Line #42 Sandbox/HypotheticalCastingWickCheck


1	HypotheticalCasting's description says it's about creators using lists of other creators to help visualize their characters. The Administrivia/TropesNeedingTRS entry reads as such:
2	->Mix of trivia (creator opinions) and audience reactions.
3
4	The wick check bears this out. Though it is not marked as Trivia, most of the wicks (55%) explicitly refer to a creator's comments saying which other actors/voice actors they have envisioned voicing their characters. (It's also soft-split between fanwork creators and "official" works, and shows a similar proportion for both.) Some users evidently already recognize this, as 26 wicks (10%) are already in Trivia, and a similar proportion was found in the wick check.
5
6	In addition, the fandom phenomenon of fancasting, or the ''fans'' envisioning a character as an actor, pops up in usage and in on-page examples. (Here's a selection of on-page examples to illustrate.)
7
8	[[quoteblock]]
9	* James O'Barr, who created ''ComicBook/TheCrow'', wanted Creator/JohnnyDepp to star as Eric Draven in [[Film/TheCrow1994 the film version]]. '''Creator comment'''
10	* For years, Creator/PatrickStewart was the favourite choice to play Spider Jerusalem if ''ComicBook/{{Transmetropolitan}}'' ever got a film adaptation. '''Fancast'''
11	* Real life couple Creator/JohnKrasinski and Creator/EmilyBlunt were fan-favourite choices to play Reed Richards and Sue Storm should the ComicBook/FantasticFour get rebooted (again). '''Fancast'''
12	[[/quoteblock]]
13
14	'''Results:'''
15	* Objective page, but refers to WordOfGod or extratextual material: 30/55
16	* Objective page, doesn't explicitly refer to extratextual sources, but reads like trivia: 6/55
17	* Already in trivia: 7/55, usage is a mix of the first two
18	* Other casting usage: 6/55
19	* Refers to "fancasting": 6/55
20
21	I vote to move the thing to Trivia. If we want to do something about the fancasting examples (a PopularFancast audience reaction or a {{Fancasting}} FanSpeak page, for example), that can be done as well.
22	----
23	!!Wick check:
24
25	[[folder:Objective Page, but Explicitly Word Of God/Extratextual Material (30/50)]]
26	'''Note:''' Many examples were very long lists; '''truncated''' means I only listed a couple for convenience.
27
28	!!!Fanworks and Fanwork Subpages
29	# Characters.PokemonClefairyTales: "Creator/MarinaInoue (Japanese), Alex Cazares (American English), Ruby Barnhill (British English), and Chantal Macé (French), per WordOfGod."
30	# Fanfic.PersonaTheSougawaFiles: Arsene has responded to an anonymous question about which [=VAs=] she would pick for the Freedom Fighters (including the main villains) on [=Tumblr=]: ('''Truncated''')
31	** Rina Oshiro: Creator/ErikaHarlacher
32	** Hikaru Hayashi: Creator/YuriLowenthal
33	# Characters.AvengersOfTheRing: The writer mentions that he imagines him being portrayed by Creator/KitHarington.
34	# Fanfic.MiraculousThePhoenixRises: Well, seeing as everyone seems to do it for fanfics as this, the author has done this for curious readers... '''Truncated'''
35	** Morgan : Emily Bauer
36	** Max : Logan Thirtyacre
37	# Fanfic.CountYourMissingSheep: The author has stated that that film's version of Lucifer is a big influence on Krampus, even saying that '''[[HypotheticalCasting Terrence Zdunich's voice is what they had in mind for Krampus.]]'''
38	# Fanfic.FoolyFalls: The author's notes at the end of chapter 1 gives this to the nine major original characters, along with some notable roles he had in mind. '''Truncated'''
39	** Creator/StephanieSheh: Gwen (voice of Mamini Samejima and [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Orihime Inoue]])
40	** Creator/BarbaraGoodson: Tyrone (voice of Naoto Nandaba and, as stated above, [[Franchise/PowerRangers Rita Repulsa]])
41	# DinoAttackRPG.TropesGToL: Towards the end of ''At War's End'', that guy from that show started working on [[https://www.imdb.com/list/ls008832033/ a cast list]] for a hypothetical film adaptation and asked his fellow players for actor suggestions. Note that this cast list is largely based on the actors' credentials rather than their appearances, so the casting picks are not intended to give readers a better mental image of characters' appearances.
42	# Fanfic.PersonaOneLastPromise: The reviewers have given the SPT Japanese and English voice actors. '''Truncated'''
43	** Kazuhiko Sukima: Hiroshi Kamiya and Bryce Papenbrook.
44	** Kazumi Sukima: Haruka Tomatsu and Kari Wahlgren
45	# Fanfic.StoriesOfTheVanishedMan: The author of the series said that Danny Jacob, the one who sang many Phineas and Ferb songs would provide the voice for Perseus Papadakis.
46	# Fanfic.RandomDramaSeries: Each time an OC is introduced, the author lists the voice actor they'd imagine providing their voice (though they remember each VA by a character they previously portrayed rather than their name): '''Truncated'''
47	** Kitsune = Stacey DePass
48	** Victor = Jess Gibbons
49	# Fanfic.WifeOfTheWolfHusbandOfTheSun: In an author's note of one of the chapters, the Author mentions that they see Golshifteh Farahani as Elia and Sam Claflin for Ned.
50	# Fanfic.PowerRangersClockwork: HypotheticalCasting: Continuing the trend from ''Fanfic/SuperSentaiVsPowerRangersTheLiveblog'', the writer fancasts several characters, including a recast. '''Truncated'''
51	** Ari!Carter Grayson--the Red Lightspeed Ranger in Arika's world--has his original actor, Sean Cw Johnson, playing him in flashbacks in ''Super Sentai vs. Power Rangers IV''. Starting in ''Power Rangers Clockwork'', his new hypothetical actor would be Drew Gulak. In-universe, the recast is justified because Carter's original body is in no condition for a resurrection, and Akira decides to create a new body that closely matches Arika's regular combat style.
52	** Brynja's hypothetical actress would be Heather Masters, best known as Circus Baby in ''{{VideoGame/Five Nights At Freddys Sister Location}}''.
53	# Fanfic.LuzClawthorne: [=BuckJohnson=] has said that since Odalia is voiced by Creator/RachaelMacfarlane, it only makes sense that her brother Geist is "voiced" by Rachael's brother, [[Creator/SethMacfarlane Seth]]. '''Buck is one of the authors'''
54	# Fanfic.SuperMarioSunshineASpriteOfLight: The credits in Chapter 54 reveals the made-up casting roles for the characters. Of course, the canon characters still have their original actors from the era ''Sunshine'' came out. '''Truncated'''
55	** Mario, Luigi, Toadsworth[[note]]He was actually voiced by Scott Burns in the game.[[/note]], Male Piantas, Wario, Waluigi, Shadow Mario, Shadow Luigi, and Duplighost Mario: Creator/CharlesMartinet
56	** Peach, Toad, and Toadette: Creator/JenTaylor
57	# Funny.FallOfStarfleetRebirthOfFriendship The credits reveal [[HypotheticalCasting who's supposed to voice Dark Conquest]]: Curtis Arnott, best known as ''[[Creator/TeamFourStar Takahata101]]''. You can now re-read the story and hear everything Dark Conquest says with Mr. Perfect Cell's voice for added hilarity. Or better yet, read his dialogue in [[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Dartz's accent]], if you never want to take the guy seriously ever again. '''Refers to extratextual material'''
58	# BreathOfTheWild.TropesNToZ, [RaceLift]: This is in part thanks to the '''HypotheticalCasting''', where the characters are imagined as looking like Yara Shahidi and Joe Manganiello respectively. '''Not to be confused with the game'''
59	# Fanfic.GodzillaRulersOfEarthland: [[WordOfGod The author has a list of (hypothetical) voice actors on his profile page for the Godzilla characters in the story]] The list as it follows: '''Truncated'''
60	--> '''Earth Defenders''':
61	---> '''Godzilla''': Creator/GaryChalk
62	---> '''Angirius''': Creator/MichaelLeonWooley
63
64
65	!!Not Fanworks
66	# Blog.TheIslandOfMisfitChristmasSpecials: Peter recalls in his review of ''[[http://www.platypuscomix.net/darkvault/misfits/misfit27.html A Wish For Wings That Work]]'' that ''Bloom County'' creator Berke Breathed designated the late Sterling Holloway as his #1 choice to voice Opus. Peter admits personally finding that an inappropriate choice, but adds that he could relate to Breathed because of his unfulfilled desire for Creator/BrittanyMurphy to voice ''Webcomic/ElectricWonderland'''s Aerynn Arlia. '''Half this, half fancast'''
67	# Creator.ClaudiaGray: She often does this with her ''Star Wars'' novels (for example, she imagines Senator Ransolm Casterfo as Creator/TomHiddleston and Leia's FirstLove Kier Domadi as Creator/RamiMalek).
68	# ComicBook.ScudTheDisposableAssassin: Always listed the voices of actors that the creator of the comic imagined would be voicing the characters in animation.
69	# Literature.SpyHigh: The author is on record as saying that if the books were ever to be made into a movie, he would want Anna Kournikova to play Lori. Also counts as QuestionableCasting, since Kournikova is a tennis player - not an actress.
70	# Literature.TheGirlWhoWouldBeKing: According to Thompson in [[http://io9.gizmodo.com/io9-favorite-the-girl-who-would-be-king-will-be-a-movie-1607171742 an interview]] Bonnie could be played by Creator/DeborahAnnWoll or Creator/SophieTurner, while Lola was visually inspired by Creator/ImogenPoots circa ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater''.
71	# Literature.TheIcemarkChronicles: WordOfGod says Redrought was based on Creator/BrianBlessed and should be played by him.
72	# Webcomic.Forever16: [[http://jbwarner86.deviantart.com/art/Welcome-To-Paradise-203322605 This page here]] lists actors to play the characters. They are; '''Truncated, writeup in weblink says this is WordOfGod'''
73	** Aaron - Creator/WillFriedle
74	** Steve - [[Film/{{Clerks}} Jason]] [[WesternAnimation/ClerksTheAnimatedSeries Mewes]]
75	# Characters.MeggMoggAndOwl: Hanselman [[https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/14/simon-hanselmann-interview-megg-mogg-and-owl stated]] that if the comics ever received an AnimatedAdaptation, he would want Creator/LindsayLohan to play Megg. This arguably crosses into ComicBookFantasyCasting as the two have a similar figure and long, red hair. '''Subpage for comic book'''
76	# Webcomic.{{Outsiders}}: MacVeigh claims that the design of Harold Wisley is based off of Richard Burton, and if possible, he would have his voice if the comic was adapted to film (though he knows that Burton died, he still thinks that if the software was available to recreate the voices of deceased actors, singers or other celebrities, we could one day hear Richard Burton’s voice on the big screen once again).
77	# Creator.LindsayEllis: Lindsay has [[https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1294423767368601601?s=21 suggested]] that an ''Axiom's End'' movie would feature Creator/PedroPascal as Nils. She also [[https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1294427607224573957?s=21 agreed]] with suggestions for Creator/RosaSalazar to play Cora, at least until she realized Salazar's age surpasses that of Cora.
78	# Characters.ASongOfIceAndFireSandSnakes: George R. R. Martin has mentioned that Janina Gavankar looks like what he envisioned for Lady Nym.
79	# Creator.GregWeisman: On his website, he used to reveal who he mentally imagines the voices of characters that have yet to receive one (like in ''Young Justice''), although [[https://s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=21162 as of 2016]] he no longer does this out of respective for the voice actors they wound up with instead if it were to happen.
80	# ComicBook.BatwomanRebirth: Tynion has mentioned in an interview that he'd like to see Jessica Chastain play Kate.
81	[[/folder]]
82
83	[[folder:Doesn't mention Word of God, but seems like Trivia]]
84	# Fanfic.BookFiveLegends: There's a whole list of voice actors intended for the [[OriginalCharacter Original Characters]] featured in Book Five. Some examples include: ('''Truncated''')
85	** [[Creator/JerryJewell Jerry Jewell]] for Temuji.
86	** [[Characters/TransformersPrimeOther Tania Gunadi]] for Fumiko.
87	# Fanfic.PokemonXDEnigmaShadowSeries: In a sense; every character is assigned a hypothetical voice actor.
88	# Characters.MySuburbanHeroicFantasy: '''Subpage for a roleplay'''
89	** Voiced apparently by Michael Rosenbaum or Kyle Mc Carley.
90	** Ideally, Fala would be voiced by Michaela Dietz of Steven Universe fame in the event of an animated adaptation.
91	# Characters.PrettyCurePerfumePreppy: '''Subpage for a fanfic, only listing 2 entries since they all read the same'''
92	** Asumi Nakata (Japanese) and Sherry Lynn (English).
93	** Asami Shimoda (Japanese) and Luci Christian (English).
94	# Characters.CodePrimePeaceMark: '''Subpage for a fanfic, all entries read like this:'''
95	--> '''[[HypotheticalCasting Voiced by]]''': Creator/DanteBasco
96	# Characters.CitadelOfTheHeartKanto: [CaptainErsatz] Of [[WebAnimation/{{RWBY}} Cinder Fall]], down to having the same voice actress via HypotheticalCasting.
97
98	[[/folder]]
99
100	[[folder:Already in Trivia]]
101	# Trivia.TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum: The authors often cast actors in fictional roles for their characters.
102	# Trivia.OfGemstonesAndWatches: The credits reveal some of the casting choices for the characters, including the OC's.
103	** Cristina Vee for Ceres.
104	** Monica Rial for Kylie.
105	** Tara Strong for Ria.
106	# Trivia.{{Huck}}: Creator/MarkMillar [[WordOfGod has said that]] [[https://www.cbr.com/millar-on-the-quiet-epic-of-huck-hopes-to-land-channing-tatum-for-film-version/ his personal top pick]] to play Huck is Creator/ChanningTatum.
107	# Trivia.UniverseFalls: Jenn has a personal '''[[HypotheticalCasting fantasy casting list]]''' for the fusions of Steven, Connie, and the Mystery Twins:
108	*** Eden Sher (Star Butterfly from ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'') or Sarah Stiles (Spinel from ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverseTheMovie'') as Maven (Mabel+Steven)
109	*** Jeremy Shada (Finn from ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', Lance from ''WesternAnimation/VoltronLegendaryDefender'') as Stepper (Dipper+Steven)
110	# Trivia.TheRavenCycle: Maggie has admitted to retroactively picturing Colin Greenmantle as Creator/JohnMulaney thanks to a fandom joke suggesting that casting.
111	# Trivia.Ben10Guardians: WordOfGod has stated that Adolherd sounds like Creator/SethGreen's performance as [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012 Leonardo]].
112	# Trivia.{{Arrowverse}}: According to Marc Guggenheim, if [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne]] was to finally appear, he'd rather him be played by Creator/JensenAckles. The role ultimately ended up going to Warren Christie instead.
113
114	[[/folder]]
115
116	[[folder:Other Casting Usage]]
117	# VideoGame.{{Curses}}: In-universe. Examining the demon and angel tells you that if you were to cast a film of your adventures so far, you would hire Creator/DonaldSutherland to play the demon and Creator/JudiDench to play the angel.
118	# Recap.FilmRerollJumanji: Charles and Anabelle are compared to Creator/TimCurry and Lesley Ann Warren as [[Film/{{Clue}} Wadsworth and Miss Scarlet, respectively.]] '''This is a subpage for a podcast, so maybe in-universe? Or fancasting?
119	# HerCodeNameWasMarySue, ''Series/BarneyMiller'' example: Harris starts HypotheticalCasting for a film version, and picks Charles Nelson Reilly as Dietrich because he's "mad at him". '''in-universe'''
120	# Characters.TeitoMonogatari: Was played by legendary Kabuki actor Tamasaburo Bando V, who is actually a scholar of Kyoka Izumi, and has produced plays based on his works. '''This is just...regular, non-hypothetical casting?'''
121	# ComicBook.TheUltimates: At one point, on a slow day they sit around talking about who would play them in the movie of their lives. Naturally, Nick Fury says Samuel L. Jackson (on whom Ultimate Nick Fury was based). Unfortunately, Bruce Banner walks in just as Hank Pym starts suggesting who'd play him in very unflattering terms (Steve Buscemi, just for the record), and this causes Bruce to have something of a breakdown. '''Who would you cast as yourself in a movie?'''
122	# Main.CreatorChosenCasting: See also HypotheticalCasting, where a list is made of potential stars to cast in the role,
123
124	[[/folder]]
125
126	[[folder:Fancasting]]
127	# Creator.MollyQuinn: She was among many popular fan-casting choices for Clary Fairchild in ''Literature/TheMortalInstruments''.
128	# Fanfic.ACureForLove: [[UsefulNotes/BritishAccents Light and L sound]] [[FoeRomanceSubtext like they]] '''[[HypotheticalCasting should be played]]''' by Creator/DavidTennant [[Series/DoctorWho and John Simms]]. '''Reads like audience reaction'''
129	# Fanfic.SmashLife: There is one made by Lesley Black Velvet [[https://www.deviantart.com/demoncastle1999/journal/Smash-Life-The-Fancast-Anime-Style-854450236 here]]. '''Yes, weblinks are not examples -- but following this link, it reads like the maker is not the author.'''
130	# CantUnhearIt: Some fans might prefer to hear Creator/VictorCaroli's ('''[[HypotheticalCasting or even]]''' Creator/TonyJay's) voice when they read Tirek's lines in the comics.
131	# Fanfic.FutariWaPrettyCureBlueMoon: "Done entirely by the readers." '''ZCE'''
132	# Characters.StreetFighterAlpha: For many of her fans, the beautiful Italian actress and BondGirl, Monica Bellucci, is the perfect real-life Rose. Her artwork for ''Super Street Fighter IV'' provides a particularly close resemblance.
133

Context Sandbox / HypotheticalCastingWickCheck