: Seraphem)
If it was only for the cannibal fact, Littlepip wouldn't have react like this: it was pratically the fact that she was used by them, to do their dirty deeds without knowing it, that really pissed her off.
kimba90
AND the fact that they fed her meat from a pony she already felt guilty about killing. This was just shear rage at finding out all this stuff like this. This wasn't a rationale act this was all those little bits coming together and exploding all at once, with no time for her to calm down before acting.
Seraphem
Honestly, not the first time she acted this way, and not the last either, but this is probably the only time she felt like digging a tomb for herself (though killing the Goddess with a balefire bomb and accidentally causing the death of many mutated Diamond Dogs (also, Steelhooves ;__;) might count as well).
kimba90
Seraphem
kimba90
So many spoilers. I hope people aren't reading these comments along with their first reading of the story.
Kkatman
Seraphem
@Seraph: The ting is, my reaction was, "She's killing them just because they're cannibals!? And acting so angry about it!? Serously!? Littlepip, I'm very disapointed."
Sereg
Cannibals, who had fed her pony meat, of a pony she had killed. And also fed to his son. AND The evidence of them killing ponies from the preachers skull mounted on the wall. Then who she had exterminated more or less innocent young ponies just trying to do their job and obey orders to help, nearly killing Velvet in the process. All while they were lying to her about that.
Seraphem
Yeah, giving credits to Seraphem, it was more than one thing that made her go total berserk, not just them being cannibals.
kimba90
As mentioned before, there are three chapters in the story which I consider to be exceptionally dark. This is the second one. (The other two are "Hour of the Wolf" and "This Coming Storm".)
Kkatman
DeathCloud
Rainbowraptor
DeathCloud
Kkatman
As I've said before, the zebras were perfectly right bsed oh the evidence they had available.
Sereg
Kkatman
Seraphem
Rainbowraptor
Seraphem
Kkatman
Yeah, this really does confirm that Fluttershy stayed in character.
Sereg
Rainbowraptor
Not a shield, just a window.
Kkatman
Sorry, I knew that but somehow forgot it XP
Rainbowraptor
Sereg
(edited by: Sereg)
Yeah, some really good stuff with this chapter. Dream sequence was great as you said. Especially for what it sets up.
Sereg
Kkatman
Sereg
Well, I don't hate her or anything. I still like her, just, less then any other pony in the group. And yeah Steelhooves death was well done, not saying it wasn't. Just that I'm sad it happened at all.
Seraphem
When writing this chapter, the last in the trio of extremely dark ones, I felt that it really needed Ditzy Doo's level of involvement to bring a light into the darkness.
Kkatman
DeathCloud
DeathCloud
Kkatman
Seraphem
Sereg
Seraphem
(edited by: Seraphem)
That Hellhound mind control thing is proof that Enclave is more that just bullies with adavanted tech and weapons.
DeathCloud
Kkatman
DeathCloud
Sereg
Seraphem
Sereg
I don't know, and that's my whole issue. I both like, and dislike the idea at the same time. Maybe if it was the same idea, but different execution or something. That's what makes it so frustrating, it feels off to me, but I can't figure out why.
Seraphem
I agree those two chapters are good ending for story. However I still witch it had F1,F2 and NV style of ending.
DeathCloud
Sereg
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Seraphem
Well, CRISIS Equestri isn't actually completed yet and Harmony Theory updates reasonably frequently, so I doubt it'd be a problem.
Sereg
Yeah forgot about that, since it's been so long since the damn thing updated.
Seraphem
Unknownlight
DeathCloud
Rainbowraptor
Sereg
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And there are still worse ponies than the Brotherhood of Steel in the fic. Raiders, for a start. Anyway, I'm still reading nd enjoying.Important Links