| 1 | YMMV items for ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow''. |
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| 5 | [[folder:In General]] |
| 6 | * ArtifactTitle: ''DC's'' Legends of Tomorrow, as the series went on fewer and fewer of the cast consisted of actual DC characters. |
| 7 | * AwardSnub: Despite the show receiving considerable acclaim for its handling of queer characters like Sara Lance, Ava Sharpe and John Constantine, it has never received so much as a nomination at the GLAAD Media Awards. |
| 8 | * BaseBreakingCharacter: |
| 9 | ** Sara Lance. While a BreakoutCharacter on ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' became polarizing following her move to Legends due to the writer's decision to [[{{Flanderization}} flanderize]] her LovableSexManiac traits to the point where she'd be seducing or sleeping with a new girl throughout history, which some find crosses into harmful stereotypes about bisexual women. Generally people like Sara fine, especially those who are happy to see her revived after her death and enjoy seeing her actually happy for a change due to being TheWoobie on ''Arrow'', but some find that the writers fail to properly utilise her or Caity Lots' assets outside of fighting ability, even despite the subtle CharacterDevelopment she showed, to instead relegate her to being an ActionGirl and in-universe MemeticBadass with little else to her, with her only plot focus being romantic in nature. |
| 10 | ** Ava Sharpe. At first, she and the Time Bureau were the LoveToHate, straight-laced antagonists to the Legends' WildCard-esque D-List superheroes. After she gradually became Sara's LoveInterest, fans were torn on whether she was a [[TheComicallySerious comically serious]] {{Foil}} or a bland ControlFreak with a [[StrangledByTheRedString badly-written romance]]. Her actions in Season 5 (the condolence card, checking Sara's phone without permission) only heightened the debate, with some people genuinely finding her funny and others seeing her as borderline abusive. |
| 11 | * BrokenBase: Seasons 4 and 5 are very divisive within the fandom, due the show getting even DenserAndWackier than the past two seasons and the contested quality of the team line-up. [[CriticalDissonance Professional reviewers]] are pretty united in their love for them, though. |
| 12 | * CargoShip: Rip/Waverider. Which may or may not be canon considering that in the Season 2 episode "Land of the Lost", Rip has TheBigDamnKiss with the mental avatar of Gideon in his mind, something that the actual Gideon is confirmed to have remembered (and enjoyed) mere moments afterwards. |
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| 14 | * CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/{{Arrowverse}} here]]. |
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| 16 | * ContinuityLockout: Although there are some attempts made at exposition, you really have to be caught up with ''Flash'' and ''Arrow'' to understand what's going on. And in the case of Season 3, ''Vixen''. |
| 17 | * EnsembleDarkHorse: Has its own page for ''EnsembleDarkHorse/LegendsOfTomorrow''. |
| 18 | * FandomRivalry: |
| 19 | ** Despite being part of the same franchise and the latter's existence creating this show, fans of ''Legends'' and fans of ''The Flash'' have often butted heads since the first season. Besides the issue of ''Legends'' effectively cutting ''The Flash'' off from using Captain Cold and Heat Wave, thus averting the formation of the Rogues, the two had problems first over the Legends giving Barry a lecture on time travel abuse after Flashpoint during the ''Invasion'' crossover (leading some of Barry's more defensive fans to attack Sara, due to her own attempts to save her sister despite the difference in damage the two events would cause), then later the show 'stealing' Wally West after ''The Flash'''s well-documented poor use of him (see Season 3's subfolder). In general, the two shows have had the most heat between one-another of the Arrowverse shows, not helped by the fact ''both'' involve time travel heavily but with ''vastly'' different attitudes to its implications and rules. Barry has to live with the consequences of creating and then negating Flashpoint, while the Legends never suffer any consequences for their constant screw ups. |
| 20 | ** A strange one also crops up with ''Series/DoomPatrol2019'', due to both being oddball superhero shows about Loveable screwups that are DenserAndWackier than the rest of what's offered. The main crux of the rivalry is the debate about which one does it better, as some ''Doom Patrol'' fans feel ''Legends'' merely uses the oddball comedy to cover for the fact it has the same failings the rest of the CW suffer from, or find its attempts at this style of humour to be more cringey than funny. For their part, ''Legends'' fans [[FriendlyFandoms tend to actually like DP]], so it's very one-sided. |
| 21 | * FanNickname: |
| 22 | ** The team had been referred to as "The Legends" or "Team Legends" even before they were called that InUniverse, and then it became [[AscendedFanon their official name]]. |
| 23 | ** Fans have referred to the future Oliver Queen of 2046 as "Old Man Oliver". |
| 24 | *** The BadFuture of "Star City 2046" is also referred to often as [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Green Arrow Beyond]], due to the same basic idea (a distant future hero passes their mantle on to a younger successor). |
| 25 | ** Carter was nicknamed "[[StalkerWithACrush Stalkman]]" due to his relentless hitting on Kendra.[[note]] Ironically, he actually addressed it in his debut, saying him going after Kendra is NotWhatItLooksLike.[[/note]] |
| 26 | ** Some fans endearingly refer to the Legends as "the worst time travelers ever" for their consistent ability to screw up time travel in ways no one else could even imagine. |
| 27 | ** After Rip referred to the Legends as a chainsaw to the Time Bureau's scalpel ("sometimes you need a chainsaw"), fans started affectionately referring to the Legends as "Team Chainsaw." |
| 28 | ** Sara and Ava are sometimes called "time wives." |
| 29 | * {{Fanon}}: Just about all the non-canonically queer Legends are headcanoned as bisexual by some, due to copious amounts of HoYay and LesYay, but the most popular examples are Zari, Nate, Ray and Mick. |
| 30 | * FanonDiscontinuity: Due to ''Legends'' being CutShort with a sudden DownerEnding, a lot of fans decided that the end of Season 6, where the Legends head towards the Waverider, was the true ending of the show. |
| 31 | * FanPreferredCouple: |
| 32 | ** Although Amaya has a RelationshipUpgrade with Nate at the end of Season 2, quite a few fans wished she had instead been paired with Mick as they had plenty of apparent development and even the producers described them as having a (platonic) "Beauty-and-the-Beast" dynamic. Compounding this is the [[HoYay homoerotic subtext]] many of those same fans saw between Nate and Ray, making them ShipMates of a sort |
| 33 | ** Due to Amaya/Nate being a RomanticPlotTumor, a lot of fans have instead shipped Nate with Wally during season 3, from before Wally was ''even added to the show'', which has only grown as the two spend increasing amounts of HoYay together. Adding to this is that Keiynan Lonsdale (Wally's actor) came out as bisexual shortly before joining the show, which has lead some fans to petition the creators to give Wally a ComingOutStory to reflect Lonsdale's sexual identity. |
| 34 | * '''FountainOfMemes''': Take an episode post-Season One. ''Any'' episode. By the time you're done watching, you'll have at least three memes to milk for all they're worth. |
| 35 | * FranchiseOriginalSin: |
| 36 | ** All throughout the show, the Legends are allowed to fix time anomalies despite creating as many problems as they fix. This wasn't such a problem in Season One (where the Time Masters flatly refused to deal with Vandal Savage because of their alliance with him) or Season Two (where the Time Masters are dead as an organization and have no replacement). By Season Three, however, the Time Bureau, for all of their years of training and experience, still regularly grab the IdiotBall and prove useless against Mallus after they arrested Rip, leaving the Legends to resume their work. |
| 37 | ** Towards the end of its run, ''Legends'' has received perhaps the most intense criticism for its RevolvingDoorCasting and replacing canonical comic book characters with original characters who get a mixed reception at best. However, many of these elements were already present in the show's early days. Ever since the first season ended, Captain Cold was killed off and Hawkman and Hawkgirl were given the shaft and replaced by Nate and Amaya in the second season. But back then such a thing didn't receive intense scrutiny because the series was still fresh, the hawks didn't get a great audience reception to begin with, and Nate would go on to become one of the most well-loved characters on the show. Additionally, new additions to the Legends like Amaya and Zari had their comic book precedence so nobody minded back then and characters like Martin Stein and Jefferson being written off was justified since [[RealLifeWritesThePlot Stein's actor wanted to leave the show to join Broadway]]. However, as the show reached its later stages, particularly when Ray Palmer was written off against the actor's wishes, one couldn't help but notice the revolving door nature of the show and how the founding members of the Legends were being retired at an alarming rate and being replaced by [[CanonForeigner Canon Foreigners]] that the writers seem to favor above all else. By then, fan criticism towards the show's revolving-door tendencies became much more vocal. |
| 38 | * GrowingTheBeard: |
| 39 | ** Season 2 has been welcomed quite happily even by people who disliked the first season, for an oddly enough reason: the crew is praised for abandoning any attempt to have a sensible story in favor of going completely nuts with the fact that they're writing a story about a time-traveling superhero team. With The Flash season 3 suffering from Seasonal Rot, Legends of Tomorrow is now the "fun" show on the Arrowverse. The fact that Damien Darhk and Eobard Thawne are the main villains this season also helps. |
| 40 | ** Season 3 is when the beard was fully grown as this saw the cast cement their status as the loveable losers bumbling through time, allowed the villains to truly become just as humorous and lovable as the heroes, and parody/homage episodes fully develop. In particular "Beebo, The God of War" can be seen as when the show finally embraced its wild and fun nature. |
| 41 | * HarsherInHindsight: |
| 42 | ** When the first trailer was released, Captain Cold's line "I can't imagine any kind of future where I'm a hero" just came off as his usual villainous arrogance. Then Season 2 of ''The Flash'' revealed that he was raised to be a criminal by his horrible father, and had considered leaving it behind only to dismiss himself as too far past the MoralEventHorizon already. Barry refuses to accept this and tells him he can still turn his life around despite all he's done, which is what starts him on the road to joining the team, but it seems he still has trouble believing it. |
| 43 | ** Just about everything from the promotional material where they made a large focus on how Rip is telling them that they are legends from where he comes in the future. Then it is revealed the reason he chose them is because in the future they aren't legends at all--in fact they had so little of an effect on the future that they are basically expendable since their deaths will have no consequences on the timeline. |
| 44 | ** Sara and Laurel's scene together in the pilot, because it turned out it would be the last time they would be together, since Laurel was unceremoniously killed off late into Arrow Season 4 just like Sara was in Season 3. There will never be a SiblingTeam featuring the Black and White Canaries, not mention that Sara never got to say goodbye to her sister. |
| 45 | ** After this show received tremendous plaudits for undoing the BuryYourGays fate of Sara, its first season was paired with Season 3 of ''Series/{{The 100}}'', which shook up ''even more'' controversy than Sara's death caused with its own BuryYourGays development. |
| 46 | ** The episode ''Shogun'' becomes this when you do historical research and realize it takes place at the same time as Shusaku Endo's ''[[Film/{{Silence}} Silence]]'', in which Japanese Christians or any foreigners in general were put to death [[AbsoluteXenophobe out of Japan's fear of outside influence]]. Let's just say Sara being a master-less ronin woman would be the least of the group's problems. Doubles as FridgeHorror. |
| 47 | ** Creator/CarrieFisher's devastating death came shortly before the show did a story about having to fix Creator/GeorgeLucas' career so that Ray can be inspired to become a scientist after seeing ''Franchise/StarWars''. |
| 48 | ** At the beginning of the series, when Rip tells everyone that they could be legends, Stein asks "Don't you have to be dead in order to be a legend?" Cut to season three, where he does in fact die. |
| 49 | ** In "White Knights", Stein tells Ray that if Jax dies, he'll have to be the one to go back to the present and inform his mother that her son's never coming home. "Crisis on Earth-X: Part 4" shows the exact reverse of the situation with Stein dying and Jax having to go back to inform his wife and daughter. |
| 50 | * HesJustHiding: Captain Cold and later Rip Hunter. It helps they both "died" in explosions caused by time travel devices, and NeverFoundTheBody applies in both cases. A popular theory is they're both just stranded in time somewhere. |
| 51 | * HilariousInHindsight: |
| 52 | ** The team seems to be the Series/{{Arrowverse}}'s answer to the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse's Justice League since those characters (except for Barry Allen) appear to be [[ExiledFromContinuity embargoed]]. In other words, the movies have a "League of Justice" while the shows have a "VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends." |
| 53 | ** This [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8WLa6umgdw music video]] by Music/MatchboxTwenty featuring Stephanie Corneliussen (Valentina Vostok) has plenty after watching Episode 5 where she briefly becomes Firestorm, such as her starting a fire, the chorus ending with the line "You'll never her her go, why don't you let her go!?" as Vostok met her end after Jax pulls out Stein after her and the latter's forced FusionDance, and the fact that the song title is "She's So Mean." |
| 54 | ** In "Blood Ties," Sara says there's no magical cure for the side effects of the Lazarus Pit. On ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' the night before, Nyssa revealed that there is. |
| 55 | ** Ray going [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever giant size]] in order to fight The Leviathan in the episode Leviathan becomes this when, in ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' (which was released worldwide a few days after this episode was) Ant-Man does the exact same thing during the superhero fight in the airport. |
| 56 | ** In ''Series/TheFlash2014,'' Zoom gave the MemeticMutation-inducing quote "You can't lock up the darkness!" Well, the Black Flash is lured into and trapped in a vault by the Legion of Doom in Season Two. It looks like you can lock him up after all! |
| 57 | ** In the promotional trailer for Season 4, some of the Legends eager at the prospect of encountering and fighting a dragon. [[{{Recap/Supergirl2015S4E6CallToAction}} Fastforward to Season 4 of Supergirl that same year]], Kara ends up beating them to it. |
| 58 | * IKnewIt: |
| 59 | ** Sara comes BackFromTheDead via Lazarus Pit. Some people also predicted her new alias being "White Canary". |
| 60 | ** Others also guessed ComicBook/VandalSavage would be the BigBad from the plot synopsis alone, given he's the most apparent [[CompleteImmortality "immortal threat"]] in the DC Universe. |
| 61 | ** With all the references to shrinking and nanotech in ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and ''Series/TheFlash2014'', it was only a matter of time until Ray Palmer's ATOM suit finally gets shrinking powers. |
| 62 | ** Many people called it that Chronos was indeed Future!Heatwave |
| 63 | ** The Time Masters being Savage's cronies shocked absolutely nobody. |
| 64 | ** Many had guessed the Leonard Snart that would join the Legion of Doom is a younger version back from his villainous days. |
| 65 | ** Although it was mostly a joke, many were right on the mark when they said Beebo would be significant in the fight against Mallus. In "The Good, The Bad, and the Cuddly", the Totems of Zambezi are used to create a gigantic Beebo who [[KillTheGod kills Mallus]]. Beebo went from being a MemeticBadass to a literal badass. |
| 66 | * InformedWrongness: |
| 67 | ** Sara wanting to save Laurel is treated as being on-par with Barry creating Flashpoint, with characters scolding her on how reckless it would be, Rip refusing to take her to Laurel's death to prevent it, and even when given the Spear of Destiny, using it to revive Laurel is treated as a dark temptation Sara ultimately has to reject. However, in comparison to saving Nora Allen or preventing the massacre of Amaya's village, saving Laurel would have the least harm on the timeline since it only happened recently (when Sara first declares wanting to undo it, Laurel had been dead for ''mere weeks''), instead of wanting to change entire decades worth of history. The main issue is really Sara's methods, which were to target Damien Darhk in an earlier point in his life, which ''would'' have untold effects on decades of history, ''but'' this is something she's only attempting because she was refused the option of just saving Laurel at the time of her death. And even still, it's not any different than Rip wanting to remove Vandal Savage from the timeline ''centuries'' before he's destined to kill Rip's wife and child, which was ''the entire point'' of the first season. |
| 68 | ** Conversely, while occasionally manipulative, Rip Hunter's plans often seem to go out of his way to accomodate his crew while keeping a tiny (emphasis on tiny, still far from enough for the subject matter) shred of responsibility for the timeline, being a former Time Master and all who's seasoned in that, or the group's main goals. Sometimes he tries to get them to make tough decisions, often for the latter goal before HonorBeforeReason goes into play, but until he goes along with their wishes entirely, he's gotten chewed out, scolded, disobeyed, told flatly to go to hell, and threatened numerous times. Seeming to hold him to a DoubleStandard, almost the whole crew chews him out as selfish for prioritizing his family's lives over the group's well-being after Jax is exposed to radiation after orders Rip gave him, but nobody even hinted at being angry at Kendra or called her selfish for prioritising the possibility of brainwashed Carter regaining his memories, who always reincarnates unlike Rip's family as Mick pointed out, over their safety by sparing Vandal Savage's life. Savage being a danger to the entire crew and potentially countless millions of people as long as he's alive and led to the chain of events that led to Jax being exposed to radiation as they scrambled to bring Vandal to the Time Masters' location. |
| 69 | * JerkassWoobie: |
| 70 | ** Snart is a criminal and a thief but his life was bad with his [[AbusiveParents father]] going to prison, and beating him and his mother. Snart was forced into crime by his father and went to Juvenile Detention by age 14, where he was nearly killed before he was saved by Mick. He is forced to strand his own best friend after Mick's betrayal. In Season 2, after his death Mick begins to have hallucinations about him...that is, until the ''actual'' Snart, pulled from an earlier point from before he even met the other Legends, returns to goad Mick into finding the Spear for the Legion of Doom. By the time the Legends are able to revert the damage, Mick sends Snart back to the time he came from, wiping his memory of his time with the Legion and leaving him in a warehouse in Central City. |
| 71 | ** Mick is an AxCrazy criminal who betrays the team to pirates in the seventh episode, but it clearly hits him hard when Rip tells him that the only reason he recruited Mick in the first place is because he and Snart were a "package deal" (and, like the rest of the team, Mick was told in the pilot that his life was essentially pointless in the grand scheme of things). After the events of "Marooned", Mick is stranded for so long that he nearly goes insane, then is abducted by the Time Masters and brainwashed into becoming Chronos. It's revealed in the episode "Last Refuge" that Mick feels a lot of self loathing due to accidentally setting his house on fire and killing his parents when he was a teenager. Finally in the penultimate episode of season 1 his best friend ends up sacrificing himself to save him and the team which naturally affects Mick greatly in both seasons 1 and 2. And then in Season 2, the Team begins to have a ''ton'' of trust issues with him, leading him to join the Legion of Doom and, when things get too boring in "Doomworld", his moral compass compels him to find the rest of the Team. This leads to ''even more'' trust issues with the Team, and the one person who ''would'' trust him with making the right choice (Amaya) is killed before his eyes, and he couldn't even kill the person responsible because it was Snart who did it. Finally, this version of Mick pulls of a HeroicSacrifice, ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice by Snart the following episode. Needless to say, he's been through a lot. |
| 72 | * JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of people not sold on the premise and execution of the show admit they watch it simply for the surprisingly strong and varied team dynamics. |
| 73 | * LauncherOfAThousandShips: |
| 74 | ** Sara, even with just one episode, has already begun to be shipped with Rip, Kendra, and Snart. And by the second episode, (younger) Stein. |
| 75 | ** Snart as well, with Mick, Ray, and Sara. |
| 76 | ** Amaya, having Nate, Rory, Ray, and Sara. |
| 77 | ** Ray with Kendra, Nate, and Zari. |
| 78 | * MagnificentBastard: Leonard Snart, and Damien Darhk, [[MagnificentBastard/{{Arrowverse}} see here]]. |
| 79 | * MemeticLoser: |
| 80 | ** Ray in some circles. Redditors keep a "Ray Palmer Fuck-Up" counter in the Legends of Tomorrow Sub-reddit. They actually got rid of the counter because they couldn't keep count anymore. |
| 81 | ** The Pilgrim has reached this status for a few fans as well. She's told to be the Time Masters' ultimate assassin but she never kills anyone, never gains a victory, and quite embarrassingly gets killed thanks to ''a child'' outsmarting her. |
| 82 | ** The Team as a whole seem to be this, as there's a lot of buzz about them being ineffective losers who've failed at every mission. In actuality, the only actual 'failures' they've had was the attacks on Savage in the 70s and the 50s, and assassinating Per Degaton, while the team ''has'' succeeded in foiling Savage's plot with the Soviets, halted his experiments in the 50s, stopped his use of the ATOM drones, as well as saved the future Star City from Grant Wilson, defeated the Stillwater gang, and defeated and deprogrammed Chronos, the Hunters, and the Pilgrim, and captured Savage while he's at the height of his power. However, their failures are just more memorable. |
| 83 | ** In particular, Rip's apparent ineptitude at time travel, given his repeated failure to kill Savage before forming the team, and his poor management skills when leading the team, has been the subject of much humor among fans. It was later revealed that the Time Masters had been actively sabotaging his attempts to kill Savage, but even afterwards the team still has a tendency to ignore his plans and just do their own thing (during a mission to protect the King of France from being assassinated, Sara slept with the Queen of France). |
| 84 | ** Nate to a lesser extent, thanks to how often he seems to forget he has a superpower of turning indestructible. The show's crew has openly admitted they really didn't think ahead when giving him such a huge StoryBreakerPower that's also a severe drain on the budget. |
| 85 | * MemeticMutation: |
| 86 | ** Sara's nude emergence from the Lazarus Pit in the promo got some people circulating "Did they bury Sara naked?" [[note]]This shot was actually created just for the trailer, and she's wearing clothes in the ''Arrow'' episode where the resurrection happens.[[/note]] |
| 87 | ** Another one centered on Sara's resurrection is fans calling her "Canary the White" due to a certain other [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings famous fellow]] who referred to himself by the color white after coming back from death. |
| 88 | ** "[[OnceAnEpisode Don't call us heroes. We're something else, we're legends.]]" |
| 89 | ** The height gap between Sara and Ava ([[OneHeadTaller and the rest of the team]]) is a point of amusement for both Avalance shippers and general audiences, especially as Sara is a MemeticBadass. TheLeader and the team's BadassNormal being a tiny blonde woman is amusing on it's own, but as the rest of the cast is generally quite tall, it leads to a lot of playful exaggerating. |
| 90 | ** Grodd’s attempt to assassinate a young Barack Obama has become the go-to clip for demonstrating how crazy Legends can be. |
| 91 | * MoralEventHorizon: See [[MoralEventHorizon/{{Arrowverse}} here]]. |
| 92 | * MorePopularReplacement: Nate/Steel is easily this to Hawkman/Carter Hall, taking over Carter's role in the second season as a leading man with a "starcrossed lovers" relationship going on with Amaya and later on, Zari. While fans never fully embraced Hawkman, Nate was seen as much more funny, charismatic, and lovable by comparison. |
| 93 | * {{Narm}}: |
| 94 | ** The show's approach to historical accuracy is rather spotty, but it gets worse after they introduce Nate Haywood, a gifted historian who provides historical exposition....and get's ''so much wrong'' that even viewers with a casual understanding of history will be baffled by his claims. Such as claiming Tokugawa Iemitsu was TheBluebeard when he was actually well-known and openly homosexual, or claiming that Vikings converting to Christianity is what prevented them colonising the Americas, when it was actually a combination of not having an easy means to contact the mainland and the First Nations tribes at the time being far more numerous than they would be when Europeans colonised the continent later. It would be almost acceptable as ArtisticLicenseHistory (as it's intended to be, as in-universe he ''is'' correct, and it's the writers themselves who are misinformed or changing facts), but by having an in-universe 'expert' exposite this stuff to the audience, he ends up coming off as an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. |
| 95 | ** There is a ''very'' patriotic episode about the American Revolution in season 2, which gloriously portrays the founding fathers as much more egalitarian than they were in real life...which was only a few episodes after they had done one about the Civil War, which painfully showcased the real horrors of slavery (a practice that the founding fathers were ''very guilty of''). The HistoricalHeroUpgrade treatment of the former is pretty much normal for American TV, but the fact they had already outlined how racist and violent America was during the colonial times, it makes the portrayal come off as unintentionally, strangely hilarious as it looks like the writers have no clue how the timeline looks. |
| 96 | * NarmCharm: |
| 97 | ** The running animation for the miniaturized Atom has gotten quite a few laughs in reactions to the promo. The effects are not as good as in ''Film/AntMan1'', but some think it's appropriately cheesy enough for the tone of the show and alright for a TV budget compared to a movie one. |
| 98 | ** In the first trailer, the gang battles a giant robot. For a TV show, it's ridiculous. In a comic book TV show, it's amazing. Too bad the trailer was just proof of concept... |
| 99 | *** Although there is still a fight with a giant robot. But it's ATOM who fights him, not the whole gang. |
| 100 | ** The epic battle of Mallus vs. '''[[AscendedMeme Beebo]]'''. |
| 101 | * OutOfTheGhetto: In a landscape of superhero shows veering hard into DarkerAndEdgier territory, it's this band of lovable time-traveling self-described "idiots" that landed on several publications' year-end best-of-television lists in 2018-19, from ''Time'' to ''Rolling Stone'' to [[Creator/RogerEbert Roger Ebert's]] website. |
| 102 | * RecycledPlot: The scripts tend to follow the same format: someone screws with history, the Legends come into fix it and usually do a bigger screw up, then get their act together and fix things. |
| 103 | * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Ray Palmer had a lukewarm reception at best on ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' largely due to the RomanticPlotTumor of being involved in a love triangle with Olicity. However migrating to Legends made the fandom turn full circle and embraced him, as his [[CharacterizationMarchesOn character was changed from]] rival billionaire and Film/IronMan knockoff, to {{adorkable}} GadgeteerGenius known for being [[MemeticLoser a screw-up]]. Nate being introduced as his fellow nerdy best friend only made him even more popular. |
| 104 | * RonTheDeathEater: There are some viewers who claim Ava is an abusive, biphobic monster and paint all of her actions in the worst possible light. |
| 105 | * SignatureScene: |
| 106 | ** Season 1: |
| 107 | *** The BarBrawl in Episode 1. |
| 108 | *** Future Oliver Queen returning to action to fight Grant Wilson in Episode 6. |
| 109 | *** Leonard Snart apparently killing Mick Rory in Episode 7. |
| 110 | *** The Pilgrim stopping the attack of the entire Legends via her [[TimeStandsStill time manipulation powers]] in Episode 12. |
| 111 | ** Season 2: |
| 112 | *** The Justice Society of America's CurbStompBattle against the Legends, with the bonus of what's widely considered one of the best pieces of music in the entire Arrowverse. |
| 113 | *** The "Invasion!" crossover with the rooftop battle scene between all the Arrowverse heroes and the Dominators, which has been compared to the iconic airport battle scene from ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and one of the most famous scenes in the entire Arrowverse. |
| 114 | *** Most of the Reverse-Flash's scenes. Especially in the season finale "Aruba" when he [[MesACrowd summons up an entire army of his past selves to take down the Legends]]. Also, his unfortunate death scene right after, which shows SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome when he is disintegrated. |
| 115 | *** Speaking of speedsters, we also have the Black Flash, who's hunting down Eobard since he's an aberration. There's his introductory scene in "The Legion of Doom" where he finally catches up to Eobard and stalks around him like a zombie on a sugar rush. Then comes the season finale, where he [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice shoves his hand into Eobard's chest]] before briefly scowling at Sara and running off to hunt down another poor sap. |
| 116 | ** Season 3: |
| 117 | *** The fun montage when Zari is stuck in a [GroundhogDayLoop. |
| 118 | *** In the finale, the epic battle of Mallus vs. Beebo. |
| 119 | ** Season 4: Neron convincing [[spoiler: Gary]] to join his side by summoning [[spoiler: his nipple]] from Hell. |
| 120 | ** Season 5: |
| 121 | *** Ray and Nate's goodbye. |
| 122 | *** The "Thong Song" fight between the Legends and the Encores in the finale. |
| 123 | ** Season 6: Sara proposing to Ava. |
| 124 | ** Season 7: [[spoiler: Human!Gideon]] becoming an offical Legend in the show's hundredth episode. |
| 125 | * TakeThatScrappy: The writers seem to be quite aware of how unpopular Carter, Kendra and Vandal Savage are in the fandom, judging by the amount of jokes made with the trio of characters after they left at the end of the first season. |
| 126 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: |
| 127 | ** It is revealed that Chronos is Mick Rory, the best of the Time Master's assassins. Chronos is shown with technological knowhow comparable to Rip, badass armor, and a wide arsenal of weapons he's very skilled with, so you'd expect Rory to be much smarter, more competent, and with much more to contribute once he rejoins the team. NOPE! Instead the writers just revert Rory back to his old Dumb Muscle characterization and limit him back to using his heat gun again, losing most if not all the skills and arsenal he possessed as Chronos such as his ability to fly timeships. |
| 128 | ** Also, the Thanagerians. They are revealed to invade Earth in the future...and then are promptly forgotten about after Season 1. While admittedly the Legends have other things on their hands to worry about, one would hope that they might devote ''some'' effort to dealing with an alien invasion, perhaps by [[AvengersAssemble gathering allies]] or perhaps going on missions to get more information. There's an absolute goldmine waiting to happen...and it's been completely, utterly ignored. |
| 129 | ** After ''Arrow'' killed off Laurel, it's not uncommon for fans to wonder why they didn't just make ''Sara'' become the Black Canary, instead of letting Arrow ''continue'' to mess it up, as they tried to give Laurel a LegacyCharacter in the form of, firstly, an InNameOnly version of Dinah Drake and later Laurel's own evil counterpart from Earth 2, both of which were controversial moves. As she was the originator of the Canary legacy in this universe, and that Laurel had taken the name ''Black'' Canary to honour Sara's death, it would have been poetic of Sara to do the same for her in return, and would mean letting the Black Canary role be properly utilised outside of being reduced to being a sidekick for Green Arrow. What's more, many find that Sara was overall much more TruerToTheText match for Black Canary than Laurel was (and much moreso than both Laurel's replacements) in appearance, personality, and fighting ability, and that a metahuman who FightsLikeANormal is much more fitting with Legends than ''Arrow'' anyway, so having Sara gain the Canary Cry and learning to control it would have given her a plot arc that isn't either about grief or romance. |
| 130 | * UnexpectedCharacter: Jonah Hex was a surprise addition to the show. |
| 131 | * TheWoobie: Like its [[Series/{{Arrow}} predecessors]] [[Series/TheFlash2014 in the]] Series/{{Arrowverse}}, this show is not very kind to its main characters. |
| 132 | ** Rip Hunter's wife and son were murdered by Vandal Savage, and the loss clearly weighs on him. His attempt to try and prevent this (and Savage's campaign for world domination) is opposed by the very people he once swore his allegiance to, admired and respected. The pressures of the mission are clearly getting to him at times, especially in the tenth episode where he grapples with the possibility of having to murder a child to stop Savage, only for his choice to spare the boy making matters worse. He is simultaneously hated, looked down on, threatened and opposed in-universe by [[ArchEnemy Vandal Savage]] and those working for him, the Time Masters he used to work for, and oftentimes many of the Legends he assembled themselves with ''nobody'' really in his corner except apparently his foster mother who took him in as a child when he was a starving street orphan. Both the Time Masters he used to work for and the Legends who work for him give a pass to others (respectively his arch-nemesis and other team members) for the same things they kept lecturing him about. Ultimately, things ''don't'' get better for him as he fails to save his family ''and'' is betrayed by the Time Masters, and going into the second season, things just get worse. After a stressful six months working overtime to protect history, he ends up being reprogrammed into being a film student during the 60s who is then kidnapped and tortured by the Legion of Doom, before being brainwashed and turned on the Legends. When we see his subconscious, he's a terrified mess, and after being restored is wrecked with guilt over what he did. |
| 133 | ** Ray is clearly dealing with some nasty self-esteem issues, believing that his life was meaningless after he was presumed dead, a belief that can't have been helped by Stein's failure to remember teaching him or the reveal that Rip lied about the team being "legends" where he comes from. On top of that, he messes up a lot, is badly beaten and tortured in the fifth episode, was forced to adjust to life in the 50's before being taken away from that life, and has to deal with Kendra (his new girlfriend) still having feelings for Carter and his tech being used for a totalitarian police state in the future. |
| 134 | ** Sara is still coping with the aftereffects of being resurrected, with her bloodlust deeply troubling her. While she shows a cheerier demeanor here than she ever did on ''Arrow'', her past as an assassin still weighs on her conscience. All of this has taken a toll on her self-worth as well; when she starts developing a relationship in the eighth episode, she has trouble accepting intimacy because of everything that's happened to her. Additionally, as of season 2, she has lost both her sister, Laurel, without getting to say goodbye, and Snart. She's also trying to avenge and/or bring Laurel back to life by killing her murderer, Damien Darhk, knowing how slim this possibility is. She also has to deal with all this while - as of episode two of season two - being the Legends' new Captain. |
| 135 | [[/folder]] |
| 136 | |
| 137 | [[folder: Season 1]] |
| 138 | * AccidentalInnuendo: "Have you ever merged with a woman before?" Especially when you consider that Victor Garber is gay in real life. |
| 139 | * AntiClimaxBoss: Some fans felt like the confrontation with the Pilgrim wasn't as strong as it was made out to be. For starters, the ultimate time travelling assassin ends up killed by a child and has her body disintegrated by the team in a particularly underwhelming battle. |
| 140 | * {{Anvilicious}}: Some would say this of the "Night of the Hawk" episode, particularly the diner scene. Stein expresses nostalgia for his youth and comments that the town isn't so bad, to which Jax and Sara snark that it isn't if you're white, male and/or straight. However, as NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel was clearly in effect, the two had a legitimate point. |
| 141 | * AssPull: "Star City 2046" pulls out the TimeyWimeyBall to a level perhaps even worse than [[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E11TheReverseFlashReturns Eobard Thawne's "temporal echo"]] in ''The Flash'' that this show had to step in to explain. It seems changing the future is even worse than changing the past because it's always in flux...except "the future" is a completely arbitrary concept in the first place when you're dealing with time travel, not to mention the whole reason they're on this mission is to stop events much further in the future than they are here. |
| 142 | * BaseBreakingCharacter: |
| 143 | ** Some people see Jefferson as a ReplacementScrappy not only for Ronnie Raymond (while he was already dead when the show started, many people thought that he would be part of it when it was announced), but also for Jason Rusch (the canonical second Firestorm in the comics, who already appeared in the first season of ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}''). On the other hand, some prefer Jefferson for being more similar to comics Ronnie than Ronnie himself was (e.g. having an athletic instead of a scientific background, to contrast with Dr. Stein) as well as a more fleshed out character than Rusch (who was [[DemotedToExtra reduced as a]] OneShotCharacter). |
| 144 | ** Ray. For some, he's laughably naive when it comes the reality of the mission the team's on and his naivety is something that keeps creating problems for the team. Others, however, find him to be unfairly punished for being a WideEyedIdealist, making him something of ThePollyanna for refusing to give up on standing up for others. |
| 145 | ** Chronos had a fair share of haters at least at first for having little characterization beyond randomly showing up and shooting at the team, which some found two dimensional, while others just felt that they were taking time to flesh him out. Then we find out he's Mick Rory BrainwashedAndCrazy, and subsequently became RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap. |
| 146 | ** Rip Hunter for his questionable competence and his hypocrisy (like wanting to stop Savage from killing his familly while refusing to let his teammates save theirs) Some see him as a flawed but still likeable leader, others think he's [[DesignatedHero the real villain]] of the show. Which is exactly the same plot a certain other series his actor is known for has been using for ages. Some missed his presence in season 2 and were happy to see him return, especially after being [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashed]] by the Legion of Doom and turning into a villainous version of himself. Others were also angered that Rip quits the show at the end of season 2. |
| 147 | * BrokenBase: |
| 148 | ** Connor Hawke was announced to appear as the Green Arrow in the future but he ''won't'' be the son of Oliver Queen. Either that makes sense considering Oliver has only just met his actual son, William, over on ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' or William should have been Connor all along and ripping Connor of being the son of Ollie takes away a lot of his character. |
| 149 | ** It's even worse with the reveal that Connor is actually John Diggle Junior. To some, this means that Oliver was still in his life to some extent (and following the death of Diggle Sr,, Oliver would essentially be the closest he has to a dad), while others feel it's not good enough. |
| 150 | ** Surprisingly, there's a lot of debate among fans about the team's competence. Essentially, every time the team crosses paths with Savage (and sometimes not even then), a lot of fans start shouting how they could have killed Savage then-and-there, how Savage is defenseless, or how they just need to do X and could defeat him. The rest of the fandom though then starts having to fire back on how that's a terrible idea, how Savage's powers don't work the way they're assuming, or how he's more powerful than they're giving credit for. |
| 151 | * CatharsisFactor: The Legends brutally kill Savage in the first season finale...''three'' times. |
| 152 | * CrazyIsCool: Aside from [[{{Pyromaniac}} Mick Rory]], we have [[NotSoAboveItAll Professor Stein]], who gets in on the mix by [[SlippingAMickey drugging Jax]], and pulls a BavarianFireDrill on a bouncer at a terrorist meeting by claiming to be in charge (or at least part of) of the operational wing of a terrorist group called Scimitar with such vigor that he is let through. [[OddFriendship Rory loves this]]. |
| 153 | -->'''Mick:''' You're a special kind of crazy. I like it. |
| 154 | * DesignatedVillain: |
| 155 | ** The Time Masters are presented as LawfulEvil at best; they are just doing their job. While they take it to a combination of WellIntentionedExtremist and SociopathicHero, the heroes have done nothing but cause numerous alterations to the timeline that just seem to make Savage's (the man they are supposed to be trying to stop) [[NiceJobBreakingItHero efforts to take over the world that much easier]]. Add the fact that they never seem to [[AesopAmnesia learn from these experiences]] combined with Hunter’s vendetta against Savage being [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality mostly personal]] and you can see why the time police are so desperate to stop them. |
| 156 | ** Any fan of the TimePolice trope is aware of numerous consequences for the heroes' actions that make them this even more. For example a relatively minor alteration could end up causing the whole timeline to be RetGone. |
| 157 | * FountainOfMemes: [[DeadpanSnarker Leonard Snart]] is full of quotable lines. |
| 158 | * HesJustHiding: How some people believe to be the fate of Mick, since we don't actually see Leonard kill him. He is confirmed to be alive in "Left Behind." |
| 159 | * SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Creator/ArthurDarvill as the badass Rip Hunter is quite a distinct contrast from the lovable goofy Rory Williams he played on ''Series/DoctorWho''. And that's not even getting into the brainwashed evil Rip featured in season 2. |
| 160 | * HoYay: |
| 161 | ** Stein lists meeting Jax as one of the greatest moments of his life, comparing it to when he met his wife. |
| 162 | ** Leonard Snart and Mick Rory, who regularly refer to each other as 'Partners', and both express jealousy over the other spending time with others. "Marooned" in particular shows that Snart seems to hold a lot of affection for his partner, even in spite of their growing issues and Mick's on-coming betrayal that forces him to leave him behind. It's also worth noting that despite having been urged to, Snart can't bring himself to kill Mick. Then when the Legends extract their younger selves from the timeline, Mick tells his younger self not to "drop his future criminal partner" when he's holding a baby Leonard. |
| 163 | ** "The Magnificent Seven" implies a history between Rip Hunter and Jonah Hex. Jonah points out that Rip's coat used to belong to him and the team learns that Rip named his son Jonas after Jonah Hex. |
| 164 | * IdiosyncraticShipNaming: Leonard/Sara is Captain Canary, Leonard/Mick is Coldwave, Kendra/Ray is Atomic Hawk and Kendra/Carter is Hawkmates. |
| 165 | * InferredHolocaust: The Time Masters were working with Vandal Savage because him conquering the world was the only way it could withstand the Thanagarian invasion in the future. After the Legends killed Savage, they never addressed what Earth would do to stop Thanagar and it's never brought up again. |
| 166 | * LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Few believe that Snart would really kill his best friend - Mick. Especially since the episode ends before we see a frozen corpse. "Left Behind" confirms that he was not killed. |
| 167 | * MemeticMolester: Mostly used jokingly, as fans question why Dr. Stein had roofies in his office in the first place. |
| 168 | * MemeticMutation: |
| 169 | ** Did you know Kendra used to be a barista? [[note]]Both here and on ''Arrow'' and ''The Flash'', Kendra will often bring up how crazy her life has suddenly become. This almost always includes her mentioning how she used to be a barista.[[/note]] |
| 170 | ** "[[LeaningOnTheFourthWall This isn't my first]] Series/PrisonBreak." [[note]]Leonard Snart lampshading his actor's previous role.[[/note]] |
| 171 | ** ''[[{{Pun}} Of Ice]] [[Literature/OfMiceAndMen and Men]]'' [[note]] When Snart seemingly kills Mick for his betrayal and the inability to leave him anywhere he wouldn't hurt anyone. [[/note]] |
| 172 | ** "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIjlO_yw7WE Leonard Snart, robber of ATMS]]!" [[note]]Snart's BadassBoast is frequently hailed as the best line of season 1.[[/note]] |
| 173 | ** Snart's FacingTheBulletsOneLiner "There are no strings on me." has led him to be [[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron compared with Ultron]]. Only a matter of time before someone [[http://i.imgur.com/RV98yzO.jpg photoshopped the two together]]. |
| 174 | * {{Narm}}: |
| 175 | ** The number of times Kendra brings up that she was a barista before finding out about her powers. It's a little awkward the first time, but only became more so each time she said it. |
| 176 | ** Miranda's speech to Rip about love in the flashbacks of episode seven, ''Marooned'', was supposed to be heartwarming, but was so over the top and cheesy, it was more funny than sweet. |
| 177 | ** Having Stein express nostalgia for small-town life in the fifties in "Night of the Hawk" (see Anvilicious, ''supra''). As if Stein is not also a member of an historically oppressed minority, or as if Stein would not have had to worry at all about anti-Jewish bigotry in a small, rural town in the fifties. A later episode shows that he was born in 1950, meaning he would have only been a child at the time. |
| 178 | ** The team's brushes with real historical figures can be heavy-handed to the point of seriously bending known history to make them happen, like Bill Gates' father being a scientist rather than a lawyer, or HG Wells taking a trip to America in his childhood. |
| 179 | * NarmCharm: |
| 180 | ** In "Pilot, Part II", terrorists at an auction call bids by firing their guns. |
| 181 | ** In Episode 4, Snart [[LargeHam hams it up]] when Ray, Stein, and Rory have been captured by Russkies. |
| 182 | * NeverLiveItDown: Kendra mentions a few times in the early episodes that she used to be a barista but according to many she does it all the time. |
| 183 | * RomanticPlotTumor: The Ray and Kendra romantic subplot is widely hated for several reasons, namely a.) [[StrangledByTheRedString it feels rushed]] b.) one of the main reasons fans are enjoying this show in the first place is because it first appears to lack the relationship drama that is plaguing its parent shows, ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' specifically c.) {{Shipping}} reasons d.) many are interested to see Kendra develop on her own. e.) it ends up being pointless as Kendra eventually returns with Carter. |
| 184 | * RootingForTheEmpire: A large number of fans actually support the Time Masters and their attempts at stopping Rip's team for screwing up the timeline. Considering that Rip's team has been ineffective for the majority of their battle against Savage and ''have'' been interfering with Earth's timeline, a lot of people desire the Time Masters to play a large part in the show due to their more intriguing characteristics and [[StrawmanHasAPoint correct assumptions about Rip's team]]. [[spoiler: Until it's eventually subverted as it turns out that they were manipulating the team the whole time and secretly allied with Vandal Savage himself.]] |
| 185 | * TheScrappy: |
| 186 | ** Carter/Hawkman. Most cite him as boring, too serious, and overall just plain generic in a show where many characters have their fair share of comedic moments to work with the lighthearted tone of the show. He dies at the second half of the pilot, which made him even less important of a character. Even when he returns at the end of the season, he ends up having little importance for the plot resolution. |
| 187 | ** Kendra/Hawkgirl was better received than Carter at the beginning of the season, but it didn't take long for fans to start complaining about her RomanticPlotTumor with Ray, that consumed precious time of the season. Furthermore, after Carter's death, Kendra became the most serious, and consequently, least interesting character in the cast of Season 1. The MemeticMutation about Kendra remembering the whole time that she was a barista also didn't help. |
| 188 | ** The show's version of Vandal Savage is widely considered to be one of the worst villains in the Arrowverse. This started when the show [[CompositeCharacter combined him]] with the jealous priest Hath-Set from Hawkman and Hawkgirl's origin stories. This results in a RomanticPlotTumor that takes away much of Savage's trademark WickedCultured nature as the show instead focuses on his VillainousCrush on Hawkgirl. Plus he's not nearly as old (and thus less experienced) as the comic version who was [[TimeAbyss a caveman]]. While many agree that Casper Crump is a good actor, he is viewed as having failed at bringing the necessary menace to the role. [[OldShame Even the writers have admitted that]] [[CreatorsPest they ended up disliking the final vision of the character]] and have proceeded to subject him to several TakeThatScrappy moments later in the series. |
| 189 | * SoOkayItsAverage: Season 1, while enjoyable, it's considered by some to be the weakest show in the Arrowverse due to its formulaic scripts, arbitrary time travel rules, not to mention too much focus on Ray and Kendra's romance, with the weekly ratings being notably smaller than its two parent shows. Saying that, both ''Arrow'' and ''The Flash'' went through ''serious'' SeasonalRot during the season airing concurrent with ''Legends'''s first season (though, ''Arrow'' started this the year before and ''The Flash'' Season 2 has been VindicatedByHistory), making the show stand out as at least something of an alternative. |
| 190 | * SpecialEffectFailure: |
| 191 | ** While for the most part the effects aren't too bad, there are times when Kendra's wings can look rather iffy, especially when she isn't in costume, often looking like they are just attached to her back like they were clipped on. Doesn't help that it can be a bit narm-y that Kendra can sprout giant wings out of her back with no damage whatsoever being done to the clothes she has on. |
| 192 | ** Future Oliver Queen appears to only be old on his face, with the wrinkles disappearing as they get to his forehead. |
| 193 | ** "Night of the Hawk" includes a scene where Jefferson is being injected with some kind of serum. A shot from the side clearly shows the liquid from the syringe squirting past the actor's neck. |
| 194 | * SpoiledByTheFormat: The return of Mick Rory might have been a big surprise twist, if only Creator/DominicPurcell hadn't been given the PreviouslyOn narration for that episode, or if his name hadn't been in the opening credits of both that episode and the one before. |
| 195 | * StrangledByTheRedString: |
| 196 | ** Kendra and Ray. It's especially bizarre since the episode ''immediately previous'' to when it starts went quite a bit out of its way to assure us that Kendra wouldn't be tied down with a romantic plot after Carter's death. By the same token, Jax's crush on Kendra, which was focused on in the previous episode, had almost no build-up or reference prior, and they only had a limited amount of interaction prior. |
| 197 | ** For that matter, Kendra and Carter. The two hardly had any chemistry during ''Series/HeroesJoinForces'', where they were introduced, and since Carter was killed during the second half of the pilot and didn't come back until the end of the season, the build up of their relationship was relegated to flashbacks of their past lives together. Eventually, it seemed even the writers had realized they weren't great together; when the two left at the end of the season finale, vowing to restart their relationship, the other Legends watched them go and commented on how it wasn't going to last. |
| 198 | * StrawmanHasAPoint: ''Night of the Hawk'' has Sara meeting a closeted lesbian nurse in the 1950s, and the two become close. Stein repeatedly tells Sara not to give the woman hope, since differing attitudes are still half a century away, to which Sara snarks that she would've wanted someone from the future to tell her things were going to be different. Thing is, Stein was absolutely right. Sara was only in the 50s for a couple of days, after which she would depart and leave this woman with incredibly confused feelings and nowhere to vent them unless she wanted to be ostracized by most of the world's communities. 'Enlightened' Sara was actually just leading this nurse on with a reality she could never have. |
| 199 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: |
| 200 | ** The Pilgrim was hyped up to be the show's most dangerously competent villain, but she ends up being another VillainOfTheWeek who's easily dispatched. |
| 201 | ** The Hawks are depicted as figures throughout history who have had many incarnations, but the most we see of this is Kendra running into one of her previous incarnations and later [[spoiler:finding Carter's reincarnation]]. The show ''could'' have used this further, showcasing alternative versions of the pair much like it showed Vandal Savage throughout time, not to mention allow them to use ''alternative'' versions of the Hawks (including their Thanagarian incarnations Katar and Shyera Hol, given that Thanagarian technology is eventually used to explain ''why'' they reincarnate), especially as this might have helped showcase a version of Hawkgirl who ''isn't'' a FauxActionGirl. |
| 202 | * TooCoolToLive: Leonard Snart ends up pulling a HeroicSacrifice in the penultimate episode before the Season 1 finale. Too ''cool'' indeed. |
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| 204 | |
| 205 | [[folder: Season 2]] |
| 206 | * ArcFatigue: |
| 207 | ** It takes ''ten'' episodes for the Legends to figure out that the mysterious evil speedster they're fighting is Eobard Thawne. They could've figured it out much sooner if they had just bothered to ask Barry. It doesn't help that Martin Stein was ''there'' during the various Reverse-Flash encounters, as well as Eobard's true face being revealed. |
| 208 | ** Captain Cold joining the Legion of Doom. His return was well publicized but he didn't join until ''episode 15''! |
| 209 | ** There is also restoring Rip back to normal. After thirteen episodes, he is finally back. In their defence though, the first half of the season [[OutOfFocus focuses on]] [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools the new team dynamic]] and when they ''do'' find Rip he's only "Phil" for a couple of episodes, followed by a similarly-brief three episode arc with him as a villain. |
| 210 | * {{Anvilicious}}: In the episode "Invasion!" Cisco finally finds it in himself to let go of his anger with Barry for messing with time when Cisco messes with it by freeing a Dominator in the 1950s. He literally says he messed things up in his desire to make them better by changing the past. |
| 211 | * BaseBreakingCharacter: The Reverse-Flash. While he's beloved as the BigBad of ''The Flash'', some think it's out of character for him to mess with heroes other than his arch-enemy Barry Allen, who he's very obsessed with, and to meddle with the timeline prior to Barry's birth (as opposed to ''after'', which he does all the time). This is because he himself comes from the future and his powers depend on the Flash's existence and he was very touchy about maintaining both in the other show. Others just enjoy his presence, particularly since this is a "full supervillain" incarnation of the character while he mainly played the part of a manipulative evil mentor in the other show. |
| 212 | * BrokenBase: |
| 213 | ** When Felicity Smoak was announced to appear, many fans are either pissed because she's already a major SpotlightStealingSquad on ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' for two consecutive seasons (even on ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' on the instances she appears) and fears that she'll do the same here. Her fans, however, are excited to see her. |
| 214 | ** The base is divided over whether Eobard Thawne should return after he got {{Ret Gone}}d, ''[[JokerImmunity again]]''. Some argue that it's really time for him to stay dead for good, while others find him to be one of the most beloved villains in the Series/{{Arrowverse}} and should be given his chance to worm his way back into existence again. |
| 215 | * CatharsisFactor: After having been a smug jerk during his time on ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'', it's really nice seeing Eobard get his comeuppance by being terrified of, and later getting (supposedly sorta kinda) killed by the Black Flash. |
| 216 | * DesignatedHero: The JSA. They angrily and aggressively confront the Legends in 1942 in "The Justice Society of America", and start attacking them while the latter group is trying to explain themselves peacefully. They look down on and mock them repeatedly throughout the episode, and act like they are so much better than them, even though they don't do much to prove that other than that one fight which the Legends didn't even want to do. Vixen in particular spends most of the episode being nasty to Ray (and gives him a lousy apology in the end), and Rex acts pretty sexist to Sara, picking Stein as the leader solely because he's white and male. Also, they snark on the Legends for arguing all the time, yet they do a lot of arguing themselves. And, they happen to see advanced technology as proof that they are nothing but trouble. Throughout the whole episode, the Legends are made to look bad just to prop up the JSA. Meanwhile, the only thing that the JSA seems to have going for them is that, in Sara's words, "they have discipline, a fancy headquarters and calls from the White House." No one in that group comes up with an actual solution to the problems presented; the Legends do most of the work. Heck, three of them (Dr. Mid-Nite, Obsidian, and Stargirl) get little to no actual development at all. Meanwhile, Steel spends most of the time being grumpy, and Hourman and Vixen come off as jerks. |
| 217 | * EvilIsCool: In stark contrast with Season 1 who had the [[TheScrappy not-very well-received]] Vandal Savage, Season 2 gave us numerous badass antagonists. |
| 218 | ** The LegionOfDoom being comprised of Eobard Thawne, Damien Darhk (well, his 1987 incarnation at least), and Malcolm Merlyn, all of whom are previously established {{Big Bad}}s from both ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and ''Series/TheFlash2014''. |
| 219 | ** The brainwashed Rip Hunter shows the character's more badass and ruthless sides, gaining him more fans than ever before. |
| 220 | ** Leonard Snart is back and he's gone back to his villainous ways sure to the Legion pulling him from before he joined the Legends. He's as devious, cunning, and ruthless as ever. |
| 221 | * SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: For anyone in doubt of Creator/MattLetscher as Reverse-Flash due to having a ToughActToFollow with Creator/TomCavanagh's performance, he more than makes up for it in Legends where he's a full-out meancing, cunning villain. |
| 222 | * HilariousInHindsight: In the final episode of ''The Flash'' Season 3, which aired alongside ''Legends'' Season 2, Black Flash is easily taken out by Killer Frost, giving the impression that if Thawne had just asked to borrow Snart's cold gun he would have had much less to worry about. |
| 223 | * HoYay: |
| 224 | ** Eobard Thawne to Malcolm Merlyn in "The Chicago Way": "I knew that you were more than just a pretty face Malcolm". |
| 225 | ** Ray and Nate in Season 2. Their {{Bromance}} is highlighted in pretty much every episode by showing how they're always there for each other and all that. This is lampshaded in season 3. |
| 226 | -->'''Nate:''' Ray, can you hear me?\ |
| 227 | '''Mick:''' Can't go a whole day without talking to your boyfriend? |
| 228 | ** Ray and Mick become closer throughout the season, with Mick even giving Ray the cold gun and taking Ray on as his partner. |
| 229 | ** Mick’s nickname for Nate, from their first meeting, is “Pretty”. Mick literally never calls Nate anything else. |
| 230 | * LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: |
| 231 | ** Snart pulled a HeroicSacrifice at the end of Season 1, but people were heavily in doubt that such a beloved character would be gone for good. Lo and behold, he's back in Season 2 due to the Legion of Doom [[ParadoxPerson pulling a younger version of him from the timeline]]. {{Subverted}}, since he is later returned to his original point of time and thus destined to die for real. |
| 232 | ** Sara ends up shot and in critical condition with the crew losing hope at the chances of saving her life thanks to the loss of power when the ship is attacked. She survives and is back walking without a problem. |
| 233 | ** No one believed Amaya would be dead for good when Snart froze her with his Cold Gun and then shattered her. |
| 234 | ** Eobard Thawne is killed by the Black Flash, but since he was already [[RetGone RetGoned]] once and it didn't stick, fans are very skeptical that he's gone for good. [[IKnewIt He did indeed worm his way back into existence yet again]] as revealed in "Crisis on Earth-X", where he ended up on Earth-X with Harrison Wells' face, working for the New Reichsmen. |
| 235 | * MemeticMutation: |
| 236 | ** All women in history are lesbian.[[labelnote:Explanation]]A joke deriving from Sara's repeated dalliances with numerous women throughout history, including Queen Anne of France and Queen Guinevere of the fabled Camelot.[[/labelnote]] |
| 237 | ** "Fellowship of the Spear" spawned a tonne of ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' memes. |
| 238 | ** Sara Lance's [[http://transphantoming.tumblr.com/post/169388908593/supercanaries-sara-lance-smelling-opportunities "thoughtful lesbian face"]] whenever she spots an attractive single woman. |
| 239 | ** "Uh guys, I think we broke time."[[note]]A line said by Sara in "Aruba" after interacting with their Doomworld selves to fix reality.[[/note]] |
| 240 | ** Gang-banging the timeline. [[labelnote:Explanation]]In reference to the ''Flash'' meme of "Barry fucking the timeline", the season 2 ending scene shows that the Legends have broken time to such an extent that it makes Flashpoint look downright plebian in comparison, leading to jokes that they...well, gang-banged the timeline.[[/labelnote]] |
| 241 | * MorePopularReplacement: Nate and Amaya replacing Hawkman and Hawkgirl from the Season 1 lineup, who were heavily disliked for many reasons from a [[RomanticPlotTumor terrible character arc]] to poor acting. In contrast Nate and Amaya, were tremendously better received by the fandom for being more likable characters and being a better fit for the team. |
| 242 | * {{Narm}} |
| 243 | ** Any scene that has Nazis in it, because the attempts at speaking German sound absolutely cringeworthy to native speakers. Creator/NealMcDonough in particular has a horrible pronunciation. |
| 244 | ** In a big reminder of why Vixen was introduced in animated form, Amaya is inexplicably fond of using her gorilla powers over all other animals, simply to give the effects guys less models to deal with. |
| 245 | ** The several intros in Season 2 where the Legends tell the audience [[InsistentTerminology they aren't heroes and we should call them Legends]]. Eventually it gets a LampshadeHanging when Rory takes over the narration in a massively annoyed tone, ending with "Who writes this crap?" |
| 246 | ** George Lucas shouting ''What I really want is to direct!'', causing the time aberration that cost Nate and Ray their powers to go away. |
| 247 | ** Sara telling Jax to let a brainwashed Rip Hunter go free with TheSpearOfDestiny ''because it's Christmas''. |
| 248 | * NarmCharm: |
| 249 | ** The Justice Society of America's theme song, which doesn't fit the period in the slightest and sounds very much like Blake Neely is trying to beat Hans Zimmer at his own game. But it still sounds so awesome that hardly anyone minds, plus Zimmer being the regular composer for the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse adds a delicious zinger to the franchises' rivalry. |
| 250 | ** In "Land of the Lost" Rip kissing the human Gideon when he's trapped in his subconscious. He basically gets...intimate with his ship which should be pure {{squick}}. But thanks to some damn fine acting from Arthur Darvill and Creator/AmyPemberton it becomes surprisingly heart-warming. |
| 251 | * QuestionableCasting: |
| 252 | ** The casting choice of [[Creator/MaisieRichardsonSellers Maisie Richardson-Sellers]] as Amaya Jiwe, the grandmother of Mari [=McCabe=]/Vixen, [[https://twitter.com/MeisterMahnIV/status/746143377687777280 has been criticized]] due to the fact that a relatively light-skinned person is playing someone who is presumably from Africa, given Mari's backstory from [[WesternAnimation/{{Vixen}} her own show]]. |
| 253 | ** The casting of 76 year-old Creator/LanceHenriksen as usually young adult hero Obsidian has raised quite a few eyebrows. [[http://screenrant.com/legends-tomorrow-obsidian-two-versions/ It would later be clarified that Henriksen is playing an older version of the character,]] with Obisidian's [[TimeShiftedActor younger incarnation]] portrayed by the 44 year-old Dan Payne, assuaging some of the casting doubts. |
| 254 | * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: |
| 255 | ** The once divisive Rip Hunter earned back the fandom's love by season 2, with his evil Rip portrayal and how the team he assembled has become quite competent. Nearly everyone was saddened when it was announced he would [[ButNowIMustGo depart the team permanently at the end of Season 2]]. |
| 256 | ** Similarly, Damien Darhk, who had the misfortune of fulfilling the role of the BigBad for ''Arrow'''s most criticized season, and who was a pretty divisive character in general, was much better received as part of the Legion of Doom for having an interesting dynamic both with his teammates as well as with his resident ArchEnemy Sara Lance. By his final appearance in season 5, he had become one of the most popular villains in the entire Arrowverse. |
| 257 | * RonTheDeathEater: After the ''Invasion!'' crossover, a number of Flash fans turned ''hard'' on Sara, accusing her of hypocrisy for lecturing Barry on irresponsible use on time travel when she tried to kill Damian Darhk. This ignores that Sara was called out herself for these attempts and realized she was being reckless (with her lecture to Barry inspired by her own actions), and that Sara was ''far'' from the most vocally mad at Barry over it (not to mention, the main issue Sara and co had being that [[BrokenPedestal Barry, who is put on a pedestal by others as a beacon of heroic selflessness, should be above such non-heroic pursuits]]). This doesn't stop Barry defenders though from declaring Sara 'unwatchable' now for this, though. |
| 258 | * ShipsThatPassInTheNight: The ship of Ray Palmer and Lily Stein has gained a fairly large fanbase in a short amount of time in spite of their lack of interaction. |
| 259 | * ShockingMoments: |
| 260 | ** Leonard Snart's HeroicSacrifice where he stays behind to blow up the Time Masters and let the other Legends escape. |
| 261 | ** In "Fellowship of the Spear", Snart convinces Mick to join the Legion of Doom, and the Legion succeeds in using the Spear to rewrite reality. |
| 262 | ** In "Doomworld", Snart freezes Amaya with his Cold Gun and then shatters her frozen body to pieces. |
| 263 | ** The Season 2 Finale, "Aruba". Every single one of the Doomworld!Legends is killed off, except for Sara, who fades away once the Spear is depowered and the Legion is defeated. Then, just when it seems the team can have a nice, relaxing vacation in the titular Aruba (a CallBack to the Season 2 premiere; here, Doomworld!Mick kept on insisting throughout the entire episode that the team forget about all the time travel and the Spear and go to Aruba) they crash land in present-day Los Angeles, which has several futuristic buildings, Big Ben, and ''dinosaurs'' running rampant all over the place.. |
| 264 | -->'''Sara''': Guys? [[{{Understatement}} I think we broke time]]. |
| 265 | * TakeThatScrappy: |
| 266 | ** During his time as a film director, Rip laments the acting talents of the guy he cast as Vandal Savage, stating that no one would take him seriously as a villain. So basically, how most people felt about the ''real'' Vandal Savage. |
| 267 | ** In the episode ''Doomworld'' the brainwashed Sara snaps the alternate reality Felicity's neck after beating the crap out of her in the scene before. More then a few fans were [[CatharsisFactor watching the scene with glee]] as opposed to the horror that was probably intended. |
| 268 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: |
| 269 | ** Marc Guggenheim revealed even before the 2016 seasons of the Arrowverse began that "for the sake of my ulcer" the season's big crossover event would not involve ''Supergirl'' beyond Kara herself going to Earth-1 and joining the other teams. This means that at the time when Alex Danvers has just started accepting that she's a lesbian, she doesn't get to talk with Sara about it, or that Winn doesn't get to meet fellow {{Adorkable}} tech genii Felicity and Cisco. |
| 270 | ** The LegionOfDoom arc in Season Two, mainly because their membership is composed of [[ArchEnemy Arch Enemies]] of Barry and Oliver...and Barry and Oliver never show up to help the Legends defeat them, in what could've been a very awesome AvengersAssemble {{CrossOver}} -- especially since Barry is the one responsible for Thawne still being alive. Indeed when the Legion rewrites reality the Legends are kept alive each with their own individual FateWorseThanDeath while everybody from Team Arrow and Team Flash have been killed off as if they're simply not worth the Legion's time to torment. |
| 271 | ** The Legends visit Camelot; sounds like a good opportunity to introduce beloved characters Sir Ystin (Shining Knight) and Sir Jason (Etrigan), right? The two are nowhere to be seen, with Galahad being the only named Knight of the Round Table. |
| 272 | ** Captain Cold joining the Legion of Doom mainly because it look until ''episode 15'' for him to show up -- out of a seventeen episode season. |
| 273 | ** The {{MacGuffin}} for Season Two is TheSpearOfDestiny, an artifact which can be used to rewrite reality without damaging time. A perfect opportunity to undo all the negative changes caused by Flashpoint and bring Laurel back to life, right? Instead the heroes treat it as a case of NoManShouldHaveThisPower and the Spear itself produces a vision of Laurel to convince Sara to let go of her dream of bringing Laurel back. |
| 274 | ** Crossing into TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter, The Justice Society of America was hyped up prior to the season as being a ''huge'' part of the season, and being the ''original'' super-team in American comics as well as having multiple incarnations, the team only really appear once at the beginning (and leaves most of them under-developed as characters), and instead are explained as having disbanded to hide the Spear for Rip. Their history with Rip isn't explained and only Amaya (an original character) is of any real importance, and it appears the team ''only'' existed in the 40s/50s, rather than living on to the present day. Given the time travel element of the show, they could have met ''multiple versions'' of the team's line-up and showcased both older and newer members, but instead we get ''one'' version, built up of a limited number of members from different versions, and are all subsequently killed or sent to time periods where they're out of the way. |
| 275 | * UnintentionallySympathetic: The 1980s Secret Service was, like all decades' White House Secret Service since they existed, tasked with protecting the President and all White House officials from threats to their life and safety. They [[FailedASpotCheck had no idea]] Damien Dahrk was planning treason, assasination of Reagan and Gorbachev, or a massive bomb. After Sara's reckless attempt to assasinate Dahrk, they have every reason to assume ''they'' are terrorists targeting the White House, possibly connected to the USSR given the year. The Legends make it ''much'' worse because instead of trying to explain the situation or avoid fighting them like even the most AntiHero of them normally would fighting non-evil opponents (like the JSA), they shot their guns and blasts at them just as they would the Nazis, Time Masters or Confederate zombies. Realistically, the incident would have triggered a lockdown of the White House with the identified Legends on top of the terror list, which didn't really get explored. Sara was mildly chided for blowing their cover to Dahrk, but there would have been very intense conquences for what they did. They also didn't tell Reagan, Gorbachev or anyone in the area of Dahrk's real agenda afterwards. |
| 276 | * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Legends' treatment of Rory after he inadvertently leaks their plans to the Legion of Doom makes them come across as a bunch of real jerks. It's pretty obvious to the audience, and should be really obvious to them that it was a genuine mistake since he thought the Snart he was talking to was a hallucination, and yet they still treat him as though he was consciously selling him out. They also admit ''to his face'' to never trusting Mick even though he's been completely loyal and compliant since the season started (especially compared to how he was in season 1). It's really hard to feel bad for them when their behavior ultimately pushes him to do the very thing they accused him of and have a FaceHeelTurn for the sake of the one person who didn't treat him like crap. That even after all that, he ''still'' felt guilty enough to risk his life to try to make things right with them again only makes them look worse. Even worse is the fact that they did this ''twice''. |
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| 279 | |
| 280 | [[folder: Season 3]] |
| 281 | * AccidentalInnuendo: Played for laughs in "Guest Starring John Noble" where Ray says that he and Nora had a ''connection'' before adding he could ''get inside her''. Darhk immediately [[PapaWolf glares]] [[MySisterIsOffLimits at Ray]], before Ray clarifies he meant the ''other kind''. |
| 282 | * BrokenBase: Wally West joining the cast in the second half; there was controversy before he even joined officially due to concern about how well they could balance him, but now that he's part of the show, there's a belief that moving him to ''Legends'' cuts him out of ''The Flash'' and his part in the legacy, not helped by how often he talks about being the 'outcast' of Team Flash, which some feel is out of character. However, others point out that the parent show was the one that tried to cut him out in the first place and introduced the idea he felt out of place, and find his time with the Legends to have ''greatly'' improved how well his character was being written. The fact Marc Guggenheim is Legends' showrunner[[note]]which, due to how poorly received ''Arrow'' has been while under his pen, not to mention the fact that a lot of the {{transplant}}s from ''The Flash'' [[spoiler:were killed off in their time here]], results in him being subject to a great degree of scrutiny[[/note]] often comes up with this, particularly when people are criticising Wally's writing on this show. |
| 283 | * CrazyIsCool: By this point, it's safe to say that the entire cast - hell, the entire ''show'' - is this in one way or another. The Legends specialize in coming up with the most unorthodox plans and letting all hell break loose to save the day. It's hard to say where exactly it started, but the absolute undeniable high point is fighting Mallus and ''winning'' with a ''two-story-tall avatar of '''[[AscendedMeme Beebo]].''' '' |
| 284 | --> '''Ava''': This is insanity.\ |
| 285 | '''Sara''': Insane is what we do best, Ava. |
| 286 | * CreepyAwesome: Mallus. AncientEvil, DemonicPossession, NothingIsScarier. |
| 287 | * EpilepticTrees: |
| 288 | ** It's a popular fan theory that Gary was the unnamed agent who Sara seduced to get into their headquarters. |
| 289 | ** Mallus' identity. Who he is and what he is? Like with most Arrowverse villains with secret identities, fans have been busy coming up with all sorts of wild theories. Candidates range from reasonable like: Director Bennett, Vandal Savage, Savitar, and Trigon. To outright ridiculous like: Gary, Sarah Lance (Sara's original actress), deceased Earth-1 Laurel's spirit, and Beebo. Turns out none of them were right and Mallus is a completely original character with no secret identity. |
| 290 | * EvilIsCool: Mallus. A CreepyAwesome time-demon with the voice of Creator/JohnNoble who proves to be one of The Legends' [[KnightOfCerebus most powerful and dangerous enemies]]. |
| 291 | * FandomRivalry: |
| 292 | ** Though the individual fandoms of the two shows already butted heads, having Wally jump over to this show from ''The Flash'' pushed things further. Besides the Reddit pages meme-warring, there's a lot of arguing between Legends fans and Flash fans about which show he's 'best' on. Wally's 'basic bitch' line and some of his more ChaoticGood actions (such as getting drunk with Rip, stealing from and pantsing Gary (while drunk, mind) under Rip's request) have lead to some Flash fans insisting that the show is 'ruining' him[[note]]The fact that this show is ran by Marc Guggenheim, a man whose reputation among the comicbook fandom is really shitty due to bastardizing canon elements from adaptations he made in the past and also has killed several {{transplant}}s from ''The Flash'' in the past, heavily supports this concern.[[/note]], while Legends fans have generally adored these scenes. |
| 293 | ** One quickly developed with ''WesternAnimation/{{Vixen}}''. While Amaya is plenty popular, a large portion of the fandom misses Mari and dearly wishes she would make another appearance -- having not been seen since her guest spot on "Arrow", and have an adventure with Amaya. Despite being alluded to all season long she never showed up and the season finale effectively {{RetConned}} her entire show. Naturally fans were ''furious''! |
| 294 | * HilariousInHindsight: Beebo being a MemeticBadass became all the more hilarious when the Legends use the Totems of Zambesi to create a gigantic Beebo to [[KillTheGod kill Mallus]]. The fans were right, Beebo ''truly'' is a God now. |
| 295 | * HoYay: |
| 296 | ** After their friendship developed in season two, the tenth episode of the third season ends with Leo announcing that he's going to marry Ray and, when Mick is surprised, clarifies that he's going to be marrying his Ray, not "your Ray." |
| 297 | ** Nate and Wally have gotten a ''lot'' of this, particularly with Wally playfully teasing Nate's hair, lots of hugging, generally being happy to spend time together, and Wally openly telling him he loves him. |
| 298 | * InformedWrongness: The Time Bureau including Rip constantly put down the Legends throughout the first episode and sideline them for being loose cannons that screw up history as much as they save it and the viewers are clearly intended to side against the Bureau. However, the Time Bureau is shown to be much more competent in just that one episode at doing the same job than The Legends have ever been in 2 seasons, all the Time Bureau's criticisms are actually true as the Legends even outright proudly admit multiple times in the episode, and the attempts by The Legends to circumvent them only goes to demonstrate those criticisms true in the process and just result in another alteration both groups end up having to work to fix. |
| 299 | * LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Fans are not convinced Rip really died when he performed his HeroicSacrifice to delay Mallus. Especially given Gideon already said there was a minute chance of surviving. |
| 300 | * MemeticMutation: |
| 301 | ** "Beebo the God of War" has several of these. |
| 302 | *** Beebo. [[note]]The stuffed toy worshipped by the vikings as a god quickly became a hit on the Internet near instantly, with many making praises to Beebo and adopting "Beebo Day" as a replacement for Christmas. He was a hit with the Internet so much that the ''Legends of Tomorrow'' [[Website/{{Reddit}} subreddit]] changed their sub to be Beebo-themed for the Christmas season and referring to it as "Beebo Day". Every three out of five posts is somehow related to Beebo, they made a new Beebo flair, and all the redditors there have more-or-less formed a joke Beebo cult.[[/note]] |
| 303 | *** After the opening where young Martin Stein shoots a toy arrow with the ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' theme song playing, people started making "My name is Oliver Queen" monologues for Martin. |
| 304 | *** The Martin Stein [[MuppetCameo Puppet]] that Leo Snart uses for therapy. |
| 305 | ** Zari's use of [[CueCard cue cards]] to subtitle Mick and Ray's laundry room bantering provided an exceptionally meme-able image. |
| 306 | ** "Hi Annoyed, I'm Dad."[[note]]Damien Darhk cracking [[SoUnfunnyItsFunny dad jokes]] with his daughter became very popular.[[/note]] |
| 307 | ** Related to season 2's 'All women in history are lesbian' meme, calling the Waverider a 'ship of Bisexuals' owing to both Sara and John being bisexual, and the HoYay and LesYay moments between the different team members, with some assuming that either the entire ship are Bi, or at least that ''many'' of their romantic blues would be solved if they were. |
| 308 | ** "Make America Grodd again."[[note]]T-shirts and campaign badges now available[[/note]] |
| 309 | * MemeticBadass: |
| 310 | ** Beebo the God of War. Fans immediately started to treat Beebo like a deity much like the Vikings did. This reached its pinnacle once Beebo '''canonically''' defeated Mallus. |
| 311 | ** This trope reared its head again, when the ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'' crossover featured [[spoiler: several Arrowverse superheroes teaming up to fight a giant Beebo.]] |
| 312 | * {{Narm}}: For some reason, the crew thought it would be a good idea to make not one but two episodes heavily involving Mari [=McCabe=] despite not being able to get her actress on the show, which naturally results in both scripts tying themselves in knots to keep her completely offscreen. The finale's 'solution' for getting around this hasn't helped at all. |
| 313 | * NarmCharm: |
| 314 | ** The CGI used to render Mallus' true form is [[SpecialEffectFailure less smooth]] than that of, say, Grodd, but it has the effect of making him subtly unsettling to look at. |
| 315 | ** Beebo vs. Mallus is positively ''made'' of this. |
| 316 | * NightmareFuel: Mallus' DemonicPossession of Nora Darhk is downright disturbing. She gains black or [[RedEyesTakeWarning red eyes]], speaks in a chilling demonic voice, can [[MindOverMatter telekinetically control surroundings]], and performs an ExorcistHead for good measure. |
| 317 | * QuestionableCasting: Luke Bilyk as Elvis Presley. He can't play the guitar, his singing is clearly dubbed, and he certainly doesn't look the part. Were there seriously no better options out there? |
| 318 | * RomanticPlotTumor: |
| 319 | ** Nate and Amaya's romance. They both know it can't last since history dictates that Amaya will marry somebody else and have a daughter who will give her two grandkids, Kuasa and Mari. Yet they still can't keep their hands off each other. Kuasa eventually calls Amaya out this on how she's endangering her family. |
| 320 | ** Ava/Sara has gotten this reception from some; while they have believable chemistry, some disliked how much focus it's gotten as it takes away significantly from Sara's plot focus, much like the (also derided) romantic plots on ''Supergirl'' or ''The Flash'' last season. |
| 321 | * ShockingMoments: |
| 322 | ** Mallus revealing his true demonic form. |
| 323 | ** The Legends use the Totems of Zambesi to create a gigantic Beebo to fight Mallus! |
| 324 | * SignatureScene: Again, Beebo vs. Mallus, which minutes after it aired had already become one of the most iconic scenes of the show, and many people have commented that it is basically the entire show in a nutshell. |
| 325 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: |
| 326 | ** Grodd. Unlike Kuasa or the Darhks, he's vastly underused and unlike them he has no motivation other than causing chaos just ForTheEvulz. Heck, after his debut episode the Legends don't even fight him again until the penultimate episode. |
| 327 | ** Mari [=McCabe=], the present-day Vixen, who despite the origin of her powers being a core plot line of the season and the villain of her animated series being part of the VillainTeamUp for this season, is ''never'' used, with the show opting to instead jump through hoops to avoid it and eventually outright retconning her almost out of existence[[note]]or rather, retconning that she now ''shares'' the role of Vixen with her sister Kuasa, thus giving them a means to avoid using her in the future[[/note]]! Though there's an element of RealLifeWritesThePlot (Megalyn Echikunwoke being unavailable), simply recasting or making arrangements with Echikunwoke prior to writing the Vixen-heavy season beforehand would have solved this. |
| 328 | ** Rip Hunter, despite being one of the most well-liked characters in the show, is relegated for most of the season first as an ObstructiveBureaucrat then later imprisoned by the Bureau he helped create, and spends most of the season off-screen before performing a HeroicSacrifice in the SeasonFinale. Though his place on the team ''was'' pretty much void after Sara's promotion, this doesn't excuse why he couldn't have been a more active presence at least, especially after he became TheMentor to Wally briefly, and especially as the BigBad of the season is established as being his secret arch-nemesis. |
| 329 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: "The Return of Mack" not having ''actual'' vampires (even though actual zombies showed up last season) and being nothing more than a vehicle to reintroduce Damien Darhk, a character whom some fans now feel has long since outlived his welcome, back into the show. |
| 330 | * UnexpectedCharacter: John Constantine returning was a big surprise considering [[Series/{{Arrow}} the last time]] he showed up he was ExiledFromContinuity aside from one appearance. Even more so is he's scheduled to be a regular in Season 4 alongside getting his own animated show on the CW. |
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| 333 | |
| 334 | [[folder: Season 4]] |
| 335 | * AngstWhatAngst: The last image of Sara Lance in Arrowverse Year Six is at the deathbed of her father. This is never addressed at the start of Arrowverse Year Seven/Season Four of ''Legends''. |
| 336 | * SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: |
| 337 | ** Tom Wilson gives a beautifully soulful rendition of "[[Music/JamesTaylor Sweet Baby James]]." |
| 338 | ** In Episode 11, the cast performs an awesome [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpyuiN9FDV8 Bollywood musical number]]. |
| 339 | * CrossesTheLineTwice: |
| 340 | ** Ava mourning Sara's death in an alternate timeline is made hilarious by the sheer {{Wangst}} involved, dying her hair black and blasting emo rock at all hours. Upon learning the truth, she immediately realizes that of course something's wrong with the timeline if she's acting like this. |
| 341 | ** Neron Ray getting Gary to join him...by returning his [[BrickJoke bitten-off nipple to him]], and [[ARareSentence that description]] isn't even [[SerialEscalation the most ludicrous part]]. The nipple slowly crawling towards Gary? Gross. Him whispering "It's beautiful" in rapturous awe? Hilarious and beyond strange. |
| 342 | * DesignatedHero: All the Legends act like colossal jerks towards Charlie when first meeting her, trying to send her to ''hell'' without even asking any questions first and then imprisoning her on the Waverider and basically forcing her to become a member. Special mention goes to John Constantine, who strips her of her powers due to what basically boils down to FantasticRacism. |
| 343 | * FanPreferredCouple: Zari and Charlie as opposed to Zari and Nate. Many fans assumed that Zari is LBGT; she casually admitted to Charlie she finds her posing as Amaya hot and very pointedly did ''not'' answer Zari's question if she was staight, plus the two have natural BelligerentSexualTension and Zari doesn't have any kind of chemistry with Nate. |
| 344 | * SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Maisie Richardson-Sellers' performance as Amaya was already quite popular, but this season she really gets to show her range as the ''completely'' different character of punk rock shapeshifter Charlie. |
| 345 | * HoYay: |
| 346 | ** The first episode includes Mick meeting Nate's parents, with the scenes coming off a lot like Nate is accidentally introducing his boyfriend to his disapproving father. And then the second episode has Ray ending up naked in Nate's arms just in time to meet Hank. |
| 347 | ** With Sara and Ava now a full time couple, many fans picked up similar BelligerentSexualTension vibes between Zari and Charlie. The midseason finale ends with Charlie picking up on Zari saying her ShapeshifterModeLock form is hot. |
| 348 | * JerkassWoobie: Constantine may be blunt and insufferable, but at the same time he's also incredibly miserable and lonely because he's haunted by his past mistakes and plagued by his horrible childhood. |
| 349 | * JustHereForGodzilla: Let's face it. This season's main selling point is Constantine being a main character. The CW plays this up in the advertising even airing the animated miniseries "City of Demons" the week before the premiere just to drum interest. |
| 350 | * ReplacementScrappy: Neron to Mallus. Compared to how godlike and dreaded Mallus was, Neron just does not deliver the same threat level. |
| 351 | * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Even though it is just a [[OneSceneWonder short scene]], the reception to [[UnexpectedCharacter Vandal Savage's]] appearance in the Season finale has been universally positive due to how hilarious it was. |
| 352 | * TheScrappy: Mona is probably the most unpopular character in the series since Carter, Kendra and Vandal Savage in the first season. Most fans consider her to be a moronic and superfluous character who took up screen time that would've been better spent on either the previously established Legends or the new Legends who were more interesting, more competent, and actually contributed to the season's main plot. And the less said about her werewolf alter ego Wolfie the better. |
| 353 | * SeasonalRot: While not bad, fans consider it the weakest season since Season One for a variety of reasons: the much maligned awkward and forced romance between Zari and Nate which took the focus of several episodes (not helped by the natural chemistry between Charlie and Zari), too much focus on the Time Bureau employees at the expense of the Legends, ''especially'' Constantine the season's main selling point, the new character Mona quickly becoming TheScrappy (something that the series had managed to avoid since the first season), the writers constantly changing their mind at the last minute (like turning Hank into a JerkWithAHeartOfGold despite several episodes of setting him up as the antagonist which was their original plan), and a rather underwhelming finale which fans might've forgiven had the writers not {{RetGone}}d Zari and replacing her with her brother. |
| 354 | * {{Squick}}: The demon Neron's face is a vaguely head-shaped mass of pulsating holes. It's bound to make any trypophobe nauseous. |
| 355 | * StrangledByTheRedString: Zari becomes irresistibly attracted to Nate out of absolutely nowhere, in the second half of the season, without any foreshadowing. The fact that Zari was quite friendly with Amaya and was sick to hear the couple having sex in an episode of Season 3 does not help (although that last element works as HilariousInHindsight). |
| 356 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: |
| 357 | ** While Maisie Richardson-Sellers ''is'' beloved by the fandom, many think that she already ''had'' her time on the show and would've preferred Charlie to be furthermore portrayed by Anjli Mohindra, whose performance was very well received in her debut episode. |
| 358 | ** In addition, many fans believe that the writers wasted a perfect opportunity with the character Charlie, since her status as a shapeshifter means that she could perfectly be played by a different actor or actress in each episode, without the need for a new actor or actress in the regular cast. |
| 359 | * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: After his real plan is revealed the audience is obviously supposed to view Hank Heywood as redeemed...except that torturing magical creatures to make them docile enough to pose in an amusement park is ''still'' a horrible thing to do. At best, he's ObliviouslyEvil with a WhatMeasureIsANonHuman mentality, as his actions dip into SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil. |
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| 361 | |
| 362 | [[folder: Season 5]] |
| 363 | * AngstWhatAngst: |
| 364 | ** You'd never know that the season 4 finale had Nate being murdered by a demon who was possessing his best friend (before being resurrected) or that his father had been murdered by the same demon. His death is only referred to a few times and his father isn't even mentioned when they're talking about what they'd want to change with the Loom. |
| 365 | ** Only Zari seems particularly sad in the episode after [[spoiler: Behrad is murdered by Atropos, which is strange considering that he was best friends with Nate and Charlie, and Charlie is also related to his murderer.]] |
| 366 | ** It’s not brought up again that in S4 Ray was possessed and nearly forced to kill Nate, then sent to hell and tortured while his body was being controlled by Neron. The only nod to it was people on the street still confusing him with Neron, which still must be terrible that people don’t realize he was possessed and his image is ruined. After that, it’s dropped. |
| 367 | * BigLippedAlligatorMoment: After [[spoiler:Behrad's death]], the rest of the crew disappears one by one as Zari walks off alone. It's presumably meant to symbolize how none of it matters to her in the moment, but the show never does anything like it anywhere else, so a lot of viewers were probably left wondering if it really did happen somehow. |
| 368 | * EvilIsCool: Atropos is depicted as a truly terrifying, unstoppable force of nature. Joanna Vanderham plays with a very chilling inhuman air with her proving to be a KnightOfCerebus that darkens the tone any time she shows up. |
| 369 | * FanficFuel: Speculating on how episodes in seasons 3 and 4 went with Behrad having taken Zari's role in the narrative has become quite popular. |
| 370 | * FashionVictimVillain: Astra Logue wears tacky outfits and lipstick, which serve to emphasize that the [[UsedToBeASweetKid sweet little girl]] she used to be is gone. |
| 371 | * HoYay: Nate and Behrad get this a lot, even in the first few episodes, especially since we know he's an other-timeline substitute for Zari. |
| 372 | ** Ray and Nate's goodbye scene is paralleled with one of the greatest love stories in fiction, ''Theatre/{{Romeo And Juliet}}''. |
| 373 | ** In Freaks and Greeks, Nate (seeing a pattern here?) practically falls head over heels for Dionysus. |
| 374 | *** From the same episode, Mick trying to pass Lita off as Nate's child ends up sounding more like Lita has two dads. |
| 375 | ** In the finale, a drunken Nate wonders if texting Dion after [[spoiler: Zari 1.0 returned to the totem]] would come off as too desperate, which most fans consider confirmation of him being bi. |
| 376 | * ItsTheSameNowItSucks: One of the main complaints with this season was how glaringly it retreads plots from Season 2. Namely both seasons involved collecting the DismantledMacGuffin, with said MacGuffin being a [[RealityWarper reality warping]] object and [[spoiler:at the end of the season the villains succeed in acquiring said object and remake reality InTheirOwnImage with the Legends trapped in it in some form.]] Furthermore, the "Encores" ultimately felt too similar to the magical fugitive plot from Season 4 for some. And within a few episodes of her adjusting to being part of the team [[spoiler: Zari's story becomes about trying to bring her dead brother back again, just like in season three.]] |
| 377 | * MemeticMutation: |
| 378 | ** "This is my boyfriend Ray and his boyfriend Nate"[[note]]Ray taking both Nate and Nora to prom in "Slay Anything" led to many comparisons to the famous ''{{Series/Parks and Recreation}} gag''[[/note]] |
| 379 | ** #releasethezarliecut[[note]]A popular cry on Tumblr and Twitter after Maisie Richardson-Sellers revealed that a kiss between Zari 1.0 and Charlie was cut from the season finale[[/note]] |
| 380 | * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Behrad wasn't a Scrappy by any means, but his replacing Zari did not sit well with everyone last season. He has since gotten a warmer reception this season for his bromance chemistry with Nate and Ray, and his fun stoner personality. |
| 381 | * SugarWiki/SheReallyCanAct: No one doubted Tala Ashe's talent, but her performance like the two versions of Zari, with their differences even in the gestures and voice, was widely acclaimed. |
| 382 | * TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: When John Constantine [[spoiler:develops Stage 4 lung cancer]] courtesy of Astra, many fans of ''Hellblazer'' eagerly wondered if the show was going to take on the famous "Dangerous Habits" arc, complete with the iconic [[DidYouJustFlipOffCthulhu "Up yours."]] Instead, John [[spoiler:gets a Disney death in the very next episode, and the whole thing turns into a downplayed version of the CliffhangerCopout.]] |
| 383 | * UnexpectedCharacter: Considering how the show has strayed further and further away from using the comics as source material for characters and plots, a lot of people were surprised when [[spoiler: Enchantress]] appeared in "The Great British Fake Off". |
| 384 | * UnintentionallySympathetic: Kevin Harris, who films the documentary about the Legends. While he's certainly a pretentious ass, he did ''not'' deserve to have his film (and possibly his career) ruined by [[spoiler:the Legends claiming to be frauds.]] It's especially bad because they could have easily said no to him to begin with, with the same results (that is, having the Senate cancel their funding for refusing to cooperate)! |
| 385 | * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: |
| 386 | ** Ava in "Meet the Legends". She's doing her best to lead the ship in Sara's absence while her girlfriend is off dealing with the Crisis, but the problem is that she doesn't bother giving Sara a heads-up about the documentary crew on the ship, and she (along with most of the team) blatantly avoid the elephant in the room [[spoiler:(that is, Oliver Queen's death)]]. Not only that, but the condolence card she wrote for Sara was ''horrendously'' [[KickTheDog callous]], even for someone with NoSocialSkills. |
| 387 | -->"Dear Sara, I'm sorry the vigilante you slept with when he was already dating your sister [[HeroicSacrifice died]]. Some say it’s better to have loved and lost, but [[ItsAllAboutMe I hope you]] [[ClingyJealousGirl never loved him at all]]." |
| 388 | ** John falls into this after the first third of the season as his selfishness repeatedly gets people close to him hurt or killed. [[spoiler:It turns out that his desire to prove to Astra's mother that he was right to choose magic over her years before led to him using dangerous magic to try to resurrect her, got Astra dragged to hell and Astra's mother was DrivenToSuicide afterwards. In the present, his refusal to listen to Charlie because he wants to use the Loom to bring Natalie back to life again leads to the jump ship being destroyed, Behrad being killed, and Sara being blinded.]] |
| 389 | * WinBackTheCrowd: Season 5 was generally better received than the controversial Season 4. |
| 390 | [[/folder]] |
| 391 | |
| 392 | [[folder: Season 6]] |
| 393 | * SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: |
| 394 | ** "Space Girl" sounds uncannily like a real Music/DavidBowie song, in addition to being quite catchy. |
| 395 | ** Shayan Sobhian's rendition of Music/CatStevens' Peace Train. |
| 396 | * NauseaFuel: The Big Bang Burger mascot throwing up alien goo onto the ceiling of the Waverider medbay. |
| 397 | * TrappedByMountainLions: Sara's subplot being stuck on an alien planet really tested the fans' patience by deliberately being designed around being as obtuse about what's actually going on as humanly possible. Quite a few suggested it would have been better to just leave what's happening with her as a total mystery for a while and then having this whole story in one episode, rather than these aggravating breadcrumbs. |
| 398 | * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Kayla not warning Mick that [[spoiler:he could be impregnated if they had sex]] crosses the line of uninformed consent, which the show has yet to acknowledge. |
| 399 | * SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: |
| 400 | ** The animated sequence in The Satanist's Apprentice looks absolutely gorgeous, especially given the limitations of a television budget. |
| 401 | ** Gus Gus the baby alien is right up there with [[Series/TheMandalorian Baby Yoda]], with a team of four puppeteers making him especially lifelike. |
| 402 | [[/folder]] |
| 403 | |
| 404 | [[folder:Season 7]] |
| 405 | * {{Anvilicious}}: The season is as blunt as a hammer to the head with its Aesop's about how racism, sexism, and homophobia are bad. |
| 406 | * HarsherInHindsight: The final line of the last episode is Mike mockingly telling the Legends to cancel their plans for the future. The show was cancelled shortly afterwards, essentially cancelling all the writers’ plans for the future. |
| 407 | * SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Prior to this season, there was not a lot to judge Creator/AmyPemberton's non-voice acting talent on. Within just a few episodes as Human Gideon, she showed great comedic timing, sold Gideon's grief at having to relive her most painful memories and proved she has an incredible singing voice, to boot. |
| 408 | * StrangledByTheRedString: While fans tend to like the pairing overall, [[spoiler:Gary and Gideon]] getting together still came out of absolutely nowhere. |
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