Line #47 YMMV/CarmillaTheSeries


1	* ActorShipping:
2	** There's a strong following for Laura and Carmilla's actresses, Elise Bauman and Natasha Negovanlis, AKA, Negovanman. "Natlise" has also been used.
3	** Annie Briggs (Perry) and Sophia Walker (Mattie) also have a ship name -- Wriggs.
4	* AdaptationDisplacement: Go on Platform/FanFictionDotNet, you see Carmilla fanfiction under the book archive, but all the stories are aimed at this web series.
5	* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
6	** Are Laura and the others (Carmilla, Perry and [=LaFontaine=]) who fled Silas at the end of Season 1 a bunch of {{Cowardly Lion}}s who can be viewed as the DesignatedHero? Or are they [[OnlySaneMan the only sane people there]] for trying to escape while an ''eldritch abomination'' was breaking free?\
7	On the one hand, while obviously not the bad guys, they up and abandon Silas when a literal Hellmouth opens because of their actions, only returning after much hardship [[AllThereInTheManual only for a gnoll in a mountain to bring them "home" again]]. She also doesn't acknowledge the fact that the Summer Society, Alchemy Club, and Zetas actually stayed and helped to try and provide for or protect the simple, average students having no idea on what the hell is going on.\
8	On the other, the group had just been finished dealing with the already mighty forces [[spoiler:the Light and Carmilla's mother]] provided, part of which involved Carmilla, the badass vampire, ''very nearly dying''. It's hard to think of a way they could have fought against said Hellmouth when dealing with just a fraction of it was so difficult, and they had no way of knowing [[spoiler:that the abomination inside would get stuck coming out]]. Laura is genuinely remorseful about the state that everything is in, and her first response upon learning about the power struggle is to try and get some genuine authority involved. When that fails, [[ChronicHeroSyndrome she resolves to help fix everything]], despite all the crap she'd endured from the start of Season 1 and after. Also, the Zetas, Summers, and the Alchemy Club are so focused on fighting for territory that they aren't actually doing much good.
9	** On a lighter note, debate rages on in the fandom as to what the characters' specific sexual orientations are. In particular, whether Danny's a lesbian or not. (This tends to come up whenever her possible ShipTease with Kirsch is discussed.) Tweets from the in-character twitters of Laura and Carmilla about how Danny doesn't swing Kirsch's way or that he isn't her type, as well as it eventually being revealed that she doesn't return his feelings at all seem to point to her being gay. (Though some fans say that until they hear it from Danny's mouth, her being bisexual isn't out of the question.)
10	* AngstWhatAngst: One of the main criticisms of the finale is that [[spoiler:Perry and [=LaFontaine=] both seem rather blase about Perry having been possessed for months on end, the world nearly ending, and ''Laura dying''. (She comes back, but still.)]]
11	* BaseBreakingCharacter: Almost every major character.
12	** Laura in particular gets it the worst. To some, she's a sweet, brave, determined hero who only wants what's best for everyone. Others tend to view her as a selfish brat who abuses Carmilla.
13	** Carmilla herself is either viewed as a romantic JerkWithAHeartOfGold who is a good person deep down, or an unrepentant murderer who doesn't have it in her to care about anyone but herself and whoever she's currently dating (and Mattie). Related to the above, some find it a bit rich that she calls Laura a "selfish, callow girl" when Carmilla could be viewed as being incredibly self-centered herself.
14	** Danny -- brave hero and selfless martyr, or pushy, creepy ClingyJealousGirl who can't take a hint?
15	** Is Kirsh just a douchebag frat boy with no respect for women, or is he more misguided but well-meaning? This died down a bit after Season 2, when the show itself began to lean towards the latter.
16	* BrokenBase: After the Season 3 finale, the fandom became split into those who liked [[spoiler:Laura's redeeming Inanna (aka, the Dean), or those who found it ridiculous.]] Most people agree Annie Briggs and Elise Bauman's acting was good enough to pull it off, though, even if one does find it to be a bit contrived.
17	** Even more so between those who liked [[spoiler:the dean making Carmilla human again]] and those who didn't.
18	* CompleteMonster:
19	** Season 2: [[AristocratsAreEvil Baron Vordenberg]] is a member of the Silas Board of Directors, introduced as a kind, helpful old man, despite [[FantasticRacism his disdain for vampires]]. Once Laura gets him voted as the Chairman of the Board, Vordenberg immediately shows his true colors by ordering a detainment of all vampires and anything supernatural in Silas University. Vordenberg has some students, including Laura's friend Danny, recruited into his militia, and preaches anti-vampire propaganda. Ignoring the threat of a gate to Hell opening, Vordenberg has Lophiiformes killed, all to make a name for himself. He then intends to execute Carmilla and Mattie, along with any students protecting vampires; the attempted arrest leads to Mattie's death, which he takes credit for. After Laura starts a resistance against him, Vordenberg has Theo betray them and kill Danny. He has the other board members shot before preparing to behead Carmilla, in front of Laura and their friends, taunting them all to their faces while doing so. [[ObfuscatingStupidity Despite his doddering demeanor]], Vordenberg is [[ObfuscatingDisability far more dangerous than meets the eye]], with his claims of heroism being lies he tells to [[ItsAllAboutMe fuel his ego, and live out his fantasies of personal glory]].
20	** Seasons 2-3: [[OpportunisticBastard Theo Straka]] starts out as an passive, if [[JerkJock arrogant]], acting leader of Zeta Omega Mu, with an open disdain for the Summers and Kirsch. When Vordenberg takes control of Silas, Theo becomes a supportive soldier of the regime, helping with the detainment of supernatural residents and their allies. When Theo seemingly offers to help the resistance with Mel, he betrays them when Vordenberg offers Theo a deal to be his [[TheDragon second-in-command]]. Theo stabs Danny before her helpless friends, smugly watching as she bleeds out. Following Vordenberg's death, Theo becomes the new representative of the Corvae Corporation, working directly under the Dean--the goddess Inanna--in her plot to bring about HellOnEarth, only caring that [[ItsAllAboutMe he's in a position of power]]. Theo oversees the slavery of students in digging the gates of Hell, putting them through deadly and hazardous conditions, expecting his "brothers" to work under his authority. When a Summer sister makes a deal to benefit the others, Theo has her hang from her wrists above the first five gates, planning to drop her in.
21	* CrossesTheLineTwice: In the outtakes for Season 3, we find out what, exactly, the Dean said during her capture [[TakeOurWordForIt that was apparently bad enough to make Laura spit out her food in disgust]]. Annie Briggs was simply instructed to say "something gross," so what was the first thing she came up with? [[spoiler:"I gave Lola Perry a venereal disease."]] Elise Bauman just about chokes on her food, and everyone either cracks up or lets out a CollectiveGroan.
22	-->'''Annie:''' Too much?
23	* DieForOurShip:
24	** Laura, Danny, Kirsch and Carmilla all tend to get it from separate ends of the fandom. Thankfully, just a VocalMinority.
25	** Mostly averted in regards to JP. Even those who hate [=LaFlashdrive=] with a passion (usually diehard [=LaFerry=] shippers) find JP too darn nice to hate.
26	* DracoInLeatherPants: While Carmilla is by no means a villain, and certainly seems to have more of a moral compass than other vampires in the series, the fandom can frequently forget that she's "not the hero of this piece," and can go to far in [[TheWoobie woobifying]] her. Most interestingly is that for the first half of Season 2, ''Laura'' seems to give her this treatment in-universe, which ends up causing problems for them [[spoiler: and eventually leads to their breakup.]] Mattie gets this treatment, too. A rather annoyingly large portion of the fanbase refuses to blame Mattie or Carmilla for anything, even when they're clearly at fault, or acknowledge their flaws.
27	** Worth noting that Carmilla also literally wears leather pants.
28	* EnsembleDarkhorse:
29	** J.P., for his niceness despite his rather unfortunate circumstances, and just being kind of adorable. [[spoiler:This only increased after he got an actual body.]]
30	** [=LaFontaine=] is probably the most popular character other than Carmilla and Laura themselves.
31	** Kirsch, for being a lovable dumbass.
32	** Mattie, for being another cool vampire, AffablyEvil, and incredibly beautiful.
33	** Papa Hollis manages to be beloved by most of the fandom ''despite never appearing onscreen for the first two seasons''. When it was announced he'd be in Season 3, the fandom went ''insane''. When he ''did'' appear, he immediately won most viewers over by proving he can hold his own against vampires, turning out to be hilarious, and being remarkably open-minded and accepting all in his first two episodes.
34	** The Dean, in a LoveToHate kind of way.
35	** Mel became this after being {{rescued\|FromTheScrappyHeap}}. It helps that she's one of the few characters that's ''not'' constantly blinded by love, panic, or thirst for power, and is one of the only people in the Pit trying to ''do'' something about the Dean's plans.
36	* FandomEnragingMisconception: '''DON'T REFER TO LAFONTAINE WITH FEMALE PRONOUNS'''. Calling them "Susan" is also a no-no, ''unless'' you're referring to them when they were still willingly going by that name, before they transitioned.
37	* FanNickname: Tiny Gay Laura, Tall Gay Danny, Broody Gay Carmilla, Useless Lesbian Vampire Carmilla. "Dimwit Squad" for the entire crew.
38	* {{Fanon}}:
39	** In the first season, Kirsch's first name being Brody and Will's last name being Eisen. Both were {{Jossed}}.
40	** It's almost universally agreed in the fandom that Laura's mother abandoned her and her father.
41	* FanPreferredCouple: In the first season and the beginning of the second, [=LaFerry=] was almost universally preferred to the canon [=LaFlashdrive=]. However, as the second season went on, giving J.P. more personality and the introduction of Mattie, and thus, the very popular ship Permonde, more people are shipping [=LaFlashdrive=] than before, usually putting Perry with Mattie instead.
42	* FourthWallMyopia: The section of the fandom that tends to bash Laura for disliking and distrusting Mattie tends to fall under this. ''We'' know that Mattie (probably) didn't kill the newspaper kids, being well-versed in genre conventions and tropes and knowing that Mattie is a textbook RedHerring. and to us, she seems like a pretty cool, if morally ambiguous character. So, to the audience, it's rather obvious that Mattie isn't the culprit. ''Laura'', however, ''has no reason to believe that''. Between Mattie threatening to murder Laura the first time they met, attacking and nearly killing Perry in a fit of rage, and openly admitting to killing ''other'' people, from Laura's point of view, of ''course'' Mattie's the prime suspect. In any real life murder investigation, Mattie would be arrested straight away.
43	* FridgeBrilliance: The reveal that Kirsh's first name is "Wilson" suddenly throws a new light on his previous friendship with Will; considering what he's like, you can expect him to go up to him going "dude we are both Wills isn't that awesome?!".
44	* HarsherInHindsight: Kirsch comparing himself and Danny to Romeo and Juliet, [[AnalogyBackfire clearly not knowing how the story ends]], was quite funny. Not so much [[spoiler:now that Danny's dead.]]
45	* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: Not that Annie Briggs didn't get praise for her performance as Perry before, of course, but her performance as the Dean is ''stunning''.
46	* IKnewIt: Most of the fandom had called [[spoiler: Perry being possessed by the Dean]] by about halfway through Season 2.
47	* IncestYayShipping: There is a following for Mattie/Carmilla. They're NotBloodSiblings, but they consider themselves sisters, and they were sired by the same vampire "mother," so it still counts as incest by most people's standards.
48	* ItWasHisSled: Good luck finding someone who even has a casual knowledge of the show that doesn't know [[spoiler:Perry is being possessed by the Dean]].
49	* JerkassWoobie:
50	** Carmilla. True, she's a snarky, cynical {{Jerkass}}, but considering all the shit she's been put through in her 300+ years of undeath, including [[spoiler:watching her first love betray her after being convinced that she was a monster, being locked in a coffin under the earth for 80 years, and be forced to betray and send young girls to an unknown and almost certainly horrific fate]], she's certainly earned the right to it. In fact, Laura believes this of her in-universe.
51	--> '''Laura''': I just feel sorry for her, is all. I mean, the way her mom treats her, it's no wonder she has baggage.
52	** Also her sister, Mattie. Even though Mattie's definitely not a nice person, having casually alluded to killing people for fun, and threatening Laura and co. at every turn, she's still likable, and most viewers shed a little tear for her [[spoiler:when she died in Carmilla's arms]]. This is also helped when you consider that she was presumably put through similar abuse by the Dean as Carmilla was.
53	* LateArrivalSpoiler: [[spoiler:The Dean is possessing Perry.]] This is one of the most talked-about aspects of the second season by the fandom, and it quickly became ItWasHisSled within a week of the season finale. The third season trailer doesn't even ''try'' to hide it. For that matter, the Dean being evil, Laura/Carmilla being the OfficialCouple and Carmilla surviving the events of the ending of Season 1 qualify, too.
54	* LesYay:
55	** Perry and [=LaFontaine=] have enormous amounts of subtext to go along with the canon lesbian LoveTriangle. Although Laf being non-binary makes it uncertain if it qualifies as ''Les'' Yay.
56	** Mattie and Perry tend to get ''awfully'' close in some episodes. [[spoiler:Becomes IncestSubtext in a way when a few of their moments were likely when the Dean was out and not Perry.]]
57	* LoveToHate: The Baron and ''especially'' the Dean.
58	* MagnificentBastard: [[DragonAscendant Matska "Mattie" Belmonde]] is Carmilla's catty but loving adoptive sister and a representative of the Corvae Corporation, and initial chairman of the Silas Board. Taking over Silas in the wake of her mother's death, she does what she can to suppress Laura's coverage of events or put a positive spin on them. It was soon discovered she plans on setting off an explosion to bury Loppiformes as a pragmatic solution to her mother's operations. When [[EvilerThanThou Vordenberg]] becomes too much of a threat, Mattie drinks Lopphi's blood [[GodzillaThreshold to become more powerful against him]]. Despite her initial failures and death, her spirit returns as a servant of Ereshkigal, and helps aid the downfall of her mother. Correctly guessing how her mother's plans would fail, she appears again to taunt her over her failure, and a final time to grant [[ChessWithDeath Laura her life back if Carmilla could answer a riddle]]; one Mattie makes easy to guess out of compassion.
59	* MemeticBadass: Elsie, despite being only briefly at the beginning (as Carmilla's 'study buddy') and end (after being rescued by the Dimwit Squad) of Season 1. The production crew took this and ran with it, creating ''Hyperswag: The Elsie Chronicles'' and its sequel, ''Help Me Swag: The Elsie Chronicles''.
60	* MindGameShip:
61	** The Dean/Carmilla. And the Dean/Laura. And the Dean/Perry. [[spoiler:Especially the latter, considering the Dean has been possessing her.]] Actually, the Dean/Anyone.
62	** Mattie/Perry tends to be this in fanfic, too. [[spoiler:Whether it's Mattie or Perry playing the mind games depends on whether it's actual Perry or "Perry" while the Dean is controlling her body.]]
63	* {{Narm}}: The expressions Kirsch and [=LaFontaine=] make when [[spoiler: they are temporarily possessed are just too goofy to take seriously during an intense moment.]]
64	* NarmCharm:
65	** When Carmilla recounts her backstory from the novel to Laura in Episode 16, she frequently interjects with hokey asides using sock puppets. Sure it's silly, but it does serve to take the edge out of the trap of many monologues for being too serious. As it is, it provides a few laughs while Natasha Negovanlis' [[SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct genuinely engaging acting]] sells the scene. Thankfully, Laura herself stops the act when she realizes how serious she's being.
66	** When Will [[spoiler:punches Carmilla for messing with her mother's orders]], it [[FightSceneFailure looks about as good as you'd expect]] on a show with such a small budget. The drama is solid enough when combined with the fact that the viewer's likely used to the show's minimalism on one set that more than a few were willing to take it at face value, as many a Platform/YouTube comment can attest.
67	** The Season 3 finale is, if you think about it too hard, utterly ridiculous. [[spoiler:How does Laura keep living (and monologue-ing) for a good ten minutes after her heart gets ripped out? Did she really save the world with a ''hug''? Wasn't it all a bit too convenient in the end for Carm and Laura?]] However, it's very well-acted, and most people are too happy to see [[spoiler:Hollstein alive and happy]] to care, snarking aside.
68	* NotSoHarmlessVillain: Baron Vordenberg [[spoiler:following the debate. Of course, he's only accomplished this because the Dean allowed it, and once his purpose is fulfilled, he is almost casually dispatched.]]
69	* OneTrueThreesome:
70	** Plenty of fans TakeAThirdOption on the ShipToShipCombat by shipping Danny/Laura/Carmilla together.
71	** And now JP/Perry/[=LaFontaine=] is gaining some steam. Especially after their group hug in 2x19.
72	* PortmanteauCoupleName: With the last names.
73	** Laura/Carmilla: Hollstein
74	** Laura/Danny: Hollence
75	** Danny/Carmilla: Lawstein
76	** Laura/Danny/Carmilla: Hollenstein
77	** [=LaFontaine=]/Perry: [=LaFerry=]
78	** [=LaFontaine=]/Laura: [=LaHollis=]
79	** [=LaFontaine=]/J-P: It's a bit of a toss-up between "Armitaine" and "[=LaFlashdrive=]," but the latter seems more popular on Tumblr.
80	** Danny/Mattie: Belence
81	** JP/Carmilla: Armistein or Karnage. (This one's almost exclusively restricted to platonic shipping, though.)
82	** JP/[=LaFontaine=]/Perry: [=LaFlerry=] or [=LaFlasherry=]. [=LaFerry=] Family is also popular.
83	** Danny/Betty: Lawdorf (Which the fandom took and ran with, since calling the two tallest women on the show dwarfs appealed to everyone)
84	** Perry/Mattie: Permonde
85	** Mattie/Carmilla: Belstein (Yes, it exists.)
86	* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Mel's evident horror at [[spoiler:Danny's death, and admitting that despite the fact the two of them didn't see eye to eye didn't take away the fact she was a Summer]] has won some people over. Season 0 managed to turn around the opinions of the rest.
87	* RewatchBonus: Many [[spoiler: Perry]] scenes that may have seemed odd or even unlike the character now makes perfect sense when you go back and watch it with the knowledge in your mind that [[spoiler: in certain episodes, the Dean is in control of her body.]]
88	* RonTheDeathEater: Related to DracoInLeatherPants, detailed above. A large chunk of the fandom seems dead-set on making Carmilla out to be an entirely blameless {{Woobie}}, while portraying Laura as a selfish, abusive girlfriend. In spite of the fact that Laura generally means well and all the problems she causes are entirely accidental, and many of the actions she's hated for are things most people would've done (or thought about doing) in similar circumstances. Especially annoying when the very thing they seem to hate Laura for is simply ''having normal, human flaws''. (Even after some complaints in the first season that Laura wasn't realistically flawed ''enough''.)
89	* TheScrappy:
90	** Mel is disliked by near everyone which isn't a surprise given that her character is a huge {{Jerkass}} who doesn't offer any kind of help to the group, [[spoiler: actively hunted Carmilla when the Baron gave the order to]], dislikes Danny for her friendship with Kirsch and loathes Kirsch to the point of ''aiming an arrow at him with the intent to kill''. Not to mention it took until the penultimate episode of the season to show her in a new light. That said, that one moment [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescued]] her in the eyes of a lot of the fandom, and most agreed that there was hope for Mel after all. Season 0 finished the job, and Mel's now decently well-liked in the fandom, or at the very least tolerated.
91	** Theo, essentially Mel's Zeta counterpart, hasn't fared much better, due to his constant disrespect towards Danny and Laura, and how nasty he is to Kirsch. (Calling him a moron, mocking his crush on Danny, saying he's the worst brother the Zetas have ever seen, etc.) After he [[spoiler:went back on his deal with Laura and the Summers, and quite literally backstabbed Danny, killing her, without a hint of remorse at that]], he went from being hated to ''loathed'' by the fandom.
92	* ShipMates:
93	** Hollstein, [=LaFerry=], and Zeta Society are the most common ships to appear side-by-side in fanfic.
94	** Permonde and [=LaFlashdrive=] shippers tend to get along, too.
95	** Ditto for Lawstein and Hollence shippers.
96	* ShipToShipCombat: Oh, boy...
97	** Hollence vs. Hollstein. (Hollenstein being a [[TakeAThirdOption alternative]] [[OneTrueThreesome option]].)
98	** Hollence and Hollenstein vs. Zeta Society
99	** [=LaFerry=] vs. [=LaFlashdrive=].
100	* ShipsThatPassInTheNight: Mattie/Danny is surprisingly popular.
101	* SpoiledByTheFormat: Any tension that might have been felt regarding [[spoiler: Laura's apparent death]] in the Season 3 finale was instantly banished by the fact the Carmilla Movie trailer had already been released, [[spoiler: showing her alive and well.]]
102	* TheUntwist:
103	** Carmilla is a vampire! [=LaFontaine=] does some lampshading and LeaningOnTheFourthWall about this, saying "we all knew".
104	** And in Season 2, it's pretty obvious that the swanky mansion with a network of secret passages isn't really for "visiting professors". Which [=LaFontaine=] also called.
105	** When it was ''finally'' revealed for sure that [[spoiler:Mattie really was innocent and didn't kill the newspaper staff]], the vast majority of the fandom's reaction was, "Well, ''duh''." Unfortunate side effect of having a fandom that's ''very'' used to {{Red Herring}}s in murder mysteries.
106	** People were calling the fact that [[spoiler:Perry's being possessed by the Dean]] since ''the previews for the second season came out''. As the season went on, more and more people began to agree with the theory. By the time we were halfway through the season, about 95% of the fandom was on board. Most of the few people that ''weren't'' on board said it was because they felt it was ''too obvious'' and thought the writers must've been faking us out. Then TheReveal came in the finale. Cue cries of IKnewIt erupting from all sides.
107	* {{Wangst}}: A lot of people have had this reaction to Danny in Season 3, [[spoiler:especially her claims that no one cared when she died, when this is ''blatantly'' untrue. As one creampuff put it, she says this as she's draining Kirsch's blood. You know, the guy that ''snuck her body off the pyre so she could be resurrected''.]] That said, it's implied that [[spoiler:the Dean may be brainwashing her and she doesn't know Kirsch did that.]]
108	* TheWoobie: Almost everybody, at one point or another.
109	** Perry in particular will break your heart. She just wants everyone to be safe and happy, but is constantly surrounded by supernatural horrors that she's not really qualified to deal with. She sticks around for the sake of her friends, but she's a NervousWreck most of the time. [[spoiler:Oh, and now she's ''possessed''.]] Season 0 really cranks up the sympathy factor for her, giving some insight for ''why'' she's so afraid of the supernatural.
110	** Laura, come the end of Season 2. [[spoiler:Danny's death sends her hurdling over the DespairEventHorizon, and it just gets worse in the last episode of the season. She lost ''everything'' trying to protect everyone and make the school a better place, and was forced to go against her own principles and kill somebody in cold blood to save the love of her life. In the finale, she's completely traumatized from what's happened, and it's only Carmilla that can keep her from shutting down completely.]]
111	** Kirsch is also pretty pitiable at the end of the second season. [[spoiler:He was told he could resurrect Danny, his friend and the girl he loved. Good-natured fool that he is, he doesn't question this, and does what "Perry" tells him to do, not realizing it's actually the Dean in Perry's body. Then Danny comes back to life and he's completely overjoyed, especially when she kisses him -- and then "[[NotHimself Danny]]" ''bites'' him. As of the end of Season 2, we're not even sure if Kirsch is alive, dead, or [[FateWorseThanDeath worse]].]]
112	** [[spoiler:Even the Dean, in the end, turns out to be rather tragic.]]

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