Line #45 YMMV/Soul


1	%% The quote from Screen Rant Pitch Meetings ("It's important for kids to understand that their loved ones that died first of all didn't try hard enough to come back and also weren't inspiring enough") is Warp That Aesop, not a legitimate lesson that most people could take away from the movie.
2	%% Do not put it under Alternate Aesop Interpretation.
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4	* AccidentalAesop: Watch where you're going, or you're likely to get hurt. You could fall into a manhole and go into a coma as a result of the fall. This especially applies in a busy city like New York, where Joe's ditziness in real life would have caused him to get [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking maimed, killed, or yelled at]] in a matter of minutes.
5	* AlternateAesopInterpretation:
6	** Courtesy of [[spoiler:22's stint as a Lost Soul]]: Words hurt, and their effect can linger far longer than the emotions that prompted those words. So be careful what you say in the heat of the moment; you might cut deeper and leave longer-lasting impressions than you intended.
7	** [[spoiler:If you're trying to learn something, really trying, but for some reason you just ''don't get it'', a hands-on learning experience might be a better approach for you.]]
8	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
9	** The Jerrys in general. Did they just go with the flow about Joe not being ready to die and accidentally mistook him for a child psychologist, or [[spoiler:was the whole setup a SecretTestOfCharacter and XanatosGambit for Joe not only helping 22 find her spark but also teach himself to live]]? After all, the first Jerry recognized Joe and kindly gave him a tour of the Great Before, not showing anger when he runs off in an attempt to jump back to Earth. He succeeded, helping a soul that has been around since virtually the beginning of time and [[spoiler:resolving to live rather than survive]]. There is the fact that [[spoiler:if Joe had failed to help 22 find her Spark, he would have either moved on to the Great Beyond or become a Lost Soul , and the Jerrys would have chosen someone else to be her mentor. The hint toward the latter is that the Jerry who allows Joe to go back to life -- and gives him a choice, telling him he can move onto the afterlife if he wishes -- warns him to watch where he's going on Earth, because not many people get second chances]].
10	** Is Terry a ControlFreak who took retrieving Joe way too far or is she only preventing a soul that needs to go to the Great Beyond from getting away because it could lead to far too many eventually avoiding that fate when they’re in line to do so? Is she going MamaBear when realizing that Joe made a deal with 22 and caused her to be on Earth before she was ready, given she was apologetic to 22 when [[spoiler:recapturing them]]?
11	** Joe may like teaching more than he initially admits. After all, he worked part-time for ''years'' with the school director giving him a SmileOfApproval when offering full-time work. The opening scene shows that he hasn't phoned it in while telling the kids [[PapaWolf to not laugh at Connie for improvising]]. It could be that he's really good at it, which is the additional reason why his mother wants him to stick with the job. Jazz teaching may not save the world, but it changed Connie's life at least.
12	* AluminumChristmasTrees: Some may find the notion of Confederate ambassadors in Great Britain far-fetched, but in reality the Confederacy did make attempts to court the British as allies.
13	* AwardSnub:
14	** In addition to losing out on an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Screenplay, it wasn’t nominated for Best Picture when it was widely deemed as one of the absolute best films of 2020 and the overall field was considered weaker than past years due to several films being pushed back to 2021 thanks to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic.
15	** While deservedly winning both Best Animated Feature and Best Original Score, it’s left up to debate as to whether or not ''Film/SoundOfMetal'' deserved the win for Best Sound over it, as both wowed in that category for different reasons.
16	* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt:
17	** And how! The environment of the living world is so well animated, it looks almost photorealistic.
18	** The Jerrys ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Terry]]) are traditionally animated, and they blend in flawlessly.
19	* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic:
20	** Music/{{AJR}}'s "Overture" playing in the teaser trailer, specifically the piano portion which really helps establish the premise of the movie.
21	** Joe's piano flourish that he plays in front of Dorothea Williams is stunning, lively, and beautiful.
22	** A lot of the score by [[Music/NineInchNails Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross]] counts as this, but the standout has to be "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNXY1av-NUE Epiphany]]", which plays when [[spoiler:Joe realizes he needs to make amends with 22 and allow them to live on Earth.]]
23	* BrokenBase:
24	** Is the art style of the souls a good one? Half of the film's fans like the simplistic look, and think it makes sense: souls are in the Great Before to find out who they are, so they wouldn't have any features yet. The other half think it's an unimaginative look, especially alongside the very creative landscapes.
25	** Viewers are harshly divided on whether [[spoiler:Joe should have died at the end or not.]] Both sides argue over which outcome would better fit the theme of the film. Joe's time in the Great Before makes him realize that even if his life didn't turn out the way he wanted, it's still a good life--and he [[spoiler:returns to it with a newfound appreciation.]] The half of the fanbase that would have preferred that [[spoiler:Joe died]] argue that it would have made the same point (that Joe's life was a good one) without cheapening his sacrifice for 22. The fact that Joe [[spoiler:''was'' going to die before he was offered a second chance]] really fuels this debate, with many accusations that it was a last-second AssPull.
26	* CommonKnowledge: Some believe that this is the first Pixar film without a cameo from Creator/JohnRatzenberger. While technically not actually ''in'' the film, [[https://www.laughingplace.com/w/news/2021/01/01/john-ratzenberger-pixar-soul-cameo a caricature of him appears]]. Whether that counts as a broken streak or not is up to personal taste.
27	* CrossesTheLineTwice:
28	** When he first lands in the Great Before, Joe worries he's in Hell, which he quickly [[CensorshipBySpelling censors]] to "H-E-double-hockey-sticks" for the benefit of the innocent new souls around him. They immediately ask, "Hell? Hell?" and ''continue chanting it for the rest of the scene''.
29	** A cute little soul happily declaring itself "a manipulative megalomaniac who's intensely opportunistic", and the Jerries sending it off to Earth without a care, since it will no longer be their problem.
30	** 22 and Joe wonder what happened to the cat's soul when Joe ended up in his body. GilliganCut to the cat's soul entering the Great Beyond, with a confused "Meow?" Cut back to 22 and Joe, who have moved on and never bring it up again. [[spoiler:Don't worry, the cat is fine. He has nine lives, after all!]]
31	* EnsembleDarkHorse:
32	** Connie, the trombone-playing student in Joe's class quickly became quite popular, as well as Terry.
33	** Dez, Joe's barber, is a fan-favorite character despite his brief screentime, due to his surprisingly complex and deep characterization. Many cite his conversation with Joe in the barbershop as one of the most poignantly thematic moments in both the film and Pixar in general.
34	* EpilepticTrees:
35	** There are quite a few theories that 22 becomes some other Pixar character, the most popular guesses being [[WesternAnimation/MonstersInc1 Boo]] (who is already considered to be the Witch from ''WesternAnimation/{{Brave}}'' according to Fanfic/ThePixarTheory) [[WesternAnimation/InsideOut Riley]] and [[WesternAnimation/TurningRed Mei]]. Due to 22's explanation of [[NoBiologicalSex not having a biological sex]], theorizers also postulated that rather than being born a girl, 22 could've became [[WesternAnimation/{{Up}} Russell]], [[Franchise/TheIncredibles Dash]], or [[WesternAnimation/{{Coco}} Miguel]].
36	** To a lesser degree, there is some discussion on who the soul that claimed to be a manipulative, megalomaniac would become. Some cite [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles1 Syndrome]] or [[WesternAnimation/Incredibles2 Evelyn Deavor]] as the likeliest candidates.
37	* EsotericHappyEnding: PlayedForLaughs with the Hedge Fund Trader. The Mystics Without Borders help a lost soul find his purpose and return to Earth. Cut to the soul reentering his body, having a mid-life crisis realization at his job, and completely trashing his and his coworkers' workstations while screaming like a crazy person. Hopefully he didn't have ''too'' much trouble finding a new job...
38	* FanficFuel:
39	** 22's collection of name tags shows a ton more historical figures who tried to mentor her. Have fun imagining how they all went.
40	** At the end of the film, [[spoiler:22 is going to be born as a human. What will she be like? What will she do? Will she still be a 'she', even?]]
41	** Whatever happened to the offhandedly-mentioned 37, that a soul with this low a number (not too different from 22) is also still an unborn soul?
42	** Where do the new souls in the You Seminar/Great Before come from? Moreover, how do they arrive there?
43	** What if the Great Beyond ran out of room for more souls?
44	%%* {{Fanon}}: It's generally accepted that the You Seminar is the equivalent to [[WesternAnimation/{{Coco}} the Land Of The Dead]] to people who don't celebrate Dia De Los Muertos.
45	* FriendlyFandoms:
46	** Not surprisingly, the film was very warmly received by fans of ''WesternAnimation/InsideOut'', Creator/PeteDocter's previous Pixar classic which also featured psychological and philosophical concepts and largely took place in a metaphysical setting, with plenty of ideas for a {{crossover}} quickly popping up after this film's release[[note]]And if you want to be extra meta, doing so would [[IWantYouToMeetAnOldFriendOfMine reunite]] the beloved ''[[Series/SaturdayNightLive Weekend Update]]'' duo of Tina Fey (22) and Amy Pohler (Joy)[[/note]]. In fact, had it not been for its ReleaseDateChange, ''Soul'' would have also debuted exactly five years to the day after ''Inside Out''.
47	** With ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}'' as well, since both were also made by Pixar too and feature the idea of the Afterlife, with passions -- specifically for music -- and legacies being heavy themes in both. It's a general headcanon that the [[SpiritWorld Land of the Dead]] and the [[EldritchLocation Great Before]] are equivalents. Not to mention both films being specific to a nonwhite culture (the former for Mexicans and the latter for African-Americans).
48	** To a much lesser extent, the ''Soul'' fandom also goes along with the ''Franchise/{{Trolls}}'' franchise (though there aren't many crossovers made between them), mainly due to the latter's [[WesternAnimation/TrollsWorldTour second installment]], which like ''Soul'' had to be released on VOD due to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, has a focus on music (though it was the principal one in the case of ''Trolls World Tour'') and features a minority of metaphysical elements, in that case with the heart.
49	* GeniusBonus:
50	** The title refers to both [[OurSoulsAreDifferent the Soul as a construct of human existence]] and to [[{{Soul}} Soul music]]. Soul music is deeply ingrained into Afro-American culture, so it makes sense for the main character to be African-American.
51	** Andrew Jackson was a slave-holding political figure from the opposing party of Lincoln's previous generation, and Jackson wasn't featured on the $20 bill (or any money) until after Lincoln's death, so Abe's infuriated reaction makes complete sense.
52	* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: China, one of the few areas to receive ''Soul'' theatrically, had the film perform surprisingly well for Creator/{{Pixar}}, since their films typically flop in the country. At $57 million, it not only outstripped ''WesternAnimation/Incredibles2'' to be China's second-highest-grossing Pixar film (behind ''WesternAnimation/{{Coco}}''), but it also significantly outperformed the China-tailored ''Film/{{Mulan\|2020}}''.
53	* HarsherInHindsight: The fact that 22 had hundreds of famous mentors who ended up frustrated and annoyed by her is something of a RunningGag near the beginning. [[spoiler:It's much less funny after she becomes a lost soul, and we find out that despite her [[StepfordSnarker snarky demeanor]] she took their rejection ''badly'', and always thought there was something wrong about her because of that.]]
54	* HilariousInHindsight:
55	** The film has a joke where it's revealed the reason for the poor performance of the New York Knicks over the past decade is that the team is one of 22's frequent targets for knocking people out of their "zones". Following the film's release, the Knicks would proceed to experience their best season in a decade under new head coach Tom Thibodeau and a strong core of young players, making it to the playoffs for the first time since 2013.[[note]]Admittedly, they ''lost'' the first round of playoffs, but still.[[/note]]
56	** In one scene, 22 irritates Abraham Lincoln by stating that, while he's on the penny, Andrew Jackson's on the $20 bill. A month after the film's release, president UsefulNotes/JoeBiden announced plans to replace Andrew Jackson with Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill.[[note]]There was an effort a few years earlier to have her replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill, until the [[Theatre/{{Hamilton}} eponymous musical]] vastly increased his popularity and turned public sentiment against the idea.[[/note]] Looks like Lincoln ended up getting the last laugh!
57	* JerkassWoobie: 22 is a cynical, snarky and mischievous LongLived newborn soul, who makes no effort to hide her unwillingness to be born, as the Jerrys and her past soul mentors can attest it. But, [[JerkassHasAPoint as she points out multiple times, there is an huge difference between "simulating your hypothetical life" and "actually experiencing it directly" (such as feeling tastes, smells, listening your favorite music, etc.)]]. Furthermore, [[spoiler:when she becomes a Lost Soul, we find out that, while she doesn't show it, she does take everyone's criticisms at the heart, to the point of even questioning herself if she has something inherently wrong or if she's unworthy to have a chance to live her own life]].
58	* MemeticMutation:
59	** "Don't waste your time on the junk of life."[[note]]A line said in the teaser, it inspired many jokes [[ComicallyMissingThePoint about people making reckless decisions]], much like the guy throwing his working computers on the ground.[[/note]]
60	** "Even in a Pixar movie, the BlackDudeDiesFirst."[[note]]Making fun of the fact that Joe falling into a manhole is one of the first things shown in the teaser.[[/note]]
61	** "What if Black people had feelings?"[[note]]A long-running joke about Pixar is that their pitch for every film is "What if X had feelings?", with the joke previously reaching its climax with [[WesternAnimation/InsideOut "What if feelings had feelings?"]]. When this film was announced, the joke was revived with the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that this particular question is what led to Pixar creating their first Black lead.[[/note]]
62	** "Quiet coyote."[[note]]When Joe gets dogpiled by a bunch of new souls in The Great Before, Jerry calls them off by doing the "quiet coyote" gesture, a popular technique among those who work with large groups of children in which you make your hand look like a coyote's (by putting the tips of your middle two fingers to your thumb) to get their attention and quiet them down. While the movie didn't invent this technique, it seems to be on its way to popularizing it, if not just making it funny thanks to Alice Braga channeling every impatient parent and schoolteacher in her hilarious reading of the line.[[/note]]
63	** "IT'S TERRY TIME."[[note]]Terry's CharacterCatchphrase.[[/note]]
64	** Parodies of the film's logo have been made with other series on Twitter, usually with works that have "soul" in the title (like ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'').
65	** Terry looking through files has become a popular image to post in reaction to people trying to find hard-to-find things.
66	** Latin American users on social media like to juxtapose this film with the ''{{Franchise/Saw}}'' franchise for its perceived similar aesop. "Appreciate your life the easy way (Soul) or the hard way (Saw)".
67	%%** Comparisons to ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' have been made due to the overall plot of someone falling into another world and ''Undertale'''s SOUL mechanic.
68	* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Joe, a middle school band teacher, [[spoiler:manages to do what none of the greatest and most accomplished figures in human history could do: make 22 love life and allow her to complete her Earth Pass.]]
69	* NightmareFuel: The Lost Souls. They are souls who enter "The Zone" when they become fixated on an obsession, turn into black hulking creatures with glowing green eyes and utter a MadnessMantra while they work through their obsession. [[spoiler:This fate befalls 22 after her visit to Earth when she enters "The Zone", mumbling, "No purpose. No purpose." We even get to see what happens inside her Lost Soul form, and it's not pretty. She's basically trapped in a dark PocketDimension in a constant self-inflicted MindRape, as she repeats, through giant shadowy version of her past mentors (now including Joe), every bad things they said to her as they give up on her. For those who suffer from low self-esteem and anxiety issues, it can be a soul-crushing experience]].
70	* ParanoiaFuel: Related to the above, YOU, reading this, could be a Lost Soul yourself, so obsessed with your passion that it blinds you to everything else in your life. Your work? Your hobby? Your phone? [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife This very site]]? If you've ever obsessed over something without realizing it, your soul could end up in the black desert.
71	* QuestionableCasting: While Creator/TinaFey's performance as 22 was well-received, many people questioned her being cast as a character that spends a significant chunk of the film in the body of a Black man, given her controversial history of using racial humor [[note]]most infamously, writing episodes of ''Series/ThirtyRock'' in which characters don {{blackface}}[[/note]].
72	* SpiritualSuccessor: Not counting the wacky spirit hijinx, ''Soul'' has some strong parallels to ''Film/MrHollandsOpus''. A guy takes a job as a music teacher to pay the bills while pursuing his dream, completely oblivious until the end that life was passing him by and that the real measure of his life was not in achieving his goal, but in the impact he had as a friend and mentor to his students along the way.
73	* SpoiledByTheFormat: The protagonist lands his dream job, dies accidentally and finds himself on a conveyor belt heading to the afterlife, all within the first ten minutes. Considering there is still over an hour left in the movie, it'd be practically impossible for anyone to assume the movie was about to end so suddenly.
74	* TaintedByThePreview:
75	** The first two trailers caused a bit of controversy with the indication that it would be one of (surprisingly) many animated features with a perceived "separate but equal" plot of having its BIPOC main human character spend a majority of the film as an animal or otherwise nonhuman being (other examples being ''WesternAnimation/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', ''WesternAnimation/BrotherBear'' and ''WesternAnimation/SpiesInDisguise''[[note]]Developed by Blue Sky Studios, Disney had zero creative input during its development, but the point still stands[[/note]]). The movie proper zig-zags this a little bit: Joe's consciousness isn't in his own body for a majority of the film, but the cat that it ''is'' in is on screen in virtually every scene with his body when it's occupied by 22. Nevertheless, all future advertisements either played up the scenes of Joe as a human or downplayed any indication that his body and soul weren't one and the same for most of the time they're on screen.
76	** The full trailer was also criticized for spoiling that [[spoiler:Joe isn't actually dead]]. That being said, this specific moment only happens at the end of the first act, so it's not much of a spoiler.
77	* UnintentionalUncannyValley: Joe Gardner's human face is [[https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/191108190511-03-pixars-soul-copy-large-169.jpg very elongated, with a large bulbous nose]]. The level of realism in the character's design can make this look quite unnatural.
78	* ViewerGenderConfusion:
79	** Even though 22's voiced by [[Creator/TinaFey a woman]], her voice sounds... ambiguous, to say the least. Since 22 is a soul that does not yet have a human body, it probably doesn't matter anyway. In the film itself, Joe even wonders why 22 sounds like "a middle-aged white lady", to which 22 explains that she could sound like whatever she wants, and she just chooses that particular voice [[TheGadfly because it's the most annoying]] ([[SelfDeprecation this is, of course,]] Creator/TinaFey [[SelfDeprecation saying this]]). Officially, 22 is referred to with female pronouns.
80	** Terry, also voiced by [[Creator/RachelHouse a woman]] and wearing her hair in a bun, has a rather startling amount of viewers confidently referring to her as a man. Like the unborn souls, Terry and the Jerrys are hypothetical abstractions of people, but also seem to officially conform to the gender binary.
81	* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: A rather unusual example in that it's less about objectionable content and more due to being far more introspective and existential than other Pixar films. Due to this, the movie's themes tend to leave kids asking a lot of questions while resonating with older members of the audience. In fact, several reviews recommend ''not letting children under 8 watch the movie'' due to it being far too confusing for them.

Context YMMV / Soul