Line #68 Sandbox/SpockCheck


1	A wick check to gauge TheSpock's PCE issue. Simply saying "this character is calm / cold / logical" isn't enough because there is no context on ''how'' they are like this. What decisions have they made? How are their decisions "logical"?\
2	Wicks checked: 50/50
3
4	----
5	[[green:PASS]]
6	[[folder:Correct example with context (2/50) -- 4%]]
7	# Characters.NeitherABirdNorAPlaneItsDekuKrypton: '''Despite wrong indentation, the example has sufficient context about how K.E.L.E.X. tends to be driven by extreme logic.'''
8	** Although K.E.L.E.X. has a dry wit when he wants to, his directives are primarily dictated by logic. He makes decisions based on things with the highest probability of improving Izuku's quality of life. This is why he callously mentions that the chances of another Kryptonian escaping the destruction of Krypton are slim to none and lists out all of the things Izuku doesn't wants to hear while asking why Izuku won't use his Super-Hearing. He also recommends using the life on Korusan Island as moving targets to practice his Heat Vision. He's never malicious about this, but he's very insistent on making sure that Izuku is doing the things that he ''should'' be doing like training for the U.A. Entrance Exam or going over Jor-El's files on Krypton rather than on things that are unlikely to prove fruitful.
9	** K.E.L.E.X.'s tendency to favor efficiency above all tends to grind Izuku's gears when basal desires enter the picture. When Izuku starts feeling hungry and decides to head back to town to eat lunch, K.E.L.E.X. nags him to keep studying and suggests fasting because Izuku can subsist forever off sunlight. Izuku just turns off the app in annoyance and continues walking.
10	# Characters.Zom100BucketListOfTheDead: (Shizuka Mikazuki) Shizuka is coldly rational at the start of the story, only doing things that would increase her chances of survival and refusing to associate herself with people as frivolous and illogical as Akira, lest she wind up in more and more dangerous situations. She tries to apply logic to everything, analyzing the risks to minimize potential harm to herself. She slowly moves away from this mindset the longer she hangs around Akira, to the point of surprising herself when she purposefully draws the attention of some zombies to herself to protect a group of elderly people. '''Correct example + sufficient context.'''
11	[[/folder]]
12
13	[[folder:Pothole that fits the definition (3/50) -- 6%]]
14	# IronicName.WesternAnimation: Yellow Diamond, however, deserves a mention. She is are the birthstone for [[WesternZodiac Virgo]], and Virgos are associated with [=[[TheSpock order, intelligence, and cold calculation]]=]. When she finally appears in the show proper, she does fit the bill at first, but as her talk with Peridot goes on, it becomes readily apparent that for however much a being of logic she might be, she's clearly also a vengeful and [[{{Jerkass}} spiteful]] being who would gladly destroy the Earth for payback against the rebellion. '''Pothole refers to the concept of this trope.'''
15	# Literature.ImperialRadch: (FantasticDrug) Kef. It [[EmotionSuppression suppresses emotions]], so people either take it in the mistaken belief they will become [=[[TheSpock transcendent beings of pure rationality and logic]]=] (it doesn't work like that) or they use it to dull emotional trauma. It can be incredibly habit forming and addictive. '''Pothole refers to the concept of this trope.'''
16	# VisualNovel.PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice: (ThePowerOfLove) In "Turnabout Time Traveler", Phoenix finds himself having to invoke this verbatim in order to justify a witness's actions and keep his case going (with the trope name even being the option you have to select). [=[[TheSpock Edgeworth]]=] doesn't buy it, calling the act too dangerous to commit even for love, but [[TheMcCoy the judge]] overturns him, moved by the witness's potential effort and allowing him to buy into Phoenix's scenario. '''Regarding the question of whether an action motivated by love is justifiable, Edgeworth looks at it from a practical standpoint, especially when compared with the judge.'''
17	[[/folder]]
18	----
19	[[red:INSUFFICIENT CONTEXT]]
20	[[folder:Partial context examples (11/50) -- 22%]]
21	# Blog.AnomalousData: Jay is an example that's very extreme on the cold and calculating bit. '''How cold and calculating?'''
22	# Characters.GrandmasterOfDemonicCultivationMoDaoZuShiJinGuangyao: This was his role among the Venerated Triad. If Lan Xichen was the mediator, Jin Guangyao would go by logic and pragmatism and act after planning ahead, in contrast to Nie Mingjue who had a BlackAndWhiteMorality and was the most temperamental of the three. '''Any specific decisions and plans that show this character "would go by logic and pragmatism and act after planning ahead"?'''
23	# Characters.KamenRiderReviceKamenRidersLiveAndEvil: He's the coolest and most stoic and logical of the Igarashi siblings. Later events, including [[spoiler:the downfall of Fenix and reveal of Akaishi's [[MoleInCharge true allegiance]]]] see him become increasingly impulsive and hot-headed. '''How cool / logical? Also, this character ''isn't'' cool / stoic -- he is embarrassed towards his family in Episode 1, he is visibly trembling and ashamed near the end of Episode 3, and he expresses frustration towards his brother at the beginning of Episode 4.'''
24	# Characters.{{Lexx}}: (Kai, Last of the Brunnen-G) [[ParodiedTrope Parodied]]. He has Spock's flawless logic and cold pragmatism, but unlike the half-Vulcan's buried human side, Kai really is emotionally and spiritually dead. Whereas Stanley (the Kirk) and Xev (the [=McCoy=]) want to explore the universe in search of sex, he has no sex drive or passion whatsoever. He cares for nothing and about nobody, since he's literally a walking corpse. '''The example doesn't say anything about how the character has "flawless logic", "cold pragmatism" and being "emotionally and spiritually dead". What does this character do in the story that shows he has those traits? Although the tropes SpockSpeak and TheComicallySerious are present in the character folder, they are both [=ZCEs=].'''
25	# Characters.MerlinMainCast: '''The two examples feature contradictory information, describing Arthur as both TheMcCoy and TheSpock, with insufficient context on what decisions Arthur makes in the story. Same for Merlin (insufficient context). Simply listing adjectives isn't enough.'''
26	** TheMcCoy (FreudianTrio): In the trio between himself, Merlin and Gwen, Arthur is TheMcCoy (arrogant, aggressive, impulsive, HotBlooded) to Merlin's TheSpock (calm, logical, intelligent, TheChessmaster) and Gwen's TheKirk (motherly, nurturing, sensitive, TheHeart). See FreudianTrio.
27	** TheSpock/'''Superego''' (FreudianTrio): In the team of three consisting of himself (''Courage''), Merlin (''Magic'') and Gwaine (''Strength''), Arthur is TheSpock/Superego (serious, noble, honourable, TheStoic, TheStrategist, KnightInShiningArmor) to Merlin's TheKirk/Ego (balanced, neutral, peacemaker between the opposing personalities of Arthur and Gwaine, friends with both Arthur and Gwaine, TakeAThirdOption, TheHeart, TheConscience) and Gwaine's TheMcCoy/Id (fun loving, roguish, rebellious, LoveableRogue, KnightInSourArmor, PluckyComicRelief).
28	# Characters.SabrinaTheTeenageWitch: (Zelda Spellman) Thinks more with her head. '''How?'''
29	# Characters.TheBridge2011: (Saga Norén) Reconstructed. Saga is very logical and so always thinks before she acts -- but this actually makes her more disliked, suspected, and lonely, because her tendency to default to logic makes her come across as cold and aloof, and even merciless at times. '''Misuse of "reconstructed". What decisions does Saga make that shows the character is logical?'''
30	# Characters.TheZone: (Tobias Salk) Cold and logical, this complements his cynical viewpoint well. '''Any specific instances where he is "cold and logical"?'''
31	# DarthWiki.HighSpeedEnforcerNitro:
32	** But when officers '''[[TheSpock Terry O'Lean]]''' and his newly appointed partner '''[[TheMcCoy Jacob "Jake" Loeb]]''' ask for help after discovering an advanced weaponry smuggling inside an abandoned warehouse, they have no choice but to send it to them.
33	** (Terry O'Lean) Terry is calm, contemplating, and assesses the situation with his brain. Despite this he has a tendency to believe that people are at default good-natured. '''Any specific instances where he "is calm, contemplating, and assesses the situation with his brain"?
34	# Fanfic.CrisisEquestria: '''Any examples where the character applies their "fierce logic"?'''
35	** There are also other ponies that don't exactly want to see them make it home and all go to great lengths to keep the Mane Six from their goal. Their primary opponents? A team of suspiciously similar [[EvilCounterpart Evil Counterparts]] -- [[SmugSuper Starlight Shadow]], [=[[TheSpock Grayscale Force]]=], [[ConsummateLiar Curaçao]], [[LeeroyJenkins Havocwing]], [[AxCrazy Red Velvet]], and [[TheDitz Insipid]] -- their father [[ManipulativeBastard Silvertongue]], and his personal assassin [[PsychoForHire Shadowstep]].
36	** TheSpock: Grayscale Force's/Gray Skies's HiddenDepths show that her [[BrilliantButLazy apathetic nature does not mean she's dumb]], applying a fierce logic to everything she does and having [[NervesOfSteel the nerve]] to willingly put her own life at risk to force her opponent into a no-win scenario.
37	# Fanfic.OneEyeFullOfWisdom: The Aburame clan as a whole function on what the logical course of action is in any scenario. Sasuke starts picking up similar habits though to a lesser degree. '''Any specific examples?'''
38	[[/folder]]
39
40	[[folder:Zero context examples (11/50) -- 22%]]
41	# Characters.BlazBlueJinKisaragi: To Noel's [[TheKirk Kirk]] and Ragna's [[TheMcCoy [=McCoy=]]], although he has some [=McCoy=] traits of his own, also serves as this to Tsubaki's [[TheKirk Kirk]] and Makoto's [[TheMcCoy [=McCoy=]]]. '''Apart from being a ZCE, it also contains contextless TheKirk and TheMcCoy potholes.'''
42	# Characters.CodeGeassMainCharacters: (C.C.) To Lelouch's [[TheKirk Kirk]] and Kallen's [[TheMcCoy McCoy]]. '''Apart from being a ZCE, it also contains contextless TheKirk and TheMcCoy potholes.'''
43	# Characters.NedsDeclassifiedSchoolSurvivalGuide: '''Features both examples and potholes of zero context. Not only this applies to TheSpock, but TheMcCoy and TheKirk are also guilty of this.'''
44	** TheKirk: (Ned) To Moze's TheSpock and Cookie's TheMcCoy.
45	** TheSpock: (Moze) To Cookie's TheMcCoy and Ned's TheKirk.
46	** TheMcCoy: (Cookie) To Moze's TheSpock and Ned's TheKirk.
47	# Characters.PulpFiction: '''ZCE.'''
48	** (Vincent Vega) To Jules' [[TheMcCoy McCoy]].
49	** (Jules Winnfield) TheMcCoy: To Vincent's [=[[TheSpock Spock]]=]. This becomes especially emphasized after his NearDeathExperience.
50	# Characters.RaumschiffGamestar: (First Mate Martin) '''Blank ZCE.'''
51	# Characters.SherlockSherlockHolmes: John even calls him "Spock" in "The Hounds of Baskerville". '''Why?'''
52	# Characters.WizardsOfWaverlyPlace: (Justin Russo) '''Blank ZCE.'''
53	# DarthWiki.BELQDNG: [=[[spoiler: To Viviane's Kirk and Luther's [=McCoy=]]]=]. '''ZCE.'''
54	# JusticeLeague.TropesMToZ: Martian Manhunter. '''Commented-out ZCE.'''
55	# Recap.KidsIncorporatedS2E15PhantomOfThePlace: Ryan falls into this role; with a bit of AgentScully mixed in. '''ZCE.'''
56	# Series.YouRangMLord: James. '''ZCE.'''
57	[[/folder]]
58
59	[[folder:Contextless potholes (20/50) -- 40%]]
60	# Anime.StarTwinklePrettyCure: [=[[TheSpock Cure Milky]]=] '''Potholed to a character on a poster.'''
61	# Characters.AmericanHousewife: (FreudianTrio) Doris is TheSpock, usually giving the more practical (if ruthless and calculating) advice. '''Besides misusing FreudianTrio (only 1 character is featured, not 3), there is no context on how Doris gives practical advice. Any specific examples?'''
62	# Characters.FireEmblemAwakeningRobin: (TheKirk) To Chrom's [[TheMcCoy McCoy]] and Lucina's [=[[TheSpock Spock]]=]. Many of the game's big decisions (especially the ending) are made by the Avatar in the end. '''A ZCE that contains contextless TheMcCoy and TheSpock potholes.'''
63	# Characters.TheOrderOfTheStickDivineBeings: FreudianTrio: With Cedrik as the Id, Lee as the Superego, and Nero as the Ego, at least according to Sabine. '''No context other than "a character who sets up traps".'''
64	-->'''Sabine:''' [=[[TheSpock Director Lee]]=] sets up the traps and [[TheMcCoy Cedrik]] springs them when his gut tells him the time is right. And [[TheKirk Nero]] keeps them working together. It's scary effective.
65	# ComicStrip.CulDeSac: (PowerTrio) [=[[TheSpock Petey]]=] ,[[TheKirk Andre]] and [[TheMcCoy Loris]] form one of these. '''A ZCE that contains contextless TheKirk, TheMcCoy and TheSpock potholes.'''
66	# Fanfic.FourDeadlySecrets: (OOCIsSeriousBusiness) On Team JNPR[='=]s way to the Chapter 10[=/=]11 mission, Pyrrha gives Jaune a "cram session" of swordplay training. [=[[TheSpock Ren]]=] jokingly tells Jaune to go easy on [[TheAce Pyrrha]], which takes both Jaune and Nora by surprise. '''Other than insufficient context on how Ren is OOC, the pothole fails to give sufficient context on how Ren tends to be driven by reason / logic.'''
67	# Fanfic.PirateMeetsGebler: (FreudianTrio) Nami is TheKirk, Elly is TheMcCoy, and Fei is TheSpock. '''A ZCE that contains contextless TheKirk, TheMcCoy and TheSpock potholes.'''
68	** In fact, Robin is TheSpock to the former two.
69	# Funny.LogTwo: Most of the crew's Christmas time antics. As observed by a very baffled [[TheSpock Spock]] '''Contextless pothole to the character Spock.'''
70	# Literature.AnneOfGreenGables: (PowerTrio) Anne, Gilbert, and Diana. '''A ZCE that contains contextless TheKirk, TheMcCoy and TheSpock potholes.'''
71	** [[TheMcCoy Anne]], [=[[TheSpock Marilla]]=] and [[TheKirk Matthew]] also form a rare inter-generational trio.
72	# Literature.RepublicCommandoSeries: PowerTrio: '''Commented out PowerTrio ZCE + wrongly-indented example that includes TheKirk, TheMcCoy and TheSpock contextless potholes.
73	** {{The Kirk}}/Ego: Ordo
74	** {{The McCoy}}/Id: Skirata
75	** {{The Spock}}/Superego: Vau
76	# Main.DyingAlone: Although considering he was with [[TheSpock Spock]] and [[TheMcCoy McCoy]] when he said it, it's possible he meant dying without either of them there. '''Contextless pothole to the character Spock.'''
77	# Main.EverybodyLaughsEnding: ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' had the Everybody Laughs Except [[TheSpock Spock]] Ending, which was homaged in the ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' episode "Bound" where Everybody Laughs Except T'Pol. '''Contextless pothole to the character Spock.'''
78	# Main.MonsterIsAMommy: (''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'') [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] when [=[[TheSpock Vaarsuvius]]=] failed to consider that the dragon [[AmbiguousGender (s)he]] was killing might be a ''son.'' Several hundred comics later, his mom hunts [[AmbiguousGender him/her]] down... and [[MamaBear she is]] ''[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge pissed]].'' '''Contextless pothole to the character Vaarsuvius.'''
79	# Music.DinosaurJr: [=[[TheSpock Mascis]]=]. '''Potholed to a musician on a poster.'''
80	# Recap.WarOfTheWorldsS01E01TheResurrection: '''No context other than "a character who is a scientist".'''
81	** The next morning, teacher[=/=][[TheSpock scientist]] Harrison Blackwood is giving a lecture to a group of teenagers at a technology institute. As he finishes his lecture, he's distracted by the arrival of a beautiful scientist who enters the room with an older man. After being [[DistractedByTheSexy momentarily distracted]], the older man, Dr. Jacobi, introduces the woman as Dr. Suzanne [=McCullough=], a microbiologist who has been transferred to the institute and is looking forward to working with the team there.
82	** CharacterizationMarchesOn: Being the pilot episode, the main characters' personalities weren't completely set in stone yet, and clash with their portrayal in the rest of the series. Harrison's portrayal as someone who [[SexGod effortlessly charms Charlotte into bed]] and is just as much at-home at a high-society party as he is in the lab clashes with his role as TheSpock throughout the rest of the series. Norton's heavy Jamaican accent is toned down ''within the same episode'', with him being much more reserved once the team reaches the estate.
83	# Series.WaterlooRoad: (FraudianTrio) In the first two series, head of pastrol care Kim is TheMcCoy, Deputy Head Andrew is TheSpock and Head Jack is TheKirk. '''A ZCE that contains contextless TheKirk, TheMcCoy and TheSpock potholes. FreudianTrio is misspelled.'''
84	# Tsundere.LiveActionTV: Downplayed by ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' in the character of Aeryn Sun. She might seem to be a ''{{Tsundere}}'' at first, but is disqualified for running hot and cold at the same time, as opposed to running hot and cold alternately, resulting in a sort of permanent TheSpock exterior with passions that never ''quite'' surface; a definite lack of SlapSlapKiss due to her MegatonPunch hurting Crichto and her coming by her behavior honestly as a borderline SuperSoldier trained TheSpartanWay suddenly cut adrift from her ''in no way'' MildlyMilitary lifestyle and ending up on the wrong end of a SternChase… ta-daa. '''Pothole fails to provide any meaningful context about her character.'''
85	# WebAnimation.QuestOfLaizen: (FreudianTrio) [[TheKirk Nero]] refuses to fight if he doesn't know the reason why. [=[[TheSpock Raine]]=] pushes him to fight the evil rulers. [[TheMcCoy Abel]] just wants to be there for his [[RunningGag best friend]] and sister. '''No context other than "character A pushes a reluctant character B to fight evil rulers.'''
86	# YMMV.TheSuffering: (CompleteMonster) ''The Suffering'': [[SoftSpokenSadist Hermes T. Haight]] — pronounced "hate" — is one of the many spirits haunting Carnate Island, and the most sadistic. In life, Hermes was the former executioner at Abbott State Penitentiary, where he killed prisoners in a variety of ways — including [=[[TheSpock Horace Gage]]=] via the electric chair, condemning him to a life as an electric phantom — before settling on [[DeadlyGas a clear, odorless gas]], having done so for decades. Becoming curious as to how his victims felt during the execution process, he studied their corpses and phone conversations before deciding to get a taste of his own gas, killing himself. As a spirit, he haunts Carnate, killing various prisoners and guards with his green gas, including ones trying to escape the island from the Malefactors. Attempting to make [[PlayerCharacter Torque]] unleash his inner beast, he later tries to kill him by trapping him in a gas-filled room. Near the end, [[EnemyMine he's forced to help Torque cross a gap]], doing so by gassing an escaping bus and using it as a bridge. A self-described professional [[JustFollowingOrders claiming to be doing his job]], Hermes enjoys the freedom death has given him in regards to killing people, managing to be worse than the actual monsters infesting Carnate. '''Contextless pothole to the character Horace Gage.'''
87	# YMMV.YamadaKunAndTheSevenWitches: (HarsherInHindsight) For all of Shiraishi's TheSpock moments, she is rather emotion-driven about the fact that she was Yamada's first kiss, doing everything in her power to be the first one he kisses after his supposed amnesia, and crying when she sees him kissing someone else. [[spoiler: But as we find out almost 100 chapters later, she wasn't his first kiss. Yamada kissed Nancy's witches many times before he kissed her, and his first kiss was actually with Seishuin - a girl that he doesn't have much to do with.]] '''What moments?'''
88	[[/folder]]
89	----
90	[[folder:Misuse (3/50) -- 6%]]
91	# Characters.JadeEmpire: (Master Li) Master Li is regarded as a highly capable man even by his enemies. While he's composed and polite, he doesn't display much emotion even when congratulating his protege. He also rarely raises his soft yet deep voice, but when he does, you know you're in trouble. Raising a LaserGuidedTykebomb for twenty years behind a facade of a caring teacher and killing them without trouble once they've served their purpose speaks of an especially dark example of this trope. What's more, he's incapable of caring even for his family beyond practical value. '''Context is about a character who is dispassionate and doesn't care for the well being of others.'''
92	# Manga.NamelessAsterism: (FreudianTrio) Kotooka, Tsukasa, and Washio. [[TheMcCoy Kotooka]] is the Id, being the most emotional ([[spoiler:during the series' climax, her emotions boiling over incites a fight between herself and Washio that nearly breaks up their trio for good]]) and somewhat selfish (see ItsAllAboutMe below). [=[[TheSpock Washio]]=] is the Superego, being so [[TheStoic stoic]] to the point where her apparent aloofness causes problems in the girls' friendship. Finally, [[TheKirk Tsukasa]] is the Ego, being the most balanced of the three, and ultimately [[spoiler:playing peacekeeper during Kotooka and Washio's fight]]. '''Context is about an aloof / stoic character, not a character who is always about logic and reasoning.'''
93	# VideoGame.UntilDawn: When Chris and Ashley are looking for Sam, Ashley insists the ghost she keeps seeing is real, while Chris thinks it's the work of The Psycho. [[spoiler:Chris is completely right.]] '''Context is about a character who firmly believes that some event is man-made rather than supernatural.'''

Context Sandbox / SpockCheck