Line #13 YMMV/RavagesOfTime


1	* {{Anvilicious}}: Yuan Shu's advisor. A caricature of the typical old-fashioned learned man in this era: misogynistic and of the opinion that women should StayInTheKitchen, loyal to his master and prioritizes the master's interests well over his own, and [[spoiler:can die very young without making a name for himself.]]
2	* BadassDecay: [[spoiler: Crippled Legions are considerably less badass as a team after Liaoyuan Huo left, and are reduced to a legion of mere {{Mook}} after the Sima clan extermination.]]
3	** The {{Mook}} part is somewhat justified, [[spoiler:since its best fighters are either dead or permanently put out of action.]]
4	** Compared to the book and history, several characters get this treatment, mostly the tacticians that work on the same side as the Genius(obviously to show of the skill of the Geniuses). Cheng Yu, one of Cao Cao's most brutally effective tacticians literally fall to his knees to worship [[spoiler: Sima Yi pretending to be a God.]]. Cheng Yu were more accomplished than any of the militarily inclined Geniuses.
5	*** Xun You as well, just like in the Romance. Historically, as the Master of the Army and Cao Cao's chief military adviser, he was behind the victories over Lu Bu and Yuan Shao. Yet his role is given to Guo Jia.
6	*** Cao Cao himself falls under this same problem, due to Guo Jia and Jia Xu stealing his feats. Guo Jia gave very few plans during his work for Cao, while Jia Xu's entire military achievement list under Cao was causing a dispute between the Xi Liang warlords.
7	*** Note that while Ravages of Time's notably mixed with some realistic touches of various canon historical texts, it's still is an adaption of Luo Guanzhong's ''Romance of the Three Kingdoms'', a ''romanticized'' version of canon history which loves to exaggerate the "wisemen"'s intellectual feats and put down the warlords's. The BadassDecay with Cao Cao or Cheng Yu is just this series staying true to the source material.
8	*** It should be noted that Cao Cao badass decay wasn't come from his adviser only. It also come from the fact that Chen Mou cut most(if not all) of his EstablishingCharacterMoment (his first meeting with Guan Yu for example)and often thrash him and his army to make others look good, especially his battle with Sun Ce and his humiliation from Emperor Xian OF ALL PEOPLE!!!
9	*** Sure it's some lamentable BadassDecay for him... if you don't count the fact that whoever humiliates him ends up getting pulled off of their mighty horse, and Cao Cao ''will'' get the last laugh no matter what... right down to [[spoiler:Cao Cao telling Sima Yi to his face that he knew all along about ''the'' plot, and that he's ''letting'' Sima Yi have revenge]][[note]]Only one of Cao Cao's sons can be his heir, so Sima Yi is to back one at the other's expense[[/note]].
10	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Regarding the protagonist Sima Yi, fandom opinions are divided: they either love him for being such an awesome MagnificentBastard of a [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]], or finds it absolutely annoying that he plays a pivotal role in many major arcs to the point of being a DeusExMachina.
11	* EvilIsCool: Most fan probably forget of inhuman nature of several character(Guo Jia, Jia Xu, Sun Ce, Sima Yi, etc) but remember how cool they was. Being a group of Bishonen certainly helps them too.
12	* FanNickname: Xun Yu is called "[[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Pikachu]]" by the Chinese fandom because the two moles he has (one under each eye).
13	* FridgeBrilliance: Liaoyuan Huo loves steamed buns, which generally doesn't have a lot of nutritional value (especially if it's made with fine flour so that it is pure white in appearance), but as recently as the end of the Second World War it was considered a sign of financial stability (and even prosperity) to be able to afford eating them regularly. Having grown up in poverty even before he became an orphan, Huo has ever since subconsciously indulged in (literal) ConspicuousConsumption.
14	* FunWithHomophones: None of the three Lus of Wu -- Lu Meng, Lu Su, Lu Xun -- have the same surname[[note]]although Lu Meng shares his with Lu Bu[[/note]].
15	* HilariousInHindsight: In volume 3, when Dong Zhuo's puzzle was presented, until Sima Yi and the Seventh Genius solved it, the entire bunch of Guandong advisors spent a whole evening trying to decipher it but couldn't. In frustration, even Guo Tu (Yuan Shao's famous personal advisor) stomped out, declaring that the puzzle was unsolvable and urging everyone to not look into it any further, lest it be a trap of Dong Zhuo. Know what, dude was right! [[spoiler:Of course it was not unsolvable, but indeed it was a trap to lure Yuan Shao to Luoyang.]]
16	* HoYay: Sun Ce and Ling Cao in the novel, being childhood buddies and mutual confidantes and all. In his monologue, Sun Ce even states that [[ReplacementGoldfish he takes a liking to Taishi Ci because the latter reminds him of Ling Cao]]. [[TearJerker And then you remember what Sun Ce had to do to Ling Cao for the sake of his clan's future...]]
17	** Most of the men who lust after the beautiful eunuch Xiao Meng do so while he is disguised as a woman, but Liaoyuan Huo [[spoiler: AKA Zhao Yun]] ''knows'' that he is a man, and seems pretty clearly in love with him anyway.
18	** Lu Bu probably is also in the "know but doesn't care" camp; his daughter outright says that Lu Bu likes Xiao Meng, while she and advisor Chen Gong both know by the time he's trying to break the siege of Xiapi to deliver said daughter to Yuan Shu, so there's no reason to think he doesn't know as well.
19	* ItWasHisSled: Some of the twists in earlier volumes is this for initiated readers, making the characters involved WalkingSpoiler to newcomers in Ravages fandom. Beware of spoilers.
20	** 'Yuan Dang', the insider of Guandong alliance in Dong Zhuo's camp who rescued Xiao Meng from several rape attempts by Dong Zhuo's sons and nephew and escaped with him when the hostage rescue arc reached a climax, is Lu Bu.
21	** Xiao Meng is Diao Chan, and Liaoyuan Huo will eventually play the part of Zhao Yun in canon history.
22	** Liaoyuan Huo's handicap is his [[FeelNoPain insensitivity to pain]].
23	** 'Sun Fu', Sun Ce's cousin appearing in volume 16-17, is actually Sun Ce. The one Yuan Shu believed to be Sun Ce and killed is Ling Cao, Sun Ce's subordinate.
24	** The identities of the Eight Geniuses up to the Seventh, Zhuge Liang.
25	** Anyone who read ''Romance of the Three Kingdoms'' is certain to be aware of the outcome of major campaigns and the fates of almost every major characters. Anyone who didn't needs only look at chapter one to find out the answer to the most important question: it will not be Cao Cao, Liu Bei or Sun Quan who wins the war of Three Kingdoms, but Sima Yi.
26	* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Guo Jia, Guo Jia, Guo Jia! Guo Jia/Jia Xu[[note]]fellow men of "''darkness''"[[/note]], Guo Jia/Xun Yu[[note]]"''dark versus light''"[[/note]] and Guo Jia/Huo Tuo[[note]]patient and doctor[[/note]] are probably among the most popular pairings in Chinese fandom. Given their interactions, [[FoeYayShipping Guo Jia/Sima Yi]] is not without supporters.
27	* MemeticMutation:
28	** Fan rage at Zhuge Liang's refusal to show his face since volume 3 and continued attempt to cover it.
29	** Zhuge Liang finally shows his face in the most recent chapters of the Chibi arc. Some commented that he is rather underwhelming at Bishounen index when compared to the likes of Sima Yi, Zhou Yu etc.
30	* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Dong Zhuo, a StupidEvil [[FatBastard fat]] [[DirtyOldMan pervert]] with zero good points in ''Romance of Three Kingdoms'' upgraded into a [[MagneticHero magnetic]] anti-heroic [[WellIntentionedExtremist loyalist]] in Ravages of Time. He's attracted a considerable fanbase.
31	* TheScrappy: Yang Qing [[spoiler:aka Yang Xiu]]. Many fans are not happy when such a seemingly trivial character [[spoiler:turns out to be a big shot who pretty much brings about the ruins of Yuan clan with his assassination of Yuan Fang and manipulating Yuan Shao to death]]. His SmugSnake attitude doesn't help his case a bit, though [[spoiler:his being introduced as on Cao Zhi's side as far as contention over the succession or over Lady Zhen, while Jia Xu is on Cao Pi's side in chapter 390]] suggests that one day, he's going to get his.
32	** Worry not, [[spoiler: Yang Xiu]] haters. In both actual history and ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', he is [[spoiler: put to death by Cao Cao when he proves to be too clever for his own good]].
33	* TheStationsOfTheCanon: The side novels, when dealing with events that happen in the comic, describes them exactly as they happened, and repeats all of the dialogue word-for-word.
34	** Meanwhile, the main series is truer to actual history than ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', but it still often alludes to events in the novel and/or puts a new spin on them.
35	* TooCoolToLive: The list is long. [[spoiler:Dong Zhuo, Lu Bu, Gao Shun, Chen Gong, Sun Ce, Yuan Fang, Guo Jia...]]
36	* WildMassGuessing: A lot, considering the number of plot twists the author has pulled on us over these years.
37	** The Eighth Genius's identity, oh boy. It's likely the most commonly asked question in the fandom to date.
38	** Following the clever twists with apparently original characters like Liaoyuan Huo and Xiao Meng turning out to be HistoricalDomainCharacter [[spoiler:like Zhao Yun and Diao Chan]], fans have taken to speculating other possible "identities" of characters who are fated to exit the stage early like Yuan Fang and Lu Bu. Many readers have theorized that Lu Bu will assume the identity of Lu Meng, which sounds plausible enough until [[spoiler:Lu Bu officially kicks the bucket by a can't-get-any-deader decapitation]] after volume 32. But the Yuan Fang conspiracies are where things get ridiculous: a very popular fan theory is that he will become Cao Pi, which is impossible as anything more serious than blind WildMassGuessing. [[http://ravagingtimes.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/chen-mou-interview-by-acg-ex-march-2012/ It's even outright jossed by the author]].
39	*** Yuan Fang was a plot device/character he created to make Guandu cooler, while shooting down the idea of Yuan Fang as later becoming Cao Pi as "impossible to make it logical/plausible. Unless we involve aliens, or Cao Cao loses his mind while practicing some martial art thing..."
40	** People are wondering what's the identity of the young assassin who hang out with Wei Yan is. Guesses ranged from Deng Ai, Zhong Yao and even Jiang Wei but those are still too young or not born yet (not that it has stopped Cheng Mou before)
41	* TheWoobie: [[JerkassWoobie Yuan Fang]] and [[StepfordSmiler Sun Ce]].
42	** Specifically, Sun Ce in the novel Bofu. Before things go downhill for the Sun clan, Sun Ce has constantly felt outshone by his little brother [[YoungestChildWins Sun Quan]] who is the apple of the clan's eyes due to his prodigious smarts, while he himself has a reputation of being a goofy, lazy person and therefore [[TheUnfavorite generally more useless older brother]]. The fact that Sun Quan [[StrongFamilyResemblance grows to resemble their father]], while his bland looks is less indicative of their relationship than even that of the unrelated, but hunky and intimidating-looking Ling Cao is also a particularly sore spot to Sun Ce (during an encounter with Dong army, a halberd he'd thrown was even mistaken to be Ling Cao's, although he stood just nearby). To not help the matter a bit, Sun Jian is kind of a strict father, who finds it easier to open his heart to his younger son and daughter but not [[WellDoneSonGuy his eldest son]]. [[FreudianExcuse Before long, he cracks under the pressure and disappointment and puts up an aloof, carefree facade to cope with his self-esteem issues]]. As a result, his mighty talents and cunnings as a warrior go under the radar, which lower the clansmen's expectation even more. And when his father finally shows a bit of approval for him, guess what? [[DespairEventHorizon He's killed in the very next battle, leaving Sun Ce completely broken]].

Context YMMV / RavagesOfTime