Line #45 YMMV/Veep


1	* AccidentalAesop: What happens at the end of the GrandFinale. Bad politicians will come into power, but they will eventually be replaced and better people will be in charge… [[HereWeGoAgain hopefully]].
2	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
3	** Amy's meltdown/TheReasonYouSuckSpeech in "Convention" ends with her tearfully berating Selina because she believes that her incompetence will destroy the chance of any more women becoming president, implying that her workaholic tendencies and her manipulation of Jonah to get Dan fired in London is out of idealism.
4	** Selina at the end of the show. [[spoiler:It is revealed in the DistantFinale that she only served one full presidential term and her funeral was upstaged by news that Tom Hanks died. Was her dream a failure because she didn't have her team to back her up or [[HeroicBSOD did she lose the motivation to carry it on]] because she felt guilty over betraying her team?]]
5	** Jonah's increasingly idiotic behavior as the show progresses. Is it the result of {{Flanderization}} and warping him to give the writers a way to bash Donald Trump, or is it SanitySlippage due to spending [[DrunkWithPower too much time in the world of politics?]] The brief CharacterCheck he gets in the flashback sequence in "Groundbreaking" implies the latter.
6	** Is Catherine really any better than her mother? While she's a lot more earnest and emotional than Selina, she comes across as [[RichBitch being more than a little spoiled]] in the early seasons. Later on, she bursts out laughing [[spoiler: when she finds out Selina has had a heart attack.]] By the end of the show, though, she seems to have avoided becoming like her mother, since [[spoiler: she's a pretty clear [[GranolaGirl Granola Mom]], which Selina finds incredibly annoying]].
7	** Is Selina or Andrew the worse parent? Selina often treats Catherine with barely-disguised contempt, while Andrew acts nice but tries (on several occasions) to scam her out of her inheritance.
8	*** Catherine, for her part, [[DaddysGirl seems to prefer Andrew]], as she constantly gives him the benefit of the doubt even though she should know better, and is [[spoiler: utterly heartbroken when she finds out about his [[FakingTheDead "death."]]]]
9	* AluminumChristmasTrees: In "Omaha", Jonah giving a speech to an empty Congressional hearing room is played for laughs because it is quite absurd. However, this is something that happens often in real life. Real life Congressmen give these sorts of speeches to put clips of them arguing passionately about certain issues in the media, not to persuade their colleagues.
10	* AwesomeEgo: Selina definitely had this at one point. Notably, her egotistical screaming about "how these motherfuckers should be begging me on their fucking knees" has shades of this: it shows Selina at her most narcissistic. But at least prior to Season 6, it's hard ''not'' to root for her because of it.
11	* BrokenBase:
12	** To what extent, if any, did the show suffer after David Mandel took over from Armando Iannucci as showrunner?
13	** Selina's progressively worse treatment of Gary and Catherine in later seasons has had a mixed reception. Some fans still found it hilarious, while others thought it had become overly cruel.
14	* CatharsisFactor:
15	** After seven seasons of watching her scheme and claw her way to the highest office of power (throughout it becoming increasingly psychopathic and downright '''''evil'''''), there’s an almost perverse glee to be had in watching the DistantFinale and seeing Selina’s entire legacy basically amount to nothing. She’s reduced to such a point of irrelevance that her own funeral gets upstaged by another person’s death.
16	** After all of Selena's mistreatment of him, its a welcome sight when Gary snaps back at her attempt to call him out as worthless, making it so clear how much she needs him that Selena gives an exceptionally rare genuine apology.
17	* CrossesTheLineTwice:
18	** This gem of a quote in "Special Relationship," when Selina decides to "get the merry old fuck out of merry old England."
19	---> '''Selina:''' I need to be driven to the airport at [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor Diana]] speed. But more carefully, please.
20	** When the Nevada poll results come in, Selina demands that they cancel the recount "like Anne Frank's bat mitzvah".
21	** Selina on Queen Elizabeth II: "She's a fucking [[CountryMatters cunt]]." Note that this was shortly after the show's British creator left it in the hands of the American crew.
22	** Jeff Kane taking a liking to Richard in "Congressional Ball"
23	---> '''Jeff:''' If you were like ten percent less black, I could make you president.\
24	'''Richard:''' [[SincerityMode Thank you]].
25	** When the subject of non-binary genders comes up, Mike brings up a relative who went through multiple sex changes and reverses. Richard walks in the room and gleefully says "Like a turducken!"
26	* DiagnosedByTheAudience:
27	** Kent Davison is incredibly meticulous, reserved to the point of DullSurprise, exhibits some {{cloudcuckoolander}} behavior [[note]] such as his ostentatious workout wardrobe or his membership of a biker gang [[/note]], and has [[SesquipedalianLoquaciousness a high-end vocabulary]], extensive knowledge of esoteric facts, and difficulty empathizing with others. While the last one can be attributed to WorldOfJerkass, some viewers (and Ben) have taken these traits as evidence that he may be on the autism spectrum.
28	** Jonah Joy Ryan hints at having a learning disorder (what he describes as "dyslexia, but for numbers", which is why he failed algebra). Whether this is legitimate or merely an excuse for his boorish behavior and poor performance in school is unknown.
29	* DuelingWorks: (or maybe complimenting shows) BBC America started airing the original ''Series/TheThickOfIt'' around the same time ''Veep'' started (they did the same thing for ''Free Agents'').
30	* EnsembleDarkhorse: A lot of characters could qualify for this, but particularly Kent, who has attracted lots of fans for his obsession with numbers and data, as well as his deadpan delivery and inability to relate to anybody on an emotional level.
31	-->'''Kent:''' Catherine, America doesn't like you.\
32	'''Catherine:''' What?\
33	'''Kent:''' ''(thoughtfully)'' That sounded way too harsh when boiled down to a headline thought.
34	* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Iconic characters Ben and Kent do not show up until season two. Catherine is only in one episode of season one. Selina and her staff are more competent and less selfish and mean. However the last one is justified because a big point of the series is that desire for power leads to desperation and corruption.
35	* FandomRivalry: With ''Series/{{Fleabag}}'', thanks to Phoebe Waller-Bridge wrecking what had seemed for years like an inevitable clean sweep at the Emmys for Julia Louis-Dreyfus, which also would have given her the record for the most acting Emmys, instead having to "settle" for being tied with Cloris Leachman.
36	* FranchiseOriginalSin: Though Season 5 is often held up as just as good as the the Iannucci seasons, some have noted that several issues of the following two Mandel seasons ([[DemotedToExtra Amy being underutilized]], [[{{Flanderization}} Mike becoming much stupider]], [[KarmaHoudini Dan's]] [[IdiotHoudini inexplicable success]]) actually popped up in Season 5, before being made much more noticeable later on.
37	* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Series/HouseOfCardsUS''. Also to ''Series/ParksAndRecreation'' and ''Series/TheWestWing'' to a lesser extent.
38	* GrowingTheBeard: A more gradual case than most. The first season earned positive reviews, though it was with the second season that the show earned recognition for more than Julia Louis-Dreyfus' performance, with many noting the strengthening of its supporting characters and citing episodes like "Hostages" as a case for the show expanding its scope.
39	* HarsherInHindsight:
40	** Post-2016 election (although apparently not restricted to just the post-2016 political environment), members of the ''Veep'' cast have revealed in interviews that they've been told by members in the White House that their show is more TruthInTelevision than ''Series/HouseOfCardsUS'' and ''Series/TheWestWing'' are. RealityIsUnrealistic?
41	** Two episodes in season 2 deal with debt negotiations that fail, leading to a government shutdown. Fast forward to October 2013...
42	** The hostage crisis in Turkmenistan became a controversy InUniverse because the President failed to inform Congress that one of the student hostages was a CIA spy, therefore endangering the lives of the other hostages. In May 2014, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowe_Bergdahl Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl]] was released after 5 years of captivity by the Taliban in a prisoner exchange for the Taliban five from Guantanamo, a move of which Congress was not informed 30 days prior by the White House (Congress is supposed to receive 30 days' notice for the release of prisoners from Guantanamo). Not only is that a thorn in (former) President Obama's side now, but Sgt. Bergdahl himself has been charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy (for which his disappearance cost the lives of several comrades looking to recover him).
43	** In universe: The jokes made during the third season at the First Lady's expense become this when [[spoiler:she attempts suicide]].
44	** The fallout from a data breach haunting the woman nominee in the 2016 presidential election is something Selina Meyer and Hillary Clinton have in common even if the circumstances are different. Selina’s team was the perpetrators (they outed a little girl from Alabama as being HIV+ and got other confidential medical information trying to target bereaved parents) whereas Hillary Clinton was the victim of two data breaches. The first was from the Bernie Sanders campaign in December 2015 for which he later apologized and fired the responsible actors (like in the show). The second data breach(es) were on the DNC by, according to the U.S. intelligence community, hackers working for or behalf of the Russian government in their attempt to hurt her in the election. They stole Team Clinton's emails which were later disseminated across the internet and even used in congressional elections. Most of the emails were released late in the election before most people understood the scope of what was happening and were used against her till the end. While in such a close election (it roughly came down to about 78k votes in three states), it's impossible to say one way or another to say what exactly was the nail in the coffin but the stolen emails did a lot of damage to her image. The scandal is undoubtedly what hurt Selina very badly in her run as well.
45	** Jonah's anti-vaccination stances resulting in a deadly chickenpox outbreak is a bit less funny than intended because it aired shortly after anti-vaxxers brought back the measles.
46	** Likewise, the final season has Jonah's team realizing his rallies are super-spreader events for a national chicken pox outbreak. Cue 2020 when rallies for certain political figures were cited in the same way with Covid-19.
47	** The show's final joke has Creator/TomHanks dying at 88. Just a year later, he contracted coronavirus (he got better, though, as seen when he hosted ''Saturday Night Live'''s first "stay at home" episode).
48	* HilariousInHindsight:
49	** When she's on her book tour, a fan presents a butter sculpture of "the great state of Iowa" to a visibly unimpressed and flustered Selina. [[https://www.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/photos/a.495661567463.299907.69983322463/10152627550887464/ Cue Ted Cruz campaigning for the Iowa caucuses]].
50	** In season 4, Selina's campaign slogan was "Continuity with Change". Then, [[UsefulNotes/AustralianPolitics Australian Prime Minister]] Malcolm Turnbull made several references to "continuity and change", a fact that did not go unnoticed by the creators, who commented that they'd picked it because "it was the most meaningless election slogan we could think of".
51	** "Election Night" has an obvious stand-in for Nate Silver be repeatedly mocked as his predictions about the election go up in flames before his eyes on national television. The exact same thing happened to the real Nate Silver on the 2016 election night as Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton, who Silver had predicted for months would be the winner.[[note]]To be fair, Silver was actually more bullish on the chances of Trump winning (29%) than other polling experts who gave Clinton a 90%-plus chance of victory. Sam Wang was so confident of Hillary's win that he vowed he would eat a bug on live TV if Trump got more than 240 electoral votes (Wang did).[[/note]]
52	** Jonah Ryan racing against the widow strongly resembles the race between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. A populist with many exaggerated gaffes and little experience wins against a woman running for the position her husband once held.
53	** The Republican candidate in Seasons 4 and 5 appeared briefly in season 1, expressing his desire to build a wall along the southern border.
54	** Mike frantically racing to stop Selina from making public posts on Twitter seems positively quaint after Donald Trump's notorious constant use of it.
55	** The sixth season premiere has Ben meeting with Uber's ultra-progressive board of directors and getting fired for being racist. Uber's board is treated as heroic in this scene, but by the time the episode aired, Uber was embroiled in a massive series of scandals (several of which were related to misogynistic behavior by management and CEO Travis Kalanick) that caused several of its executives to resign in disgrace. Taking it even further, a few months ''after'' the episode aired, Uber board member David Bonderman was forced to resign after making a sexist joke during a board meeting ''meant to discuss how to reduce sexism at Uber''.
56	** Creator/JuliaLouisDreyfus and the main star of ''Series/HouseOfCardsUS'', Creator/KevinSpacey, were enemy leaders in ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife''.
57	** The clip of Kent and Ben trying to explain to Selina that she can't just order vote counting to stop got a lot of play during the 2020 election, in which Donald Trump made several attempts to do just that in various states he was losing, none of them taken the slightest bit seriously. Among the states included was even Nevada, the state Selina tries to stop in particular.
58	** One 2014 White House Correspondents' Dinner [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiDNjLfiPiU sketch]] had Selina[[note]](albeit in the end she breaks character to speak as Julia Louis-Dreyfus)[[/note]] meeting then-incumbent real-life vice-president UsefulNotes/JoeBiden, who shows her around the White House much to her delight, at one point eagerly sitting alongside him in the seats used by the president and the vice president, to Biden's puzzlement. Apparently, Biden ultimately thought the idea of a female vice president was swell, as he would run in the 2020 election with a female VP nominee, Senator UsefulNotes/KamalaHarris, and win.
59	** Speaking of the 2020 election, the show's in-universe 2020 election featured Kemi Talbot, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York turned United States Senator from New York who ran in the 2020 primaries but lost, only to be shown to have been elected President at some later date. The ''real-life'' 2020 election featured Kamala Harris, Attorney General of California turned United States Senator from California who ran in the 2020 Democratic primaries but lost, only to later being selected as that year's vice presidential nominee on the Democratic ticket and winning, becoming America's actual first female Vice President as opposed to Selina in the show. Kamala even actually bears a resemblance to Kemi. Plus, Joe Biden signaled early on that he intended to not run again in 2024 due to his age, potentially putting Harris in the same position as Selina (and Kemi).
60	** Pfizer is one of the companies involved in Tom James' conspiracy to stall the Representatives' tie-breaking vote. A few years later, their public profile was raised astronomically when they were the first to develop a vaccine for the COVID-19 pandemic.
61	** Laura Montez pretending to have Mexican heritage is quite reminiscent of when Alec Baldwin's wife Hilaria was caught having lied for years about being Hispanic rather than white (to the point it was revealed that her actual name is Hillary).
62	** Julia Louis-Dreyfus' role as Madame Hydra (the Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine version) in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse got many, many comments of being a seamless extension of Selina's story.
63	** Amy and Jonah would later play a married couple in ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats 2021}}''.
64	** In "Georgia", Selina threatens to destroy Jonah "in ways that are so creative, they will honor me for it at the Kennedy Center." More than a year after the episode aired, Julia Louis-Dreyfus [[https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/arts/julia-louis-dreyfus-mark-twain-award.html was awarded]] the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor by the Kennedy Center, which is considered one of the highest honors in comedy.
65	** It's almost scary how much Kamala Harris' presidential ambitions and then her vice presidency mirrors Selina's. A hyped up candidacy that quickly flamed out? Check. Having to accept the VP job from a guy she criticized during the primaries? Check. Accused, correctly or not, of only being selected due to her gender (and race in Kamala's case)? Check. A lame-duck vice presidency where she serves mostly as a scapegoat for the more unpopular positions of the President's administration? Check. Disliked by the public to the point where people openly talk of her being replaced on the reelection ticket? Check.
66	* MemeticMutation:
67	** Selina nervously laughing and muttering "What the fuck?" has been a popular reaction gif to use in response to something messed up, often with the captions "''nervously laughing'' What the fuck?".
68	** Mike asking Siri, "Siri, why does God allow suffering?", has also become a popular reaction gif for disappointing situations.
69	** "How could you let [[MemeticMutation this]] go on Tumble?!" ''"Website/{{Tumblr}}."''
70	** "Did you do it?" "Yes." [[WasItReallyWorthIt "What did it cost you?"]] [[PyrrhicVictory "Everything."]], borrowing the memetic ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' exchange to refer to the GrandFinale of ''Veep'', where [[spoiler:Selina alienates her allies in order to win the presidency and only afterwards does she start to wonder if it was worth it.]]
71	** There was a surge of polls asking if [[ExpospeakGag Arabic numerals]] should be taught in schools after Jonah used this to rouse his Islamophobic supporters. The (un-)surprisingly high results for those against it serves as evidence to ignorance and xenophobia.
72	* MemeticLoser: [[ButtMonkey Jonah]], oh so very much.
73	* MisaimedFandom: The Dan/Amy pairing is quite popular, although some fans believe that they should be ''happily'' together, which is not the point as the show depicts them as {{jerkass}}es who still act like jerks to each other in spite of how much they get along.
74	** Many actors on the show (Julia Louis-Dreyfus in particular) have admitted to reacting with absolute HORROR when young millennial females talk about how much they admire Selina Meyer as a feminist role model because she’s a woman in charge (some of the time). Anyone with even a CASUAL knowledge of the show will tell you what a terrible, morally bankrupt, destitute human being she is.
75	* MoralEventHorizon: Selina crosses it in the finale when she resolves to become president at all costs. [[spoiler:First, she gets Tom James's mistress to make false sexual harassment allegations against him to sink his campaign, then she agrees to ban same-sex marriage (which would annul her daughter Catherine's marriage) to secure Buddy Calhoun's delegates. Next, she promises to make the Islamophobic and dangerously incompetent Jonah Ryan vice-president. Finally, she frames Gary, the last member of her staff who actually cares for her, for Andrew's financial crimes.]]
76	* SeasonalRot:
77	** Though still seen as solid television, Season 6 was regarded as a step down from the show's previous years, with complaints about the cast being broken up for much of the season, with several favorites having less to do and/or being paired up with weaker plots and characters than before.
78	** Season 7, which has been criticized as the show's weakest year, with complaints about the shortened number of episodes making it feel rushed, much of the cast being underutilized for their swan song, and the far more blatant than ever parodies of real life politics. Interestingly enough, the series finale wound up being acclaimed as one of the show's finest episodes despite all this.
79	* SpiritualSuccessor: The show is a spiritual successor to ''The Thick of It'', including its spin-off film ''Film/InTheLoop''. Several characters in ''Veep'' are very similar to the American characters from ''In the Loop'', and a number of actors in ''In the Loop'' appear in ''Veep''.
80	* {{Squick}}:
81	** Selina tearing up her face and hand when she shatters a glass door by walking into it.
82	** Gary having a bloody nose in the bathroom after Selina reveals [[spoiler:she's going to be president]] while also trying to find paper towels for him.
83	** In Season 7, Jonah marries his former stepsister. He reasons that it's okay because they're NotBloodSiblings and their parents are divorced now... [[spoiler:And then it turns out that his stepsister ''really is his biological sibling''.]]
84	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Dan and Amy's individual arcs in Season 6 and 7 are criticized for DemotedToExtra and feeling out-of-character.
85	* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: At the end of Season 6, Amy reveals to Dan that [[spoiler:she's pregnant with his child]] and they have to figure it out. In Season 7, however, after Dan fails to notice her advances, Amy [[spoiler:goes through with an abortion and they ultimately see other people (Amy ends up with ''Bill'' of all people)]]. This sideplot is criticized for [[AbortedArc not expanding on Dan and Amy's relationship]], although the consistency of the two being horrible people is admired. The showrunners have also said they were very disappointed with how short Season 7 was and unable to do everything they wanted, which may have included more with this.
86	* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Every character suffers from ChronicBackstabbingDisorder or is incredibly naive and clueless. The title character, Selina Meyer, is willing to do anything to get elected, including supporting genocidal dictators abroad. The last season suffers from this even worse — Selina alienates her allies when trying to secure the nomination, and she's still considered the lesser of two evils when compared to Jonah... She nevertheless accepts him as her running mate. The last episode sees all of her friends abandon or betray her, with the exception of her assistant, Gary...on whom she pins some fiscal misdeeds of her late husband, without even having the heart to tell him. The last scene shows us her funeral, which is quickly overshadowed when Tom Hanks dies the same day. To twist the knife further, it is mentioned that for all of her efforts she only was President for a single term and it's not unsubtly implied that she is utterly forgettable as far as Presidents go.
87	* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Gary. The show presents him as a hapless [[ButtMonkey sad sack]] who is [[DoggedNiceGuy hopelessly in love]] with Selina and is [[UndyingLoyalty completely devoted]] to her to the detriment of his own well-being. So much so, that it's easy to feel sorry for the guy. However, it should be noted that Gary is a textbook enabler, going along with every horrible thing that Selina says and does, even as she get more horrendous over the course of the show. This is especially apparent in the later episodes where Selina goes out of her way to bully, abuse, and psychologically torment her opponents, and all the while Gary just stands by her side, smugly nodding his head in approval. Because of this, his eventual fate as Selina's FallGuy can seem less like a tragedy and more like a serious case of LaserGuidedKarma
88	* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: ''Veep'''s creators were adamant that the Trump administration would have no impact on the show's plot, but it's hard to see [[spoiler:Selina and Jonah running for President against one another]] in the sixth season finale and not be reminded of the 2016 United States presidential election. [[https://www.vulture.com/2019/05/veep-series-finale.html In this article]], Mandel flatout admits that Season 7 was inspired by the post-2016 political climate.

Context YMMV / Veep