Line #4 BrokenBase/WorldOfWarships


1	* Among War Gaming fans and those of its main competitors like Gaijin, ''World of Warships'' in general is somewhat controversial for doubling down on an arcade style over a simulator style. ''World of Tanks'' was seen as a fair simulator for its day but ''War Thunder'' and other titles have since gotten even more accurate. The ''Warships'' team responded by greatly simplifying a lot of mechanics from 'Tanks,'' like the commander/ crew system. The approach seems to be mostly praised by Wows's own fandom, though there are its detractors.
2	* From the moment carriers were introduced the fandom is split between people who hate CV's and CV mains. The majority of the playerbase simply aren't interested in playing carriers in a game that is meant to be about gun warships. As the years have passed, Carriers have only become more hated.
3	* Torpedoes have caused some debates over how strong they are, pitting those who primarily captain Battleships, versus those who use Destroyers and Carriers with Torpedo Bombers. Those asking for a {{Nerf}} typically point out the high base damage combined with the extremely high chance of even a single hit causing the Flooding DamageOverTime effect. Those who say torpedoes are fine, point out that torpedoes are supposed to be dangerous threats, and historically were to battleships. And that they're balanced by being able to dodge them should a ship maintain sufficient range from torpedo armed boats, as well as a bit of a clever tactical planning for them being inevitably launched at such a tempting target. Or by sticking together with decently AA armed ships to ward off squadrons of enemy torpedo-bombers. The argument has taken on new dimensions with the arrival of the ''Tirpitz'', the first battleship to mount torpedoes in-game.
4	** In an example of how history repeats, RealLife pre-UsefulNotes/WorldWarI battleship advocates also didn't want to acknowledge the potential power of torpedoes, as it seemed dreadfully unfair that such formidable and expensive vessels could be so easily sunk by tiny torpedo boats (which is where Destroyers came from, because their role was to be "Torpedo Boat Destroyers", hence the name). Unfortunately for both past and present-day battleship enthusiasts, sinking heavy units is exactly what torpedoes are for.
5	* The Radar consumable. Anything caught within a ships radar radius when the consumable is going will be detected, no ifs, ands, or buts. Destroyers ''hate'' it, possibly more so than battleships hate torpedoes. Destroyers captains argue that it ruins their game as they are a stealth unit Battleship and cruiser captains argue that it an important counter against destroyers, which most of them considered overpowered before the introduction of radar. Like with torpedoes, these arguments took on a new life with the introduction of a destroyer that actually carries radar, the ''USS Black.''
6	** To give you an idea, the NA forums moderators had to limit all radar gripes /"solutions" to one mega thread so it wouldn't dominate the main page. By the time the thread finally went doormat for the first time (because salt had been drawn toward the CV rework) the thread was over three hundred ''pages'' long.
7	* Amongst the fans of ''Arpeggio of Blue Steel'', and ''[=KanColle=]'', is the distinct lack of a Heavy Cruiser ''Takao'' class outside of ''Atago'' being featured as a Tier VIII Premium. Calls have been made to replace the premium Tier VIII ''Atago'' with ''Maya'', or to place ''Maya'' at Tier VII[[labelnote:Explanation]]The reasoning being that ''Maya'' had the most different layout of the ''Takao''-class, with one of its main batteries replaced with more anti-air guns. The loss of 2 guns would give ''Maya'' a weaker main armament than other Tier VII heavy cruisers (''Pensacola'', ''Myoko'' and ''Yorck''), but better torpedoes and AA.[[/labelnote]]
8	** Then for Christmas 2015, four actual ''Arpeggio of Blue Steel'' ships were included for a crossover event (in the form of purely cosmetic reskins, since things like [[DeflectorShields Klein Fields]] and [[WaveMotionGun Super-Graviton Cannons]] would completely break the game), with their Mental Models as the commanding officers. ''Takao'' is not one of the four.[[note]]Wargaming finally clarified the situation in QA in June 2016, saying that they want to introduce ARP ''Takao'' after mainline ''Takao'' has been properly introduced into the game (''Atago'' is premium only). It's also been revealed that ARP ''Takao'' has already been fully modeled, and starting with patch 0.5.11 she will be available to Wargaming employees for test purposes.[[/note]] When two more ''Arpeggio'' ships were added for September 2016, there was still more groaning about the lack of ''Takao''. Until November 2016, when ARP ''Takao'' was added to the game.
9	* "Paper Ships" (that is, designs that were never actually built in real life). Some players feel they add variety to the game, while others see them as taking up slots in the tech tree that could've been filled by real ships aren't in the game. The US ''Phoenix'' class light cruiser is one of the only paper ships in the US fleet, and could easily have been replaced by a real USN cruiser, especially as it's essentially a watered-down ''Omaha'' (the ''Phoenix'' project in real life was a developmental stage that led to the ''Omaha'' class cruiser). There's also some dispute over the practice of giving fictional names to Japanese designs that never got far enough to get a name in real life[[note]]Or in the case of the Tier 9 battleship ''Izumo'', in real life Project A140, a design that evolved into a different, larger ship design that evolved into the ''Yamato''-class battleships that were actually built. Had an actual A140 battleship been built, it would have been named ''Yamato'' instead.[[/note]], though at least they follow the actual IJN naming conventions.[[note]]''Myogi'' and the premium ''Ishizuchi'' are both preliminary designs for what became ''Kongo'' and are named after Japanese mountains, as was the convention for battlecruisers. ''Zao'' (likely believed to be a "paper ship" by Wargaming when it was implemented, but the design sketch they based it on was a hoax) is likewise named after a mountain, because heavy cruisers followed the same naming convention as battlecruisers. (''Ibuki'' isn't a paper ship at all, but a follow-up to ''Mogami'' that was partially built but never finished.) ''Hakuryu'' is a planned follow-up to ''Taiho'', and the name ("White Dragon") follows the convention of naming aircraft carriers after flying animals, both real and mythological. And ''Izumo'' is named after a historical province of Japan, as was the convention for battleships.[[/note]] Likewise the paper and "semi-paper" (that is, fictional derivatives of real designs that were deemed too difficult to balance) for the German cruiser and battleship lines have names that would be very plausible for their eras.[[note]]''Yorck'' was a preliminary panzerschiffe design by the Wiemar era Reichsmarine, reusing the turret and gun design of an Imperial German armored cruiser and . ''Roon'' and ''Hindenburg'' are very loosely based on panzerschiffe designs like the D- and P- class but with more more conventional cruiser-style main armament, while ''Friedrich der Große'' is based on the H-39 battleship (the planned successor to ''Bismarck'') with elements of the improved H-41 and ''Großer_Kurfürst'' is loosely based on the H-42 design but replacing the planned 19-inch guns in 4 twin turrets with 165-inch guns in 4 triple turrets (because of Wargaming has set Yamato's 18.1-inch (460mm) guns as the maximum allowed caliber). All of these ships are named after famous German generals, which fit with the Nazi-era policy of giving major warships patriotic names...but not ''too'' patriotic (ie no direct references to Germany itself or to Nazi officials) so that national morale would not be harmed by the ship's sinking.[[/note]]
10	** Another argument against paper ships is that the developers sometimes use the "paper" statistics instead of what is realistically achievable in reality. The biggest example is ''Khabarovsk'', which is based on an obscure design that was never implemented due to the impracticability of actually building it. She's larger and heavier than her Tier IX predecessor, ''Tashkent'', yet somehow can can sail faster despite only having a marginally more powerful engine. ''Khabarovsk'' also has 50mm belt armor (the only DD in the game to have real armor rather than just hull plating) that makes large sections of her sides impervious to main battery HE shells from any ship that's not a battleship[[note]]Even the 305mm guns on the lowest tier non-German battleships have just enough penetration to defeat the plate. German battleships get 1/4 HE pen on all guns of at least 128mm in caliber and the 283mm guns on the low-tier ships and on the ''Scharnhorst'' comfortably exceed the margin.[[/note]], a German heavy cruiser[[note]]German cruisers from [=T4=] and up get quarter caliber HE pen from any guns that are at least 128mm in caliber. Their heavy cruisers have just enough [=HE=] pen to defeat the 50mm plate[[/note]], or any of the four large cruisers[[note]]The 283mm main guns on the ''Graf Spee'' get 1/4 caliber pen much like the tech tree heavy cruisers. ''Kronshtadt'', ''Alaska'', and ''Stalingrad'' get 305mm main guns, and have just enough HE pen to defeat the 50mm plate.[[/note]] ; in reality this armor plating was precisely what make the Project 47 Destroyer Leader impossible to build.[[note]]With the exception of the armor, ''Khabarovsk'' is a near-copy of the Italian Capitani Romani class (variously designated as light cruisers, destroyer leaders or "ocean scouts", which actually did get built...except that despite being scaled '''down''' from the Italian design ''Khabarovsk'' is somehow able to mount relatively heavy armor and more torpedoes as well as being even faster than the Italian ships. Some players have joked that ''Khabarovsk''[='=]s fuel tanks and crew quarters must be stored inside a [[Series/DoctorWho TARDIS]] because otherwise there'd be no room anywhere in the hull for them.[[/note]]
11	** British cruisers having no ability to switch ammo types, instead being permanently locked into AP, has been highly divisive. While many battleship drivers like the idea of ships that can never set them on fire, among people who plan to actually play the British cruisers this lack of flexibility has not been popular. It's also been pointed out that historically, British light cruisers ''never actually carried a true armor piercing shell'', firing only HE for shore bombardment and CPBC (Common Pointed Ballistic Cap, essentially an HE shell with a pointed semi-armor-piercing nosecap) for anti-ship duties. Thus literally any other tech tree would've made more sense as an AP-only line. Other oddities about the British cruisers, like being able to lay smokescreens (albeit unusually small ones), getting the Repair Party consumable starting at Tier III (normally only Tier '''IX''' and above cruisers get this) and lack of the Defensive AA Fire consumable despite some of the ships being designed as dedicated AA escorts have been equally controversial.
12	* The second Japanese destroyer tree and the reworking of the primary Japanese tree were met with mixed feelings to say the least. Some people liked the idea of more Japanese [=DDs=] but most people hated the idea. Most of the animosity was due to the fact that Japan was getting its DD line re-worked before two of the other major nations got ''any'' line of destroyers. It probably didn't help that the announcement was made while the anticipated British cruiser line was being indefinitely postponed. And when the line was rolled out, players of Japanese destroyers were unhappy that many of their existing favorites were being {{nerf}}ed in the process, with the very popular (and admittedly slightly overpowered) ''Minekaze'' being a particularly hard-hit victim.
13	* Within ''hours'' of reports coming out that the Tier VIII ''Alabama'' would be an exclusive reward to supertesters, Wargaming was facing an outright revolt on the forums over a one of the most-wanted premium ships being completely unavailable to ordinary players. Wargaming hastily reversed course, announcing that there would in fact be a separate version of ''Alabama'' for sale to the public at a later date. It later came out that Wargaming's original plan was to use ''Alabama'' as the supertester reward and her sister ship ''Massachusetts'' as the for-sale premium, but the outcry for ''Alabama'' led to that being set back...though in fall 2017 it was announced that ''Massachusetts'' would '''also'' be sold, meaning that 2 near-identical ships will be sold for over $50 US each.
14	* The announcement that the next nation to get a second line of a ship type wouldn't be the long-anticipated potential splitting of American cruiser or battleship lines, but a second line of Russian destroyers. With an emphasis on early Cold War ships. Many immediately feared that these would be overpowered because of having better (or at least more) torpedoes and even flatter shell trajectory than the current Russian destroyers. Others were less worried about whether the ships will be balanced than annoyed that yet another set of Russian ships are being added ''before'' British battleships and destroyers. On the other side of the argument are people who actually like Russian [=DDs=] and those who simply think more ships are always a good thing. Those not bothered by the new Russian [=DDs=] also point out that at least none of them are paper. But those opposed to the new line ask why these these ships that actually got built (some of them in quite large numbers) weren't just used in the original Russian DD line ''instead'' of paper ships like Udaloi and Khabarovsk.[[note]]The answer being that Wargaming wanted the original Russian DD line to emphasize guns, with torpedoes being a secondary armament at best. While destroyers mentioned for the second Russian DD line will in some cases have better guns, the ''number'' of guns is small and thus they'll have to rely more on their torpedoes.[[/note]]
15	** For carrier players the announcement that the top ships of the new line would have better AA than the Americans and would gain access to the defensive fire consumable. The top cruiser in the line has more AA than a Cleveland and is much faster and harder to detect. Strong AA ships with smoke screens are in general a pretty big berserk button among carriers, as you don't know if a smoke screen is hiding a Kagero or a Minotaur (while Minotaur cannot use the Defensive AA Fire consumable, its AA armament is so powerful it shreds planes anyway).
16	** When the ships were released a lot of players felt that the whole hype about new ships was just an excuse to buff the Russians. Two of the three ships in the second line are rather non-competitive but the ships in the main line are now perceived as overpowered. The most questionable decision being the decision to boost the damage of all Russian DD guns by 200 points. Wargamming's logic was that Russian DDs are suppose to be dedicated gun boats so it stands to reason that they should have high damage guns. However they never mentioned how the guns are far more accurate than their contemporaries due having superior velocity and shell arcs, which Wargamming had itself had earlier claimed made the most lethal guns mounted on destroyers.
17	* The Radio Position Finding captain skill (formerly "Keen Intuition" in an early leak) for the impending 2017 rework of the skill tree caused an immediate firestorm, especially among players who specialize in destroyers. The skill is widely seen as gutting all stealth and ambush tactics (what destroyers and especially Japanese ones rely heavily on) because it gives an indicator pointing in the direction of the nearest enemy ship ''even if it's not spotted''. While some players argue that it's not actually a GameBreaker because it's an expensive skill that requires giving up other valuable skills, others have decried it as a legal version of hacking the game. When the skill came up on the public test server and could be actually tried out in action, opinions if anything became even ''more'' polarized with many declaring it to be as bad or worse than feared. [[FandomVIP Prominent Youtuber and super-unicum player Flamu]] is on the record as feeling like he's cheating while testing the skill. Ultimately RPF turned out to have relatively limited impact, with ironically Japanese destroyers being the ships that use it the most (albeit defensively to avoid getting into gunfights that they can't win). Flamu has attributed this to most players not understanding how to use it ''offensively'' to hunt down enemy DDs or even to accurately aim torpedoes at unspotted enemies under certain situations.
18	** On top of the RPF skill, the new captain skills and changes to old ones as a whole are widely perceived as providing buffs to battleships and nerfs to everything else. As some examples, Basic Firing Training (a must-have for "gunboat" destroyers) went from being 1 point to 3 points. Fire Prevention (a previously worthless skill) now makes a ship only capable of being set on fire in 3 places instead of 4, and more critically combines the 2 superstructure fire zones (the easiest places to light a battleship on fire) into a single fire zone. A vocal subset of the community has declared that the new skills mean "[=baBBies=] win." ([=baBBy=] being a derogatory term for unskilled and whiny battleship drivers, who are widely perceived as being catered to with many of the changes made to the game in 2016 and into 2017.
19	** Battleship and heavy cruiser captains actually weren't all that pleased either. One of the new skills added to game was the "Inertia Fuse for HE" skill, which gives he shells 30% more penetration at the cost of a three percent reduction to fire chance. This means that HE shells with a caliber of six inches can now penetrate the deck and extremity armor of the every battleship and cruiser in the game. This skill allows light cruisers using it to melt through battleships and other cruisers. This skill also essentially negated the one advantage heavy cruisers had over light cruisers, that it was easier for heavy cruisers to penetrate light cruisers rather than the other way around. The power of this skill was initially overlooked because it came at the cost of a significant reduction in fire chance, which light cruisers had always relied on to do damage to battleships. But the skill was reworked to so that fire chance reduction wasn't as large, and most light cruisers will still set a decent number of fires due to their fast-firing guns and usually a large number of guns for their tier, meaning it's almost a no-brainer for them.
20	** The announcement that Patch 0.6.3 would completely remove open-water stealth firing from the game by changing the detection bloom mechanic. Instead of each ship getting a detection bloom stat based on their gun caliber (plus additional penalties on Russian and German destroyer guns), a ship that opens fire will simply be detected out to their maximum firing range. Some players are celebrating the death of stealth fire because it's frustrating to be on the receiving end of. Others are outraged that a mechanic they've made good use of is being removed and ships that relied on it are not getting buffed in any other way to compensate, especially since premium ships (bought for real money and in some cases specifically advertised by Wargaming as being able to stealth fire) are not immune to the change. But the biggest controversy is over '''how''' stealth fire is being removed, and the impact that the new detection bloom mechanic will have '''beyond''' just removing stealth fire (which Wargaming seemingly didn't put enough thought into to notice). The new system is a major concealment buff to battleships, which almost universally had detection blooms far '''beyond''' their firing range under the old system (some of them even having blooms exceeding the map size). And for the many low-tier [=BBs=] that had detection range ''exceeding'' their maximum firing range? Wargaming simply buffed their firing range without nerfing anything else. It also impacts destroyers that fight at very '''close''' range, since if they fire their guns to kill a ship they can remain spotted for up to 20 seconds by another still-living enemy ship even if it's very far away from them. Thus, it's yet again perceived as a case of "[=baBBies=] win."
21	* The reveal of the Tier VII premium aircraft carrier ''Kaga'' was met was some amount of controversy, as Wargaming previously stated that they would not release another premium CV until the issue of carrier balance was solved.[[note]]Especially the gap in performance between America and Japan, with non-premium Japanese carriers outperforming their American counterparts (often substantially) at every tier.[[/note]] And then they added they revealed they were adding the ''Enterprise'' as a Tier VIII. To top it off when ''Kaga'' was released, players complained that ''Kaga'' exemplified everything bad about carriers.[[note]]She has poor fighters but will absolutely dominate the battlefield with her ungodly amount of torpedo bombers if left to her own devices. Especially if the enemy CV player is inattentive enough to let the ''Kaga'' player eliminate him early on, which ''Kaga''[='=]s torpedo bombers have more than enough firepower to do in a single well-executed strike.[[/note]]
22	* The release of the Tier VIII premium German aircraft carrier ''Graf Zeppelin'' generated even more controversy. While ''Kaga'' is controversial for being somewhat overpowered, ''Graf Zeppelin'' was released to scathing reviews from prominent Community Contributors for being released not just underpowered but seemingly '''unfinished'''.[[note]]Some have sarcastically noted this makes it historically accurate, since construction of the real ''Graf Zeppelin'' was never completed.[[/note]] Farazelleth, a unicum possibly the top aircraft carrier player in the world, while recommending that nobody buy the ship while declaring "I bought this so you don't have to!" It's generally believed that the ship was rushed into the premium shop despite still being a work in progress and supertesters thinking it was not ready to go live because Wargaming wanted it out in time for the 2017 edition of Gamescom, a convention that Wargaming likes to hype up new ships at.
23	** Wargaming did not take kindly to iChaseGaming's scathing but honest review of the Graf Zeppelin and, as a consequence, have suddenly terminated his status as a Community Contributor in response to it. People are now condemning this decision as another example of Wargaming being unable to take the harsh criticism that results from their poor decisions (notably the Kaga and the [=SirFoch=] Controversy over the Chrysler GF). The damage has also been done; WG NA Community Contributor [=LittleWhiteMouse=] [[https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/134780-premium-ship-review-graf-zeppelin/ absolutely hates the ship]]. This controvesy died down somewhat when Wargaming [[https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/common/Graf-Zeppelin-Situation-Update/ admitted their mistake]], apologized, and pulled back the Graf Zeppelin for rebalancing.
24	* Update 6.14 overhauled the notoriously under-powered high tier American aircraft carriers; removing the much hated specialized load outs and swapping them for a single balanced loud out. Where the controversy starts is that they also gave high tier American [=CVs=] AP bombs much like the Enterprise. Some people thought this is a great idea since American ships in general are often criticized for being unrealistically too vanilla, others hated the change. The latter argue that this has made [=CVS=] as a whole too powerful and hate how the change has increased the frequency of carriers in games. Carrier (and cruiser) captains counter that carriers were intended to be powerful and argue that the complainers are merely salty that they can no longer consider AA a DumpStat.
25	* ''Asashio'' is notable in that it caused a huge controversy before ever being released. After beginning testing as essentially an improved stock Kagero, it was buffed to have 20km 20k damage deep water torps that can only hit battleships and aircraft carriers. Some people thought it was a good trade-off but others thought it would make battleships (especially aggressive ones) obsolete. It also pinched a nerve in the rather substantial Hatedom for Japanese destroyers as it was perceived as exaggerating what makes those ships loathed (good at surprising unaware ships and not capping and spotting). The controversy was so bad that most community contributors who usually avoid talking about a ships beta stats, such as Little White Mouse, had to speak their mind one way or the other on the issue.
26	** Whether or not Asashio is any good remains a point of contention. She is essentially CripplingOverspecialization incarnate, being able to murder battleships or the odd CV out of position with impunity but being rather under-powered against anything but lower tier IJN destroyers. Since her torpedoes can't hit cruisers she is even more vulnerable to them than the average DD and her poor guns make her vulnerable to other [=DDs=] in a fight, more so than the Pan-Asian [=DDs=]. Her poor AA and the fact that her torpedoes can also kill carriers, this in practice means she tends to be focused and killed by carriers rather than being a counter to them. She does have incredible stealth but this but unfortunately also has rather low speed limiting her role as a scout. Some people argue that its simply to focused at one thing to be any good while other people argue Asashio simply adds more flavor to the game.
27	* The announcement that season 10 or ranked battles was planned to use the same format as season 9, where fro the first half its t8 but moves to t10 became a point of contention. Specifically much of the debate has centered around the Conqueror, and to a lesser extent, other He spamming ships. The Conqueror is already controversial but became almost exponentially more so as season 9 progressed. Some players noticed that passive Conquerors would hang back and get early points by snipping with HE and only engage the enemy directly when the rest of their team died. However they would still get a lot of damage doing this despite being pretty ineffective most of the game and get top score, thus saving them from losing a star despite being part of the reason their team failed.
28	** There's also the factor of Tier X fatigue, since Clan Wars are always Tier X and so have the last two seasons of Ranked. While the reason for this is obvious: to encourage more people to grind out their Tier X ships and to provide "endgame" content for long-time players who already have all the ships. But players who don't have a Tier X yet don't appreciate being locked out of achieving Rank 1, and players who find mid-tier gameplay more enjoyable don't like having everything concentrated at the top. On the other hand some players like the increased emphasis on Tier X, considering to be overall the most balanced tier and because it contains the most powerful ships.
29	* When the nature of the long-promised aircraft carrier rework was announced at the end of summer 2018, players were immediately split between those who are optimistic about it and those who immediately hated the idea...with most current CV players falling into the latter camp. The reason is that the rework is going to completely discard the existing RealTimeStrategy mechanics in favor of giving the player direct control over a single bomber squadron. Those optimistic about the new system generally hated the RTS style gameplay of [=CVs=] and saw it as part of the reason why they have excessive influence over the battlefield. Current CV players, on the other hand, largely played them ''because'' they like the RTS mechanic and are disappointed that the skills they've honed already will be rendered obsolete. Many (including those who were never CV players to begin with) also worry that the new version of CV gameplay will be boring and repetitive.
30	** Then more things were revealed about the CV rework, like the fact that [=CVs=] would now get unlimited reserves of aircraft (meaning there's no need to take any care in approaching targets, because even if they shoot down your whole squadron there's always a replacement ready), which outraged everybody who primarily plays non-CV classes. On top of that, AA guns are considerably less effective on the CV rework test server, giving ships less ability to shoot down planes in the first place. Conversely, the player cannot exercise any direct control of the CV itself if he's got a squadron in the air (WASD is used to control the planes now, with the CV controlled only by setting waypoints on the map). To make matters worse when CV players pointed out that this means they can't activate damage control if their CV is set on fire or floods from a torpedo hit, Wargaming responded not by allowing players to switch back to the CV and put the squadron in a holding pattern until the player switches back to it (what virtually all CV testers were demanding; as it stands to switch back to the CV makes the squadron in the air teleport back into the hangar), they implemented ''automated consumables'' for the CV. So rather than being the player's ship, the CV is simply a bot that their planes fly off of. Opinions about the rework are getting increasingly negative, but still heavily split: many CV players find it insultingly dumbed down, while many non-CV players find the new [=CVs=] to be just as annoying to play against as the old ones (or more). And this is all exacerbated by the fact that the CV rework is being introduced on the live server for update 0.8.0 (in January 2019), even though everybody agrees it's nowhere near ready and still only in the early Beta stage. The idea of the entire game effectively returning to Open Beta Test (three years after if officially left that status) doesn't sit well with a lot of players.
31	** There was also the fact that while pre-rework [=CVs=] existed at all tiers from IV to X, after the rework all odd-tiered [=CVs=] were removed and only Tiers IV, VI, VIII and X remained. The odd-tiered premium [=CVs=] (all Tier VII) became Tier VIII after the rework. While essentially everybody thought this was stupid and/or lazy on Wargaming's part, opinion was still split into two basic camps. Those who liked [=CVs=] were outraged that some of their favorite ships were being removed, many of which were quite iconic like the Tier IX American ''Essex'' and Tier IX Japanese ''Taiho''. While CV haters were inclined to quip that it removing odd-tier [=CVs=] was a good start, and Wargaming just needed to remove the even-tiered ones as well.
32	* The announcement that ''West Virginia'' was going to be added into the game as the old Colorado A hull a tier 6. Some people were fine with it, but others were ''furious''. This is mostly because after ''West Virginia'' was raised after being sunk at Pearl Harbor, she received a unique rebuild giving her secondaries and a a superstructure more in line with later US fast battleships. The later camp was made that this unique hull wouldn't be in the game, and if they wanted a tier 6 Colorado they could have used ''USS Maryland'' instead.
33	** The resolution of the problem rubbed some people the wrong way, while others thought it was fine. [=Wargaming=] announced that there would be two premium versions of the West Virginia in different configurations (West Virginia 1941 and West Virginia 1944). The problem some people brought up was that this naming scheme could make identifying ships difficult and could open the flood gates to allowing better versions of existing premiums, and also allowing new ships that share the name of existing ships.[[note]]Common suggestions being the UsefulNotes/WorldWarI German armored cruiser SMS ''Scharnhorst'' (or her sister ship SMS ''Gneisenau'') and the post-UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Australian destroyer HMAS ''Vampire'', both famous ships whose names are currently taken by even more famous UsefulNotes/WorldWarII ships of the same name.[[/note]]
34	** And finally when West Virginia 1941 was released, there was some controversy over whether or not she was any good. To summarize she has excellent guns but rather substandard everything else, even lacking the standard bonuses US battleships got to their handling and healing.
35	** And to add more fuel into the fire, a refitted version of ''West Virginia'' was later found out to be available exclusively to the ''mobile'' version of the game.
36	* When Black versions of Asashio, Atago, Tirpitz and Massachusetts were announced, to say players were split between opinions was an understatement. The contra- camp cited their less-than-stellar reception in World of Tanks to a similar scheme of black versions of premium tanks, and saying that the original owners of the premium ships in question should be given an option of buying only the black camo for their ships instead of needing to buy an entirely separate premium ship just for the camo. The pro- camp said "don't like it, don't buy it", pointing out that these black-colored premium ships are identical in every respect to the original premiums save for the black color, and that any incentive to buy them falls squarely to the player.
37	* When the Russian battleship line was announced, opinions were split over if it was a good idea. The pro camp considered it an inevitability given the games Russian origin and were just happy to have new ships. The anti camp pointed out that it breaks a new record for paper ships in a line, with only ''one'' of the new battleships being actually completed.[[note]]And that one, Gangut, is already in the game under its post-refit form of ''October Revolution'', which is placed one tier higher than Gangut.[[/note]] An almost all of the designs that are in the game are incredibly obscure, and only one was really serious. By comparison the previous record holder, France, has three completed battleships and all but one of the paper ships at least have a wikipedia page.
38	* The gun damage rework that capped the maximum damage an AP shell of 280mm or greater could deal to a destroyer to 10% of base shell damage (essentially making all AP hits on destroyers only overpenetrations) was met with huge controversy. The original issue was that Wargaming's damage model was intended to have high caliber AP shells only overpenetrate destroyers due to their extremely thin armor, with a chance for full penetrations to occur on oblique angle impacts that don't outright bounce off. However, a bug in the damage modeling system meant that an AP shell could register more than one instance of damage per hit. For example, the AP shell could "double-dip" for both an overpen and full penetration. This meant that the high base damage of a single battleship AP shell could result in a full salvo instantly or nearly kill a full HP destroyer. The numerous complaints about this bug eventually led to the damage rework. Destroyer players were ecstatic at the change, since it meant they would no longer be killed by random pseudo-detonations caused by battleship AP shells, while battleship players were furious since it weakened their ability to deal with destroyers, while the rest of the player base were angry simply because Wargaming failed to address the root cause of the "double-dipping", which was the source of the complaints destroyer players had against high caliber AP rounds in the first place, as the problem still exists post-patch.
39	* When the CV rework dropped not only was its nature controversial but so was the nature of the next two hotfixes, 8.01 and 8.02. While everyone agreed that the 8.00 ''Hakuryu'' was completely broken on release, some people thought every other CV was fine. However some people hated the new system entirely, in no small part of the massive counter play [=CVs=] potentially had against [=DDs=] (when previously [=DDs=] had been a primary counter to [=CVs=], now the reverse was the case and [=CVs=] arguably no longer '''have''' any class that hard-counters them). Then 8.01 dropped and massively increased AA and removed a couple of exploits. [[note]]Most notably carriers being able to press the F key to instantly render their squadrons invulnerable by recalling them to the carrier[[/note]], but basically made any attack run a suicide mission at tier 8 at above because AA worked too well. However this didn't stop high tier CV game-play as intrepid carriers found they could "cold drop" ordnance before attacking so that they put less aircraft in danger. Some people argued this immediately defeated the purpose of the rework as it put a relatively high skill curve to enter CV play. ''Then'' war-gaming announced the AA scaling at tier 8 and above was higher than intended and released 8.02 which put AA in the middle of 8.01 and 8.00 at higher tiers. Some people argued this was just right, others said it was much closer than the previous two but needed fine tuning, others still thought it was too strong, some thought 8.01 AA should have been retained, still others thought 8.01 AA was still too weak, and a last group just hated the whole new concept promised to be angry no matter what level AA was at. Its without a doubt the most fractured and factionalized the fandom has ever been due to a change.
40	** And then 8.03 dropped, which further nerfed carriers by making it more difficult to aim rocket planes and reducing the aerial spotting range of all ships. Destroyer players were supportive of the change since it lessened the overwhelming and borderline game breaking effectiveness carriers had against destroyers. Carrier players were furious since all of these nerfs hitting at once essentially makes rocket planes useless. US carrier players were particularly angry since US carriers are supposed to have more powerful rockets to compensate for weaker torpedoes, so they are disproportionately affected by the rocket nerfs.
41	** The very fact that Wargaming was testing Royal Navy carriers before the CV rework was even finalized. It doesn't help that the test versions of the ships were currently extremely overpowered despite successive rounds of nerfs.
42	** Then there was Wargaming's decision to change the way AA worked for multiple ships sailing close together. In the older version of the game, if there were multiple ship AA "bubbles" overlapping with each other, the combined AA of each ship was added up with no modifiers, so two ships with 500 AA damage per second could deal 1000 AA damage per second if close together. In 8.2, Wargaming added a negative modifier to stacked AA, so now both 500 AA damage per second ships would now deal more than 500, but less than 1000 AA damage per second. Carrier players were happy that it meant their planes would be shot down less and make attempting to attack clusters of ships more feasible, while everybody else was furious because Wargaming essentially nerfed the most common defensive tactic against carriers. It also didn't help that carriers were already able to strike ships through multiple AA zones, leaving many to wonder why such a nerf was even necessary in the first place.
43	** Wargaming selling the reworked premium carriers ''Enterprise'', ''Saipan'', ''Graf Zeppelin'', and ''Kaga'' without addressing many of the lingering issues the CV rework never addressed was taken as a sign by many that Wargaming had essentially given up the CV rework altogether and was looking to cash out.
44	** When former community contributor Flamu released a video he'd taken a community contributor summit, the CV rework controversy exploded yet again. In the presentation given to the [=CCs=], Wargaming essentially admitted that they were aware [=CVs=] are excesively powerful but weren't doing anything about it because they wanted to keep CV player numbers high. The idea that they're apparently judging the "success" of the CV rework solely on the basis of how many people play [=CVs=] and then guaranteeing that the number would stay high by making [=CVs=] overpowered enraged non-CV players, who concluded that Wargaming is ruining the game for everybody else just so they can avoid telling their bosses that the rework was a failure.
45	* The whole saga of the proposed move of the tier V premium battleship Giulio Cesare to tier six, dubbed [[ScandalGate "GC gate"]] by the fans. As stated war gaming claimed Giulio Cesare was over powered (something most people agree with) and said it would be buffed and moved to tier six. Most buyers of premium ships were furious as this counteracted War Gaming's official (but not legally binding) policy of never nerfing premium vehicles. Some people thought it was a good idea however to start nerfing the OP premiums. However, after not being satisfied with testing, War Gaming canceled the nerf. This obviously pissed off the later group and left a substantial portion of the former still angry that it was even seriously considered for a length of time. The fact the ship in question was one of four Italian ships in the game didn't do anything to temper opinions.
46	* The "iChase Case." Community contributor iChase gaming posted a video where he was focused by a same tier aircraft carrier in the new Russian battleship Vladivostok. He cursed and ranted the whole time and went on screed about the flaws of aircraft carriers. This of course caused a giant flame war when it hit the forums between the usual CV and anti CV suspects. However this particular flame war took a new dimension when it was pointed that: A)iChase himself is hardly a stranger to carriers himself. In fact he's gleefully found exploits and shown people how to do them before. B) He wasn't using the O key or making effective use of his fighters, both things he should be very well aware of by now has hes demonstrated using them. C) For all is salt, he still got two kills, 100k damage, and won. D)He was being spotted and damaged by the enemy cruisers and Battleships and received most of the damage from them. These observation caused a the thread to devolve into not just the usual CV v. DD insult wars, but a free for all between iChase fans and detractors along with anyone who basically had any gripes about the game. It quickly swelled to over ''300+'' posts of rage with the mods being mostly powerless to do anything.
47	* Hot off the heels of the "[=iChase=] Case" came a forum thread by fellow community contributor Little White Mouse explaining the intricacies of the continuous damage portion of the anti-aircraft mechanics. Basically, what she found out was that the AA values listed in the port for each ship were not entirely truthful. While continuous damage is measured in "damage per second", the damage is not actually applied every second. Instead, all AA guns have a hidden reload time, so they only apply a certain amount of damage every few seconds, with reload times going up to 4 seconds. Even worse, the AA guns don't actually start off loaded, and only start loading the moment a plane enters their attack range. Given the speed of planes, that means they can theoretically fly up to a ship, perform their attack run, and fly away, with the continuous damage guns only firing once, if at all. Little White Mouse initially thought the fact AA guns don't start loaded was a bug, until the developers clarified that it was an intended mechanic, not a bug. The revelation that the developers deliberately implemented AA this way without informing anybody made the anti-CV side explode with furor.
48	* Ranked season 12 was particularly divisive for two reasons. First, it is the first ranked season to include the reworked carriers, and given how divisive carriers currently are in random battles, their inclusion in ranked battles fanned the flames between the anti and pro CV camps even further. Second is the introduction of "rental" ships to ranked battles, where players with Tier VIII ships could temporarily unlock Tier X ship to play in ranked battles. This immediately had some players complaining that it would cause an influx of players into ranked battles who would have no experience playing Tier X ships, therefore dragging down their team's chances of winning. Other players argued that rental ships were a good way to get more people into ranked battles and encourage participation.
49	** Wows Nightly News [[https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/192813-wows-nightly-news-43-ranked-battles-season-twelve/ pointed out]], an unintended consequence of adding [=CVs=] to ranked was the proliferation of inexperienced AA ship players, namely in Worcester, Minotaur, and Grozovois. Aircraft Carriers ended up being not as ubiquitous as people thought they might, be these players have been. Very frequently they do nothing but get devastating striked and ranting at the team for not supporting them. There have been a few cries on the forum to knock it off and play ships you know, but others refuse and keep bringing in AA boats as protest.
50	* The 8.5 change to AA. Instead of the continuous AA randomly, it now hits the same plane over and over again. Que people saying that this killed CV and some people saying that was a good thing. Several threads about all the rage swelled to 500 responses.
51	* The announcement of the "naval training center" (a system where players could regrind lines for cosmetics and, controversially, permanent buffs to ships, is almost a subversion, as it was instantly and almost unanimously despised by the community. There were a few "yay" Sayers though, so let's go over it. The pro side seems to be mostly very high win rate players and community contributors, who argued that it was a great way to give veteran players more reason to keep playing the game. Everybody else though shot back that this system would effectively turn new players and casuals into second class citizens. It's absolutely staggering how many were in the latter camp, with bitter forum rivals suddenly embracing each other and arguing together that the idea should be canned immediately.
52	** To give an idea of how strong the reaction was, the two main 8.5 AA threads about two days took about two days to swell to the combined 500 responses of arguing. The "get a load of this naval training center" thread took only ''8 hours'' to reach this same amount and it was mostly people ''agreeing with each other.'' Little White Mouse made a post calling out Naval Training Center, and it got ''over 100 likes in four hours.'' Most of the debate is centering around if there is anything salvageable from the concept of Naval Training Center, otherwise its the most united the fandom has ever been.
53	** Wargaming responded to this controversy by scrapping the Naval Training Center, but replacing it with the [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Research Bureau]]. It uses the same "regrind lines to get research points" setup, but the idea of buffing ships by regrinding them was discarded. Instead, Research Bureau is used as a method of obtaining new ships, with the first being the Tier X French cruiser ''Colbert'' and the yet to be released second being the Tier X American battleship ''Ohio'' (essentially a ''Montana'' with the triple 406mm guns replaced by twin 457mm, as seen on the Tier IX premium ''Georgia''). Some players are relieved by the "permanent buffs" concept being discarded, and think this is a fair way obtain Tier X premiums. Others think it's not actually that different from permanent buffs, since ''Colbert'' is a very dangerous ship (albeit more suited to damage-farming in Random battles than in winning competitive modes like Ranked and Clan Battles) and at the time of the announcement ''Ohio'' was in testing with stats that made it seem like a straight upgrade over ''Montana'' (though ''Ohio'' was promptly nerfed for the next round of tests). A third group of players dismissed it as a poorly-disguised cash grab, because resetting and grinding through five lines to unlock the Tier X again (or do so with a single line five times) is a very time-consuming process even for dedicated players, so with rather desirable unique ships locked behind the Research Bureau, some players would be inclined to spend large amounts of doubloons (ie real-world money) to convert ship XP into free XP and skip the grind. And since doing so requires ''millions'' of XP, the conversion would involve quite a chunk of doubloons.
54	* Overlapping chronologically with the Naval Training Center/Research Bureau controversy was the announcement that submarines had begun testing and would be added to the game at some later date. Some players were very happy because they'd been wanting subs to be added for a long time, while other players had been dreading the notion of submarines for just as long. And the footage of early test gameplay at Gamescom 2019 only fueled the divide, since the submarines were given speeds (both surfaced and submerged) far in excess of what any of them could achieve in reality, they had active sonar (something no UsefulNotes/WorldWarII submarine ever carried) and they're armed with ''guided'' torpedoes. Some players defended this by saying that UsefulNotes/WorldWarII submarines with more realistic speeds would be unable to keep up with the surface ships already in the game, while the anti-submarine camp responded by arguing that's exactly why they shouldn't be added.
55	* The July 2020 reveal that a new line of ships was going to be slow super-dreadnought style US Battleships. A fictional continuation of the pre-war "Standard Battleships" that were mostly relegated to land bombardments in [=WW2=], splitting off from the "Fast Battleships" at Tier 8. Requests for this sub-line had been floating around for years, but at the current time most players had expected & wanted a new line to be Italian Battleships, which could be comprised of ships that actually existed.
56	** The implementation of the slow BB line was also controversial, for two different reasons. One was that it was perceived as lazy, starting the split at Tier 8 and thus only having 3 ships and not incorporating any of the real-life Standard Battleship classes that weren't in the game yet, instead only adding two versions of the cancelled 1920 ''South Dakota'' class[[note]]Also seen as a sign of laziness; the fact that they both use the same hull means large portions of the 3D model are identical and thus Wargaming effectively only designed 2 and a half ships rather than 3 ships for the line.[[/note]] (unrelated to the 1939 class of the same name) for Tiers 8 and 9 and a Wargaming creation loosely based on the "Tillman Battleship" design studies at Tier 10. The other controversy was that the 3 ships added are widely seen as underpowered, with their large number of big guns not actually being sufficient to make up for glacially slow top speed and main gun reload (23 knots and 45 seconds, respectively), along with mediocre at best armor.

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