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8	->''"If [the Reavers] take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing. And, if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order."''
9	-->-- '''Zoe Washburn''', ''Series/{{Firefly}}''
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11	A common tag on to threats of sexual violence, mutilation and death, the phrase "in that order" (or alternatively "not necessarily in that order") works by implication of bizarre forms of punishment achievable by switching the order around. It can be used in a serious context to raise a scary threat to levels of {{Squick}} or in a comedic context to just make the acts seem ridiculous.
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13	Can be combined with ArsonMurderAndJaywalking, if the "final" punishment would be pretty inconsequential following the others.
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15	It is also very common to simply imply the trope by stressing the word of ordering. God bless italics. %%Note to future editors: Description ''then'' examples.
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17	!!Examples:
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21	[[folder:Anime and Manga ]]
22	* In the [[AdaptationDisplacement oft-forgotten]] manga version of ''Manga/ExcelSaga'', Excel at one point tells Hyatt, "You were in a tight spot back there, Ha-Chan! If I hadn't jumped in, you would a' been buried... then murdered... then defiled!" to which Hyatt can only respond, "In exactly that order?"
23	* [[ImpliedTrope Implied]] in ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia''. [[spoiler: Towards the end of their rematch, [[BigBad All For One]] admits to still having nightmares of the sight of [[BigGood All Might]] coming at him with his guts hanging out. A bit of logic tells the audience that All Might was GuttedLikeAFish...and ''then'' beat All For One into years of recovery and permanent blindness.]]
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26	[[folder:Comics ]]
27	* The old Magazine/{{MAD}} magazine sendup of "Conquering the Planet of the Apes", as the intelligent ape addresses his army:
28	-->''All right! If we're going to win against the humans you need to listen up and stop embarrassing me! For example, when I tell you to put on your shoes and socks, I '''don't''' mean in that order!''
29	* ''ComicBook/DarkwingDuck'': A PlayedForLaughs example from the "Campaign Carnage" arc. After Suff-Rage has hypnotized the city against Darkwing and Launchpad, to the point where they're ready to burn them both alive, Doofus Drake (visiting from {{ComicBook/Duck\|Tales}}burg) says that, "We've got to save Launchpad and Darkwing! You know, maybe, in that order..."[[note]]Doofus is largely unfamiliar with Darkwing, while Launchpad is his {{hero\|Worshipper}} and [[IntergenerationalFriendship close friend]].[[/note]]
30	* An old Magazine/{{Dragon}} had a comic with a sad-faced Eastern dragon standing in a karate pose looking at a burned foot, with his tiny ancient elder trainer saying "No, no. Spin then flame ''then'' kick."
31	* "Die Zumutungen der Moderne" by Nicolas Mahler (about his life as cartoonist) has a somewhat unconvincing example, as the order is not that relevant. While the comic boheme does smalltalk, one member shocks them by claiming he will reduce his life to the absolutely necessary, "television and masturbation -- not necessarily in that order".
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34	[[folder:Film ]]
35	* In ''Film/DeadMan'' the character Cole Wilson was known to have killed, raped, and eaten his parents. In that order.
36	* In ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanOnStrangerTides'', the mermaids will take you to the bottom of the sea, drown you, then eat you. Sometimes, however, they will do it the other way around.
37	* From the original ''Film/PlanetOfTheApes1968'': "If they catch you, they will dissect you. And kill you. In that order." [[note]]Technically, cutting up a living subject is vivisection.[[/note]]
38	* The first movie of Brazilian comedy group Casseta & Planeta: "Go out with your hands up and suicide! Not necessarily in that order!" (two character react with "They got us! We're FUBAR!" "Not necessarily in that order!")
39	* In ''Film/MoneyTrain'', Wesley Snipes' and Woody Harrelson's characters get chewed out by their [[BadBoss unhealthily aggressive supervisor]] for misconduct. Patterson (the supervisor) claims that if they screw up again, he's going to "fuck them dead". W & W then discuss and try to figure out if he meant fucking them before or after they're dead. They come to the conclusion that "[[{{Pun}} Either way it's a pain in the ass]]". Later in the film, Wesley makes a point that they need to stay one step ahead of "That necrophiliac Patterson".
40	* In ''Film/{{Hannibal}}'' this is referenced in the following exchange regarding Hannibal's interest in Special Agent Clarice Starling:
41	--> '''Mason Verger:''' So what do ya think, Cordell? Does Lecter want to fuck her or kill her or eat her alive?
42	--> '''Cordell:''' Probably all three, though I wouldn't want to predict in what order.
43	* In ''Film/TheRunningMan'', Amber Mendez's friend tells her she was lucky to survive an encounter with Ben Richards: "You're lucky he didn't kill you, too. Or rape you, then kill you. Or kill you, then rape you."
44	* ''Film/TheMessengerTheStoryOfJoanOfArc'', the young Jeanne d'Arc is traumatized when her village is attacked by English soldiers, and she is forced to hide and watch as her older sister is murdered and raped - in that order.
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47	[[folder:Live Action Television ]]
48	* ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' gives us the page quote, which is used in the "scary threat" sense and underscores how [[TheDreaded dreaded]] and utterly insane the Reavers are in the 'verse.
49	* ''Series/MarriedWithChildren'': in the episode "Peggy and the Pirates", the dreaded pirate Rubio the Cruel (David Garrison) captures the Princess Scarlett (Katey Segall), and gloats, "Now nothing will stop me from marrying you, collecting your dowry, having my way with you, and killing you...! Not necessarily in that order."
50	* ''Series/GameOfThrones''
51	** In their duel, Oberyn demands that the Mountain makes a confession for his crimes against the Martells. When the Mountain is accused with, "You raped her! You murdered her! You killed her children!", although less clearly shown than in the books, the Mountain's problem is not the accusation itself, but that Oberyn got the events in the wrong order. His response is, "I killed her children. ''Then'' I raped her. ''Then'' I smashed her head in ''LIKE THIS''..."
52	** Before attending a dangerous peace parley with her enemies, Queen Cersei instructs the Mountain that if things get bloody he's to kill first Queen Daenerys (as the [[DragonRider greatest threat]]), then [[ItsPersonal her brother Tyrion]], then King Jon Snow (commanding the other major Houses opposing her). As for everyone else, he can kill them in whatever order he wants.
53	* ''Series/{{House}}'': Dr. House says to a female patient he dislikes, "If you're gonna kill me and rape me, please do it in that order."
54	* In ''{{Series/Coupling}}'', Susan invites Steve over for dinner. When she's ready to go home and start cooking, she says to him, "[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything You can come and watch]] ... in that order."
55	* From the British run of ''Series/WhoseLineIsItAnyway'', whilst doing a scene in the style of Greek tragedy:
56	-->'''Creator/JulianClary:''' I have come to sleep with your mother and then kill her ... in that order.
57	-->'''Paul Merton:''' I'm afraid I've done that already.
58	* ''{{Series/Jekyll}}'' -- Benjamin, about to walk into a meeting with Hyde, warns his men "Don't kill him. Or me. In that order."
59	* [[Series/TopGear Jeremy Clarkson]] once had this gem during his US Special:
60	--> '''Jeremy:''' "Three religions [[DeepSouth down here]]: George Bush, God, Country and Western. InThatOrder. ''Ascending'' order."
61	* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode "The Snowmen", [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Strax]], a Sontaran who's been assisting the Doctor (and really, ''really'' just wants to kill ''something''), gives his recommendation for dealing with an intruder:
62	-->'''Strax''': Suggest we melt his brain using [[CutHisHeartOutWithASpoon projectile acid fish]], then interrogate him.\
63	(Everyone stares at him)\
64	'''Strax''': Other way 'round.
65	** The Doctor's line from the Creator/TomBaker storyline "Meglos": "First thing's first, but not necessarily in that order."
66	* ''Series/BlakesSeven''. In "Moloch", a brutal Federation soldier is said to enjoy; "women, food, and inflicting pain -- in no particular order."
67	* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. Ditzy vampire Harmony kidnaps Dawn in a plot to lure Buffy into an ambush. However her vampire minions quickly lose patience and decide to drink Dawn's blood and kill Harmony, "maybe not in that order."
68	* On an episode of ''Series/AquiNoHayQuienViva'', the boy Mauri and Fernando have adopted as their son turns out to be an EnfantTerrible who steals the radio from Juan Cuesta's car. The neighbors are not too pleased:
69	-->'''Concha:''' I'm going to call the social services before this kid kills and rapes us all!\
70	'''Emilio:''' Well, as long as it's in that order...
71	* ''Series/AlteredCarbon''. Lizzy has become {{transhuman}} enough to predict the future (in a MadOracle manner) which she sees as "Salvation...death...retribution." Poe quips, "Perhaps you could tell me in what particular order?"
72	* Theodore "T-Bag" Bagwell of ''Series/PrisonBreak'' is initially introduced as a creepy and thoroughly despicable sex criminal who was sent to Fox River for raping and murdering numerous children--"not necessarily in that order".
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76	[[folder:Literature ]]
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78	* Used a lot with "barbarian raider" types. "Remember, it's [[RapePillageAndBurn rape, pillage]] ''[[RapePillageAndBurn then]]'' [[RapePillageAndBurn burn]]."
79	** In ''Literature/InterestingTimes'', the bordering-on-senile Silver Horde have to be reminded of the proper order and that it's rape the ''women'', burn the ''houses'' (though given their age, it's unlikely they'd have managed to rape either).
80	* Used for parody in ''Literature/TheHorseAndHisBoy'', when [[TheDitz Lasaraleen]] says that any servants disobeying an order will "first be flogged to death and then be burned alive and after that be [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking kept on bread and water for six weeks]]."
81	* The beginning of ''Literature/MostlyHarmless'' claims the following:
82	--> Anything that happens, happens.
83	--> Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
84	--> Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.
85	--> It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.
86	* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', the sadistic Ramsay Snow likes to hunt women with dogs. If they are "lucky", and he thinks they put up a good fight, he'll kill them and then flay their skin and will name a dog after them. If they aren't lucky, he'll rape them and then flay them alive.
87	** According to Oberyn Martell, Ser Gregor Clegane raped his sister, murdered her, then killed her children. He's wrong. [[spoiler:As Gregor informs him: ''first'' he killed her children. ''Then'' he raped her. Then he "''smashed her fucking head in, like [[YourHeadAsplode this]].''"]]
88	* In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', at one point, they run into Sigrun Gard, who had recently been disemboweled during a fight. Thomas comes to the conclusion that Gard had beaten up the opponents, and then gotten her wounds. Harry corrects him; she beat up a fallen angel ''while her guts were hanging out of her side.''
89	* In "Valerie: A True Memoir", author Creator/HarlanEllison recounts how someone had a habit of spreading rumors about him, then returns the favor by remarking, "What a nasty thing to say, particularly from a man who lures six-year-old boys into the basements of churches and then defiles, kills and eats them, not necessarily in that order."
90	* A less-lethal version in ''Air Force One Is Down'' by John Denis. Criminal mastermind Mr. Smith is busted out of prison by his henchmen, and as they're escaping in a convoy of vehicles Smith says he wants "a safehouse and a woman, in that order." TheDragon replies that if he wants to change that order, the last car in the convoy is carrying a woman for him.
91	* In ''Hannibal'' by Creator/ThomasHarris, a psychologist attempts to explain Hannibal Lecter's attachment to Clarice Starling; his patron, Mason Verger, impatiently asks, "does Lecter want to fuck her, kill her or eat her?" The psychologist replies, "probably all three, although I wouldn't want to predict in what order he wants to perform those acts." This quip is reproduced, more or less faithfully, in the film version.
92	* In ''[[Literature/TheMurderbotDiaries Network Effect]]'', the villains aren't impressed when a pissed-off Murderbot turns up on their doorstep. "How boring. Angry, then afraid, then dead." Murderbot proves to be not so boring when he hacks their {{Attack Drones}}, snarking, "Angry, then afraid, then dead. Is that the right order?"
93	* This quote from ''Literature/TheWarAgainstTheChtorr'': "Life is short. Then you die. Then the worms eat you. Be grateful it happens in that order." Chtorran gastropedes are giant worms that eat people alive.
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96	[[folder:Music]]
97	* From the AntiChristmasSong ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2nFE_kuyeA The Man that Slits the Turkey's Throats at Christmas]]'' by Robin Laing:
98	-->''Some people say I'm cruel, some say that I'm insane,\
99	But the methods I've adopted are really quite humane.\
100	I kill them, draw them, pluck them -- it's the best way I have found,\
101	Unless I feel vindictive, when I swap the system round.''
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104	[[folder:Radio]]
105	* In the ''Radio/CabinPressure'' episode "Fitton", Arthur tells his mother Carolyn that his father asked after her and the plane, but not in that order.
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108	[[folder:Theatre]]
109	* In ''Theatre/TheAbductionFromTheSeraglio'', Osmin has a highly detailed plan concerning [[MurderTheHypotenuse his rival Pedrillo]]: "First beheaded, then hanged, then impaled on red-hot spikes, then burned, then manacled and drowned; finally flayed". At least one production (the Zürich Opera video recording with Malin Hartelius and Piotr Beczala) plays up the comedic effect in full: Osmin meticulously stresses the "first", "then", and "finally" (while Pedrillo, amused, counts the threats on his fingers).
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112	[[folder:Video Games ]]
113	* Inverted in the trailer for ''VideoGame/PokerNightAtTheInventory''
114	--> '''Max:''' "Call him! Raise him! Tear his kneecaps out! Not in that order!"
115	* A play on the ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' example specifically, rather than a general example in and of itself: VideoGame/WarhammerOnline has a powerful (for its level) health potion with the description "Next time, pillage ''before'' you burn".
116	* ''[[VideoGame/FirstEncounterAssaultRecon FEAR]]'''s industrial first level features the following sign on the walls: "Remember it's Quantity, Quality, Safety, ''in that order.''"
117	* In the Xel'lotath path of ''VideoGame/EternalDarkness'', she instructs her [[TheDragon Dragon]] to deal with Charlemagne as follows: "Make sure he is dead... or... insane... Or perhaps first the one, then the other?" Given the nature of the game, doing it in the order given is actually not impossible, [[spoiler:as one of the player's characters will find out first hand...]]
118	* ''VideoGame/Borderlands2 - Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage'': When Mr. Torgue tells you to find Pyro Pete to secure a sponsor that he kidnapped:
119	-->'''Torgue''': YOU SHOULD GO KILL HIM AND MEET HIM BUT NOT IN THAT ORDER.
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122	[[folder:Web Comics ]]
123	* In ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'', maxim [[RuleNumberOne one]] of ''[[BigBookOfWar The Seventy Maxims of Highly Effective Mercenaries]]'' is: "Pillage, ''then'' burn."
124	* Butch from ''Webcomic/ChoppingBlock'', evidently, [[http://choppingblock.keenspot.com/d/20120808.html needs a reminder]].
125	* In ''Webcomic/ExterminatusNow'' a captured assassin sneers at the inquisitors that he knows how "interrogation" will mean [[GeneHuntInterrogationTechnique something silly]]. Turns out he's wrong.
126	-->'''Eastwood''': We will have Lothar here cut your bollocks off and then ask you some questions.
127	-->'''Assassin''': ... Don't you mean the other way round?!
128	-->'''Eastwood''': No, I'm pretty sure we've got it right.
129	* Subverted in ''Webcomic/TheDementiaOfMagic'': When confronting the witch that poisoned the city, Simon and Matt say they want her head and her poison's antidote respectively, in ''either'' order.
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132	[[folder:Web Original]]
133	* ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'' gives one to Goku in the Cooler special. It helps to highlight his... unique mindset.
134	-->'''Goku''': Hey! You get away from my food, my friend, my two [[PigMan emergency]] [[TeamPet foods]], and my son. InThatOrder.
135	* Website/CollegeHumor features a variation where Batman, circa ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', spends his dying breaths [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOHraf3LEk&feature=player_embedded&hd=1 relating how he had sex with Talia]], going in detail on how he explored her orifices... and "in an order that'd surprise you", cueing {{Squick}} from Bane.
136	* Averted, maybe, at the end of ''WebVideo/SwordArtOnlineAbridged'':
137	-->'''Kirito:''' [''watching as Aincrad slowly falls apart''] What's going on down there?\
138	'''Kayaba:''' I'm keeping up my end of the bargain, Kirito: As we speak, ''SAO'' is being wiped from the servers and all remaining players will be logged out of the game.\
139	'''Kirito:''' But, not {{in that order}}, right?\
140	'''Kayaba:''' ... I'm gonna to have to get back to you on that one.
141	* ''WebVideo/HellsingUltimateAbridged'' has the two criminals that murdered Seras' parents arguing about this trope.
142	-->'''Sigmund''': Now look what you gone and done, you skipped the process!\
143	'''Freud''': What process?!\
144	'''Sigmund''': The standard process of breakin' and enterin'. Yer supposed to shoot the husband, rape the wife, then shoot the wife. You gone and shot the husband, ''then'' shot the wife!\
145	'''Freud''': Don't mean nothin'!\
146	'''Sigmund''': Course it does! Now we can't rape her!\
147	'''Freud''': I beg to differ; body's still warm!\
148	'''Sigmund''': C'mon now, mate, gotta have standards! I know we're shootin' and rapin', but [[ILoveTheDead necrophilia's]] [[EvenEvilHasStandards a step too far]]!
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151	[[folder:Western Animation ]]
152	* In an early episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'' after Timmy wishes Mark the alien to earth.
153	-->'''King Gripullon:''' We will destroy the earth and get our son back! Not necessarily in that order.
154	* ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce'', the 100th episode:
155	-->'''[[ItMakesSenseInContext 100]]''': Can I rape her and behead her? [[InvertedTrope And not necessarily in that order]].
156	--->''later''
157	-->'''Studio Exec''': Can I rape her and behead her? ''[[CrossesTheLineTwice And not necessarily in that order]]?'' [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids This is a family show]]!
158	-->'''Dana Synder''': Um, yes, I will speak to him about that, yes.
159	* Inverted in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''; when Lisa tells Bart she found someone who could cheer him up, he asks if it's his pet rabbit, whom he believes "went to live upstate".
160	-->'''Lisa''': He died, Bart. Dad buried him in the backyard. [[BuriedAlive But not in that order]].
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163	[[folder:Real Life]]
164	* In England, up until the late 19th century, particularly egregious crimes were punishable by the offender being [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered hanged, drawn and quartered]], a method of execution typically involving [[Main/CruelAndUnusualDeath beheading, castration and disembowelment]]; and if the offender was lucky, in that order. In reality, the format of such an execution was well-codified, so the best opportunity to spare oneself the agony was to leap from the gallows while you were supposed to be hanged to the edge of death, so that you broke your neck before the serious mutilations took place. In some instances, a ruler would commute the sentence to a quicker death, such as hanging the condemned until dead so all mutilations took place postmortem.
165	* One Chinese officer from the early 20th century was so treacherous that his Wikipedia page begins with "Shi Yousan (1891 – December 1940) was a KMT general who defected to, and subsequently betrayed, Feng Yuxiang, Chiang Kai-shek, Wang Jingwei, Zhang Xueliang, the Chinese Communist Party, and Japan, in that order."
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