Line #117 Main/OrderIsNotGood


1	->''"If we assume that chaos already reigns and that order needs to be restored, who decides what 'order' actually looks like? These two likely have their own opinions on that subject, and they probably don't include the words 'free' or 'will.'"''
2	-->-- ''Franchise/{{Splatoon}}''[='=]s [[https://splatoonus.tumblr.com/post/186316836064/telephone-cq-cumber-team-order-these-failed Squid Research Lab]] on '''Telephone''' & '''C.Q. Cumber'''
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4	As laws of fictional universes go, OrderVersusChaos does exist. Enough of the time, to keep it nice and simple for the audience, Order is good and ChaosIsEvil.
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6	However, there are a lot of stories here to tell that freedom and the moral hero are the true measures of goodness. So what if they're on the opposite side to those creating order? What if the lawmakers are restricting freedom and being [[DrunkWithPower corrupted by power]]? Or what if, simply, those in charge aren't really doing any bad, but their subordinates want a new kind of order? Order is not going to be presented as a bit of a hurdle, but to retain the simplicity of BlackAndWhiteMorality by making the concept of Order not good, usually by making it not align with morals. What started as a normal desire to temper one's own passion with restraint and discipline (which when left unrestrained and combined with [[HumansAreFlawed human's tendencies to pick the bad choices while having potential to pick the good ones]], would result in a bad kind of free but chaotic world) ended up spiraling out of control into trying to restrain everyone's passion and indoctrinating one's brand of discipline to others, whether they like it or not.
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8	For smaller scale examples, society accepts some character types that 'go against the rules' and 'challenge the man' -- like how AllGirlsWantBadBoys and some people think that GoodIsBoring.
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10	This may deteriorate to Order being presented as a fascist state that either believes in TheEvilsOfFreeWill, or a WellIntentionedExtremist ruler (or a NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist ruler, as the case may be) that believes the people are endangering themselves and [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans a bit of genocide can work for the greater good]] (and they tend to promote it with [[TheNeedsOfTheMany an emphasis on the greater good]] for [[VillainWithGoodPublicity an attempt on good publicity]]). Human creativity is curbed down to impunity since it's an aspect of Chaos that Order considered dangerous, even if it's harmless creativity (for instance: artistic creativity), with the most common reasoning of trying to curb down notions of rebellion or something else that may disrupt the set order. In these cases, the people may either [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil suffer and know it]] but be generally unable to rebel, or [[BreadAndCircuses be blind to the true state of affairs]]. The hero will be able to break free of either situation, by enlightenment and/or strength, and rescue their world. They may also sympathise with the order-bringers, because even though they are rule-breakers, they're the good ones. However, they will think that all the claims [[TheNeedsOfTheMany For The Greater Good]] spewed by the Order is [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocritical and inexcusable, no amount of merits can excuse that.]]
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12	The force of Order may be known as 'Always LawfulEvil', and the heroes are ChaoticGood saviours, though both sides may be shown with GrayingMorality -- this is a specialty of the gritty films that like to use this trope, and so there will be either an AntiHero or AntiVillain (and sometimes both in the same work, but this is less common). Despite so, sometimes LawfulGood characters will still exist in this kind of conflict. However, they're usually portrayed as someone who [[GoodIsDumb has good intentions, but is blinded by the propaganda of the bad order that]] [[LawfulStupid they were instead causing more harm by following the law]], and it is up to the ChaoticGood heroes to shove the truth about that order to the LawfulGood character, prompting them to become a DefectorFromDecadence and maybe shift into NeutralGood. In a way, this portrays LawfulGood as the least favorable amongst Good alignment, in a way that law and order are considered hindrances for doing good things; they may even try to become an InternalReformist as a result, but the ChaoticGood heroes are usually depicted to have a better sense. Reforming is often considered useless, it has to be smashed down... or at least it's just the corrupt parts that needed to be smashed down, if the LawfulGood character was lucky, the heroes might let them take over and reform the order... but only after the LawfulEvil corrupt villains, who are usually irredeemable, are completely taken down. Scenarios like this often end with the ChaoticGood heroes moving away from the spotlight, because they're not used with administering authority and order, even if they're reformed, preferring to stay in the shadows or mingling with the commoners, only to strike back just in case the new order repeated the past mistakes, effectively becoming boogie men of corrupt orders.
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14	In some cases, the fight may not be against the villainous Order, but a character may get some development by being from or going to an area ruled by such means: everything may seem idyllic, but people are treated like mindless drones, freedom is considered a bad thing and curbed down, and the hero needed to get out of there or found a new world perspective to change/ground his personal morals by seeing the society. When the hero is fighting Order, he will pretty much never be wrong -- in the most extreme circumstances an individual's rights are always more important than long-term world-saving goals, and after he's saved the day the hero will discover that this created an even bigger save that freed the galaxy, rather than screwing it over. This doesn't count in time travel plots, though, where [[NiceJobBreakingItHero they are almost guaranteed to make a mistake and ruin something]] by trying to free people.
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16	There are several kind of common examples ripes to showcase just how bad Order could be when used wrong:
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18	* TheEmpire, whose creed is often 'Bringing Order To [insert region here]'. The characters most likely to become the hero will often be {{Lovable Rogue}}s, {{Gentleman Thie\|f}}ves, or JustLikeRobinHood. Though not required to be Chaotic, they often will be, with the RebelLeader probably being the BigGood, and LaResistance only being shown positively. Conflicts like this tend to have [[SlidingScaleOfLibertarianismAndAuthoritarianism heroes heavily Libertarian and villains being heavily Authoritarian]]. Likely to go hand in hand if there's an evil, unethical MegaCorp (see below for more details).
19	* Stories featuring GodIsEvil, mostly due to religious dogma -- particularly those of Abrahamic faiths such as Christianity -- being closely associated with authoritarianism and conservatism. The Guy Upstairs and his followers will be depicted as tyrannical and inflexible {{Knight Templar}}s who are obsessed with "[[PureIsNotGood purity]]," labeling [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill disobedience]], {{passion\|IsEvil}}, {{individuality\|IsIllegal}}, and {{fun\|HatingVillain}} as sins that can only be wiped out through the establishment of a WorldOfSilence at best, or a [[RestartTheWorld factory reset]] of the universe at worst. The heroes may thus RageAgainstTheHeavens in order to make sure this doesn't happen, with [[{{Satan}} The Guy Downstairs]] often being the setting's [[SatanIsGood ultimate force]] of ChaoticGood. Goes hand in hand if said God is also a DemiurgeArchetype.
20	* Stories involving a MegaCorp, a commercial entity so massive that it's likely to be the sole corporation of the setting (without needing to be an EvilInc), crushing down any competitions with impunity[[note]]While it's said that competition begets improvement, for this MegaCorp, it's all hogwash. They don't need competition and will stamp it out before 'they become a threat', not caring if their products stagnate due to lack of desire of improvement from competitions: as long as it's orderly and everything is within their control, they should be the only corporate for everyone.[[/note]] and eliminating the more 'chaotic' variety, creating a monopoly of profit, which is read as being utterly {{greed}}y, but also doing it with various unfair lawful maneuvers. Their profits are then used to further create [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good publicity]] that they look like this caring, benevolent company while in truth, they still needlessly drain the money of the normal people, crushing the poor while others who are gullible see this mostly as a manner of 'convenience' (mostly the rich). Their insides are full of CorruptCorporateExecutive, while the HonestCorporateExecutive are helplessly stomped down into being unable to do anything (or eventually corrupted). In a sense, it's a financial version of TheEmpire above, bringing a bad, monotony order in the world of commerce and finance (they also either go hand-in-hand with the Empire or worse: the Empire can be under their thumbs instead). And thus our heroes would be those who value variety and 'small businesses' and naturally 'proper business ethics', trying to oppose these cheaters who abuse order in the name of self-profit.
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22	Of course, there are also cases where BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous, and GodAndSatanAreBothJerks with GreyAndGrayMorality. However, if this trope is in effect, even if Chaos is presented as a dangerous force, at the very least [[ALighterShadeOfGrey it will be shown]] as [[AffablyEvil a more affable force and perhaps more fun instead of overly restricting.]]
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24	Compare LightIsNotGood, GodIsEvil, SatanIsGood, LibertyOverProsperity, YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters. Nebulous overlap with LawfulStupid; sometimes the BigBad’s plan to establish a perfect order may work a little too well and breed reactionary fanatics. While perhaps not intentionally evil or even malicious on their own, the LawfulStupid tend to react to the new and strange with obstructive contempt at best and rabid hostility at worst due to blind loyalty to the system. Contrast PassionIsEvil, usually considered as what the bringers of Order feared would happen if they don't spread their order to everyone.
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26	The opposite of this would be HobbesWasRight, where the authoritarian bringers of Order, no matter how bad, [[TheExtremistWasRight were necessary]] to prevent even greater damage that unchecked freedom or TheEvilsOfFreeWill would've (and actually had) caused and thus the order-bringers truly believe that it has been proven that 'free will', 'freedom' or 'human rights' could be used as just sweet words to force one (or many)'s opinions which ended up being proven 'usually ending with disasters' and thus they're not going to fall for those moral-based lies or convincing again, [[IDidWhatIHadToDo the authoritive order has to be implemented even if they'll look like soul-crushing evil bastards in the end.]]
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33	* ''Anime/FreshPrettyCure'': The BigBad of the series is Moebius of the Labyrinth, someone who dominates TheMultiverse and turns his victims into {{Empty Shell}}s, devoid of happiness and freedom and only existing to serve him, with every aspect of their lives decided by Moebius (though some like Eas eventually [[HeelFaceTurn broke away]], [[spoiler:followed much later by Westar and Soular]]). [[spoiler:As it turns out, Moebius is actually a supercomputer made by the previously normal people of Labyrinth who wants to manage their heavy lives with better, automated order. Unfortunately for them, Moebius' AIIsACrapshoot and he took over.]]
34	* Dragons in ''Manga/MissKobayashisDragonMaid'' are split into three factions: Order, Chaos, and Unaligned. Within the "Order" faction are dragons who [[LawfulEvil go out of their ways to cause strife among the humans]], such as by demanding {{Human Sacrifice}}s to solve problems they could easily amend, others who abuse human laws to [[AGodAmI make themselves revered as gods]], [[BloodKnight some who just want the excuse to lawfully kill Chaos dragons]], and some who are borderline LawfulStupid. Dragons in the "Chaos" faction include [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] who think that HumansAreTheRealMonsters who kill their friends and family, many who object to [[FantasticRacism humans labelling dragons as]] AlwaysChaoticEvil, [[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinists]] who think that dragons are never morally fallible as long as they can kill anyone who tries to stop them, and many who are simply ChaoticEvil.
35	* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' gives us Frieza, who may be chaotic evil as an individual, but runs an interplanetary empire that is implied to be an example of this. His subjects are kept in line out of fear that their planet may be the next casualty of his wrath and [[spoiler: in the years following his defeat, we see the remaining organization struggling to maintain relevance, indicating both that there was an actual structure to the empire and that it was held together entirely by Frieza's tyranny.]]
36	** A later arc in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' gives us a more extreme example with [[spoiler: Zamasu, an insane god of the OmnicidalManiac variety that wishes to create a perfectly ordered universe... by removing all inferior life from it, including the other gods. The end result may be a generic doomsday plot but it was explicitly set in motion by his digust with the chaotic brutality of the mortal world and the unwillingness of the other kais to "properly police" it by his standards. Unfortunately for him he failed to account for [[TopGod an even higher authority in the heirarchy...]]]]
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40	* In the original ''ComicBook/MenInBlack'' comics, the Men in Black personify Order, but it's Order in the sense of conformity, control, and keeping secrets to preserve the status quo at all costs, even saving a corrupt politician from prosecution or meddling with people's minds. They have no regard for justice, honor, or virtue.
41	* In one issue of ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW'', Discord inverts himself into the Order Spirit "Accord" after coming to think that ChaosIsEvil. [[spoiler:Naturally, this didn't work out: pointing out that [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill individuality is a form of chaos]], he sought to "spread order" by assimilating all ponies into one homogenous MindHive, where everypony would think, act and feel exactly the same.]]
42	* Creator/JackKirby's ''ComicBook/NewGods'' comics were initially very clear in-universe, and he was very open in interviews, that Darkseid was specifically Lawful Evil (fascist) and the good guys were Chaotic Good.
43	* ''ComicBook/SecretWarps:'' The last issue introduces Korvos, who has witnessed the events of the series and believes it is proof the universe is crying out for order. ''His'' order. And did we mention Korvos is made from [[OmnicidalManiac Thanos]] and [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Korvac]]? Because that should probably be a hint how beneficial his idea of order will be.
44	* In ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'', Sonic and his allies from Knothole Village battle the {{Killer Robot}}s and BrainwashedAndCrazy [[UnwillingRoboticisation roboticized citizens]] controlled by Doctor Ivo Robotnik. While this started as a ''coup d'etat'' against the rightful monarchy, Robotnik now seeks to convert all sentient creatures of Mobius into his personal servant corps.
45	* Libra, a lesser-known villain of the ComicBook/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica who's best known for his role in ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis'', models himself on bringing balance. He's also a CardCarryingVillain in league with Darkseid and helping him TakeOverTheWorld.
46	* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW'':
47	** The Functionist Council, one of the ruling powers of pre-war Cybertron, were driven by an obsessive need to make everything fit into a pre-ordained category. Anyone who didn't fit got mutilated until they did. Megatron's earliest political works began as criticisms of their attitude.
48	** Cut forward a million years later, and Megatron's dream of freedom has become so warped that he believes the best thing for Cybertron is a world where he is in absolute, unquestioned control of Cybertron, where everything fits into a pre-ordained category... chosen by ''him''. When Optimus asks what would become of freedom, free will and personal responsibility, Megatron blithely replies "they won't be missed."
49	* In ''ComicBook/TransformersShatteredGlass'', the (recently-created, it's a long story) MirrorUniverse version of [[GodIsGood Primus]] is a tyrannical deity that seeks to eradicate whatever doesn't fit within his vision of universal order.
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53	* The ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' fic author [[http://www.fimfiction.net/user/564/Wheller/stories Wheller]] gives us the {{original\|Character}} [[BigBad villain]] Overdrive, [[spoiler:real name Prince Zephyr, brother of [[SolarAndLunar Celestia and Luna]],]] who imagines his ideal world as a machine, with all sentient life (like [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Ponies]]) as cogs with [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill no free will]] and thus no rebellion, and himself as its operator. To accomplish this, he [[ManipulativeBastard manipulates]] ponies like [[spoiler:[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends Surprise]]]] into having UndyingLoyalty to him, or renders them incapable of disobeying him ([[spoiler:Poor Applejack...]]) and in the latter case, threatens them somehow into compliance. And he's called the "Paragon of Order" despite all those things.
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57	* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' original trilogy possibly popularized this term, where the story is about a group of heroic rebels under LaResistance trying to free the galaxy from one of fiction's most iconic [[TheEmpire empires]], led by the evil Emperor Palpatine. The film's popularity entrenched in the minds of its fandom that empires and order, in general, are heavily evil, and [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority dashing rebels tend to be good hero material]]. The prequels and expanded universe novels, comics, games and TV shows {{subverted\|Trope}} this however with a Lawful Good (if somewhat flawed) Jedi Order and Republic and the presence of Neutral and Chaotic Evil antagonists, and overall made it more of a MoralityKitchenSink.
58	* Creator/GeorgeLucas (who is the father of the franchise above) directed ''Film/THX1138'' in 1971, the story of a nameless production manager who goes rogue in a BigBrotherIsWatching {{Dystopia}}. The populace is kept docile with psychotropics and sedatives in their food, and surveillance cameras and android police are everywhere.
59	* Lord Business of ''WesternAnimation/TheLEGOMovie'' is obsessed with everything meeting his idea of order. To that end, he has suppressed creativity, arrested and tortured anyone that makes any change he has not approved of, brainwashes the populace with mindless consumer products, and his EvilPlan is to use a superweapon to freeze the entire universe so no one will mess with his stuff. [[spoiler: He is an exaggeration of The Man Upstairs, a father who doesn't want his son to mess around with his Lego sets and glues things in place to keep them "perfect".]] The Builders' [[WeAreStrugglingTogether extreme disorganization]] skirts the line with BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous, but they're definitely not villainous.
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63	* ''Literature/TheElricSaga'', by Creator/MichaelMoorcock, takes place in a multiverse where BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous. The "Evil Aspect" of Law is portrayed as an entity called "The Singularity" or "The Original Insect"; a force that seeks to suppress creativity, individuality and change, until ultimately it attains "perfect order" -- a lifeless, cold, empty void in which there is ''nothing''. The Original Insect is typically personified as [[AnimalisticAbomination an insectile horror so large that it devours entire planets and which exists to consume entire universes, until ultimately it eats itself out of existence]].
64	* A major theme in ''Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium'', as the author himself fully equates mechanisation in progress and warfare with evil. Sauron fell because he wanted to impose order on the world, and the orcs are talented technicians.
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68	* ''Series/Babylon5'' ultimately reveals that [[spoiler: The Vorlons]] are this - when things stop going according to their script, they roll out superweapons capable of destroying entire planets, intent on wiping out any civilisation that might be tainted by their enemy - and quite possibly planning to move on to anyone else that threatens their plans.
69	* ''Series/BlackMirror'': ''[[Recap/BlackMirrorNosedive Nosedive]]'' takes place in a future dystopia where everybody uses a social media platform (think Facebook meets Trip Advisor) to rate each other. Your rating determines every aspect of your life, including where you can live or work, who you can associate with and even ''your priority for cancer treatment''. Society is highly regimented and constrictive, perhaps even moreso than a traditional totalitarian government dystopia because ''everybody'' is a vacuous {{narcissist}} who is constantly judging everything you do, and if you act out and make someone else upset or offended or even just use BrutalHonesty, they'll think you are being a {{Jerkass}} and downvote you, which will have serious real-world consequences on your life - in one scene a work colleague of the protagonist is downvoted to such a degree that he is barred from entering the building he works in and he presumably loses his job. And if your rating drops low enough, [[spoiler:then you are arrested and imprisoned, possibly indefinitely, which is what happens to the protagonist of the episode. To top it off, this scenario is actually treated as a BittersweetEnding because she is downright giddy that she can finally say whatever she wants and finally have real friendships and connections with the other prisoners.]]
70	* Light, the alien entity in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' story [[Recap/DoctorWhoS26E2GhostLight Ghost Light]], is attempting to create a catalogue of all life on Earth, but is utterly unable to cope with the fact that things keep changing and ultimately decides that a perfectly-ordered catalogue is preferable to all this chaos - in other words, best to just [[OmnicidalManiac end all life on Earth]] so it can move on. [[spoiler: The Doctor [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath points out that Light itself keeps changing, because change is inevitable]], and Light expires. The Doctor comments, "Subject for Catalogue: File under Imagination, comma, Lack Of."]]
71	* This is one of the main themes of ''Series/KamenRiderOutsiders''. In this crossover anthology, a supposedly BenevolentAI called Zein seeks to study human benevolence and also [[spoiler:seeking to usher humanity into a [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans utopia without human malice]]]], which compromises the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil. In reality, Zein envisions its ideal world without malice that of a totalitarian dystopia in all of its worst qualities-- [[BewareTheSuperman abuse of power]], [[PayEvilUntoEvil use of excessive force against its enemies]], [[ControlFreak culling off perceived insubordination on its own allies]], [[KillAllHumans genocide]], {{propaganda\|Machine}}, and [[BigBrotherIsWatching widespread global surveillance]]; all of which inspire fear and paranoia from both the villains and people who aren't even engaged in anything remotely evil. Hence Project Outsiders was created by Foundation X to oppose Zein before it could become a clear and present danger to the world if left unchecked.
72	* While nothing is shown on screen in ''Series/TheLordOfTheRingsTheRingsOfPower'', Adar tells Galadriel what Sauron did after the defeat of Morgoth. He went in the farthest northern parts of Middle-earth followed by his Orcs, where he began a series of EvilutionaryBiologist level of experiments on the Orcs because he wanted to create something with which he could order and rule Middle-earth. His bad treatment of the Orcs got him "[[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal split open]]".
73	* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' has the Dominion, an interstellar [[TheEmpire empire]] whose [[GodEmperor Founders]] explicitly describe their mission as "imposing order on a chaotic universe". This is at least partly a principled-sounding gloss on the Founders' deep-seated paranoia and xenophobia, which drives them to seek absolute power to ensure their own safety.
74	* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' introduced the Borg Collective: a society whose citizens have their brains wired together, creating a hardwired HiveMind. The Borg live in their cube-shaped spacecraft, and cherry-pick other civilizations back to the Bronze Age. Until their second encounter with Captain Picard, the Borg had seemed an irresistible force. "Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile." Interestingly for this trope, their main opponent is a far more benevolent form of Order in the LawfulGood [[TheFederation Federation]].
75	* Engerraund Serac of ''Series/{{Westworld}}'' is one of [[BigBrotherIsWatching Rehoboam]]'s creators who believe that order must absolutely be instilled on humanity to guide them into a better future after having seen his home being destroyed by a nuke and that Rehoboam predicted humanity's demise. To do that, Rehoboam gathers all of humanity's personal data and uses them to dictate what should they do in their lives. The cost of this is that humans are living in an illusion of choice, growing too dependent on Rehoboam's dictation, with their daily lives perpetually stuck in routines and loops. If the system considers you a lost cause, then you don't have better opportunities to improve yourself, forcing you to be stuck into menial jobs until it drives you into an early grave. Meanwhile, those who don't equate to Rehoboam's dictation are considered to be outliers where they are reconditioned via AR therapy to become better members of society. But those who failed the therapy are sent into a cryogenic state and declared dead. Serac and Rehoboam's obsession with control and order on humanity confirmed [[MisanthropeSupreme Robert Ford]]'s statement that the humans are very similar to the [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Hosts]], where they're stuck in loops and any aberrant are sent into cold storage. And yet by the end of Season 3, [[spoiler:Serac turns out to be Rehoboam's puppet who depends on its instruction from an earpiece]]. The irony of this? Everything that Serac had done is delaying the inevitable where humanity would soon be wiped out and the Hosts would take their place which eventually became true in Season 4 [[spoiler:when the host counterpart of Hale, who is a copy of Dolores, conquers humanity and enslaves them, putting them into narratives just their kind and using Serac's methods to control them]].
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79	* UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} is usually perceived as this to modern audiences, with [[GodIsEvil the Demiurge]] and his Archons holding dominion over the world and generally being associated with soul-crushing order.
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83	* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' stance is usually Chaotic is no more evil then Lawful, with ChaoticGood being just as good as LawfulGood, ChaoticNeutral just as Neutral as LawfulNeutral, and ChaoticEvil equally evil as LawfulEvil. Many iconic monsters like Devils and Orcs (later made into Hobgoblins) being LawfulEvil. Though sometimes the perception that ChaosIsEvil is played straight, mainly due to popular fan perception.
84	* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'':
85	** Invoked in that this is a large part of the philosophy of Red Mana, hence the reason it's enemies with White Mana (literally associated with order and community) and Blue Mana (knowledge and control), but like all the colors Red exists in a spectrum. At its best, this results in ChaoticGood heroes like [[BlackMage Chandra]] [[PlayingWithFire Nalaar]]. At its worst, you get ChaoticEvil anarchists or villains who do things ForTheEvulz.
86	** This is also explicitly a major flaw of White Mana, which is why "White Mana-aligned" [[LightIsNotGood isn't synonymous with being Good]]. White Mana centers around Order and Community as its driving values. At its ''positive'', this creates strongly united, harmonious cultures. At its ''negative'', this creates tyranny and [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill the suppression of individuality]].
87	** Played straight on the plane of Ravnica, where all of the White Mana Guilds display this to some extent. The Azorius Senate are hyper-conservatives, who promote the most byzantine and obstructive bureaucracy imaginable to stymie ''any'' attempts to change the way Ravnica works and who value the law far more than the people who follow it. The Boros Legion are {{Knight Templar}}s who will enforce brutal and oppressive laws passed by the Azorius Senate. The Orzhov Syndicate are a CorruptChurch who exploit those under them, enfolding them in literally soul-crushing chains of debt and guilt and binding the spirits of dead debtors to [[WorkOffTheDebt work off what they owe]] as ghostly laborers. And then we have the Selesnya Conclave, perhaps the most triumphant example of this trope on the plane, who are essentially a MindHive {{cult}} that seeks to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill exterminate free will and individuality completely]] in the name of harmony.
88	* In ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'', all three of the "Law Dedicated" Factions showcase this, as Sigil is kind of a CrapsackWorld:
89	** The Fraternity of Order, the least offensive, are essentially what happens when you combine a stereotypical data-crunching nerd, an ObstructiveBureaucrat, and a RulesLawyer in a blender and then put the results in charge of the legal and judicial governing of the city.
90	** The Mercykillers are a bunch of homicidal, hide-bound justice freaks -- their name is not to be taken literally; they want to ''kill mercy'' in pursuit of purer delivery of justice. They're Sigil's jailers and executioners.
91	** Perhaps the worst of the lot are the Harmonium, who actively crusade under the banner of ChaosIsEvil, but whom are made clear to basically disapprove of independence, free-thinking and anything that entails not being part of their narrowly defined group-think policies. Just on the ground level, it's bad enough that they have a strong continent of {{Dirty Cop}}s who, amongst more mundane corruption exercise FantasticRacism against the Indeps[[note]]Sigilites who have formally declared they have no intention of joining a Faction[[/note]], up to and including beating them, imprisoning them under false charges, and even murdering them. But the rot goes ''all the way up'', and even the Harmonium's current leader, who is ''ThePaladin'', will showcase some of the poison: if the party reveals this is going on to him, the offenders will ultimately get away with a slap on the wrist, because as far as the Harmonium is concerned, their only misconduct is acting without awaiting orders to do so first. More dramatic examples of their connection to this trope include the time when their barbarous "re-education" experiments caused an entire LawfulGood plane to break off from its neighbors and merge into the LawfulNeutral plane instead, and the little fact that they ''committed '''genocide''''' on all the Neutral and Chaotic races on their homeworld. Including the ''NeutralGood and ChaoticGood ones''.
92	* ''TabletopGame/WarhammerAgeOfSigmar'': The Grand Alliance Of Order are the super-faction that contain the de facto protagonist factions. While they are by far the most sympathetic, containing multiple unambiguously heroic, noble, and compassionate characters (Gardus Steelsoul, Neeve Blacktalon, and Gotrek Gurnisson to name a few) compared to the almost universally villainous other Alliances, they aren't inherently so. The Aelves all have different shades of BlueAndOrangeMorality and will perform actions that seem monstrous by human standards; the Seraphon and Sylvaneth are alien and can be just as dangerous in their pursuit of their definitions of Order; the Stormcast Eternals and Cities Of Sigmar are prone to becoming [[KnightTemplars Knight Templars]]. They're still far and away the most objectively "good" groups in the setting by every definition, but this trope is definitely in effect.
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96	* ''Franchise/FireEmblem'':
97	** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn'': As it turns out, [[spoiler:the Goddess of Order Ashera is the BigBad and wants to create a perfectly orderly world of her design, which requires every living being in the world to [[TakenForGranite be turned to stone]]. On the other hand, the resident Goddess of Chaos, Yune, is more personable. {{Discussed\|Trope}} extensively when Yune explains that both Order and Chaos are morally neutral forces, and that she and Ashera govern ''all'' positive and negative aspects of their respective domains. Whether a goddess retains the positive aspects of her domain or succumbs to the negative aspects depends on her connection to mortals; Yune kept that because she spent her imprisonment surrounded by the songs of the heron clan, while Ashera lost it because [[GoMadFromTheIsolation she spent her slumber in complete isolation]]]].
98	** On a less cosmic scale, during ''Radiant Dawn''[='s=] predecessor, ''VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance'', the main antagonist force is the country of Daein, led by the Mad King Ashnard, an evil SocialDarwinist who seeks to create a society where MightMakesRight and the weak are brutally ruled over by the strong. In the aftermath of the game, the more orderly Begnion, allies of Ike and the Crimean army, took over Daein in a bid to bring order to the land. Unfortunately, the Begnion Senate is largely made up of [[AristocratsAreEvil corrupt nobles]] who wind up making things even worse (to the point that some in Daein ''preferred'' living under Ashnard), and they become the main antagonists of ''Radiant Dawn'' Also, the deity Begnion worships? [[spoiler:The aforementioned Ashera.]]
99	** Double-subverted in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar''. The antagonist Arvis strives to create an orderly, peaceful utopia/empire even at the cost of [[spoiler:killing the main character Sigurd, and [[HeroKiller succeeding at it.]]]] Once he's done his deed, he did his best to actually make his reign as Grannvale Emperor a peaceful and well-loved one. But thanks to a bit of miscalculation, he ended up watching the good, orderly Empire he built up spiral headlong into a straight example of the trope, requiring a new liberation army led by Seliph to set things right and bring freedom and peace back to Jugdral.
100	** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'', [[spoiler:the archbishop Rhea becomes the BigBad of the Crimson Flower route, as the policies she put in place to maintain stability across Fódlan wind up locking the continent in a lengthy MedievalStasis, prompting the war that spans the second half of the game. Even on other routes where Rhea isn't the BigBad, all of the characters agree that ''some'' kind of change needed to happen. Rhea agrees with this somewhat, but unless proven otherwise, witnessing the horrors of the Red Canyon massacre convince her that [[HumansAreBastards humanity is inherently chaotic and/or evil]] and [[IDidWhatIHadToDo the status quo had to be preserved in order to keep mankind's more destructive tendencies in check]]. If she survives the whole game with her sanity intact, she'll acknowledge that mankind has matured enough to not need guidance and order anymore and allows the status quo to be changed.]]
101	* ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'': The Abbey led by Artorius Colbrande swore to rid the world of evil and bring order and reason to the world by upholding TheNeedsOfTheMany. However, the Abbey's methods are [[CorruptChurch questionable at best]] and completely suppress freedom [[spoiler:(which is exactly the point, as they are against TheEvilsOfFreeWill)]], including liberal use of a SlaveRace (the malakhim) as expendable tools, killing daemons under the pretense that all humans will eventually turn into daemons and a swift death is the only solution, and a hostile takeover of a local religion to replace with its own. The AntiHeroTeam led by Velvet has plenty of [[ItsPersonal personal]] reasons to oppose the Abbey, but most reasons boil down to "freedom from the Abbey's tyranny".
102	* Happens quite a lot in Creator/BlizzardEntertainment's main franchises:
103	** ''VideoGame/StarCraftIIWingsOfLiberty'' and to an extension ''VideoGame/StarCraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm'' has this dynamic, with Jim Raynor being the heroic dashing RebelLeader of Raynor's Raiders helping people that were put under the tyranny of Dominion's Arcturus Mengsk's iron-fisted governmental order where he curbs freedom and truth that doesn't convenience him while claiming that he's doing it for his people's own good, though Raynor also [[ItsPersonal has a major personal beef against Mengsk]] for this. Sarah Kerrigan (The Queen of Blades who controls the Zerg swarm that ravages the galaxy) finishes the job in the latter by personally killing Mengsk, allowing his son Valerian take over and subvert the trope come ''VideoGame/StarCraftIILegacyOfTheVoid'', turning the Dominion into a force of good while keeping order.
104	** ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'': While the orderly High Heavens are very unhelpful thanks to the de facto leader Imperius disliking humans, they are at most neutral. In the ''Reaper of Souls'' expansion, the previous leader of the High Heavens Malthael returns as an AxCrazy angel of death hellbent on restoring balance and order to the universe by killing everything that has a demon taint on it, [[KillAllHumans including all humans]], to ensure that the High Heavens win the Eternal Conflict and has the right to rule all creations. For that, the Nephalems kicked his ass. In addition, the Nephalems found out that the High Heavens were adamant to win over the Eternal Conflict so they could get the rights to rule all creation with their order, regardless of how much destruction on the world would be caused. Needless to say, they are not amused to the High Heavens in general, save for a few good ones (like Tyrael).
105	** ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'': The Vishkar Corporation is obsessed with bringing order into the world and has renovated their country India into a beautiful country after the Omnic Crisis. Their methods, however, are very shady, including plucking out a talented child from their poverty and molded her into their enforcer/cheerleader; one of the playable characters, Symmetra; as well as enforcing curfew, bombing rival companies and slavery on poor people without care of their welfare, as long as they can renovate and bring order while claiming that they did it for the greater good. Even an indoctrinated person like Symmetra herself start to doubt if this was really the case, and when Lucio rebels against them and frees his people from Vishkar's renovation, he's instantly hailed as the obvious hero, and Vishkar is obviously the villainous one. Unfortunately, since Symmetra is still obsessed with order and sticks with Vishkar, she often gets considered as the villainous one when facing Lucio.
106	* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' has the Law faction, representing Order in the OrderVersusChaos conflict. The faction is often depicted as beings who seek to control others for the glory of [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] at those who think an authoritarian ruler is needed for the people's own good. Unlike other examples, they also usually portray Chaos (represented by Lucifer) negatively as well, showing their common ideology being one of SocialDarwinism. The result can be summed up as GodAndSatanAreBothJerks and some levels of GreyAndGrayMorality, but [[GodIsEvil YHVH's badness]] (and ValuesDissonance, while the Japanese audience sees that YHVH's order can be more reasonable due to their values on societal harmony, the Western audience considered such restrictive order that curbs freedom not a worthy exchange for societal harmony) kind of leads to the Law faction being more hated by the fandom and considered more 'evil' with some of their good traits usually not even considered.
107	** ''VideoGame/Persona5'': The BigBad of the game is [[spoiler:the resident God of Control, Yaldabaoth (same being from the Gnostic bible), who takes advantage of the people of Tokyo's subconscious desire of wanting to be guided with an order without making their own decisions, being content with their orderly lives.]] It takes a group of Phantom Thieves led by Protagonist Joker, a group of people that takes their fates to their own hands and not wanting to be bogged down by the rigid order to break through his game and defeat him. Furthering this, most of the Phantom Thieves' Personas are modeled after rogue figures that rebel against the authority, with Joker's ultimate persona being the ultimate rebel: [[spoiler:[[SatanIsGood Satanael, the angel that rebelled against God and ended up being known as the Devil.]]]]
108	* ''VideoGame/SoulSeries'': The titular Soul Calibur at first was thought as a holy sword meant to bring order against the chaotic Soul Edge, which is pure evil. Unfortunately, its plan to bring order is to freeze the entire world to create a world of silence, and it sees humans as nothing but tools to manipulate. Naturally, even some heroes were pissed at this and abandoned it.
109	* ''Franchise/BlazBlue'': The Novis Orbus Librarium (NOL) at first was presented like this, having brought order to the ravaged world, but went very tyrannical about it while also conducting a lot of dangerous experiments, curbing a rival federation that attempted to regain their independence (Ikaruga), and the hero is Ragna the Bloodedge, a rebel that destroys NOL facilities for his own personal reasons and has a bounty on his head. However, eventually double-subverted that NOL as a whole is a mixed bag, there are also genuinely good orderly people like Kagura Mutsuki... who eventually rebels against the current NOL to fix the organization. As it turns out, it was just that bad because it was manipulated by the BigBad, Yuki Terumi, a thoroughly despicable scum.
110	* ''[[Franchise/BreathOfFire Breath of Fire series]]'': The overarching storyline of games 1-3 involves the Dragons' attempts to rise up and overthrow the world's deity, Myria, while Myria herself often manipulates factions to attempt to eradicate the Dragon Clan. The first game pits you against Myria with no explanation. The second game pits you against her remnant which formed a ReligionOfEvil. The third game has her revive properly, and it is only then that the player learns that she is a source of nurturing and stability for the world, and without her, the chaos of nature would reign supreme. On the flipside, under her reign, people have limited freedom and enforced MedievalStasis.
111	* ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' is the story of Zero fighting the local government Neo Arcadia, a post-apocalyptic oppressive government. While they strive on making a utopia, they're facing an energy crisis, and by the orders of its (generally incompetent) leader, Reploids (robots) are to be cut down in numbers systematically; they are also made into second class citizens despite their full conscience. The Resistance is made by Ciel as a shelter for protecting Reploids who are endangered by Neo Arcadia and those who choose to leave the city, which is where our hero Zero belongs to. It gets worse in ''VideoGame/MegaManZero3'', in which [[BigBad Dr. Weil]] usurps Neo Arcadia's leader and then makes the empire a living hell where humans now get the "Maverick" treatment that is usually used for Reploids, to the point that a few humans tried to flee the place for the LastFertileRegion Area Zero and Weil then tries to destroy said region.
112	* ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'': Two examples have come up.
113	** For the most part, the Templars faction is the force of order in the verse and the main antagonist, apparently having conspiracies that make them behind many things in history. Many times, the Assassins point out their idea of order would be a world where everyone is subsumed to their will.
114	--->'''Edward Kenway:''' You would see all of mankind corralled into a neatly furnished prison, safe and sober, yet dulled beyond reason and sapped of all spirit.
115	** The Instruments of the First Will, a {{Cult}} dedicated to [[spoiler:[[GreaterScopeVillain Juno]]]], is even worse, as they lack even the limited standards of the Templars, and instead want to enforce [[spoiler:the reinstitution of [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil slavery]] of mankind to the remaining [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien Isu]]]] and are even more hateful of free will.
116	** ''Origins'' has recordings from a group of Isu, one of whom laments that the Isu as a whole believed in order, which was what ultimately killed them, since it stopped them finding a way to prevent their extinction, and prevents anyone else from finding a way to ScrewDestiny.
117	* ''Videogame/AzureStrikerGunvolt:'' The [[MegaCorp Sumeragi Group]] is pretty much the de facto government in the series, especially regarding [[PsychicChildren Adepts]], but also in military, technological advancements, economics etc. They work on maintaining a peaceful country (implied to be Japan) where humans and Adepts can live in peace despite the FantasticRacism, but unbeknownst to most people, they also like capturing certain Adepts and [[PlayingWithSyringes perform hideous experiments on them]] and making Adepts' lives endangered in general, which is the concern for [[LaResistance QUILL]], an organization devoted for protecting Adepts from Sumeragi Group's clutches. Our hero Gunvolt is an Adept and member of QUILL, who are tasked to stop the Adept higher-ups of Sumeragi called the Swordsmen; a good number of them are Sumeragi's enforcers, while at least two of them (Elise and Stratos) are actually victims of their experiments and abuse. Their leader, Nova, also revealed that they plan to use the power of the Muse (i.e the powers of your Adept companion, Joule) as a catalyst of controlling Adepts worldwide; Gunvolt is understandably against this. Note, however, that Nova throws his point that without Sumeragi to keep the Adepts in line, nothing will prevent Adepts from abusing their powers and destroying the world. In one supplemental material, this apparently has happened; Adepts' shenanigans really have torn the world apart and it's by Sumeragi's efforts that they can keep at least one country in check. The second game even introduces new Adept villains who use the downfall of Sumeragi as their starting point of their KillAllHumans plan.
118	* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', the ''Shivering Isles'' expansion exaggerates this by having the realm of madness be invaded by Knights of Order, whose vision of order is turning the whole place into a desolate lifeless wasteland, filled with gray crystalline structures. The player works with Sheogorath, the Daedric Prince of Madness, in order to stop this from happening. The Knights of Order leader, Jyggalag, is the Daedric Prince of Order and has something to do with Sheogoroath: [[spoiler:the other Daedric Princes turned him into Sheogorath to stop his power because he threatened to control ''everything''.]]
119	* Implied and defied in ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight''. Dracula claims that [[NotSoDifferentRemark his actions were no different with the actions of the order humans call 'religion']]. However, Richter tells him that [[ShutUpHannibal he's full of crap about it]], because in this verse, the religious order are actually good.
120	-->'''Richter''': You steal men's souls and make them your slaves!\
121	'''Dracula''': Perhaps the same could said of all religions.\
122	'''Richter''': Your words are as empty as your soul!
123	* ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'': Superman's Regime is an absolutely totalitarian and brutal government that aims to impose peace through fear, and has made countless of victims across Earth and beyond (many of them were his former allies). It still acknowledged as a force of order that managed to end warfare and conflict, to the point the [[WarGod Greek God of War]] [[Franchise/WonderWoman Ares]] is extremely weakened with no more strife and violence to feed him, allowing mortal heroes to kick his ass. When the Regime is toppled, balance is completely ruined and the order enforced by the Regime crumbles with supervillains coming out of the woodwork to fill in the power gap. In the [[VideoGame/Injustice2 sequel]], ComicBook/{{Brainiac}} invades Earth and the Lords of Order, PowersThatBe who watch over balance, allow it to happen because it will restore order to Earth - even though Brainiac will [[PlanetLooters harvest all valuable contents]] and [[PlanetDestroyer destroy what is left]], and attempting to stop him will trigger a ''potentially worse disaster in the horizon''. In his MirrorMatch, Doctor Fate shows doubt and anger at the Lords of Order abandoning humanity while the other Fate sticks to their will.
124	* The factions in ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}'' are split on Order and Chaos. Order is presented with bright blue colors, more pleasant scenery and an angelic Titan, but according to the backstory, the Order side is made to subjugate mankind who were drifting away from [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly giving prayers to the Gods]], to restore the order of old. Chaos values the freedom and protection of mankind but is represented with red color, dark scenery, and a fiery, brutish Titan. And according to the supplemental materials like the comics, more virtuous deities like Athena are on the Chaos side...
125	* [[BigBad Galeem]] of ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' wants to bring the universe under his control, by eviscerating everyone and everything. [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous Of course, his counterpart]] [[spoiler:[[ChaosIsEvil Dharkon]]]] [[BothOrderAndChaosAreDangerous isn't any better]].
126	* ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'': A running theme in later works in the series is the idea that perfect order must inevitably lead to stagnation, and a slow death of the human race.
127	** ''VideoGame/FateExtra'': The Harwey family rules over most of Earth, and is poised to take over the rest of it, after a huge disaster of an unspecified nature lead to magic disappearing and a slow decline of humanity. Their ideal is to uphold the status quo at all costs, as they believe this ensures a longer lasting survival for everyone. Most of the heroic characters are of the opinion that this will only lead to humanity's extinction, perhaps over hundreds or thousands of years, but extinction nonetheless, as development, growth, and innovation are necessary for humanity to thrive.
128	** ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'': The goal of the first BigBad in the story is to stop humanity from ever dying. He plans to do this by annihilating humanity [[RetGone and its history]] in its present form, [[spoiler:using that as fuel to go back to the beginning of time]], and molding a new humanity to his own ideals. To hear him describe it, this new "humanity" would have more in common with plants than anything else: they would be eternal and undying, but they wouldn't really do anything other than sit around and exist. On the other hand, the story generally avoids the trope going hand-in-hand with GodIsEvil or the likes, since one reason why the BigBad failed was because [[spoiler:the Abrahamic God predicted that scheme and put a countermeasure to make sure the plan to save humanity go without a hitch, in form one of His most trusted chosen ones: King Solomon.]]
129	*** The third "Cosmos in the Lostbelt" storyline deals with an alternate timeline in which Qin Shi Huang managed to achieve immortality and conquered the world, thus creating a world that is completely stable at the cost of keeping the populaces docile by outlawing all forms of knowledge he deems "Confucian" as well as culling them before they reach old age to keep them from suffering. This has the effect of making a world where human potential has been completely crippled, thus causing it to be a doomed timeline that was "pruned" from "Proper Human History".
130	*** The sixth Lostbelt is an unique case of this trope being [[spoiler:PlayedWith or inverted.]] When the heroes arrive, they find the idyllic land of [[TheFairFolk Fae]] to be under the extreme tyranny of Lostbelt Morgan le Fae where aside of some sadistic mistakes here and there, the Fae are fighting for their freedom to do their fun and purposes instead of living under the thumb of Morgan, not to mention the heroes needed something from Morgan and needed her to be deposed for that. But... [[spoiler:The Fae, in their own nature, is very hell bent to keep their freedom of their fun and purposes, in which they also see 'flipping from being fun-loving to sadistic freaks' as something they want to keep and ''they absolutely don't like being ordered around'', having screwed up the world and a benevolent God several times in the past for 'telling them what to do'. The world has gone through several time loops where Morgan tried to save them, but she got backstabbed by them every time in the most cruel fashion possible while the Fae think that her sight of despair is something fun. Eventually Morgan snapped and [[HobbesWasRight decided to be a cruel, authoritarian dictator, actually bringing a semblance of order in the world]] (and making the Fae pay for their disproportionate misdeeds), but even that was eventually undone again and she was killed in the most humiliating and brutal fashion possible like a despot being dethroned... and then the Fae indulged in their unrestrained, full of freedom, self-destructive nature by doing pointless bloody wars that their world was destroyed by something akin of GaiasVengeance and this history was pruned. Thus, it makes the Order side the LesserOfTwoEvils when compared to the freedom side of the Fae.]]
131	* Saradomin, the God of Order in ''VideoGame/RuneScape'' is typically assumed to also be the God of Good among most humans in the setting, contrasting him with Zamorak, the GodOfChaos, typically portrayed as evil. Neither is true, as although Saradomin often advocates peace among civilization as a means to maintain order, he is also not above commanding armors to enforce his particular variety of peace or to advance his own agenda. His reputation is at least partially derived from the fact that Saradomin and the human race originate from the same plane, [[DeityOfHumanOrigin and that he ascended from among their number]]. He is contrasted with [[WingedHumanoid Armadyl]], the God of Justice, who is more pacifistic and less decisive, and Zaros, the God of Control and Fate, who maintained a significantly more ordered EvilEmpire in centuries past.
132	* This is the stated reason for the main conflict in ''VideoGame/StreetsOfRogue'', with the rebellion rising up against the extreme tyranny of the mayor. In practice however the setting is such an inherently chaotic place that any sort of order behind the dystopian regime is something of an InformedAttribute.
133	* PlayedWith with ''VideoGame/HeroesOfMightAndMagic'' series, whereas there is an Academy/Order faction, but it's nowhere as evil or good as any other faction (including Chaos/Dungeon faction, although it has a tendency to showcase the bad side); although it has implications of the usage of SlaveRace and curbing their freedom, [[GoodIsNotNice it's one of the good factions]]. ''IV'' has the more classical take of OrderIsNotGood in form of Gavin Magnus, who was once a good Order leader but [[ApocalypseHow the Reckoning]] [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope broke him]] that he decided that the next best thing is to rob everyone of their free will and therefore creating a perfect new world. His opposition is ''another'' Order hero, Emilia Nighthaven, who actually defied the trope, making her Queendom an epitome of fair and just order and being a generally BenevolentMageRuler-slash-MagneticHero that while maintaining order to prevent her people to suffer from chaotic anarchy and plundering, she still respects her subjects' free will.
134	* ''Franchise/MassEffect:'' The Reapers see themselves as imposing order on all races. They do this by showing up, wiping out huge chunks of those races, doing worse to the ones they don't kill, and never once bothering to explain ''why'' they're doing it.
135	* ''VideoGame/SonicFrontiers'': The BigBad [[spoiler:is an EldritchAbomination known as "THE END" which is a [[PlanetEater consumer of worlds]] and boasts of its past actions during the TrueFinalBoss fight as having brought "all the teeming chaos of creation" to order, neutrality, and [[OmnicidalManiac nothing]]]].
136	* ''VideoGame/Splatoon3'': The BigBad of the DLC expansion Side Order is a rogue AI literally named Order, who seeks to create an unchanging world void of color, chaos, or any semblance of free will.
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140	* ''Webcomic/The10Doctors'' takes this approach to the White Guardian, who in the series was generally depicted as benevolent, or at least as clearly better than the Black Guardian. The webcomic points out that a total victory by Order would be just as bad as a total victory by Chaos, and underlines it by saying that the White Guardian approves of [[OmnicidalManiac the Daleks]], because they represent an attempt to impose order and uniformity on a chaotic universe.
141	* Corey Messer's UsefulNotes/{{Furry\|Fandom}} Webcomic ''Webcomic/PlushAndBlood'' focuses on Fox and Grey, two of the last resistance fighters against President Brown and his Broken Circle party. Brown maintains a StepfordSuburbia by brainwashing a percentage of citizens into HiveMind social agents. The peace that results, in Brown's mind, justifies his ironclad rule.
142	* ''WebComic/KillSixBillionDemons'': While evil examples of both order and chaos are abound in the rotting Multiverse, the comic comes down more on this side than the alternative. The current order of the Multiverse, created by the non-aggression pact between the [[BigBadEnsemble Seven]] and the rules set down by TheCreator, are really bad for most of its inhabitants, and the role of TheChosenOne is implied to be to break the current order. The best example of the trope directly is Solomon David, the Demiurge of {{Pride}}, who is both this and LightIsNotGood by being a brutal KnightTemplar GodEmperor who imposes his order on his seventh of the universe, usually by brutally killing anyone who does not fit into his system. Angels are literally made form the stuff of order, but whereas the devils of chaos are AlwaysChaoticEvil, the angels are not particularly good.
143	* ''Webcomic/DominicDeegan'': Order, in the form of the metaphysical plane of Law, represents logic and order, but also oppression and conformity when applied in excess. Raf [=MaLiksh=], an elven leader who represented Law, demonstrated this when his oppressive regime results in riots and his own creation - Acibek, a golem created from law and order magic - to turn on him.
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147	* In Creator/{{Disney}}'s ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries'', this trope is used with Mechanikles, the Grecian MadScientist. His "Orderly" nature manifests itself through the combination of his NeatFreak and ObsessivelyOrganized traits, and many of his schemes are aimed at making the world "neater". This leads to him attempting to, among other things, burn Arabia to the ground in order to melt the deserts into an enormous expanse of glass, destroy the Rainforest of Thundra from which originates all the rain in the world, and ''boil the oceans to steam-clean the world'', which would have resulted in the destruction of all life on the planet.
148	* ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' featured the Matrix, a HiveMind {{Nanomachines}} swarm whose only directive is to "bring order to the world". It chooses to interpret this as meaning "absorb all matter and reprocess it as a lifeless crystalline landscape". Then, a subversion comes up: ReformedCriminal Dingo points out that Order can also be defined as law and justice. Intrigued, the Matrix asks Dingo to [[SuperheroOrigin show it this new kind of order]].
149	* ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'' features [[BoardingSchoolOfHorrors St. Olga's School For Wayward Princesses]], a reform school that brainwashes its students into giving up their individuality and behaving like perfect princesses. While some of the princesses are in genuine need of reform, the lengths that St. Olga's is willing to go to maintain order are chilling. Later the show introduces the Magic High Commission, a group of god-like entities responsible for maintaining order in the multiverse. While at first they seem to be LawfulGood, over time it's revealed that they unilaterally imprison anyone who ''might'' be a threat to the universe, including those who haven't actually committed any crimes yet. They are also at least partially responsible for the systematic oppression of monsters in Mewni, going so far as imprisoning Queen Eclipsa [[spoiler: when she had a half-monster child out of wedlock, [[UnPerson Un-Personing]] said child and replacing her with a random peasant girl]].
150	* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' has this as the central theme behind the primary conflict. The gem empire has an extremely rigid caste system where everyone is literally built to perform a specific function, is expected to want nothing else out of life and any imperfections (both physical and social) are punished harshly. They conquer planets purely to mine them of resources to make more subjects and repeat the cycle anew, slowly converting the entire universe to a static heirarchy beneath the diamonds. The chaotic freedom of life on Earth, where every organic creature naturally grows and changes on a daily basis, left such an impression on some gems [[spoiler: most notably Pink Diamond, who faked her own death in order to abandon her throne and live free among humanity]] that it sparked a revolution which was technically still going by the start of the show. Ultimately [[spoiler: this conflict is resolved by Steven convincing the remaining three diamonds that their restrictive society is just making everyone miserable, even themselves.]]
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