Line #53 Headscratchers/TheWolfAmongUs


1	* It's understandable if the player decides to send Colin to the farm but if Bigby decides to let him stay in Fabletown, [[spoiler: how does he end up being sent to the farm and getting murdered by Goldilocks in the Fables comic books?]]
2	** Best guess, [[spoiler: someone else sees him and gets him sent to the farm while Bigby is away. His last line to Colin basically foreshadows such an outcome since it's basically "you'll get sent away if someone else sees you."]]
3	** Or [[spoiler:Snow White does it. She already knows that Colin's been crashing at Bigby's place; even if she trusts Bigs to "do the right thing" and send him to the Farm, she could easily find out that didn't happen and address it herself]].
4	** Alternatively, in the canon "path," Bigby [[spoiler:sent Colin to the Farm]].
5	*** The digital-first comic adaptation of the game does end with [[spoiler:Colin being sent to the farm]], so I think we can conclude that this was indeed intended as the canon path.
6	* Okay, so...[[spoiler: Was Faith dead the whole time and we were talking to a glamoured Nerissa in Ch. 1, or has Nerissa been dead all the time and we've been talking to a glamoured Faith? Because I've seen people claim both theories.]]
7	** [[spoiler: I think it's the first one. Vivian and Georgie have both said that Faith was the one who was killed. I'd doubt that they'd mistake one girl for another, especially considering their roles in the murder itself.]]
8	** [[spoiler:If Nerissa's head was glamoured to look like Faith's, the glamour would've worn off eventually.]]
9	*** [[spoiler: The wrinkle on this is that the game explicitly flashes back to the line about Dr. Swineheart still wanting to run more tests on Faith, which suggests that something wasn't adding up.]]
10	*** [[spoiler: on the contrary, I think it was the second one, with the reason being that 1) you never find the body of whoever's head you find in front of the woodlands, and we know from Holly's sister case that the glamour can keep on working on a head separated from the body so long as the wooden trinket is kept on the body 2) the phrase about " hiding her true beauty to escape the kingdom" applies to Faith, and can be understood as a way to say Faith escape her condition by putting a disguise, ie Nerissa's face. Now for this to work, the Faith who got beat up by Woody in act 1 must have been a disguised Nerissa, otherwise she shouldn't have been beaten because Faith, as Woody's regular, would have recognized him. The one thing I truly do not understand is what started the need of those girl for this mad identity switcheroo.]]
11	*** So [[spoiler: the Faith at the beginning was actually Nerissa in disguise, and Nerissa in the rest of the game is Faith in disguise; but if they're not the same person, why do they both say "you're not as bad as everyone says you are", which is the common line that tips Bigby off in the first place?]]
12	*** You're mistaken. [[spoiler: ''Lily'' is Woody's regular, as both Woody, Holly and Gren all state. Faith was covering for her that night since she was busy with Crane, and Woody thought it was just Lily playing around with him. The only switcheroo is most likely Nerissa being disguised as Faith, but that's the SequelHook at the end.]]
13	** This troper also believes [[spoiler: that from the end of Faith and Bigby's encounter to the end of the game, "Nerissa" was Faith in disguise and when "Faith" was killed it was Nerissa in disguise being murdered. The reason I say " the end of Faith and Bigby's encounter" is because I believe that's actually Faith unglamoured. Why would Nerissa approach and trust the sheriff so easily when she had never met the guy in the first place? Especially if it's Bigby Wolf. Also, the whole thing about why the girls would be glamoured as one another was already proven by Episode 2, in a note Lily leaves in Faith's cubby in the dressing room--the girls often cover for each other when one can't make their appointment so it wouldn't be odd if sometimes they would even ''glamour themselves'' to look like the person they're covering for. My guess is Nerissa was covering for Faith and Faith was about to cover for her as well and...well...]]
14	** [[spoiler:Faith being Nerissa the whole time makes more sense given what is stated about their personalities and past actions.]]
15	*** [[spoiler:Faith is a much more intelligent character, who has the ability to disguise herself as part of her Fable, and the fact she stole the incriminating photo makes it clear she is a lot more willing to take risks to actively attempt to injure the Crooked Man's operation or, at least, give herself the option to do so.]]
16	*** [[spoiler:Nerissa, on the other hand, was willing to blindly trust Gorgie and the Crooked Man to let the whole business slide and, in her fable, she is prone to make foolish mistakes, blindly trust in other people to do what she wants them to do, and ultimately had a DownerEnding.]]
17	*** Throughout the game, [[spoiler:the Nerissa we see takes risks in almost every scene she is in to try to bring down the Crooked Man. While, this could be character development on Nerissa's part, instantly developing Faith's exact personality and behavior without any build up or even any mention of it happening off screen would be a rather peculiar way of doing it.]]
18	** There is also no reason for [[spoiler:Nerissa]] to be at [[spoiler:Woody's place]].
19	*** [[spoiler:Faith covering for Lily makes sense and is clearly established through the note left in the locker room]].
20	*** [[spoiler:Nerissa doing it as part of some sort of gambit to get Bigby's attention doesn't make any real sense because it relies entirely on the Woodsman beating her up loud enough for Mr. Toad to hear, Mr. Toad calling Bigby rather than ignoring the situation entirely or assuming Bigby would do more damage, and Bigby showing up in a reasonable amount of time (which goes against the reputation he has with most of the less well off fables). It is a very flawed plan for it to be an intentional attempt to get Bigby's attention (which is part of the theory that it was Nerissa the whole time) rather than it just being a coincidence caused by Woody not realizing Faith wasn't Lily and getting angry because he thought she was teasing him.]]
21	** [[spoiler:Incidentally, why would Lily remain glamoured as Nerissa indefinitely?]]
22	*** She wouldn't, but Faith would. Especially if they all think she's dead and needs to stay glamoured to stay hidden.
23	* Ok, so we established [[AxCrazy Bloody]] [[SerialKiller Mary]] can travel through mirrors... So why don't they try putting some razor wire or a cage or something over a mirror and saying her name to summon her?
24	** Because she's not compelled to go through mirrors, she can always tell anyone trying to summon her to fuck off rather than fall for an obvious trap. Mary even states she can sense Bigby and Snow watching her through the Magic Mirror, so it's probable she can see whatever trap they put in front of the mirror.
25	* If he's not working for the Crooked Man, or involved in the crime at all, why does Bluebeard burn Crane's stuff if you don't go up there first?
26	** Probably to hide evidence of his own, unrelated crimes.
27	* Why can't you offer the money you can get from [[spoiler: Ichabod Crane's suit]] in Episode 4 to Toad to help buy him some time? It seemed like a wasted opportunity for Bigby to offer him a chance to buy a glamor that would last him long enough to get back to making his own money.
28	** You can do exactly that. You must have run into a glitch.
29	*** And Snow still makes him go to the farm even if he does have the money and he's not happy about that.
30	* So how did Grendel wind up in Fabletown... alive? In ''Beowulf'', Beowulf rips off Grendel's arm, finds Grendel's corpse, and tears off the corpses's head. And while Gren's arm does look like it was previously torn off in ''The Wolf Among Us'', that just confuses me even further. Does this mean that Grendel never saw Beowulf again after their fight in King Hrothgar's mead-hall, and that the story of Beowulf is different in the Fables' universe?
31	** The Big Bad Wolf and most of the Three Little Pigs die in their fables too. The stories never really "complete" themselves in the Homeland or, if they do, they then start over.
32	** Alternatively, Fables don't die the way "Mundies" do. Woodsman states at the beginning that he remembers cutting open Bigby and stuffing him with stones (which, according to the supplemental, caused Bigby to vow revenge by eating only sentient animals). Grendel probably did a better job of reattaching his head than his arm. Although, given the way his eye randomly flickers...
33	** The person above me is correct - Fables actually don't die the way "mundies" do, knowledge of their stories gives them a HealingFactor. It's kind of confirmed on several points (Jack being impaled and almost ''instantly'' coming back to life, Snow White being shot in the head and recovering, Cinderella killing a {{Mook}} and saying that one won't be coming back for awhile because he's far less popular than she is) but several characters who died in their fables are alive and well. For one, Nerissa - at the end of the Hans Christian Andersen Tale, she dissolves into seafoam and her spirit becomes a spirit of the air. Yet this game shows that she had, at one point at least, been alive and human.
34	*** Lawrence overdosed, slit his wrists, has been without food and water and he shot himself in the heart / lungs and [[spoiler: he'll survive if you go there first instead of the Toad's Apartments.]] And his story isn't as popular as everyone else's.
35	* How can Tiny Tim (a 19th century character) be a part of Fabletown if the fables emigrated to our world centuries ago?
36	** Honestly, it gets really confusing when you consider the various timeframes - sometimes it's explained as how they were from other conquered homelands (Oz for example) or they lived outside of Fabletown for awhile (There was a Japanese fabletown after all, plus a werewolf town...) and later emigrated because they were running low on money or didn't have the resources of Fabletown.
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38	* How long has Mr. Toad been ''in'' New York? How long have he and his son been walking around unglamoured and just ''now'' Bigby and Snow White are causing a fuss? And why didn't he have any other glamour around - did he and TJ ask for a very ''very'' cheap glamour that wears off after awhile? Auntie Greenleaf seems to have glamour that she can re-use indefinitely - why didn't Bigby direct Mr. Toad to ''her''?
39	** I was under the belief that Toad recently stopped using Glamour because it had gotten too expensive and his kid stayed inside indefinitely- or he impulse bought that car with ''vanity plates'' that Bigby crushed in the first episode that was bought with the glamour money for the both of them. It would fit in with the Fables living down when they used to be rich royalty and doing stupid things to get a semblance of it back.
40	** Greenleaf can make her own glamours, obviously cost and making more once the one she is using fades is a non-issue because of this. She is an ''illegal'' glamour dealer so Bigby likely didn't know about her and would probably have arrested her if he did rather then direct Toad to her.
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42	* Where did TJ come from? Was he part of any "Mr. Toad" stories, or did they sort of take something from ''Fairest'' and imply that TJ exists because Mr. Toad had married a mundy (possibly in glamour) who had TJ? (who outlasted her... I mean [[MissingMom Mrs. Toad is conspicuously absent...]])
43	** The comics make it perfectly clear that fable CAN breed, TJ is probably from the Homelands as well and his mother left behind or dead.
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45	* So, [[spoiler:either the girl at the beginning is Nerissa pretending to be Faith or the girl at the end is Faith pretending to be Nerissa]], but why? There seems to be no real reason for either case beyond "twist ending!" Would either character really have anything to gain from the deception?
46	** I have three possible theories.
47	*** [[spoiler: It was a HeroicSacrifice on Nerissa's part to save Faith, not knowing that Nerissa was also in danger. Faith, to help avenge her friend, led Bigby into the case.]]
48	*** [[spoiler: It was suicide. She couldn't go on with her life and normal suicide would've been too difficult due to how popular her tale was compared to Lawrence. Also, her geas would've made her continue her job as a working girl against her will until someone removed her ribbon. The girls cover for each other and Nerissa has a glamour of a human form since she's a mermaid, right? Well, we already know that you don't need consent from a person to have a glamour based on their appearance so Nerissa took Faith's image and let herself be killed to escape her life of prostitution. The whole 'saving Faith' thing is a side effect.]]
49	*** [[spoiler: Georgie forgot / didn't know the girls regularly swapped glamours and fucked up the murder.]]
50	** My theory is: [[spoiler: Faith was covering for Nerissa at the time of her death, so she probably chose to look like Nerissa for the rest of the game because the murderer would probably go after her if he knew she was still alive. And that’s why she gave Bigby a hint in the end, because she didn’t need to pretend to be Nerissa anymore.]]
51	* If [[spoiler:Faith is Nerissa]], who is the couple picture in Lawrence's apartment of?
52	** The picture in Lawrence's apartment is of [[spoiler: Faith/Donkeyskin]], as they came to Fabletown together and she'd have no reason to leave him before things got bad and she had to resort to hooking.
53	* Does it irritate anyone else that Bigby never once tries to think outside of the box in regards to getting around the 'these lips are sealed' problem? As in, 'I know you can't say anything, but maybe I can ask you some yes or no questions and you can try knocking once on the desk for no and twice for yes.' Or even just asking Nerissa to try to write down what she has to say. Maybe it wouldn't have worked, but no one even ''suggests'' it.
54	** If Volume 2 of the comics is any indication, then the enchantment makers are already aware of this. Weyland Smith had a similar curse put on him, and explained that he couldn't physically do anything to undermine his masters. It doesn't just prevent you from talking, it prevents you from acting except in a far more roundabout fashion than what you suggested.
55	* How about Beast beginning to transform when he finds Bigby and Beauty together? His transformation only happens if Beauty is mad at him. This however changes when [[spoiler: Beast replaces Bigby as sheriff]].
56	** Maybe Beauty starts getting mad when he won't listen and flies off the handle thinking the two of them are having an affair.
57	** He didn't start to transform until she started arguing with him. His eyes were normal as he approached her and Bigby and only went red after she started trying to explain and he didn't listen, then the horns showed up after he grabbed Bigby and she snapped at him. It just so happened that she was getting more upset with him as he was getting more angry at Bigby. Once he calmed down, he didn't go back to normal because she was still upset with him (if not for the accusation, for starting a fight that damaged the hotel and would get her fired).
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59	* Why does Bigby never once try testifying that even on the small possibility that the Crooked Man didn't directly order Georgie to kill Faith and Lily, he ''certainly'' ordered Bloody Mary to kill Bigby on several occasions, one of which Snow herself witnessed. And the fact that he changed his mind at the last second because Snow gave up Crane in no way excuses that he would have let her kill Bigby had Snow not stopped her.
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61	* What fable is [[spoiler: Gwen]] from?
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63	* Colin has a point. Why does he need a glamour to stay in fabletown? He's not a troll, a humonoid toad, or an 8 foot wolf, He's a talking pig! The whole point of Glamours is to appear normal to Mundies all Colin has to do is shut up and he can easily pass for a normal pig.
64	* Speaking of fabled animals that need to be glamoured, why hasn't anyone pestered Bufkin (a 3 ft talking green monkey with wings) to put on glamour?
65	** Two points. First do you actually think that Colin will be able to do that? Honestly the guy is a bit of a loud mouth at the best of times and can't seem to tell when it's best to stop. Second is that the Farm is just as much for the protection of fables sent there as it is to keep mundies from recognizing them. As you pointed out Colin could pass for a normal pig, bad things tend to happen to normal pigs wandering in modern society though. Last thing anyone wants is for Colin to get grabbed off the street for meat by some mundie because even if slaughtering him like a normal pig doesn't stick that's gonna hurt a lot and be hard to clean up.
66	** In relation to the above, while pigs are kept as pets, having a pig for a pet in a huge metropolitan area like New York City or Los Angeles is going to draw a lot of attention and raised eyebrows for the simple fact that pigs aren’t very common pets to begin with and far less so for people living huge cities. Even if no one was going to grab Colin off the street to make some bacon, it’d still wouldn’t be worth the risk in accidentally exposing the Fables.

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