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2	* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler: TheReveal three episodes into season 3 that The Magistrate's Son has possessed Alex since the Gibborim spaceship exploded halfway through season 2 is this. Was "Alex" the whole time since then really just the son posing as him for a LongGame, given that the alien prince is a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] MasterActor? Or has Alex been able to genuinely assert control of his body at times? The rest of the kids disagree on this. The show seems to imply the former, particularly given that the episode where the reveal happens is called "Lord of Lies"]].
3	* ArcFatigue: Jonah acted as a main villain, with the Runaway's primary goal being to stop his EvilPlan and try to make their parents pay for their crimes. Having this be the plot for the first season is fine. Two seasons maybe. Two seasons and nearly half of the third and it's exhausting. By the time Morgan Le Fay takes over as the BigBad five episodes into Season 3, the sudden shift from ScienceFiction to DarkFantasy makes it feel like a different show. The fact that the final battle between Jonah's evil family and Morgan's rise to power happens before and after a time skip certainly doesn't help.
4	* BrokenBase: The show's more [[AdaptationalHeroism sympathetic portrayal of the PRIDE]] is a source of arguments among fans. Some think it helps the show to make the parents more sympathetic while those against it feel they take too much attention and agency from the kids and think the more ruthless and evil versions of the comics were more interesting. Some fans also don't like how all of the PRIDE's crimes are excused by them being manipulated by Jonah.
5	* CompleteMonster: Season 3: [[WickedWitch Morgan le Fay]] is an ancient witch banished to the Darkforce Dimension, a realm of madness and torture that well supplements her own power-hungry cruelty. Once an enemy of the Minoru family who sought to manipulate Tina into stealing the Staff of One to further her dark machinations, Morgan reemerges in the present to bring Tina's daughter Nico to her side, escaping her prison and subjecting countless denizens of the Darkforce to death or insanity in the process of enacting her horrific will. Taking over [[Characters/{{MCUPRIDE}} the PRIDE]]'s resources, Morgan converts millions into her mindless slaves in a ritual to merge Earth with the Darkforce Dimension, intent on [[MindRape trapping humanity in endless nightmares]] as she reshapes the world to her pleasure. Along the way, Morgan delights in all manner of petty sadism, such as spitefully murdering Tina's husband; attempting to sacrifice Molly Hernandez by blasting her with lightning; torturing Alex Wilder for months until he kills a visage of his own mother; and killing Gertrude Yorkes in one BadFuture, thoroughly proving herself beneath all her justifications as a megalomaniacal, [[CardCarryingVillain proudly soulless]] bully.
6	* EnsembleDarkhorse: Much like Lockjaw from ''Series/{{Inhumans}}'', everyone loves Old Lace the Deinonychus. Especially popular is that the design manages to incorporate feathers like it's now known dinosaurs had, while still not messing too much with the classic image of them.
7	* EpilepticTrees: Right from the start, the show significantly alters the backstories of several characters, likely to preserve the same sense of mystery as the original run. Cue speculation over how TheMole storyline will be handled -- whether it will be the same person, what their motive will be (the original mole's exact motive is ''already'' out), whether they'll survive...
8	* HarsherInHindsight: In the series finale taking place a few years into the feature, characters briefly gush about the [[Ride/StarWarsGalaxysEdge Star Wars-themed hotel, which was still upcoming at that time]]. The hotel ended up [[https://wdwnt.com/2023/05/breaking-star-wars-galactic-starcruiser-closing-permanently-in-september/ closing]] on September 28, 2023, just 18 months after its opening, making this reference an UnintentionalPeriodPiece.
9	* HilariousInHindsight:
10	** The timing of filming the shows likely makes it impossible, but Gert and Molly rushing to put their hands on Old Lace can easily come off as a TakeThat to the infamous refusal to let anyone touch Lockjaw in ''Series/{{Inhumans}}''.
11	** Back in ''[[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Avengers: Age of Ultron]]'', Tony Stark jokes that Thor's hammer Mjolnir is designed to react to Thor's fingerprints. Here, this is almost exactly how the Staff of One works, since it's designed to react to Tina Minoru's DNA, and because Nico is Tina's biological daughter, that means Nico can also use it.
12	** Julian [=McMahon=] being cast as Jonah means that he's the second member of Tim Story's [[Film/FantasticFour2005 Fantastic Four films]] to join the MCU, the first being Creator/ChrisEvans as Captain America.[[note]][=McMahon=] and Evans had previously played Doctor Doom and The Human Torch.[[/note]]
13	** In this series, Tina Minoru has a sister named Judith. In ''ComicBook/RunawaysRainbowRowell'', it was retconned that Nico's maternal grandmother was named Judy.
14	** On the show, Creator/ArielaBarer is partnered with a dinosaur. They would not be [[Creator/LibeBarer the only Barer sister]] to end up [[WesternAnimation/MoonGirlAndDevilDinosaur2023 on a team with a dinosaur]].
15	* JerkassWoobie:
16	** Tina Minoru. She probably has co-committed multiple murders, is a very cold and judgmental to her living daughter and is something of a snob, but she is very obviously still grieving, and when she is trying to reconnect with her husband, she is shut down [[spoiler: because he’s having an affair and is planning to leave her]]. In Season 2, she tries to bluff Nico by threatening to no longer consider them family if she leaves again, and is devastated when Nico quickly agrees and goes.
17	** Victor Stein in this version is painted as more of a TroubledAbuser. His behavior stemmed from years of praise and pressure from the scientific community, and he's [[spoiler: SecretlyDying from brain cancer]]. He also seems to regret abusing Janet and Chase.
18	* LGBTFanbase: Loads of gay and bisexual women [[JustHereForGodzilla watching the show primarily for Karolina]] [[spoiler: [[JustHereForGodzilla and Nico.]]]]
19	* MemeticMutation:
20	** After the reveal that PRIDE's plan would cause a series of devastating earthquakes, after earthquakes were major plot points in ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' Season 5 and ''Series/TheDefenders2017'', jokes immediately sprang up that Jonah either framed Daisy Johnson as [[spoiler:"the Destroyer of Worlds"]], or he was trying to dig up "the Substance" before [[spoiler:the Hand]] could.
21	** "I lamp you," Nico's attempt to say "I love you" under drug-induced aphasia.
22	* MoralEventHorizon: See [[MoralEventHorizon/MarvelCinematicUniverse here]].
23	* {{Narm}}:
24	** Robert holding several people at bay with one of the Fistagons while stripping down to his underpants. It happens during a dramatic scene, but it's not exactly imposing.
25	** Molly doing a ThreePointLanding just for dropping a couple feet from a bathroom window.
26	** The Yorkes' over the top reactions to Molly telling them "Bite me." It feels a lot like the scene was originally shot with her saying something more like "Fuck you" and was then censored.
27	** Turns out Molly’s parents died because [[spoiler:they just plain didn’t notice an IncrediblyObviousBomb out in the open in the middle of the room. Even worse is that it could have made sense if Tina used the staff to teleport it inside, but apparently having a twist about who killed them was more important than making sense.]]
28	** Nico and Molly's absurdly awestruck reactions to Karolina's powers in "Earth Takeover," which honestly feels like the writers forgot they've ever seen it before.
29	* PortmanteauCoupleName: Nicolina and Deanoru for Nico / Karolina have both been seeing use on tumblr.
30	* QuestionableCasting:
31	** Thanks to getting revamped in many ways, several of the PRIDE members look very little like their comic versions, which can be jarring.
32	** That Molly doesn't appear to be that much younger than the rest of the cast raised some eyebrows, though this may be a case of RealityIsUnrealistic, as the actress playing her ''is'' 14, which makes her much younger than the rest of the cast, who are all in their late teens or early twenties. When the show actually premiered, people have stopped being baffled by her appearance and more annoyed by her DullSurprise acting for most of her scenes not helped by how the script writes her as a ShrinkingViolet.
33	** A lot of fans have complained that Marvel chose a relatively skinny actress to play the noticeably heavyset Gert. While the actress has some meat on her bones, she still falls under HollywoodPudgy.
34	* TheScrappy: AWOL is easily the show's least popular villain, for being a completely stock character with nothing interesting in the performance to rise above it. It doesn't help that he clearly only exists to give the Runaways something to do while the next storyline is being set up with PRIDE.
35	%%* ShipMates: Karolina/Nico and Gert/Chase.
36	* ShockingMoments:
37	** An especially strong use of the Staff of One causes Nico to [[spoiler:develop the same cracks around her eyes as [[Film/DoctorStrange2016 Kaecilius]].]]
38	** In Season 3, Morgan le Fay is revealed to somehow possess ''Darkhold'', the book that had caused lots of problems to [[Series/AgentsOfSHIELD Team Coulson]] for ''an entire season'' until Ghost Rider took the book and hide it somewhere in another dimension by the end of that season. How she could ever get it is never explained.
39	* SlowPacedBeginning:
40	** A common complaint so far is that the show takes a while before actually moving things along. As of the eighth episode, the titular Runaways haven't actually ''ran away'' yet, with the plot being instead focused on them trying to avoid their parents discovering that they know their secret, and each one dealing with meandering TrappedByMountainLions stories. It gets particularly bad when Molly confesses to the group that [[spoiler:the Wilders know she knows something]], but instead of using this as the pretense to go on the run, they instead argue before pushing Molly into a plot involving some bitchy cheerleaders.
41	** Essentially the ''entire first season'' is a ProlongedPrologue for the real story, though fortunately, Hulu had the decency to announce it would be getting a second season the day before the finale's release.
42	* SpecialEffectFailure: Zigzagged. In some shots the CGI model of Old Lace is not convincing in the slightest, especially since the show insists on intercutting it with the physical animatronic, although considering the show's budget it still manages to be surprisingly convincing in some other scenes.
43	* {{Squick}}: We get some agonizing close-ups of [[spoiler:Dale sticking his fingers into Victor's bullet wound.]]
44	* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
45	** Fans have not taken kindly to the ShrinkingViolet interpretation of Molly, the character who brought levity to a cast of angsty teens in the comics. Making her a ShrinkingViolet only made her blend into the rest of the cast.
46	** Some fans have objected to certain changes to the Pride, such as their more sympathetic portrayal, the fact that none of them fit the more supervillainous tropes they did in the comics, or the seeming change to the Gibborim as being a single DarkLordOnLifeSupport.
47	** Fans of the magical side of the MCU initially expressed anger over the Staff of One being yet another example of ClarkesThirdLaw. Especially since Doctor Strange had established magic as being a thing in the MCU, which Tina Minoru and the Staff had made a tiny cameo in. This no longer became an issue come Season 3, which reveals the Staff is indeed magical and that the Clarke's Third Law explanation was lie to cover up its true nature.
48	** The fact that this series is a BroadStrokes adaptation has made this series very controversial among the comic book faithful. Which is funny as this was arguably done so that the comic book fans would be kept in suspense as to what was going to happen each week.
49	* UnexpectedCharacter:
50	** Topher appears in Season 2. In the comics, he appeared in all of ''two issues'' before getting KilledOffForReal. It was known they would introduce a new Runaway, but it was widely thought to be Victor Mancha (the most famous non-founding member) as opposed to him.
51	** Also in Season 2, the appearance of Xavin, a character many thought the show wouldn't even ''try'' to adapt due to their comic book self being a Skrull and the character clashing with the tone of the show (not to mention having not appeared at all since being PutOnABusToHell in 2009). Albeit, Xavin's race was changed here but is still alien.
52	** Fans were caught quite off guard by the announcement that an adaptation of Marvel's take on Morgan le Fay would be appearing in Season 3. While the DoingInTheWizard alterations of Season 1 were later undone, Morgan le Fay was not one of the team's opponents or encounters, despite the presence of the supernatural.
53	* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Reviewers praised both Old Lace, for creating a mostly convincing dinosaur (especially the animatronic that physically interacts with the actors) on a TV-sized budget, and Karolina's iridescent form.
54	* TheWoobie:
55	** It's not hard to feel sorry for Frank Dean a loving father and husband who is kept in the dark of his wife's crimes, is being cheated on, and had his memory wiped after witnessing that. [[spoiler: Especially now that the audience knows he is not Karolina's biological father.]]
56	** Poor Andre. He's the same age as the main characters and highly intelligent and tech-savvy, but his loyalty lies in Darius because he has no other family. Alex shoots him to save his father but clearly doesn't want to kill the boy. Geoffery promises to get Andre help, but Alex knows he's just going to be another PRIDE sacrifice. And since PRIDE moved their base of operations, the kids are unable to save him. You can't help but feel bad for the poor kid whose skills could have taken him far if he had a better upbringing.
57	* WTHCostumingDepartment:
58	** Nico's [[https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/5/5c/R207_Nico_Superhero_Landing.png/revision/latest?cb=20190201203018 bizarre quasi-Victorian gown]] (a replica of [[https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/068nmi_com_inl_01.jpg one of her outfits]] [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/0/77/238350-133274-nico-minoru.jpg from the comics]]) in "Last Rites," especially with her thinking it's what she should wear to what seems to be their final battle.
59	** Morgan's {{Stripperific}} costume in Season 3 leaves ''very'' little to the imagination and looks incredibly impractical (not to mention uncomfortable).

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