Line #127 Tropers/HersheleOstropoler


1	@/HersheleOstropoler is a semi-employed 41-year-old writer in [[BigApplesauce New York]]. If you would like to fully employ him, get in touch.
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3	I gave myself [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershele_Ostropoler the name]] because I'm [[InformedJudaism Jewish]] and [[{{Trickster}} sarcastic]]. If you see comments from this username anywhere on the Web, odds are it's me.
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5	(If there's interest in a FB group to replace the old Nnnery, PM me; if there's critical mass it may be worth setting one up. If anyone has any better ideas about an off-wiki replacement, PM me. If such a thing already exists, on FB or elsewhere, I'd be honored to be part of it. I don not wish to restore that conversation to the forums here[[labelnote:]]''per se''[[/labelnote]])
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7	!![[SpellMyNameWithAnS A note on transcription]]
8	The name הערשעלע is spelled with the letter ש, transcribed in English as "sh". Therefore the proper spelling is "Hershele" and shortened forms of that.
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10	!!Wiki politics
11	[[folder:Cutting pages for content]]
12	There are no works pages I would rather cut than keep. Not even that one. Nope, not that one either. There are some that I don't think are as, well, important than others; there are some where the preference to keep is razor-thin and based entirely in the general principle. I am concerned about an attitude of "'art' is a word perverts use to defend their filth" or, more {{Godwin\|sLaw}}ishly, "when I see the word 'art' I reach for my revolver." That's not quite the comparison that best fits, but I do think it's [=McCarthyist=]. I worry about a tendency towards [[NoPrudishness prudishness]] that I think will weaken the wiki.
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14	On a not unrelated note, changing things to fend off concern trolls and TOS trolls, especially after the fact, is essentially feeding them.
15	[[/folder]]
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17	[[folder:The content rules]]
18	We are inevitably going to lose things I don't want to lose; I don't want to lose anything.
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20	We are probably going to lose pages I like[[note]]not as fap material[[/note]]; I have odd tastes, and I like {{beige\|Prose}} descriptions of sexual topics like on the page for {{Literotica}}, or for ''TheStoryOfO''.
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22	But I don't think we'll lose anything I don't want to lose aside from all that if we get rid of pages on pure pornography (works whose sole ''raison d'être'' is causing arousal) and on anything with:
23	* An endorsement or positive portrayal of non-[[PlayingDoctor innocent]] sexual activity involving children.
24	* Any portrayal of children as the legitimate objects of sexual desire for normal adults in a way that implies this is or should be normal or acceptible in contemporary U.S. society.
25	* Pornographic scenes involving children.
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27	As well as PornWithPlot works in which children appear. I don't think this is automatically icky, if a strict separation is maintained, but I'm totally sympathetic with people who think it is, and I don't think it's worth arguing over.
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29	I can hear the {{Rules Lawyer}}s now: "What makes someone a child?" "What makes a portrayal positive?" "What's legitimate? What's normal?" "What makes a scene pornographic?" The answer to all of those is "whatever the panel decides, ultimately, but it probably means pretty much what you think it means." FetishRetardant and FanDisservice (beyond the fact that there are kids in) aren't directly relevant, but I imagine the panel would take them into account when considering if a portrayal is positive.
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31	After I write this, I looked back at [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13344112380A34560100&page=73#1815 this]] and I think what I have pretty much agrees with it.
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33	I'm fine with that. I don't think I'm going to agree with all the P5 decisions but if that's a reasonable guide I think I can predict a lot of them fairly well, and duly prepare defenses and appeals.
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35	That's a content approach to defining pedoshit. As an alternative or supplement, there is also a context approach. That asks why (in the Doylist sense) there's adult-child[=/=]adult-teen sex in the work:
36	* To tittilate: cut
37	* To shock: probably cut
38	* To groom: [[CaptainObvious nuke from orbit]]
39	* To advocate: cut, unless, perhaps, [[StrawmanHasAPoint it does such a poor job of it that it has the opposite effect]]
40	* To show the perpetrator's depravity: probably keep
41	* To show [[DeliberateValuesDissonance the society's depravity]]: probably keep
42	* To elicit sympathy for the victim: [[RapeAsBackstory cheap emotional manipulation]], but probably keep
43	* To [[FreudianExcuse explain the victim's later behavior]]: probably keep?
44	* To elicit [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathy for the perpetrator]]
45	** If it's "that poor person, there's something wrong with them that drove them to do this horrible thing", possibly keep
46	** If it's "that poor person, society just doesn't understand them," almost certainly cut
47	* Etc., etc., etc.
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49	Again, which it is in each case is something a person -- or, say, a group of five people -- is going to have to decide.
50	[[/folder]]
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52	!!Tropes found in this user
53	* BigApplesauce: I'm a lifelong Brooklynite
54	* CakeEater: When I met my partner I was 25 and she was 31.
55	%%CharacterBlog: [[http://hershele-ostropoler.dreamwidth.org/ Mention my Name in Sheboygan]], seldom updated just now.
56	* CommunitiedOut
57	%%CurrentEventsBlog: [[http://somefacts.wordpress.com/ Some Facts/What This Means for You]], on indefinite hiatus, and (with [[@/{{Porcelain72}} my partner]]) [[http://deweydecimate.wordpress.com/ Dewey Decimate]], also seldom updated
58	* FoRKS
59	* HeroesWantRedheads
60	* InformedJudaism
61	* KnifeNut
62	* MostWritersAreWriters
63	* {{NaNoWriMo}}:
64	** 2010 participant, though thanks in part to computer troubles I lost momentum after about a week.
65	** 2011 participant, ran aground on the EightDeadlyWords but got further, both in word count and days of writing, than ever before.
66	** 2012 participant, with a version of RobinHood. Scrapped it a week or so in; cheated nearly to the finish line with something else.
67	** ScriptFrenzy: 2011 participant, but for no good reason lost momentum even faster.
68	* PornStache: Until I shaved it off
69	* {{Twitter}}: [[http://twitter.com/calieber It's right here]]
70	* WritersCannotDoMath: [[AvertedTrope averted]]
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72	[[folder:Brag List]]
73	* ''{{archy and mehitabel}}''
74	* ''BoogieNights''
75	* ''{{Showgirls}}''
76	* ''TheExtraMan''
77	* AnonymousAuthor
78	* ''GoTheFuckToSleep''
79	* InformedLocation (YKTTW, not launch)
80	* ''TheRumDiary''
81	[[/folder]]
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83	[[folder:Curating]]
84	I'll happily share, but PM me so we can coordinate and cooperate rather than [[EditWar the alternative]].
85	%%* LiesDamnedLiesAndStatistics
86	* ObliviouslyEvil
87	* SeinfeldIsUnfunny
88	[[AC:TroperTales pages:]]
89	* TroperTales/AcceptableLifestyleTargets
90	* TroperTales/AccidentalPervert
91	* TroperTales/ADateWithRosiePalms
92	* TroperTales/BadassLongcoat
93	* TroperTales/BrainsAndBondage
94	%%* [[TroperTales/{{Ptitlekxk767eh}} Can't Act Perverted Toward A Love Interest]]
95	* TroperTales/CasualKink
96	%%* TroperTales/CoitusUninterruptus
97	* TroperTales/ConvenientlyCommonKink
98	* TroperTales/DidYouJustHaveSex
99	%%* TroperTales/{{Fetish}} with @/{{Vorpy}}
100	* TroperTales/FetishRetardant
101	* TroperTales/FriendsWithBenefits
102	* TroperTales/HeadphonesEqualIsolation
103	* TroperTales/HomePornMovie
104	%%* TroperTales/ICallHimMisterHappy
105	%%* TroperTales/IncestYay with @/{{Vorpy}}
106	* TroperTales/{{Moe}}
107	%%* TroperTales/MyGirlIsASlut
108	* TroperTales/TheJailBaitWait
109	%%* TroperTales/ThereAreNoTherapists
110	[[/folder]]
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112	[[folder:Shows and movies that have filmed/taped on location near my home (at the time):]]
113	* A sketch on ''ChappellesShow''
114	** When I lived in Harlem
115	* ''ThirdWatch''
116	** When I lived in Prospect Heights
117	* ''MySuperExGirlfriend'' ([[UsefulNotes/NewYorkSubway subway station]] near my apartment near Windsor Terrace in Brooklyn)
118	* ''TheBraveOne'' (also the subway station)
119	* ''Series/{{Cupid}}''
120	* A ''Film/{{Spider-Man}}'' reboot, for some values of "near" (a subway stop away, but on the other side of it)
121	* ''Film/TheDeliveryMan'', a 2013 remake of ''Film/{{Starbuck}}''
122	* ''Film/TheGreatGillyHopkins''
123	* ''Film/{{Stuck}}'' (the subway station was re-dressed as the one in the movie) (Fall 2014)
124	* ''Film/TheNightBefore'' (subway station again. The MTA specifically touts that station as a good place to shoot a movie) (Fall 2014)
125	* ''Film/CodesOfConduct'' (Winter 2014)
126	* ''Series/{{Forever}}'' (Subway station) (March 2015)
127	* ''Series/MrRobot'' (ditto, and also used a home in the neighborhood for interiors) (April 2015)
128	* ''Series/{{Girls}}'' (yup) (June 2015)
129	* ''Film/HistoryOfLove'' (I think) (July 2015)
130	* ''Series/{{Limitless}}'' (August 2015)
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132	Also, someone working for JJAbrams considered but rejected my parents' house for scenes in ''Series/{{Fringe}}''.
133	[[/folder]]
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135	[[folder: I was in the studio audience for:]]
136	* Two different not-for-air pilots of [[TransAtlanticEquivalent American versions]] of ''Series/HaveIGotNewsForYou''
137	* ''Series/TheDailyShow''
138	* ''Series/TheColbertReport'' (four times!)
139	* ''Series/WhoWantsToBeAMillionaire''
140	* ''Radio/AskMeAnother'' on {{NPR}} (twice!)
141	* ''Podcast/ThrillingAdventureHour'' (twice!)
142	* ''Series/DuckQuacksDontEcho''
143	[[/folder]]
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145	!!Vandalize Here:
146	* Don't forget to smile! It's very important you know.
147	* I could not help vandalising your page after I saw the Yiddish in your title. -@/{{desdendelle}}
148	* I can vandalize your page here? AWESOME! -{{Tropers/Pittsburghmuggle}}
149	* After reading your own personal ideas on what should be kept and saved content wise, you have no idea how sensible I'm convinced you are and wish you were on the P5. -{{Tropers/Rpgingmaster}}

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