Line #88 WMG/EventHorizon


1	[[WMG: Something is [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou very,]] [[BrownNote VERY]] wrong with the movie's deleted footage]]
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3	It would explain why it was destroyed, and why [[GoMadFromTheRevelation no eyewitness accounts from the original test audience can be found]].
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5	* Those scenes must have been written by [[Film/InTheMouthOfMadness Sutter Cane.]] It explains [[Creator/SamNeill John Trent]]'s presence here under a new identity. He recycled the character!
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7	* Or since every one says its a Warhammer prequel somehow the filmmakers managed to pierce the veil of reality and somehow ''Actual'' Chaos Daemons and small other bits of Chaos began appearing on set. Although this would make Creator/SamNeill an actual Chaos Lord, oh god...
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9	* The footage was stored in a salt mine in hopes that the purifying nature of salt would purge whatever evil had inhabited it. That's why it's so badly degraded - the evil was expelled, destroying the film in the process.
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11	[[WMG: The ''Event Horizon'' itself [[VillainDecay isn't so bad anymore]]]]
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13	When the side of the ship that contained the gateway was destroyed, [[NoOntologicalInertia it got rid of most of the evil on the ship.]] The final hallucination scene and the door closing were the result of residual hellish energy residing in the crew quarters.
14	** The hallucination could have also simply been a nightmare that Starck had as she was coming out of stasis. Let's face it, the survivors are probably going to be having nightmares and [=PTSD=]-induced flashbacks for the rest of their lives.
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16	[[WMG: The "realm" that the ''Event Horizon'' traveled to was [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons The Abyss]]]]
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18	Weir defined it as a dimension of "Pure chaos and evil"
19	* No, it was the eponymous Deadlands from TabletopGame/{{Deadlands}}. The Deadlands canon actually features a similar ship going through a hell-jump with the player characters on board, but, being hardened demon-hunting vets, they survive and emerge in the Magellanic Clouds with their sanity intact. [[HumanSacrifice Well, most]] [[IDidWhatIHadToDo of them]]: you have to feed one of the heroes to the ship for the drive to start.
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21	[[WMG: The "realm" that the ''Event Horizon'' really traveled to was ''[[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} the WARP!!!]]'']]
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23	[[ChaosIsEvil THINK]] ABOUT [[HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace IT!!!]]
24	%%Sheesh, calm down.
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26	Partially-confirmed... sorta. [[https://twitter.com/phubar/status/860129292151214082 Screenwriter acknowledged the setting's substantial influence on the film.]]
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28	[[WMG: The hyperspace/hell that characters saw is the [[Series/DoctorWho Untempered Schism]] or what [[Series/DoctorWho the Toclafane]] saw.]]
29	First: The untempered Schism is something that is shown to all JustForFun/{{Time Lord}}s and somehow connects with time travel (possibly part of the Vortex). It often drives Time Lords minorly insane in different ways, and from what happened to [[spoiler: Donna]] we know that a Time Lord mind is much stronger and more powerful than a human mind, so it probably just blew all their minds away.
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31	Second: Just like the crew of the ''Event Horizon'', the Toclafane saw something so horrific that they mutilated themselves almost into non-existence. Given that the Toclafane lived at the end of the universe, what they saw was whatever was in Event Horizon when the universe fell apart and it could get into our reality.
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33	[[WMG: The Movie is set in its own self-contained universe independent of other franchises and properties unless officially stated otherwise by the parent company.]]
34	Bet you didn't think of that.
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36	* Hmm, dunno man. That's quite a bit far fetched; even for a WMG entry...
37	[[WMG: The film is a BroadStrokes-sequel to ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey'']]
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39	[[WMG: [[ShoutOut Where we're]] [[HyperSpaceIsAScaryPlace going we]] [[EyeScream won't]] [[TheBlank need]] eyes.]]
40	Prove me wrong.
41	* Prove what wrong?
42	* [[Film/BackToTheFuture1 I thought the exact same thing.]]
43	* So why does Weir get his eyes back?
44	* Because where he's at he still needs them.
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46	[[WMG: Weir is a [[TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening Scelestus]] ]]
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48	He's being manipulated by an abyssal being. It was him that activated the portal remotely using magic. An abyssal entity is the thing that possessed the ''Event Horizon''. The film takes place in the far future of the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness''.
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50	[[WMG: Weir is a [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension Nephandus]].]]
51	The crew of the ''Lewis & Clark'' are sleepers, and Weir was orginally a [[PostModernMagick Void Engineer]] sent by the [[AncientConspiracy Technocracy]] to check out the ''Event Horizon'' after a trip through the Umbra. Unfortunately, the mini-singularity he designed proved to be an inadvertant [[MaximumFunChamber Caul]]. Normal sleepers going through it just get [[MindRape regularly mind raped]]. Weir, going in on the other hand, makes him [[FaceMonsterTurn rethink his allegiances somewhat...]]
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53	[[WMG: The ''Event Horizon'' found a passageway directly into [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse Malfeas]], possibly into the Black Spiral Labyrinth itself.]]
54	The Event Horizon stumbled upon a Deep Umbral passageway into the Black Spiral Labyrinth, which would explain the mental and spiritual deterioration of its crewmembers, as well as Weir's physical changes.
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56	[[WMG: The portal released [[Literature/{{IT}} Pennywise]] from the outer void ]]
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58	Pennywise didn't die. Rather, it faked it's own death and lived on into the distant future. Alternatively, the supernatural force possessing the ship is another one of Pennywise's species. It also seems to feed on violence and fear, and uses hallucinations to snare its prey.
59	* Note that in the book, the kids discovered that IT came from somewhere much further than outer space, but IT may have travelled through outer space to get to Earth. Seems to fit.
60	* In other words, the "dimension of pure chaos" was the Deadlights.
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62	----
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64	[[WMG: Alternative idea. All of the "supernatural" weirdness was, pure hallucination, brought about by gravitational distortions rippling through the ship and playing merry hob with the crews' neurons. Traveling through hyperspace isn't an actual alternate dimension that resembles Dante's hell; it just drives you completely crazy.]]
65	* Plus, it resembles Dante's hell because that's what the characters ''envision'' it to be like through their cultural upbringing; if you sent a crew with entirely different cultural beliefs about 'hell', they'd see something different.
66	* A nicely plausible theory! Since ghost hunters do, in fact, theorize that strong magnetic/gravitational distortions account for most terrestrial hauntings, it's not too much of a stretch to think the core might have caused that. It perfectly explains why [[spoiler: Miller has visions about leaving behind his crewmen, even though he'd never told anyone else.]] Would have been nice if the film tossed that theory out!
67	* An explanation to how Dr. Weir could navigate the Event Horizon without eyes, he designed the ship and knew every corner of it. Similarly, where did he [[spoiler: plant the bomb that blows up the ''Lewis and Clark'']]? Near the entrance in one of the lockers because he couldn't navigate deeper into that ship blindly.
68	* There is also a throwaway line at the start where Starck notes "the air tastes bad" due to the [=CO2=] scrubbers being compromised, even using some spare scrubbers only gives them roughly about 20 hours of breathable air before they reach PointOfNoReturn, high amounts of [=CO2=] have been known to cause hallucinations, remember, the ship is never shown to ''directly'' cause deaths, every single death or near death was caused by the crew doing something (Justin activated the airlock, Peters just stepped out into open air, and Weir was the one who put explosives on the Lewis & Clarke as well as killing D.J) the only one that kind of grinds it to a halt is Weir then Reappearing after his "death", but, Nobody except Miller directly saw that part, so it could just be that the ship is going through massive failure due to being affected by Neptures gravity, causing the fire and explosions and Miller just Hallucinating Demon!Weir, due to Miller blaming Weir for his crews misfortunes and deaths, not only that but when describing the effects of an Ion Drive, D.J mentions the forces would liquify you if not in the Stasis Gel, so imagine to forces involved in an attempt at FTL travel without Stasis Gel, then look at the windows on the Bridge.
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70	[[WMG: The lost ''Event Horizon'' and ''Lewis and Clark'' crewmen became Reavers.]]
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72	--->''"If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing - and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order."''
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74	* Pretty darned close to what happened on ''Even Horizon'', isn't it? Perhaps the ''Event Horizon'' can travel through time ''and'' space, and spend its missing years on the fringes of ''Series/{{Firefly}}'s'' known universe...
75	* Except that the actual explanation for the creation of the Reavers is given in ''[[TheMovie Serenity]]'', and it has nothing to do with crazy hell-dimension portals.
76	** And you believed that explanation why?
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78	[[WMG: Dr. Weir is a [[Franchise/{{Hellraiser}} Cenobite.]]]]
79	This is actually a pretty widespread assumption. Dr. Weir even becomes a Cenobite for the same reasons others do: deep emotional pain. And the "Hell dimension" features a ton of Creator/CliveBarker-like leather, barbs, and so forth. Weir has the same BodyHorror fascination, too.
80	** It's my belief that ''Event Horizon'' proves that ''Hellraiser'' and ''Warhammer'' take place in the same universe.
81	** There ''is'' [[TraumaCongaLine that one scene]] where [[spoiler:Weir's wife]] says "I have such wonderful, wonderful things to show you"... sure sounds a lot like a certain brooding, pale gent in black leather's "we have such sights to show you".
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83	[[WMG: ''Event Horizon'' is set in the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' universe.]]
84	In the ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode "Random Thoughts", we get to see all the violent thoughts in Tuvok's mind. Among them are three images from ''Event Horizon''. Either he saw the movie once and it somehow made an impression on him or the events of the movie happened in-universe, one of the survivors got mind melded by a Vulcan doctor at some point after FirstContact, and Tuvok mind melded with either that Vulcan doctor or another Vulcan who mind melded with that Vulcan doctor and the images got transferred during the meldings.
85	** The events in the ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]'' episode "Impulse" were NOT the result of Trellium-D poisoning. In the logs, the crew of the Vulcan ship went insane in a manner identical to the crew of the ''Film/EventHorizon''. "Trellium-D poisoning" was merely the story used in the cover-up. Consider your mind blown.
86	*** Or not; despite several hours (of in-show time) spent aboard the Vulcan derelict, only T'Pol was affected in the same way as the original crew had been. Were the cause the same as that aboard ''Event Horizon'', the scope of the effect would not have been so limited.
87	* Very unlikely: no Warhammer-style Daemonic Possession in ''Trek'' as a consequence of FTL and teleportation.
88	** ''Normal'' Trek FTL and teleportation, yes, but it has been shown there's some ''weird'' and occasionally malicious stuff out in other dimensions, and there's certainly a precedent both for alternative methods causing slips out of safe realities and for them causing warping in various ways. The Event Horizon method could simply be a dead-end FTL technology that is never seen used because, well, everyone has much better and safer FTL and teleportation technology.
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90	[[WMG: ''Event Horizon'' is based in the same universe as ''VideoGame/{{Doom}}'']]
91	Both feature a transport system that transports though hell and in both cases something comes through from the other side.
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93	[[WMG: ''Event Horizon'' takes place in the distant, distant future of Film/{{Sauna}}'s universe]]
94	Both evil forces come from a place of darkness. Both of them seem to feed off negative emotion. Both lure their victims in with visions. Both seem to be able to possess people with corruption. Clearly the Sauna's EldritchAbomination simply has found a new form to mess around in...
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96	[[WMG: ''Film/EventHorizon'' is Miller's DyingDream / Eternal MindScrew / MindRape.]]
97	Think about it - why else would it end with a TheEndOrIsIt ending with his crew.
98	His greatest fear was something happening to his crew - what would MindScrew him most as he lay dying?
99	The idea that despite his HeroicSacrifice that his crew NEVER GOT AWAY.
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101	[[WMG: The two ships mentioned as missing in the beginning of the film were sent out after the Event Horizon.]]
102	Remember when Miller mentions that the last two ships that "went out this far never came back"? How much do you want to bet they were sent out after the ''Event Horizon''? And they were likely rescue ships just like the crew of the Lewis and Clark, hence [[spoiler: the fake "rescue" scene near the end.]]
103	** [[NightmareFuel "They're with us."]] Indeed.
104	*** Or the new rescue crew is actually genuine. [[FridgeHorror But since they entered the forward decks of the ''Event Horizon''...]]
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106	[[WMG: The other half of the ''Event Horizon'' is also going to that place where we won't need eyes.]]
107	Hence the weird "iris" effect at the end.
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109	[[WMG: ''Event Horizon'' is the prequel to Disney's ''Film/TheBlackHole'']]
110	In both films, the black hole leads to Hell.
111	** Not necessarily. It's implied in that film that the surviving crew of the Palomino end up in Heaven after going through the black hole.
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113	[[WMG: Hyperspace is a huge colony of [[Literature/HarryPotter boggarts]].]]
114	It causes you to see your worst traumas and fears, right? So if the crew had all been wizards, they simply would have needed to say "Riddikulus" and it would have changed into something funny (in the case of Weir, for example, it would have changed into a guy in a PaperThinDisguise as his wife.)
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116	[[WMG: That bloody [[HumanoidAbomination humanoid...]] [[OurDemonsAreDifferent thing]] from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK1debnXYlA the deleted scenes]] is [[Website/SCPFoundation SCP-]][[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-106 106]].]]
117	And the gravity drive accesses its dimension.
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119	Both revel in human suffering. Both move in disturbing ways. This thing went headfirst down a ladder and SCP-106 can walk on/cling to any surface, including ceilings. Each has [[NightmareFuel horrifying]] SlasherSmile. Both inhabiit dimesions of pain and horror.
120	* To tie together this and the 40k theory, 106 is also a Warp Entity, possibly a daemon of Nurgle considering what happens to its victims.
121	** Not really. That "demon" that was climbing down the ladder with a SlasherSmile was Dr. Weir.
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123	[[WMG: The directors of this movie are constantly headdesking at seeing all the "It's clearly ''Warhammer 40k''/''Doom''!]]
124	They wanted to make their own universe... and now it seems any universe where HyperSpaceIsAScaryPlace clearly ''must'' be a part of ''Doom'' or ''Warhammer 40k'' or that it's clearly a ''Warhammer'' game. How would ''you'' feel?
125	** Well, this is the price they pay.
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127	[[WMG: Weir bankrolled this trip himself.]]
128	The ship didn't send out a distress call picked up by Earth - the ship called Weir. Weir paid for the ''Lewis and Clark'' and was lying that it was for official business and using his government connections.
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130	[[WMG: Miller is in Heaven.]]
131	If Hell really does exist in the movie, it's a fair assumption that Heaven does as well. Given that Miller performed the Ultimate Sacrifice to save what was left of his crew, passing through Hyperspace probably led him to Heaven rather than Hell, while Weir, who may or may not be dead by that point, went to hell. It's possible that Hyperspace acts as a judge that decides where you end up.
132	** As much as I'd like to believe that Miller was somehow spared from a FateWorseThanDeath, that doesn't explain how the ''Event Horizon'''s original crew all wound up in hell...unless they were all secretly serial murderers or something.
133	** It seems lilely that Weir was just torturing Miller with his greatest fears/shame (of having failed his crew) and that they aren't actually in hell. [[NightmareFuel Hopefully...]]
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135	[[WMG: ''Event Horizon'' is, in fact, a prequel to ''VideoGame/StarControl''.]]
136	The dimension the ship went to was, infact, below (where the Orz come from), or possibly pretty space. Either way, something (related to Orz?) smelled the ''Event Horizon'' and used it for [[BlueAndOrangeMorality their own purposes]].
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138	* As an addendum, the ship was an early prototype of a hyperspace ship, using something closer to [[http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Inter-Dimensional_Fatigue Inter-Dimensional Fatigue]] than a conventional hyperdrive.
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140	[[WMG: Smith is either a [[TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} psyker or has some kind of latent connection to the Warp]]]]
141	* Throughout the movie Smith in particular has a hatred for the ''Event Horizon'' that seems to border on irrational at times. When the ''Lewis and Clark'' is damaged and depressurizing around him, he still protests when Starck suggests taking refuge on the ''Event Horizon'' and doesn’t seem to agree with Weir’s suggestion that it ‘beats dying’. While welding the damaged ship, Cooper notes how long Smith is spending outside working on the ''Clark'' and Smith retorts that he’d rather spend twelve hours out in space than another minute on the ''Event Horizon''. He violently explodes at Weir after Justin goes out the airlock while screaming that there’s a price for breaking the laws of physics. When he and Peters are getting the [=CO2=] scrubbers from engineering, [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere he’s so desperate to get the fuck off the ship that he’s perfectly willing to leave with less tanks than they’ll need to get home]] and even ends up inadvertently abandoning Peters to her death and doesn’t even notice that she’s no longer behind him in all the time it must have taken him to run back to the ''Clark''. Finally, when Miller tells him that Weir planted a bomb on the ''Clark'', he makes a futile attempt to find the bomb instead of running back onto the ''Event Horizon'', which ends up costing him his life. Why the hell is he acting like this, even before the freaky shit starts happening? If Smith has a connection to the Warp, he can probably sense how dangerous the ''Event Horizon'' is just by being near it. As a psyker, he’d also be more vulnerable to things like demonic possession, so him trying to stay off the ship as much as possible could be an unwitting survival instinct. In short, Smith subconsciously knows that death would be a relief compared to [[FateWorseThanDeath what the Event Horizon has in store for them.]]
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143	[[WMG: Dr. Weir connected to Hell when he developed the gravity drive.]]
144	* Presumably when Dr. Weir was testing the drive he opened up a smaller portal to Hell. Not enough to do any physical damage, but enough to connect Weir's mind to Hell, which is why he had dreams of the ''Event Horizon'' before he got on board.
145	** Or, if one believes the connection to ''Warhammer 40,000,'' then Weir may have been a latent psyker that Tzeentch got to develop the drive as part of a long-term plan to lure humanity into the Warp without Gellar Field technology. The fact that in ''Warhammer 40,000'' it took so many millennia for the technology to come back into widespread usage could easily be attributed to the problem of ''every'' attempt to travel this way ending horrifically. It was really the invention of the Gellar Field that made the drive usable.
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147	[[WMG: The ''Event Horizon'''s design was meant to protect the crew during transit and it failed.]]
148	The reason the ship looks like a cathedral is because that it was designed to prevent the detrimental effects of whatever dimension they were going into (or perhaps the powerful magnetic forces).
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150	Unfortunately, for whatever reason, it failed. The crew got disoriented and began to deteriorate mentally. They tried to get back to where they started but by the time they did, it was seven years later for the audience, but perhaps only a few hours (or days at most) for the crew and ship. Their last transmission three months prior to the ''Lewis & Clark'''s arrival was their last moments alive.
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152	Whatever dimension they ended up in, it wasn't Hell but something that reinforced a human's anxieties, fears and traumas. The worse off your past experiences, the more badly affected. Justin was directly exposed, which is why he was catatonic. Weir was badly affected because he had suffered the loss of his wife and felt guilt over it. The other crew members were affected to various degrees with only one not affected because he spent most of his time outside making repairs. Stark was affected the least because she clearly didn't have any of the baggage the other characters had.
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154	The ship being alive is akin to someone magnetizing a piece of metal with a magnet. It changed the ship's various properties, affecting electronic equipment and human brains alike. It would explain why the ship's log got scrambled after the Captain's farewell speech. The effects from the other dimension corrupted hardware and software.
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156	One last thing of note: in the reconstructed log, you see the crew tearing each other up but who isn't there? Hint: The guys with the pitchforks. As another trooper stated, it's all in their heads. Hopefully the foredecks, with all its computers and logging equipment, should provide answers to what went so wrong.
157	* You forgot Weir's claustrophobia. The ship exploits this as well. The ship also kills Peters, and somehow manages to make the scene look similar to that of his wife's suicide (Peters and Weir's wife both died face-up in bloody water)
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159	[[WMG: Alternatively, the ship performed as expected, and Weir's ship was co-opted by cultists or similar.]]
160	Weir designed exactly what he intended to: a ship that could fold space and travel light-years in moments. However, Cultists or a cabal aligned with the "realm of pure chaos" made changes to the ship's overall design, turning it from a ship into something "much more" on purpose. They added the gothic and iconographic elements to ensure that rather than heading to Proxima Centauri it would end up in the chaos realm. It looked like weird aesthetic choices to those not in the know, but relatively benign ExecutiveMeddling at worst. Nobody not in the circle knew what the sum effect of those changes would be. That circle knew exactly what was going to happen and wanted it; Weir and even many or most of the crew were entirely unaware of what the ship would do when they fired up the drive, making the entire crew sacrifices - some willing, most not.
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162	[[WMG: The ship wasn't trying to get another crew, it just wanted to go "home"]]
163	During the "Blood Orgy" the captain attempted to reactivate the Drive, to get back to our dimension, but, when he went to start the timer, he was killed and accidentally set the timer to 7 years in his death throes. The thing that took over the ship can't activate/deactivate the Drive, as it needs a special code only the Captain and Weir knew (it was an expensive, top secret project.), it doesn't actually like it here and just wanted Weir for his codes, it's manipulations were to push Weir over the DespairEventHorizon and want to go to "Hell" as it hates being here and doesn't actually "need" a crew to work the normal systems of the ship, just the Drive.

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