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| 5 | With the fandom as large and diverse as it is in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', [[BrokenBase infighting is inevitable]]. Some dividing factors include the Aesop of some episodes [[BrokenAesop coming off the wrong way to some fans]], the portrayal of fan-favorite characters, and whether or not {{Fandom Nod}}s are good for the show. |
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| 11 | [[folder:In General...]] |
| 12 | * Did the show suffer SeasonalRot? And if it did then when? Did it ever recover? Opinions vary ''wildly''. |
| 13 | ** Some say the Rot began as early as Season 1, since it was the only season where Creator/LaurenFaust [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight was fully on board]], and Season 2 had a tonal shift that turned Season 1 purists away. |
| 14 | ** Some say it kicked in with Season 3, which was shorter, had less well-regarded episodes, and had the infamous controversy over Twilight becoming an [[WingedUnicorn alicorn]] and being crowned a Princess. |
| 15 | ** Season 4 ended with Golden Oaks Library being destroyed and Twilight getting her castle and formal title as Princess of Friendship, intensifying the alienation of those turned off by [[FanNickname Twilicorn]]. The season also had a lot of "gimmicky" episodes with [[BizarroEpisode strange]] [[AudienceAlienatingPremise plotlines]] (Daring Do turns out to be real, Fluttershy becomes a vampire-like creature, the ponies are sucked into a magic comic book) or a focus on a side character to the detriment of the main cast (Cheese Sandwich, Maud, the Breezies), which gave the season a different tone. This continued into Season 5 with the same complaints; while 5 got better reception than 4, some say the continued featuring of side characters and unusual plotlines contributed to the dilution of the show's tone and focus on the Mane Six. This complaint would continue to persist through the rest of the series to varying degrees. |
| 16 | ** Season 6 is perhaps the most widely-held candidate for Seasonal Rot. Starlight Glimmer joined the cast and became '''the''' biggest BaseBreakingCharacter in the show, with some hating her and decrying her as "the [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Poochie]]" added to keep the show fresh with the Mane Six losing their luster. The season also saw the reformation of the changelings and the addition of baby Flurry Heart, both controversial developments. Behind the scenes, many long-time writers (most famous being Amy Keeting Rogers and Mitch Larson) had departed after Season 4 or Season 5 and were replaced with new writers, and some see a shift in writing style and quality over the course of Season 4 to Season 6. |
| 17 | ** While Season 7 got a better reception than Season 6, Season 8 more than made up for it and became perhaps the most controversial season overall, possibly because it repeats the major controversies of past seasons that detractors disliked -- the Student Six were new characters that were the focus of the season overall and saved the day in the season finale (Season 6 and Starlight Glimmer), the School of Friendship was a major setting update and controversial plotline (Season 4 and Twilight's castle), the show declared the movie was canonical and worked elements of it into the show (the movie itself was controversial, and explicitly making it canon while avoiding doing the same for ''Equestria Girls'' rubbed that spin-off's fans the wrong way), and Spike got his wings (Season 3 and Twilicorn). The season isn't without its good episodes, but it also hosts several episodes agreed to be among the worst of the series. |
| 18 | ** Finally there's Season 9, which had a running plot of Celestia and Luna stepping down to hand their crowns to Twilight, something some fans didn't care for the idea or disliked how it was being handled in-universe, with Celestia and Luna springing this on Twilight very suddenly and without asking. The series finale (not counting the DistantFinale) had two ''very'' controversial developments: [[spoiler:the reveal that Grogar had actually been Discord in disguise]], and [[spoiler:the villains being [[TakenForGranite turned to stone]] instead of being offered [[HeelFaceTurn redemption]].]] Given that the entire season was building up a showdown between Twilight and the LegionOfDoom, some feel that the pay-off was not satisfactory and it sours the season. |
| 19 | * Pick a season. Any season. They're all pretty divisive. |
| 20 | ** Season 1: FirstInstallmentWins or [[SoOkayItsAverage does it pale in contrast to later seasons?]] |
| 21 | ** Season 2: Was this when the show [[GrowingTheBeard grew the beard]] or did Creator/LaurenFaust leaving halfway through hurt its chances for development? |
| 22 | ** Season 3: Worst season ever or was it overhated? |
| 23 | ** Season 4 on two fronts: |
| 24 | *** Best season with many memorable episodes or was the show already past its prime with Twilight becoming an alicorn? |
| 25 | *** This season had a diminished role for the Elements of Harmony with the Mane Six requiring {{Plot Coupon}}s to restore them. Fans who welcomed this season-long arc thought the Elements of Harmony were overused and turned the Mane Six's villain fights into a boring CurbStompBattle. Then there were fans who were against doing away with such an iconic part of the first three seasons until the battle against Tirek, especially considering they were ''readily available'' for Twilight to use on Discord towards the end of Season 3. |
| 26 | ** Season 5 has gotten to be the most divisive by far. |
| 27 | *** Has the show risen to new heights or is it new SeasonalRot setting in [[ToughActToFollow after Season 4 won back the crowd]]? |
| 28 | *** Has the Mane Cast been [[{{Flanderization}} flanderized]] beyond recognition or are they still the same ponies we all know and love? |
| 29 | ** Season 6: Was it a good season even if it wasn't the best of the show, [[SoOkayItsAverage a decent/okay but mostly forgettable season]] with a few too many flawed episodes, or an outright bad season and a case of SeasonalRot? |
| 30 | *** The characters have been suffering from more AesopAmnesia in this season. Some fans think it's a good way to learn from their mistakes while others say the storylines [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks have become boring and repetitive because of it.]] |
| 31 | *** Unsurprisingly, [[SixthRanger Starlight Glimmer]]. Starlight has gotten a lot of focus placed on her in this season, including both the season premiere and the finale giving her wide prominence. Is Starlight an interesting addition to the cast, or a really bad SpotlightStealingSquad that is another nail in the coffin for the show? |
| 32 | ** Season 7: Most engaging season so far with interesting stories, just a mild improvement over 6, or [[SoOkayItsAverage just as repetitive as 6]] and a sign that the series is far past its prime and is running on creative fumes at this point? |
| 33 | ** Season 8: A good season overall with some interesting world building and themes, a decent season with a rather uneven mix of good and mediocre episodes, or a bad season on par if not worse than Seasons 3 & 6, that further proves the show’s staff is out of ideas? |
| 34 | *** Was the decision of having the Mane 6 open up the School of Friendship a great and unique way of expanding on the show’s mythos, an interesting idea that perhaps wasn’t met to its fullest potential, or a shallow excuse of keeping the show going longer than it needed to be? |
| 35 | *** The overarching theme of proving that said school is important to keep open. Was it a bold move on the show's staff to tackle such an adult topic like the education system, or did it fall apart with a lack of proper buildup to the resolution and a sudden change in antagonist from what was presented in the premiere? |
| 36 | *** The continued focus on the Mane 6 despite their character arcs being practically over. Standard storytelling convention or blatant disregard for more interesting characters which have debuted but were never able to be fully explored due simply not being the main characters? |
| 37 | ** Season 9: Was it one of the most engaging seasons in a long time with more interesting episode stories that wrapped up remaining plot threads nicely and ended the show on a grand note, a SoOkayItsAverage season that was mildly better than Season 8 and ended the show well enough even if it wasn’t great, or the worst season of all that rushed through its resolutions and insulted the fans and series legacy more than satisfied? |
| 38 | * As mentioned in the header, [[FandomNod fandom nods]], [[AscendedMeme meme ascensions]], and AscendedFanon appearing in the show continue to be a hot button topic. Are they cute and clever references to the PeripheryDemographic? Or just blatant, lazy pandering by the creators to get cheap laughs and cheers (or [[{{Troll}} any reaction]]) from the fans, allowing the writers to slack off? Episodes like "[[TakeThatAudience Fame and Misfortune]]" has been especially accused of this. |
| 39 | * After Starlight Glimmer's HeelFaceTurn at the end of the fifth season, a lot of debate amongst bronies rose over the tendency for the majority of the show's villains to be [[HeelFaceTurn redeemed or otherwise easily forgiven for their actions]]. Some feel that it fits the CentralTheme of the show (i.e. ThePowerOfFriendship) perfectly, and showing that [[RousseauWasRight some people are capable of changing for the better]] is an important life lesson for everybody. Others feel that the villains [[MoralEventHorizon couldn't possibly earn forgiveness for some of the things they've done]], [[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids and point out even if it ''could'' happen]], [[EasilyForgiven forgiveness is NOT as simple as the show makes it out to be]]. [[TakeAThirdOption A third group]] says they don't ''mind'' a few villains being reformed -- bullies like Gilda, Diamond Tiara and Trixie, in particular -- but think that the world-ending threats like Discord, Starlight Glimmer, and Tempest Storm getting the same treatment take it too far. |
| 40 | ** On the flip side, the fact that some villains don't get redeemed has also proved divisive, mainly on who isn't redeemed. For example, the fact that those like [[ConMan the Flim Flam brothers]] are still con artists even after so many seasons. There are those who think it works well enough in order to show how reformations don't always work. The other side thinks it brings up bad implications (i.e. never trust a business). |
| 41 | * Musical-based episodes. Fans who like them argue they explore HiddenDepths of the characters in ways that mere speakings couldn't, as well as showcasing the cast's fabulous singing talents. Fans who don't argue the songs detract too much from the episode's storyline or even act as {{padding}}, leading to dragging or rushed plots. |
| 42 | * Ever since the switch over from Creator/TheHub to Discovery Family, the website Equestria Daily has seemed to have hit the panic button on the number of viewers watching the series. This has lead to debates on if the show, being heavily MerchandiseDriven doesn't ''need'' to worry about something silly like ratings while toys are being sold, especially if the show is also being sold elsewhere, or if the ratings falling is a sign that ''Friendship Is Magic'' is on the way out. |
| 43 | * [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore The irreversible changes in status quo]] over the course of the serie's run. Those who are okay with them see this as nice additions or even [[GrownTheBeard improvement]] that [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks keep the show from being too stale]] for a given amount of time. [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks Those who don't]] tend to fall into two camp: disliking ''any'' changes to the status quo on principle or seeing them as either happening too frequently or too much while sacrifice what made the show initially so special. |
| 44 | * The fact that the show still keeps the TV-Y rating even after dropping the e/i subtitle is also somewhat divisive. On the hand, it allows the show to not carry some of the [[TooBleakStoppedCaring potential [[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids baggage]] from older skewing kids shows, especially more serialized shows, by intentionally holding itself back to let the more serious elements stand out. On the other hand, doing this too much under this rating means the show can't go far enough when dealing with more mature subjects, possibly resulting in UnfortunateImplications or [[BrokenAesop broken aesops]]. Some episodes in particular have been accused of this, particularly [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E4OneBadApple "One Bad Apple"]] with its portrayal of bullying, [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E13DoPrincessesDreamOfMagicSheep "Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?"]] with its portrayal of low self-esteem, and [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune "Fame and Misfortune"]] with its portrayal of toxic fandom. |
| 45 | ** There's the matter of more overarching storytelling taking a long time, particularly with how stuff like Celestia getting her first focus episode, addressing AJ's parents' (implied) deaths, and Starswirl making his first physical appearance all happening in ''season 7'', or Scootaloo's family appearing in season 9, the ''last'' season. One side doesn't mind it since it means the staff can focus more on the quality of the episodes, while the other side wants the lore and world building sooner so as for the show to be much more groundbreaking. |
| 46 | * After season 5, Diamond Tiara has been reduced to background appearances. People either like it since it means they don't have to put up with her anymore, or they think this is wasted potential by not expanding on her character enough. |
| 47 | * A ''massive'' ContentLeak two days before the series finale leaked the script-work (among other things) of ''every episode'', from the in-progress plans to the final work. While for obvious legal reasons [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes we won't link them here]], looking through them provokes the question: are the versions we got ultimately for the best, or were [[NegatedMomentOfAwesome the in-progress versions]] ''[[NegatedMomentOfAwesome better]]'' [[NegatedMomentOfAwesome than what we got?]] |
| 48 | * Given that "The Perfect Pear" heavily implies but [[UncertainDoom never outright says]] that Applejack's parents are dead, it makes one wonder if the show adheres too much to the NeverSayDie mentality. Some fans see it as just fine knowing that actions speak louder than words, and the writers have to understand the limitations of TV-Y rated shows. On the other hand, many fans see it as shying too heavily away from a subject matter that even it's target demographic are familar with. And seeing as how there have been other TV-Y rated shows (e.g. ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'', ''WesternAnimation/ElenaOfAvalor'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Vampirina}}, ''WesternAnimation/FancyNancy'', ''WesternAnimation/LetsGoLuna'') that tackled the material well, they think the show doesn't have an excuse to talk about it ''unambiguously''. |
| 49 | * The season finales, particularly the latter ones, having TheMainCharactersDoEverything clause that usually only has the Mane 6 save the day while everyone else exists solely to be saved and/or congratulate them despite being perfectly capable in-universe. Justified due to the episode's run-time or poor storytelling? Situations that ''don't'' have the Mane 6 save the day (such as [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E25SchoolRazePart1 "School Raze, Part 1"]] and "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E25ToWhereAndBackAgainPart1 To Where and Back Again, Part 1]]") only came about because the narrative roles effectively switched, making them just as or if not even more divisive. |
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| 53 | * It was revealed by Lauren Faust herself on 25 January 2020 that [[https://derpibooru.org/images/2256835 Celestia was the one who freed Nightmare Moon]]. Not everyone is happy with this development. There are people who support this due to ''finally'' getting an explanation to one of the series' biggest ElephantInTheRoom while being obvious in hindsight with Celestia's ability to move the sun and moon at that time -- and that the sun is also a star. Along with her [[PsychicPowers gift of prophecy]], it paints her as TheChessmaster that rigged the whole event from start to finish in her favour for the sake of Luna's salvation. A well-meaning manipulator like [[Franchise/HarryPotter Dumbledore]]. The detractors of this state that this [[VoodooShark opens up a whole new can of worms]]. Why did Celestia leave her sister in the moon specifically for 1000 years? How much control does she really have over NMM's imprisonment? Is her faith in Twilight restoring the Elements of Harmony so great that she got herself locked away when NMM broke out while willing to gamble all of Equestria? As shown in the Season 5 finale, why would Celestia release NMM anyway if there are no potential element bearers? All these issues paint her as a useless monarch ''at best'' who just orchestrated her retirement plan from the start using Twilight Sparkle, which is in line with Lauren Faust's idea of the show's ending. It also reveals implications that distant stars which were supposed to move on their own in "A Rockhoof and A Hard Place" can also be manipulated. It doesn't help that meta-wise, while Lauren was the writer, this answer came long after she left meaning that this whole situation is more like WordOfSaintPaul, meaning that this explanation can't even be applied properly. Lauren herself even [[https://twitter.com/Fyre_flye/status/1222966286696583168 says that her word no longer applies]] due to no longer being the main showrunner. |
| 54 | * Fans are divided on Rainbow Dash towards Fluttershy in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E7Dragonshy "Dragonshy"]]. Was she the [[OnlySaneMan only sane mare]] or an insensitive {{Jerkass}}? |
| 55 | * Trixie's show in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E6BoastBusters Boast Busters]]" is either a case of "victims being bullied by a MilesGloriosus after calling out her bragging" or "obnoxious [[TheHeckler hecklers]] get comeuppance from arrogant performer for disrupting an apparently free show" based on who you ask, with debates about the nature of her show and who was in the right or wrong popping up to this day. This makes the ending either "antagonist getting LaserGuidedKarma after their lie is revealed" or "DesignatedVillain gets put on the spot and [[KarmicOverkill loses her home and all her belongings for it]]", again based on who you ask, with the one point of consensus being "[[TheScrappy those two idiots]] deserved worse than [[KarmaHoudini getting moustaches]] for [[TooDumbToLive luring a monster to town for fun]]." |
| 56 | * Many fans considered [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E15FeelingPinkieKeen "Feeling Pinkie Keen"]] the funniest episode of the season 1, but it also drew a great deal of heat due to the [[AnAesop Aesop]] being interpreted as being [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical about religion and atheism]], or being a ScienceIsBad message. |
| 57 | * Depending on who you ask, [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E8LookBeforeYouSleep "Look Before You Sleep"]] is either a funny and simple character-driven delight, a boring and childish mess (childish due to the ponies' petty squabbling), or SoOkayItsAverage. |
| 58 | * Rarity's characterization in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E16SonicRainboom "Sonic Rainboom"]]. Was she right to show off her magical wings to everypony in Cloudsdale and in the Best Young Flyer contest or was she way too selfish and upstaging Rainbow Dash in the process? |
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| 62 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E3LessonZero "Lesson Zero"]] divided fans between those who were willing to chalk up Twilight's SanitySlippage to RuleOfFunny, and those who either thought it was a massive TemporarilyExaggeratedTrait and a little mean-spirited, or found it too scary due to Twilight's constant {{Slasher Smile}}s and/or the implication that she wasn't psychologically stable. |
| 63 | * Either [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E4LunaEclipsed "Luna Eclipsed"]] was the best episode for Luna due to the comedy of her adapting to Nightmare Night, or the worst thing about her due to her coming off as too gawky with her loud voice, etc. |
| 64 | * In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E7MayTheBestPetWin "May the Best Pet Win!"]], whether or not Rainbow Dash putting the animals through so much danger was fine, even if they were willing. Oddly, a lot of people that feel Rainbow Dash was a jerk for doing so seem to forget or ignore that [[FriendToAllLivingThings Fluttershy]] was just fine with the contest too, even exuberant about it. |
| 65 | * Even to this day, fans are bitterly divided over loving [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E8TheMysteriousMareDoWell "The Mysterious Mare Do Well"]] or hating it, and all of it revolving around [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation how the actions of Rainbow Dash and the Mane Six are interpreted.]] |
| 66 | ** Mare-Do-Well (who is secretly five of the Mane Six) was either showing Rainbow Dash what a real hero was supposed to be like in the hopes of making her change her ways and saving ponies that Rainbow Dash would have been unable to save on her own, with the disguise as a way of showing her humility, '''or''' made a piss poor attempt at teaching Dash anything, instead presenting her with an unbeatable rival and egging her on to dangerous and embarrassing actions, with the disguise as a cowardly and dishonest way of hiding from Dash. |
| 67 | ** Rainbow Dash was either doing good deeds all over Ponyville, acting as a real hero, and basking in much-deserved praise from the citizens, then driven to despair and abandoned by even her most loyal fans because she came across as looking pathetic compared to Mare-Do-Well, '''or''' was bragging way too much to the point that it was endangering other ponies, embarrassed herself and ruined her own reputation through nopony's fault except her own, and was too stupid to pick up on the lesson that Mare-Do-Well was trying to teach her until she had it spelled out at the end of the episode. |
| 68 | ** Dash's friends were either having some good-natured fun among themselves and dropping hints to Dash that she would be happier and more successful if she just improved her attitude and acted more like Mare-Do-Well (i.e. humbly and without showboating), '''or''' were cruelly mocking Dash and her misfortunes while hypocritically praising Mare-Do-Well (i.e. themselves), fully aware that attacking Dash's competitive personality this way would only cause her grief. |
| 69 | ** When Dash confronted Mare Do Well, she ran off into a series of back alleys. Either Mare Do Well was luring Dash away from the crowd so that the Mane Six could talk to Dash in private and spare her any further humilation, '''or''' Mare Do Well was genuinely trying to get away from any confrontation so that she would not be humiliated herself. |
| 70 | * Derpy's cameo in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E14TheLastRoundup "The Last Roundup"]]. Was it a nice tribute to the fans of the show, obnoxious pandering to those fans, possibly offensive to disabled people (since the word "derp" has been associated with intellectual disabilities), or all/none/several of the above? Things got at least 10 times worse after the edits[[note]]Which edited out Derpy's name, changed her voice, and switched her crossed-eyes to correctly aligned eyes.[[/note]] that were made. |
| 71 | * Either [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E16ReadItAndWeep "Read It and Weep"]] is a fun romp with a great meta moral for the {{Periphery Demographic}}, or spends too much time on a dull {{Stock Parody}}. |
| 72 | * Putting aside [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic Pinkie's song,]] you either love [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E18AFriendInDeed "A Friend in Deed"]] because of its hilarious WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes-esque gags, or you hate it because it turns Pinkie into an unlikeable DesignatedHero [[ManChild MareFilly]] and having an [[DeusExMachina ultra-contrived]] happy ending. |
| 73 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E19PuttingYourHoofDown "Putting Your Hoof Down"]]: |
| 74 | ** Angel's treatment of Fluttershy (where he literally kicks her out of the house due to wanting a cherry). It can either come across as funny slapstick or [[DomesticAbuse cruelty]]. |
| 75 | ** Fluttershy being mean. The episode's fans will say that she needed to act this way to get the moral across, while the detractors will say that she went too far, and at least she should've been mean to the ones who were mean to her before, as opposed to random citizens. |
| 76 | * To some, [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime "It's About Time"]] is unpredictable and one of the show's funniest, while to others, it's so predictable that it feels like you're getting slapped in the face with how blatant and tedious it is. |
| 77 | * Fans are divided on the scene in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E23PonyvilleConfidential "Ponyville Confidential"]] where the CMC are shunned by the whole town once their identities get found out somehow, whether everypony's reaction believable or not, and more so, was [[LaserGuidedKarma justified]] or [[KarmicOverkill hurtful]]. |
| 78 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E25ACanterlotWeddingPart1 "A Canterlot Wedding - Part 1"]]: |
| 79 | ** Even before The Hub's premiere, a few fans called ExecutiveMeddling on this two-parter, since it concerns a frilly, stereotypically-girlish wedding of two characters only introduced this episode that [[RememberTheNewGuy no one has ever heard of before]] for the sake of Hasbro's marketing, while other bronies called it a fitting way to end the second season. |
| 80 | ** The debate over Twilight's confrontation with the others likely would have caused the episodes to be OvershadowedByControversy if not for the action-packed payoff of Part 2. Many feel the others were in the wrong for dismissing her in spite of everything she had done by that point in the series to show she wouldn't make such an accusation baselessly, knowing Cadance well enough so that her suspicions should have been taken seriously, and their not giving Twilight a chance to explain herself more rationally. Others defend them, arguing Twilight has been known to FreakOut before, [[NotHelpingYourCase she wasn't acting in a way that lived down her accusations of jealousy]], and she failed to give any evidence that couldn't be rationalized away (like Cadance forgetting their SecretHandShake), giving them enough to justify their dismissal. There's also those that think [[BothSidesHaveAPoint both sides were equally right/wrong]] and/or want the others to ''[[NeverLiveItDown get over it]]'', since, in the long run, it's a minor plot point compared to the others that happened in the two-parter and the rest of the series. |
| 81 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 "A Canterlot Wedding - Part 2"]]: |
| 82 | ** DJ-Pon-3's eyes are revealed! ... as magenta, not [[{{Fanon}} red]], and this was [[http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1453017/2524697457 later]] [[http://comments.deviantart.com/4/1453017/2562248614 confirmed]] by WordOfGod. Before the confirmation, some vehemently denied it, others assumed it was a trick of the lighting, others still supported it to the point of antagonizing neighsayers, and lastly, there were those who just shrugged and went "At least we know now." |
| 83 | ** Chrysalis defeating Celestia has divided some opinions on Celestia. [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation Either Celestia is still incredibly powerful and Chrysalis feeding on Shining Armor's love really did make her strong enough to defeat Celestia or Celestia is not as strong as she is credited to be]]. (Considering that Chrysalis herself was extremely shocked that she managed to do it and Celestia had been shown to be strong enough to neutralize a spell ''Twilight'' produced with little effort, and Chrysalis visibly strains against Celestia's BeamOWar, it's likely the former.) It doesn't help that Celestia is so judicious in using her magic that fans had mostly been ''assuming'' that she is a PhysicalGoddess without much evidence, so the baseline they assumed before this, well, who knows if it's right. |
| 84 | ** Was the false Cadance being dumb by casually acting evil, like snapping at Twilight about her ruining her plans, having a brainwashed Shining Armor with Celestia being none the wiser, and singing her VillainSong in front of thousands of ponies, including Celestia and the ponies she fooled, or does it just fall under the laws of cartoon logic, MusicalWorldHypotheses and [[MST3KMantra people should just relax]]? |
| 85 | *** By extension, are the ponies who ''saw'' her casually acting evil idiots or should we just relax? |
| 86 | ** When Applejack apologized on the behalf of everyone to Twilight, others sees the apology itself as rushed and half-hearted, and that the others should've contributed by giving a longer, [[SincerityMode heartfelt]] apology, and not just Applejack. The others however see the others apologizing as irrelevant since Applejack was the one who told them to leave Twilight, she should be the one apologizing as well. |
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| 90 | * For [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E1TheCrystalEmpirePart1 "The Crystal Empire - Part 1"]], some people are split on whether or not Twilight should have regarded the Crystal Empire to the best of her ability. Some think she's thinking rationally, others think she's disregarding thousands of lives as a simple test. |
| 91 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E3TooManyPinkiePies Too Many Pinkie Pies]]" spawned a ''lot'' of debate surrounding the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman aspect of the episode, since the clones (particularly the first one) were capable of learning and had emotions, and that it was made clear zapping them back to the Mirror Pond was a one way trip. Some fans were quick to side with the resolution, claiming the copies ''were'' just mindless copies, that they were incredibly destructive and needed to be dealt with, and that they weren't "killed" so much as just sent back to the pond. Other fans felt it was an uncomfortably dark and horrifying resolution, seeing the copies as ponies that [[ReallyWasBornYesterday were born yesterday]] and murdered out of convenience, felt particularly bad for the [[https://derpiboo.ru/450042 one final copy that was clearly terrified]], and that it was incredibly hypocritical of a show called "''Friendship'' is Magic" to end like that considering actual monsters like Discord were instead given a chance and reformed. [[https://www.derpibooru.org/1159879 A cameo in a later episode]] only served to rekindle this when the FridgeLogic kicks in, as it was shown that said clones really ''were'' capable of learning and functioning as individuals. |
| 92 | * There's a lot of argument over whether the issue of bullying and the Aesop of [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E4OneBadApple "One Bad Apple"]] were done well, or in an unrealistic (or inconsistent) manner, especially in regards to how the CMC got Babs to stop bullying them. Those who see it as unrealistic tend to point out that telling an adult is not always enough to stop a bully and that standing up to a bully doesn't make you one, while some people defend that aspect by saying that telling an adult works a lot of the time if not all the time, and that some methods of standing up to a bully are too mean. Those who see it as inconsistent point out that Applejack doesn't do anything when she actually sees Babs being a bully and that the CMC stand up to Babs [[BrokenAesop despite this being portrayed as wrong earlier]]. Then, there's the reveal that Babs was a bully [[FreudianExcuse due to being bullied herself]]-- is this a sympathetic reason, or just not good enough to justify her actions? |
| 93 | * Fandom opinion over the treatment of [[ThoseTwoGuys Snips and Snails]] in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E5MagicDuel "Magic Duel"]] is sharply divided. Was Trixie's handling of them over what happened [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E6BoastBusters the last time]] we saw her [[TakeThatScrappy justified]] or did she [[KarmicOverkill go too far]] in [[WouldHurtAChild mistreating]] her [[TheWoobie biggest fans]]? |
| 94 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E7WonderboltsAcademy "Wonderbolts Academy"]]: |
| 95 | ** Spitfire's [[DrillSergeantNasty demeanor]]. Some were turned off as it was [[OutOfCharacter a far cry from her friendly and laid back attitude from previous episodes]] while others felt it was {{justified|Trope}} as she was on duty and it was her job to weed out anyone who was incapable of being Wonderbolt material regardless of past interactions with her recruits. Having a [[VocalEvolution different-sounding]] (initially misidentified as [[TheOtherDarrin new]]) voice helped this perspective. On that note, some feel that Spitfire seems to have [[DudeWheresMyRespect completely forgotten what Rainbow Dash is capable of]], while the episode's defenders point out that Spitfire would logically be forbidden from showing Dash any favoritism. |
| 96 | ** Pinkie's behavior in this episode, where she obsesses over Rainbow Dash's letters, being paranoid that not replying to the first one promptly will distract Rainbow Dash from her studies. Either it's funny, sad, or annoying. |
| 97 | ** This episode. It's either Merriwether's "best episode since 'Hearth's Warming Eve'" or "SoOkayItsAverage but least it's not "Mare Do-Well" since the whole episode is written better". |
| 98 | ** Nobody will reasonably claim that Lightning Dust wasn't at fault in that episode, but whether or not Rainbow Dash and Spitfire were ''also'' at fault for the events of the episode and guilty of wrongdoing still manages to be a hot topic of debate when it's brought up. Was Spitfire simply unaware of Lightning Dust's reckless behavior or was she an unfair hypocrite for encouraging it and then punishing said behavior when it caused repercussions? Was Rainbow Dash torn because doing the right thing meant giving up her lifelong dream, or was she only bothered because she wanted to be team captain and when ''her'' friends were endangered? You get wildly different answers depending on who you ask. |
| 99 | ** Whether or not Spitfire was in the right for punishing Lightning Dust for the tornado incident at the end. Answers vary wildly depending on whether said fan blames Lightning Dust for pulling the reckless stunt to begin with, or blames Twilight Sparkle and her friends for flying blind into a live training area. Was it actually a hazardous stunt that endangered everyone, or was it only dangerous because of the flightless ponies in the blimp who shouldn't have been there to begin with? Was Lightning Dust's punishment appropriate, or excessive in light of how other villains (and heroes) got off easier for as bad or worse. |
| 100 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E8JustForSidekicks "Just for Sidekicks"]]: |
| 101 | ** Peewee's offscreen [[UnsuccessfulPetAdoption departure]]. Some fans were upset at Spike keeping Peewee rather than returning him to his parents and thought this was a fix. Fans who liked the idea of Spike having a pet though view it as TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter. |
| 102 | ** Spike's [[ButtMonkey treatment]] in this episode. Some found it funny, others found it unintentionally sad, the latter due to him not being invited to help welcome the inspector. |
| 103 | ** Fans are even divided on Zecora's role in this episode. Granted, her intentions for donating one of Spike's gems to charity were good, but it's hard for fans to decide whether it was an all-around good deed to get Spike to think straight or too mean (considering how some even interpret the way Zecora went about it and compare Spike's greed in this episode to his greed in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E10SecretOfMyExcess "Secret Of My Excess"]], and that this time around Spike's motivation wasn't greed at all but the perfectly justifiable intent of earning some gems to bake a cake). It doesn't help that [[SkewedPriorities she leaves Spike to handle the pets alone afterwards]], the problem he wanted her to help with in the first place. Even worse, her action becomes even more glaring when the episode's climax reveals that Spike ''cannot'' control his hunger for gems. |
| 104 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E9AppleFamilyReunion "Apple Family Reunion"]]. The reception of another Applejack centric episode was split down the middle. While it pleased many that AJ finally got another ADayInTheLimelight after spending most of Season Two OutOfFocus or [[OvershadowedByAwesome her centre spotlight stolen]], some believe the episode suffered as a result by recycling the SeriousBusiness plot akin to those of Twilight's episodes, but AJ's [[TheEveryman more reserved personality]] allowed for less extreme humor and a much more mundane outcome. |
| 105 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E10SpikeAtYourService "Spike at Your Service"]]: |
| 106 | ** The Mane Six's fear of the Timberwolves. They've faced stronger enemies like the Changelings and Discord without hesitation, and the Timberwolves only take one good hit to defeat, so their sudden terror is confusing to some. However, others have pointed out that the Timberwolves are pretty dang fast and nigh impossible to ''permanently'' kill. This isn't the first time the Mane Six have fled a fight either (the dragon teenagers come to mind). |
| 107 | ** Many of the episode's problems could be chalked up to its sudden, drastic change from its original concept. On the other hoof, if the WhatCouldHaveBeen is to be believed, the original version could have been ''even worse'', so it's probably for the best. |
| 108 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn "Keep Calm and Flutter On"]]: |
| 109 | ** The idea of an episode reforming a big-name villain like Discord had already split the fandom since the synopsis was first released. Upon viewing the episode, many felt that the ending was rushed, but fans are split on whether that ruined the episode or not. |
| 110 | ** Is this a good [[AnAesop lesson]]? How often has playing nice reformed RealLife enemies? On the other hoof, would it have been a good lesson ''not'' to reform him? There's no easy answer. |
| 111 | ** Twilight being willing to use a [[BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood "reform spell"]] on Discord. Was this perfectly justified given how potentially dangerous he is and seemingly limitless his powers are, or was Twilight dipping into villainy herself considering her [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E3LessonZero last time tinkering with brainwashing]] and how mind-altering seems to be a power employed exclusively by villains in the show's setting? |
| 112 | * Opinion is divided over how well [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E13MagicalMysteryCure "Magical Mystery Cure"]] pulled off Twilight becoming an Alicorn; whether it felt rushed and filled with [[MusicalEpisode too many songs]] instead of explaining events, or if this was a good way of condensing the plot down into a single episode without sacrificing the story-telling. |
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| 115 | [[folder:Season 4]] |
| 116 | * In [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E2PrincessTwilightSparklePart2 "Princess Twilight Sparkle - Part 2"]], was Applejack in the right for sending away Twilight from their quest or was she an idiot? Fans are split on either topic. |
| 117 | * The very concept that Daring Do is real according to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E4DaringDont "Daring Don't"]]. This idea alone split the fanbase between either loving this episode or hating it. While most were perfectly okay with this revelation, others did not like the idea at all, finding it jarring, pointless and illogical. Some fans were also unhappy with the amount of fan theories and headcanon that this episode jossed, such as the idea that "Twilight's mother is the author of Daring Do" that the IDW comics and Gameloft mobile app hinted. |
| 118 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E5FlightToTheFinish "Flight to the Finish"]]: |
| 119 | ** The episode in general. On one side of the coin, we have fans who are happy Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo got some bonding throughout the episode, and like [[AnAesop the moral]] of [[BeYourself the story]]. On the other side, some believed what made earlier [=CMC=] episodes was lost, claiming that the episode pacing was off and the plot involving Scootaloo's flying issues didn't live up to its full potential. |
| 120 | ** While most of Scootaloo's home life isn't explored, this episode finally proves she isn't homeless. Some are pleased by this development, others find it ruins their head-canon. |
| 121 | ** After seeing Scootaloo struggle to get flying (as well as future episodes which had her implicitly wish she could fly), some fans were hopeful that she would eventually fly, and others were hopeful that she wouldn't, holding her up as a role model for people with disabilities (some fans in the latter camp having disabilities of their own). |
| 122 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E6PowerPonies "Power Ponies"]]: |
| 123 | ** Many people really enjoy the episode for all the shenanigans that ensue as a result of the Mane 6 being superheroes. But there are also many people who dislike it for various reasons, such as the gimmicky concept, the excessive {{Exposition}}, and the poor explanation for the comic book being magic. |
| 124 | ** [[FanNickname Flutterhulk]]. It's one of the more praised aspects of this episode, yet one of the most criticized. Some loved the juxtaposition of timid, adorable Fluttershy and The Hulk. Yet there were others who lambasted the design as well as her trigger. |
| 125 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E7Bats "Bats!"]]: |
| 126 | ** Was Applejack in the right for wanting to stop the bats or was Fluttershy right for wanting to find an alternate route? Fans seem split on either option, especially since [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot that plot point was quickly dropped]] in favor of a potentially better one. Fans are split on that as well, half wanting to see that plot be fully developed while the other would rather they do the Flutterbat plot. |
| 127 | ** As for the episode itself: was it a funny and weird little romp with a cool transformation, or was it a silly and ridiculous, idiotic episode that seemed ripped from a fanfic? |
| 128 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E9PinkieApplePie "Pinkie Apple Pie"]]: |
| 129 | ** Apple Bloom sing-songing something similar to Creator/TaraStrong's "Twilightlicious" video popularized by the fandom has set some into "They're pandering to us!" mode, while others like it or are ambivalent to whether it's pandering or not. |
| 130 | ** Goldie's [[CrazyCatLady hoarding]] is played noticeably straight, as is her animal abuse (via neglect, not physical abuse). This gets a negative reaction from some who think it's PlayedForLaughs, while others find it genuinely amusing. There's also the camp who [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste view it completely straight]], since the whole Apple family is visibly shaken by the sight. |
| 131 | * For [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E10RainbowFalls "Rainbow Falls"]], many feel Rainbow Dash was in the right for wanting to go with a team that didn't downright sabotage their own chances at winning by picking not only non-athletes, but ponies that are handicapped at flying. As we were shown in previous episodes, friends are understanding, it's likely they would have understood it was really important for Rainbow Dash to be in the Equestria Games. Instead, Twilight tells her the very opposite, that she would offend all of her friends for doing so (Granted, it's shown that Bulk Biceps and Fluttershy would gladly respect Rainbow Dash's choice and Twilight did allow Rainbow Dash to make her own choice). It's only after that we are shown the Wonderbolts to be truly despicable.\ |
| 132 | On the other side, Rainbow made a commitment to the Ponyville team and shouldn't decide to switch to a better team just because she doesn't like her chances. Since we are shown that winning isn't of paramount importance to Rainbow (considering she agreed to Bulk Biceps and Fluttershy in the first place, on top of passing on the chance to join), and since trying to win at the expense of others is a dick move, as established in ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E7WonderboltsAcademy Wonderbolts Academy]]'', there's no good reason for Rainbow to join the Cloudsdale team. |
| 133 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E11ThreesACrowd "Three's a Crowd"]]: |
| 134 | ** [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls Flash Sentry]] appears for a brief non-speaking cameo. A good fraction of the fandom suddenly cry foul, speaking to the "[[LyingCreator lies]]" of Meghan [=McCarthy=] who said Flash wouldn't appear in Season 4, thinking now that the movie is now canonized (though the movie was already confirmed to be canon a while ago, it would just have no bearing on Season 4), and ruining the episode completely. Most fortunately laughed and enjoyed the appearance. [[https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2014/1/25/534070__safe_flash+sentry_twitter.png According to Jim Miller, his appearance was just a nod]]. |
| 135 | ** [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere Rainbow Dash quickly ditching her friends when Discord needed help]]. RuleOfFunny or Dash being a {{Jerkass}} who has forgotten her loyalty aesop from the last episode? |
| 136 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E13SimpleWays "Simple Ways"]], for focusing on romance. Some don't like it because they feel it violates Creator/LaurenFaust's stated intention of the show being NoHuggingNoKissing[[note]]Even though, despite this being her intention, it was never true of the actual show, since Rarity was interested in romance right from the start[[/note]]. Others don't mind since it illustrates the general "BeYourself" moral well. Still others consider it a non-issue due to RuleOfFunny. |
| 137 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E14FilliVanilli "Filli Vanilli"]]: |
| 138 | ** Pinkie's [[InnocentlyInsensitive insensitivity]] towards Fluttershy. Pinkie's behavior has been a point of discussion whether in character, completely out of character, consistent with past Pinkie characterization (eg: "Griffon the Brush Off" shows a Pinkie much more sympathetic to Fluttershy's fragile nature), or even the fact that Fluttershy effectively does the same to Rainbow Dash in "Sonic Rainboom". |
| 139 | ** ''Find The Music In You'' is either an amazing work of quartet singing, or the same sort of lazy writing on par with ''Firework'', ''Born This Way'', and ''Fight Song.'' |
| 140 | * Applejack's overprotective behaviour in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E17SomeponyToWatchOverMe "Somepony to Watch Over Me"]]. Some think it's hilarious and made the episode more amusing, others found it annoying and the episode's biggest problem. |
| 141 | * There appears to be two camps in regards to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E21LeapOfFaith "Leap of Faith"]]. There's one camp that likes this episode because of its strong moral, the genuine chemistry dynamics between the Apple family, and an real moral dilemma on Applejack's part, while the other camp dislikes it because it wastes a golden opportunity for real character growth for Flim and Flam and that the start of the episode feels rather cliched until Applejack starts to have her dilemma. |
| 142 | * Before [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E22TestingTesting123 "Testing Testing 1, 2, 3"]] was released, the preview clip of Pinkie Pie's [[ThemeTuneRap rap song]] split the fanbase into two camps: those who thought of it as harmless, silly fun and no better or worse than any other song on the show; and those who thought the very idea screams TotallyRadical and a dearth of ideas on the writers' part, with Vinyl Scratch thrown in as a half-hearted attempt at pandering. The line was blurred somewhat when the episode came out and showed the rap is a very clear case of StylisticSuck, especially given the animators went the extra mile to give the visuals during the song a {{Retraux}} look of something from a late-80s/early-90s VHS tape (with scan lines, semi-blurry quality, and presenting the scene in a 4:3 aspect ratio as opposed to widescreen). |
| 143 | * Even before [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E23InspirationManifestation "Inspiration Manifestation"]] aired, there was some conflict between those who ship Spike/Rarity and were hoping for more ShipTease and those who don't. WordOfGod weighed in at a [=BABScon=] 2014 panel that them being together ''at this time'' isn't appropriate because of his VagueAge, though fans have called foul. |
| 144 | * The infamous Cloudsdale Anthem scene in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E24EquestriaGames "Equestria Games"]]: A SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}}, a painfully cringe-inducing, or a CringeComedy. |
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| 147 | [[folder:Season 5]] |
| 148 | * While reception to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E2TheCutieMapPart2 "The Cutie Map - Part 2"]] has been mostly positive, some viewers have taken offense to it, claiming that it [[RetCon completely rewrote]] the established rules and lore about cutie marks (with the fact that one of the episode's writers was [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E13MagicalMysteryCure M. A. Larson]] not helping this matter at all). |
| 149 | ** The two parter as a whole. Many people praise it for its mature themes and [[UnexpectedlyDarkEpisode dark subject matter]], while others think it's too ambitious and overly simplified for its own good. |
| 150 | * The TooManyCooksSpoilTheSoup aspect of the Mane 6 redecorating Twilight's castle in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E3CastleSweetCastle "Castle Sweet Castle"]]. While some fans either liked it or didn't mind it due to the lesson that is being taught, others have criticized it for having the rest of the Mane 6 [[IdiotBall come off as idiots]] who have no idea of what Twilight is interested in (despite knowing her for four seasons) and instead decorate the castle based on their own preferences. |
| 151 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E4BloomAndGloom "Bloom & Gloom"]]: |
| 152 | ** Was the episode a great in-depth look at the actual fears that ponies may have in terms of finally receiving their Cutie Marks, or does it fall victim to a painfully predictable plot (admit it, you knew Luna was going to show up and save Apple Bloom from her nightmare) that doesn't really do anything to make up for it? |
| 153 | ** This episode also caused a rift between fans due to Babs Seed getting her cutie mark. She had only appeared twice in the show before, both in the third season, with defenders saying the time was right for her while opponents claim they should have explored her crusading in Manehattan more. Fans are also divided on how she got one with little fanfare with some fans saying it was just the episode's way of her getting one. Fans who weren't happy bring up a Zipporwhill, a filly no one had ever seen before, getting her cuteceañera as a plot excuse in "Filli Vanilli". |
| 154 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E5TanksForTheMemories "Tanks for the Memories"]]: |
| 155 | ** Some love the episode for the emotional moments and comedy, others hate it for Rainbow Dash acting irresponsible and [[JerkassBall mean]] in her efforts to stop winter, while still others are a mixture of both. |
| 156 | ** Rainbow Dash's song. Fans who loved it thought it was a treat to finally hear a solo song from Rainbow Dash and [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic such an awesome one to boot]]. On the other hand, fans thought the lyrics about Rainbow intentionally preventing winter were unsettling and that Ashleigh Ball's singing could have been put to better use. |
| 157 | ** The nature of the episode, as it's apparently a story about coming to grips with the death of a pet that evokes NeverSayDie and instead [[HibernationMigrationSituation focuses on a hibernation]]. Some feel that Rainbow Dash is being an unsympathetic whiner who can't handle her pet being gone for a couple months which {{Narm}}s the story up too much to justify her sadness and desperation. Others feel that it's absolutely in character for Rainbow Dash to overreact that much, and that it's heartwarming and/or funny that she's so attached to her pet that being away from him for only a few months is as heartbreaking to her as a death. Other people don't see it as an allegory for death at all, but rather for loss in general, such as a friend moving away. |
| 158 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E8TheLostTreasureOfGriffonstone "The Lost Treasure of Griffonstone"]]: |
| 159 | ** Re-introducing Gilda and making her a more likable character is this for some fans. While a majority really does like her return and gave her a huge [[TookALevelInKindness character change]], there are still a small number of fans [[NeverLiveItDown that still won't forgive her]] for [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E5GriffonTheBrushOff yelling at Fluttershy and making her cry]]. |
| 160 | ** The ending seems to throw off a lot of people, due to Griffonstone ''still being in disarray'' and having no king. Never the less, some are okay with the ending considering how Gilda's going to probably help the Griffon Kingdom become more friendlier and less selfish. |
| 161 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E9SliceOfLife "Slice of Life"]]: |
| 162 | ** The fact that this episode canonizes several background characters, whose popularity has been the fandom's [[EnsembleDarkhorse most iconic feature]] for four years. Some have their {{fanon}} personalities, while [[{{Jossed}} others toss such notions aside]]. Some fans have also complained that an episode about the backgrounders is PanderingToTheBase, while others agree that that's exactly what it is but [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools don't see it as a problem]]. |
| 163 | ** Also, while it was surprisingly easy on wider fanon about the characters, there's still some debate: Lyra and Bon Bon referring to each other as "best friends" over and over while [[https://derpiboo.ru/916280 being very touchy-feely]] and [[https://derpiboo.ru/916134 making half-lidded expressions at each other]] the whole time, then arguing LikeAnOldMarriedCouple, then going right back to touching and making eyes at each other as they reaffirm their "friendship" is either epic ShipSinking or epic ship confirmation. And if it's ShipSinking, then either all is Ruined FOREVER, or they're clearly [[HeterosexualLifePartners so very close]] and [[HomoeroticSubtext near-romantic]] that romance is ''nigh,'' and FanWorks will continue just as before. Or, you prefer them as friends and ''want'' this to be ShipSinking. |
| 164 | ** And then there's the matter of voices and whether or not you thought each SuddenlySpeaking character got an appropriate one. As for a certain DJ, either her status as TheVoiceless[=/=]TheSpeechless (derived from her EQG counterpart) -- whichever you believe her to be -- is either an interesting touch that adds to her character, or it isn't and it just feels like a cop-out. |
| 165 | ** While some fans are happy to have an episode staring the background characters, others are upset that that they picked the 100th episode to do it on instead of focusing on the Mane Six, the Cuite Mark Crusaders, and Spike. |
| 166 | ** The [[FreezeFrameBonus blink-and-you-miss-it]] VisualPun of Vinyl Scratch's turntable booth [[JumpingTheShark jumping over a toy shark]]. Hilarious SelfDeprecation by the show's staff or an in-your-face stab at fans who prefer the earlier seasons? |
| 167 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E13DoPrincessesDreamOfMagicSheep "Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?"]]: |
| 168 | ** There's some debate over which is better: this episode, or the Nightmare Arc of the [=IDW=] comics, since both tackled Luna's insecurities which end up nearly bringing destruction to Equestria. The comic was more focused on the Nightmare Forces and Nightmare Rarity than Luna, yet it brought a face to Nightmare Moon and had Luna confronting her fear more directly. This episode has Luna in a more passive role for the climax that makes it feel more scaled down, but the focus was kept on Luna's character, and the Tantabus being a personification of [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone her guilt]] rather than the force that made her Nightmare Moon adds to Luna's status as TheAtoner. |
| 169 | ** Is Luna's guilt throughout {{Narm}}? Or entirely understandable given the situation she's in? |
| 170 | ** Was Luna creating the Tantabus to punish herself justifiable given the harm she could have caused as Nightmare Moon? Or did Nightmare [[InformedAttribute fail to do or show anything that would warrant such]]?[[note]]Her fight with Celestia was over before Nightmare did anything worse than briefly KO her. The BadFuture where Nightmare ruled looked the least-worst off of them and [[NoEndorHolocaust showed none of the apocalypse eternal night would bring]]. Only in the LooseCanon comics [[ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic does she successfully do anything that would warrant such]].[[/note]] Is the resolution powerful and appropriate? Or was it [[AngstAversion unreasonably quick in dealing with serious self-destructive issues]]. |
| 171 | * The treatment of the large pony at the end of [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E14CanterlotBoutique "Canterlot Boutique"]] is divided between those who thought it was hilarious and those who saw it as fat-shaming. |
| 172 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E16RarityInvestigates "Rarity Investigates"]]: |
| 173 | ** The episode split people down the middle between those who thought that the solution to the mystery was so blatantly obvious that it ruins the episode and people who claim that the mystery wasn't the point to begin with and that Rarity and Rainbow Dash's interactions were the important part of the episode. |
| 174 | ** Rarity's "interrogation" techniques on the royal guards. Fans thought they were either the funniest part about the show or that they were too sexy for a show aimed at little girls. |
| 175 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E18BrotherhoovesSocial "Brotherhooves Social"]]: The whole concept of Big Macintosh [[WholesomeCrossdresser taking part in the Sisterhooves Social by attempting to disguise himself as a mare]] is either hilarious, or too cringeworthy. The fanbase is also split over whether the whole plot has a positive message about accepting crossdressers and trans people, is offensive and in bad taste, and those who feel that the episode really wasn't about any of that anyway since Big Macintosh only dressed in drag as part of a disguise. |
| 176 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E25TheCutieRemarkPart1 "The Cutie]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E26TheCutieRemarkPart2 Re-Mark"]] gets this in spades along with ToughActToFollow. You either love it for its unique and different take on My Little Pony 2-parters, the return cameos of previous villains (with King Sombra in particular getting RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap), and the imagery and atmosphere of the different alternate realities, or you dislike it for the lack of buildup, lack of action and stakes, and the fact that the Mane Six besides Twilight and several other characters are DemotedToExtra or out of focus entirely. Then there's Starlight Glimmer (mentioned further down the page). Her [[FreudianExcuse backstory]], [[VillainDecay decline]] from a manipulative SmugSnake KnightTemplar to petty [[RevengeBeforeReason one-track-minded minded]] revenge villain, and her very sudden and very [[GoodTimesMontage quick]] HeelFaceTurn in the end, which may come off as either heartwarming or cliched and tiresome. |
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| 180 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E6NoSecondPrances No Second Prances]]" may be the series record for how many different bases it shattered regarding character portrayals, the tone of the episode, and the morality and intentions of certain characters. |
| 181 | ** Twilight Sparkle was subject to much controversy regarding her behavior and the consequences that came from it. Some fans say Twilight had good, realistic intentions regarding Starlight as a teacher regarding her pupil, while the more harsher critics out Twilight as a massive {{Hypocrite}} who put her petty rivalry with Trixie over her student actually making progress and friends, to the point where she is [[RonTheDeathEater outright called]] the ''villain'' of the episode, and think she was let off the hook ''way'' too easily. This also sparked debates and questions regarding Twilight's morality and title. Critics call Twilight a poor excuse of a teacher who needs to relearn her Friendship Lessons, with the extreme critics even calling her downright [[RonTheDeathEater evil]], while the more sympathetic groups believe it's a simple [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools use]] of AesopAmnesia and a realistic portrayal of flaws for the Princess of Friendship by the writers, and say it's a welcome change. |
| 182 | ** Trixie's return, and the cameos from Derpy and DJ-[=Pon3=], sparked complaints of pandering. Others just liked seeing the characters again. |
| 183 | ** Twilight not wanting Starlight to befriend Trixie. While some fans feel that her behavior is justified due to Trixie's [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E6BoastBusters past]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E5MagicDuel appearances]] and how antagonistic Trixie was upon meeting Twilight in the castle, others felt that it went against Twilight's role of being the "Princess of Friendship", ruining the episode for them. Others see it as at worst a minor bad judgment call from Twilight that was perfectly in character, while others jump to the deep end of thinking she needs to relearn her friendship lessons. |
| 184 | ** This episode sparked a new debate. After Season Five, there were complaints that former villains were forgiven too easily, now there's a new argument that how far must a former villain be ''rejected'' for their former actions. Some think this episode went a little too far to the other side of the spectrum, that the "heroic" character becomes a judgmental and hypocritical KnightTemplar and a DesignatedHero, especially considering Trixie ''already'' made peace with Twilight at the end of ''Magic Duel'' and how she was hardly ever much of a villain to begin with. |
| 185 | ** Starlight's portrayal continues to be a bit of a crowd divider. Some were symphathetic about Starlight struggling to fit in with her magical powers while lacking in social skills, and were also glad that she wasn't simply being mopey all the time like in the season premiere. Some felt that since this was done at the expense of bringing in characters to the story just to portray them either as uncharacteristically or [[JerkassBall as unfavorably as possible]], [[CharacterShilling the narrative was going out its way to make Starlight look good]]. Others on the other hand felt that the absurdly skilled neurotic wizard without social skills niche had already been done with Twilight a few seasons ago. |
| 186 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E7NewbieDash Newbie Dash]]": |
| 187 | ** As per usual for the fandom, there are camps about the Wonderbolts' behavior during the episode: |
| 188 | *** One group thought that their treatment of Dash was unnecessarily petty (it doesn't help that the nickname they gave her is the same one that her childhood bullies came up with) and that their constant insults were childish and unprofessional. Another group notes that hazing the newbie is a pretty standard tradition in nearly any sort of team-based activity (especially as every other member of the Wonderbolts had been through it too). The Wonderbolts also [[PoorCommunicationKills weren't aware of all the emotional baggage]] that the nickname had for Rainbow Dash. A third camp is of the opinion that the hazing the newbie tradition works, but the fact [[PoorCommunicationKills no one bothered to explain (or even try to explain) the tradition to Rainbow]] until the very end (not even Soarin or Spitfire, who Rainbow is personal friends with) when she brings it up made them look more jerkish than they needed to be. Course Rainbow didn't bother to tell any of them how much it bothered her even when one tried to comfort her about her performance, or ask at all about the other's nicknames. A fourth camp feels the Wonderbolts' actions would have been fine on their own, but their repeated instances of questionable behavior in previous episodes causes a problem by not providing enough of a contrast with the nicknames to make it come off as friendly instead of them being jerks. |
| 189 | ** After five seasons of build up, Dash finally gets to be a Wonderbolt and achieve her dream... and it's devoted to her getting [[EmbarrassingNickname a bad nickname]] and trying to deal with it. On top of that, the completion of her dream happens in the lead-in to the show. Some feel it's a good episode, as it reflects the first experiences of a lot of people in this type of work; others feel it's a waste of the episode where Rainbow ''finally'' reaches her dreams and a lot more could have been done with it. This includes some who liked the episode and found it SoOkayItsAverage. |
| 190 | ** Rainbow Dash's impressions of her five best friends became a real sticking point among the fans. Some say that it was a disrespectful and embarrassing moment that brought down the episode while others say it was a very adorable moment that shows how talented she is at mimicking the other five ponies of the mane six. |
| 191 | ** The fact that Starlight Glimmer is mysteriously missing from the episode without any mention or any explanation has rattled a couple cages. Some claim she is irrelevant to the plot, but then at the same time, the other group contend that there was nothing stopping her from showing up in the crowd or in the background, and think it's awfully jarring for a character considered by some people to be the SixthRanger to just disappear from existence. |
| 192 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E8AHearthsWarmingTail A Hearth's Warming Tail]]": On the one hand, the episode did partially WinBackTheCrowd after the previous two episodes were received badly. On the other hand, some people thought it was problematic that Starlight was meant to be in the wrong for not celebrating [[YouMeanXmas Hearth's Warming]]. Other people have defended that aspect by saying that Twilight was just trying to push Starlight out of her comfort zone, and that in-universe it makes sense due to the story of Hearth's Warming being part of keeping away the [[EmotionEater Windigoes]]. |
| 193 | * Applejack's characterization in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E11ApplejacksDayOff Applejack's Day Off]]". While she's normally very competent and efficient (as shown in the spa), some fans complain that her ComplexityAddiction about her works in the farm is {{out of character|Moment}}. Others find it funny. |
| 194 | * Rarity's characterization in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E13SpiceUpYourLife Spice Up Your Life]]". Some fans complain that she seems to have [[AesopAmnesia forgotten the lesson]] from "Canterlot Boutique" and conforms the restaurant too easily to Zesty Gourmand's standard. Others, in her defense, say that Rarity is not a chef and she only knows what works in Canterlot (indeed Pinkie found only two customers with her ''different'' approach), so she acted in good faith to save the restaurant. |
| 195 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E16TwentyEightPranksLater 28 Pranks Later]]": |
| 196 | ** Is this episode a vast improvement over "The Mysterious Mare Do Well" that addresses and fixes/avoids the problems of the former? Or is it just as bad as that episode, if not ''worse''? It doesn't help that just like that episode and several other less popular ones, it's the writer's first script for the show (though at least the story concept is from Meghan [=McCarthy=]). |
| 197 | ** The problem ultimately lies with the handling of Rainbow Dash's character. While those who liked the episode liked that it didn't repeat the same problems that plagued MMDW, its detractors didn't like that it came at the cost of Dash holding the JerkassBall, especially since [[TookALevelInKindness her jerkish behavior had been toned down]] since Season 2. As a result, many feel this episode would have worked much better as a Season 1/2 episode instead. |
| 198 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E17TheTimesTheyAreAChangeling The Times They Are A Changeling]]": |
| 199 | ** Spike's musical number. Some think it was SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic and a ''major'' step-up from his failure of the Cloudsdale anthem in "Equestria Games", while others thought it was cringe-worthy, largely unnecessary and some even consider it to be an AntiClimax. |
| 200 | ** Everypony's [[FantasticRacism vehemence that a changeling can't be good]], as well as their hostility and panic in regards to Thorax, can seem painfully excessive to some viewers, especially considering the well-known reformations of villains like Starlight Glimmer and Discord. On the other hand, Shining Armor and Cadance in particular have pretty good reasons to feel the way they do considering their last encounter with changelings, so other viewers argue their reactions are realistic. In direct contrast, the [[AntiClimax anti-climactic]] ending has many viewers wondering if the ponies fully accepting Thorax (to the point that Cadance ''brings Flurry Heart right under his nose'') after nothing but a quick song was in any way reasonable. Others feel that having ''both'' Spike "The Brave and Glorious" and Twilight "The Princess of Friendship" being willing to give Thorax a chance carried enough influence to have it make sense, especially for Cadance and Shining Armor due to their own past experience and Twilight being family. |
| 201 | * The idea of Starlight using mind control magic on the Mane 5 in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E21EveryLittleThingSheDoes Every Little Thing She Does]]". Some people feel that they can understand her doing this due to her problems with making friends with others and are willing to let it go for the [[HilarityEnsues fun stuff that results]] and the fact that Starlight isn't being malicious about it, and like that the others were actually openly angry with her and she had to WORK to get them to forgive her. To others, this (and how she's EasilyForgiven for this after she apologizes for it) only adds more hate fuel to somepony who is already a BaseBreakingCharacter even before this episode aired. A THIRD camp likes it for showing a bit of Starlight's pre-HeelFaceTurn personality, which they felt was lacking, and showing she didn't do a complete 180 and has parts of her old self she still needs to overcome, or rather, allowing the new, good version of Starlight [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools to have some character flaws to work on]], just as a student is expected to have. There's a fourth camp that just found the whole thing funny and enjoyed the episode. |
| 202 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E25ToWhereAndBackAgainPart1 To Where and]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E26ToWhereAndBackAgainPart2 Back Again]]": |
| 203 | ** The episode's premise, in which [[BaseBreakingCharacter Starlight Glimmer]] leads a group of reformed villains to save the Mane Six and the Royal Family from Chrysalis, inevitably led to this. However, the fact that some of the most powerful ponies in Equestria [[TheWorfEffect are easily defeated by changeling drones instead of Chrysalis herself]] also didn't sit well, but it is provided a possible explanation in the very next episode and the reasoning behind it even ties into the main plot. |
| 204 | ** Some people felt that almost everyone of importance in Equestria [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot being dealt with by the changelings offscreen with such ease and without a proper explanation]] seems awfully convenient for the plot, since it's the main reason Starlight and her squad ''have to be'' the ones to save the day. Some have suggested they could have chipped off small chunks of Chrysalis' throne to use in subduing the kidnappees; like an Equestrian krypronite. Others have pointed out that this in turn presents the question of [[FridgeLogic why don't they carry pieces of the throne with them all the time,]] if it is able to [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] your enemies so easily. With instant null powers, they wouldn't even need the whole infiltration thing. In essence, it feels like a cop-out that the reason for the whole adventure is that they just already had them captured offscreen, and it reduces the rest of the cast (the Mane Six especially) in many people's eyes. Some have said it would reduce them ''if'' they were shown being kidnapped by normal changelings, but it has been also pointed out that the entire plot reduces them regardless, so showing it or not wouldn't change the issue. |
| 205 | [[/folder]] |
| 206 | |
| 207 | [[folder:Season 7]] |
| 208 | * For "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E1CelestialAdvice Celestial Advice]]" |
| 209 | ** Many were skeptical about Starlight having earned a graduation so soon, after the things she did in the last season and having only one big adventure under her belt. Since it actually [[StatusQuoIsGod didn't end up changing much]] about Starlight's story compared to her status from the previous season, a lot of people are accusing the whole "graduation" and everything leading up to it being there effectively just as an opportunity to [[CharacterShilling praise Starlight]], not helped by how the story isn't at all subtle about how awesome Twilight thinks Starlight is. |
| 210 | ** Some people got worried about Celestia's in-passing mention of letting a student "spread her wings" being an obvious foreshadowing of Starlight ascending to alicornhood somewhere along the line (and they felt this was a bad thing because they thought that would make Starlight overpowered or cause there to be too many alicorns). Others feel that a lot of it is just unnecessary doomsaying, since, for the most part, everything stayed the same and Celestia's take on the issue made the whole story a lot more meaningful. At the end of it all, the episode was just that: mostly harmless. |
| 211 | ** Another point of contention is that there was a lot of buzz and buildup over the concept of Starlight leaving Ponyville and thus [[PutOnABus the main cast.]] Fans were split over whether or not she should stay or go and arguments were raised for both sides. In the end, Starlight's decision to stay further angered fans because at that point, many didn't see why the writers were pretending she was going to leave in the first place. |
| 212 | * The Mane Six's [[{{Pride}} overall]] characterization in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E2AllBottledUp All Bottled Up]]". With the rate they have constantly talked about their friendship, The Mane 6 came off as less cute and heartwarming and more arrogant, with the more extreme critics saying as if they're mocking the audience for not having the best and most true friendship around like them (or in worst cases, having no friends at all). Some were definitely annoyed by it, and thought it was out of line for a group that was otherwise seen as very [[HumbleHero humble]] (though Rainbow Dash has had her arrogant moments in the past), while others don't see an issue and were appreciative of the deconstruction of the show's protagonists, [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools giving them real flaws to learn a lesson]], and were quick to point out that [[SelfParody this was deliberate]], as the Mane Six also suffer a BreakTheHaughty moment when they fail to beat the room puzzle record, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero due to that same hubris]]. Even that is up for debate, as some people aren't fond of the fact that these characters they've followed for the past 6 seasons suddenly gained a newly shared character flaw that wasn't there prior (or in the case of some of the characters, should have died out early on). |
| 213 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E3AFlurryOfEmotions A Flurry of Emotions]]" has the scene where Twilight yells at Flurry Heart. Many proclaim that she was in the right to do so as Flurry did place the sick foals and hospital staff in jeopardy, and that Twilight shifting the blame onto herself completely excuses Flurry Heart's behaviour. However others are quick to remind them that it technically was Twilight's fault as she was tasked with looking after Flurry Heart and ended up barely paying her any attention all day. |
| 214 | * For "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E4RockSolidFriendship Rock Solid Friendship]]", some fans are disappointed that Maud befriended Starlight rather than one of the other Mane Five like Rarity (using as example a Friends Forever issue) because of their interest in "minerals". From the other side, it's pointed that Rarity has already been shown not to be able to get along with her in "The Gift of the Maud Pie", and their Friends Forever issue was more about them understanding and working together. |
| 215 | * While "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E7ParentalGlideance Parental Glideance]]" was broadly well-received, there was a noticeable split in whether fans thought it was really good or really bad. |
| 216 | ** On the one hand, many fans thought the episode did an excellent job delivering its moral and that it was one of the Wonderbolts' most genuinely likable portrayals so far, and found Windy Whistles and Bow Hothoof lovable, interesting characters and genuinely felt for them when Rainbow snapped at them. Many were also of the opinion that this episode did an excellent job of expanding on Scootaloo’s characterization and using her relationship with Rainbow and her parents to highlight the need for supportive people in one’s life. |
| 217 | ** On the other hand, other fans thought that Rainbow’s parents’ behavior — such as their loudness and attention-grabbing visibly getting in the way of others enjoying the Wonderbolt show or getting autographs and at the end in the way of Cheerilee actually teaching her class, and also their shooting live fireworks at an air show — was disruptive and socially inappropriate, and thought that their encouragement was overbearing and suitable for encouraging a young child, not a professional athlete. As such, they thought that Rainbow had genuine reasons to feel [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents humiliated]] and were upset the ending glossed over these things. In short the extremes her parents went to got in the way of the moral.[[note]] It doesn't help that rival cartoon show ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' [[Recap/StevenUniverseS2E20SadiesSong actually had a similar episode about over-enthusiastic parents where it was portrayed as a bad trait that got in the way of the kid being able to enjoy what they were doing.]] [[/note]] |
| 218 | * Even disregarding the whole ShipToShipCombat element, there's some debate as to whether the whole conflict in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E8HardToSayAnything Hard to Say Anything]]" was actually pulled off well enough, and if nearly the entire episode being CringeComedy was justified. |
| 219 | ** Including the shipping part of "Hard To Say Anything" however, was Sugar Belle really the best choice for Big Mac? Or is she just too stale of a character to really get invested in their three Season subplot? This is a minor one mind you, as most fans think she is the best choice for Mac, but for the fans who think she isn't, their alternatives vary. Should they have just stuck with Marble Pie as his love? Or was including actual romance in this show a stupid decision from the start? |
| 220 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E9HonestApple Honest Apple]]": Some people enjoyed the episode for its moral about opinions and how sometimes BrutalHonesty is not the way to go (especially towards those involved in the arts). Others were turned off by Rarity asking Applejack to judge a fashion show, Applejack holding the JerkassBall in terms of her judging, and Rarity's solution to have Applejack learn her lesson being having her confront someone who [[DoesNotLikeSpam doesn't like apples]], plus the whole "Everyone Wins" ending. |
| 221 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E10ARoyalProblem A Royal Problem]]": |
| 222 | ** Starlight Glimmer again. |
| 223 | *** Her role in the episode. Some felt that she was largely unnecessary for the plot and that the exact same story could have been done better if it had devoted the full attention to the royal sisters. Others felt that Starlight was not only a necessary catalyst for the episode, but that the majority of the events hinged on the princesses flung into FishOutOfWater scenarios with Starlight running around trying to keep everything together. |
| 224 | *** Another problem with Starlight's involvement is that her temper getting the better of her and her resorting to magic as an out from the problem has been a recurring theme in her episodes. Here not only did that happen, but she used magic to switch the Princess' cutie marks, ''the exact same type of magic she used when she was evil''. Cue cries that Starlight ''[[AesopAmnesia has really not learned her lesson after all this time]]''. Defenders, however, point out that Starlight tried to approach the problem rationally and peacefully and only resorted to magic when the Princesses were shouting in each other's faces, and she seriously regretted her decision and had a nightmare about the consequences of it going badly, showing she has indeed grown. |
| 225 | ** Twilight's role in the episode, funny or cringe-worthy? |
| 226 | ** The fact it took ''7 seasons'' for Celestia to ''finally'' get an episode has also proved divisive. One side doesn't mind it, while the other side wishes it happened much sooner. Compare that to Luna, who got an episode as early as ''season 2''. |
| 227 | * How much people liked "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E12DiscordantHarmony Discordant Harmony]]" is largely dependent on how much they're amused by Discord's harmless antics. For those unamused, it's an episode about a fairly boring man getting ready for a tea party. |
| 228 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E13ThePerfectPear The Perfect Pear]]": |
| 229 | ** While the episode was met with near-universal positive reception, and it all but outright says that Bright Mac and Pear Butter are dead (confirming years of fan theories and subtle hints), the details of their deaths were intentionally left out. Some fans saw this as a wasted opportunity to build character for multiple Apple family members, while some didn't mind the details being left out and focused on the romance between Bright Mac and Pear Butter. Still, others refuse to believe that Pear Butter and Bright Mac are dead, insisting they're alive since the episode doesn't outright say "they're dead." This led to some debate over whether all the clues about Pear Butter and Bright Mac's fate say that they're dead, or that they're [[HesJustHiding just missing with their fate currently unknown]]. |
| 230 | ** Some didn't care for the episode for being a typical StarCrossedLovers ala ''Romeo and Juliet'', feeling that such a tired and cliched plot is an unfulfilling payoff to finally seeing the Apple parents and learning how they fell in love. Others didn't mind the plotline and felt the episode's other merits outweighed any tiredness of the idea. |
| 231 | * With "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E14FameAndMisfortune Fame and Misfortune]]", this was inevitable considering it's a giant TakeThatAudience at the brony community. Some find the episode to be a fun jab at obsessive fans and necessary Aesop, others see it as the writers being petulant over legitimate criticism the show has received -- especially where the Mane 6's characterization is concerned. [[TakeAThirdOption A third group]] doesn't mind the episode's subject matter, but rather judge the episode as an actual episode, and found the Mane Six's treatment to be a bit too mean-spirited and the entirety of Ponyville to be more than a little unsympathetic. Yet ''another'' group argues that the background ponies are at the mercy of the writers and animators, and that the whole experience will blow right over by the next episode. |
| 232 | ** The episode itself. Is "Fame And Misfortune" a hilarious meta lampoon at itself as well as the fandom with great jokes and lines and an awesome song, or is it a bad episode with a [[CluelessAesop confusing]] (and at times contradictory) moral, that could've benefitted from a re-write or two? |
| 233 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E19ToChangeAChangeling To Change a Changeling]]": Given the divisive nature of the transformed Changelings, this is inevitable; those who found the whole business hokey and {{narm}}y (or just don't like the new designs) aren't keen on being force-fed a second helping, while others are happy to have Thorax back and eager to see how this plays out. In addition, the fact that this is yet another Starlight-centric episode has annoyed fans who believe Spike should have this role since he was Thorax's first friend, while others counter that Starlight helped Thorax to transform and thus has a stake in the fate of the Changelings and belongs here. |
| 234 | * Iron Will's portrayal in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E21OnceUponAZeppelin Once Upon a Zeppelin]]". Fans either loved him for his funny moments... or didn't take too kindly to his TookALevelInJerkass portrayal (when he was originally a sympathetic DesignatedVillain). Whether or not he was a DesignatedVillain the second time around also managed to be a point of debate: some agreed with Iron Will in that he ''did'' clearly outline the terms of them accepting the cruise in his contract ([[ReadTheFinePrint Twilight's parents simply didn't read the contract]]) and that he wasn't wrong for expecting them to keep their end of the bargain, while others felt contract or not he was being a pushy scam artist capitalizing off of Twilight's fame and status. |
| 235 | * Rumble's argument in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E22MarksAndRecreation Marks and Recreation]]" that Apple Bloom hasn't experimented with potions in a while is either a legitimate counterargument or a Strawman Fallacy that would have easily been cleared up by Rumble talking to Twilight or Zecora to confirm that Apple Bloom has been successful at it in the past. |
| 236 | * "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]", while being generally well-received, also had its detractors, with some saying that Starswirl the Bearded was portrayed too [[{{Jerkass}} unsympathetically]], the other Pillars didn't get [[FlatCharacter enough development]] and the villain didn't really [[DesignatedVillain do anything to make him a real threat]]. There's also the fact that the Pillars being single-handedly responsible for the creation of the Elements of Harmony didn't sit well with everyone, who thought that it removed the mystery around the Elements. However, most people enjoyed it for expanding the lore and because we finally got to see Starswirl the Bearded in the actual show. While not everyone was on board with the Pony of Shadows as a villain, most people will agree that [[AntiVillain Stygian]] as a character himself was handled well. |
| 237 | ** Another point of argument is about whether the episode tries to do too much and becomes more style over substance, or did just enough to keep the story flowing smoothly. Defenders point out that the characters still make plenty of contributions to the overall story, no matter how minor. Detractors think that it put so much focus on lore and worldbuilding and themes that it doesn't put enough focus on actually developing the characters and message, which is often the main draw for many people to the series. |
| 238 | [[/folder]] |
| 239 | |
| 240 | [[folder:Season 8]] |
| 241 | * The season 8 premiere "School Daze" has divided the fan base for the following reasons: |
| 242 | ** The start of the episode established that it takes place after [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 the movie]], but uses it only for a catalyst and not the main plot. It either works well enough so that people don't get confused [[note]]There's also how it would be hard to hire back the celebrity voice actors [[/note]], or there are those who wanted it to directly continue from the movie due to some of the dangling plot threads. There's also those who wanted a continuation of the season 7 finale. |
| 243 | ** There's also the matter of opening the School Of Friendship. One side doesn't mind it while the other side thinks it's gimmicky. There's also the handling of the subject matter, directly going against the education system and promoting multi species assimilation. One side thinks it's a bold, mature move, while the other side thinks the show is biting off more than it can chew, feeling it's too touchy of a subject to tackle in a TV-Y rated show. |
| 244 | * "Non Compete Clause" once again brings back Applejack and Rainbow Dash's competitive nature, and they're shown to be [[ConflictBall much more petty]] due to wanting to get a Teacher Of The Month award. One side think it works well enough in order to show a competitive streak can't easily go away. The other side think that the characters become ''too'' petty. Those who think the latter point to how their competitive nature in episodes like "Fall Weather Friends" and "Castle Mane-ia" was more downplayed and mainly affected them, while here, they almost get the students hurt (and one almost ''drowned''). There's also a third camp who think that, yes, Applejack and Rainbow Dash were too petty, but the episode would have worked if only it had been in one of the first two seasons when they didn't know each other as well. |
| 245 | * The conflict of "The End in Friend", with Rainbow Dash and Rarity struggling to find out what they have in common as friends, is somewhat divisive. One side think it works well enough in order to show how long lasting friendships need to be continually maintained. The other side think that the characters become too petty, and the conflict would work better in seasons 1-2, but not season 8, where the characters have known each other for ''years''. |
| 246 | * "School Raze", the season finale, is also divisive for various reasons: |
| 247 | ** Cozy Glow's plan, where she sees friendship as power and wants that power by draining magic, is either an incredibly impressive BatmanGambit for someone her age, or she held onto the IdiotBall since all of magic would be drained, including her own, if she had any.[[note]]And considering the extent to which their world relies on magic to function, it's likely that her plan succeeding would have left her with [[ApocalypseHow not much of anything to rule over.]][[/note]] |
| 248 | ** The fact that Cozy Glow, ''a child'', is sent to Tartarus is either a refreshing change of pace after the numerous and highly controversial villain reformations, or it makes the main characters look hypocritical/stupid and brings up [[FridgeHorror frightening implications]] about the Equestrian Criminal Justice System. |
| 249 | ** Chancellor Neighsay has been a divisive character since day one due to his stubborn, bigoted behavior and ''extreme'' prejudice against creatures, but his HeelFaceTurn despite his actions either works well enough since he's not overly malicious, or he's a KarmaHoudini that's shown to be far more overtly vindictive. |
| 250 | ** Cozy Glow being the main villain of the finale as a whole is either a nice subversion of the typical season finale tropes, or an unsatisfying twist that should’ve gone to either Neighsay or Chrysalis considering they had a much stronger connection to the Mane 6 than she did. |
| 251 | ** Like the season 7 finale, the much more ambitious scale is either well handled, or it's still style over substance. |
| 252 | [[/folder]] |
| 253 | |
| 254 | [[folder:Season 9]] |
| 255 | * The twist that Grogar was actually Discord in disguise and that he united the villains together as part of a scheme to give Twilight a confidence boost before becoming the ruler of Equestria quickly became a big point of contention regarding the finale. |
| 256 | ** Some fans hated the twist for [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter wasting Grogar]] after so many fans have wanted to see him in the show and all of the build up he had throughout the season for him to face off against the Mane Six. Other fans didn't mind it and felt that there wouldn't have been enough time to Grogar justice anyway. |
| 257 | ** More contentious was Discord himself and his plan. One side feel that this complete undid all of the CharacterDevelopment Discord had gone up to by this point by coming up with an extremely dangerous and poorly thought-through plan (recruiting villains (two of whom were already imprisoned and he released and one who was dead) and making them even more dangerous by uniting them and showing them where to find Grogar's bell, without properly preparing for the possibility of them betraying him) which put all of Equestria in danger (as well as making him indirectly responsible for Sombra's actions in "The Beginning of the End"), and that he didn't deserve to be as EasilyForgiven as he was at the end of the episode. The other side feel that it was in line with Discord's flaw of making impulsive decisions to do what he did and that he did do enough to make amends for his mistake by risking his life to free Starlight and by helping the ponies take down the LegionOfDoom in the end. |
| 258 | * The [[TakenForGranite villains' punishment]] in "The Ending Of The End" has proven to be contentious for multiple reasons: |
| 259 | ** Discord being the one to decide the villains' fate (and to perform it himself). Some feel this was a fitting way to make up for his actions seeing it as him using his powers for good to put a stop to evil, fixing the mistake he made by getting rid of the threat, while others feel that he had no right to punish them when he was responsible for all their crimes. There's also the fact that Tirek and Cozy Glow were already serving their sentences, and wouldn't have been in this position at all if he hadn't broken them out. |
| 260 | ** While some would agree that Chrysalis and Tirek deserved to be turned to stone as punishment for their crimes, there's the matter on whether Cozy Glow, ''a child'', deserved this fate. Those for it argue that she's been such an irredeemable monster that this comes across as cathartic. Those against it feel it comes across as unnecessarily cold since no one tried getting through to her. |
| 261 | ** The fanbase is divided on whether or not the villains should have had a HeelFaceTurn instead. Half of the fandom believe that it follows the friendship message of the show and that the villains were portrayed more sympathetically, while the other half believe that the villains were irredeemable, and rejected the offer to be good. |
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| 264 | |
| 265 | [[folder:''Equestria Girls'']] |
| 266 | * "Is ''Equestria Girls'' canon to ''Friendship is Magic'' or not?" This is a hot topic of debate among fans who care about such things, moreso after a cameo by the Sirens from ''Rainbow Rocks'' in Season 7's ''Shadow Play - Part 2''. According to the writers, the official stance is "[[https://trixiebooru.org/1580921 yes, it IS canon]], but [[https://trixiebooru.org/1580918 it won't influence the main show at all]] in order to prevent ContinuityLockout and to keep the stories self-contained". This "yes but no" answer has split the fans who care about canon in two. One half insists that ''Equestria Girls'' is canon because WordOfGod says so, and because of the Sirens' cameo appearance in the main series proves it. The other half insists it's not canon due to a belief of "if it doesn't influence the main story, then it's non-canon". |
| 267 | * Should Equestria Girls be made into an actual series, or should it stay as just the specials and shorts? For those in support of the former, it would allow any plot points to properly flesh out and make the characters more fully realized. For those in support of the latter, they find the shorts are pretty cute and argue that "less is more" by believing only a few specials each year will guarantee more effort put into the writing . |
| 268 | * ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' and its entire sub-franchise broke the base pretty hard. Fans were and are pretty divided over the idea of a HighSchoolAU and the simple fact of doing ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'' without the pony. At the announcement, some were cautiously optimistic, others proclaimed it to be the worst idea ever, and some have just ignored it regardless. This has not changed much with the release of the movie with opinions varying from "better than expected" to "generic and contrived". |
| 269 | * The second movie, ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'', is generally seen as [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel an improvement]] over the first one. But how good it is has sparked a few sustained disagreements. Some fans say that it's good, but not [[DamnedByFaintPraise really enough]] to redeem the spinoff in their eyes; others believe it's a [[GrowingTheBeard real redemption]] for the spinoff series as a whole and the best thing to happen in the entire sub-series. |
| 270 | * Now there's the third movie, ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsFriendshipGames The Friendship Games]]''. After ''Rainbow Rocks'' impressed plenty of people, ''Friendship Games'' had some lofty expectations to look at. Some regard it as an EvenBetterSequel, a [[ToughActToFollow downgrade to its predecessor]], or see it as the SurprisinglyImprovedSequel to its predecessors due to doing something completely different instead of sticking to the status quo. |
| 271 | * ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsLegendOfEverfree Legend of Everfree]]'' |
| 272 | ** During a transformation sequence, Human Twilight gets wings when she ponies up, while Sunset Shimmer does not. Some were fine with this, seeing it as Human Twilight merely emulating her counterpart in Equestria. Some fans were angry because being an alicorn is something one has to earn, and these fans felt that Sunset had earned that right, whereas Human Twilight hadn't earned it. |
| 273 | ** The movie's GenreShift from a character-driven comedy/family-friendly film about Friendship to an over-the-top superhero squad movie didn't sit well with some fans of the previous films, especially ''Rainbow Rocks''. Others simply don't mind the shift and just have fun with it. |
| 274 | ** The relationship between Human Twilight and Timber Spruce. A very cute and well-done attempt at an OfficialCouple in the series, or a pointless time-wasting romance that doesn't really add anything to the movie besides just being there? Also, is it better than Pony Twilight's relationship with Flash Sentry, just as bad, or even worse? |
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| 276 | |
| 277 | [[folder:The Comics]] |
| 278 | * ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDW'': |
| 279 | ** The quality of the comic: |
| 280 | *** Some enjoy it for its WorldBuilding and having stories and content the show itself wouldn't dare try to get away with, while others describe them as poorly written fanfiction. Numerous [[DependingOnTheWriter differences in characterization]], a different tone from the show, and the extremely heavy-handed references (both to the fandom and other media) don't help matters. |
| 281 | *** Some find fault in the numerous mistakes the comics seem to be making lately such as [[https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2015/11/19/1025930__safe_artist-colon-katiecandraw_edit_comic_comic+drama_drama_error_idw_misspelling_nitpicking_statler+and+waldorf.png typos]] and [[https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2015/11/18/1025419__safe_spoiler-colon-comic_adventure+in+the+comments_error_fail_idw_idw+drama_implied+king+sombra_implied+queen+umbra_misspelling_text_text+only.png terminology]] [[https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2016/9/20/1254105__safe_pinkie+pie_rarity_spoiler-colon-comic_spoiler-colon-comic34_comic+drama_drama_hand_idw_idw+drama.jpeg errors]], using [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5m_iYq-bGuc/Vp7E-LOaZTI/AAAAAAAAASU/e7t9OX7NP-s/s1600/rah.PNG clip art photoshopped into panels]] and [[https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2014/12/21/789487__safe_applejack_babs+seed_flash+sentry_fluttershy_granny+smith_pinkie+pie_rainbow+dash_sunflower+%28character%29_sunset+shimmer_equestria+girls_.jpg clips taken directly from the show, movies]], and ''[[https://trixiebooru.org/1925149#comment_7770650 even fan art]]'' to save effort, and the [[http://www.horse-news.net/2016/01/the-further-downfall-of-idw-friends.html considerable debacle]] surrounding the [[TroubledProduction production and release]] of ''Friends Forever #24''. Others believe they're honest and harmless mistakes that aren't much worse then the shows, and it's simply nitpicking by the comic series {{Hatedom}}, detracts from more justifiable critiques at worst, and that the overall quality of the artwork and writing (usually) more than makes up for it. |
| 282 | *** The minimalist designs given to some characters in the backgrounds, such as [[https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2013/3/6/264158__safe_princess+celestia_royal+guard_spike_spoiler-colon-comic_-colon-3_c-colon-_chariot_idw_picture+for+breezies_the+return+of+queen+chrysalis.jpg this]] and [[https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2016/2/4/1080276__safe_artist-colon-brendahickey_rainbow+dash_spoiler-colon-comic_comic_faic_flying_idw_quality.jpeg this]]. Is it a cute, clever, and comical thing to slip into the background that adds a bit of spice to the scene, or the artists being lazy and putting zero effort into a background character which detracts from the whole scene? |
| 283 | ** Similar to Equestria Girls, there's been an ongoing debate regarding the comics' canonicity. After artist Andy Price declared that the comics are [[https://derpiboo.ru/614023 completely canon]] with the show, this created a schism between fans who fiercely gather evidence to insist they are, fans who fiercely gather evidence to insist they are not, and fans who ''want'' the comics to be their own separate continuity as they feel it gives them more freedom to do things the show either can't or won't do and don't think the comics need the, for lack of a better word, "approval" of being canon. Show staff on the other hand were very careful to [[https://derpiboo.ru/831106 not give a definite answer]], and [[https://www.equestriadaily.com/2019/09/cut-ideas-and-general-my-little-pony.html have explained the comics do their own thing with zero communication between comic and show staff]] as they each contradict the other quite regularly, guaranteeing that base is going to ''remain'' broken for a very long time. ''The Times They Are A Changeling'' seemingly torpedoing much established about changelings in the comics has ''really'' kicked up fresh arguments, with defenders arguing that Chrysalis could have easily lied about their origins in her Fiendship issue and that the changelings could choose to either feed passively on love or drain their victims to lifeless husks, with detractors using this as fuel to shove the comics ''firmly'' into non-canon territory. The conclusions to both ''Shadow Play'' and ''The Beginning Of The End'', both of which hit the comics with heaping doses of CanonDiscontinuity, helped to quell ''much'' of the animosity surrounding this debate with most fans now generally assuming the comics take place in their own AlternateContinuity. |
| 284 | ** The existence of the Nightmare Forces for some, who prefer the idea of Nightmare Moon being a corrupted Luna rather than a different entity possessing her, feeling it cheapens her StartOfDarkness. There's a HandWave they do this via MoreThanMindControl, so Luna's fall to darkness could still be in part because she was corrupted by her own dark emotions, and thus leave the tragedy intact. Whether it does so or not is a matter of debate. |
| 285 | ** The first Annual issue showing more of pre-redemption Sunset Shimmer also got this. While appreciated for giving her much-desired backstory, it showed her being just as unsympathetic as in ''Equestria Girls'', disappointing those who hoped she would be given a FreudianExcuse or reason to believe her HeelFaceTurn was real or deserved. |
| 286 | ** The Reflections Arc. On one side, you have those who think Celestia's romance with Mirror Sombra is cute, that the ending is beautifully tragic, and appreciate getting to see that Celestia has inner struggles and makes mistakes like anypony. On the other side, you have those who hate that Celestia and Mirror Sombra's relationship [[RomanticPlotTumor is the center of the plot]] or think romance shouldn't be in the series, cried that the ending was a DeusExMachina [[StatusQuoIsGod apparently to maintain the status quo]], and wish the alternate world got to be explored more. |
| 287 | ** "Siege of the Crystal Empire". Whoo boy. It continued on from Sombra's Fiendship Issue where his portrayal as a TragicVillain DrivenToVillainy was almost universally loved (even the comic's ''{{Hatedom}}'' admitted to liking it), except halfway through it [[MoodWhiplash shifted tone violently]] from a dark and serious plot to one that was ''very'' comical and lighthearted (with the [=CMC=] able to battle the [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Umbrum]] using slapstick and cartoon physics, among others), and ended with King Sombra [[HeelFaceTurn fully reformed]], [[EasilyForgiven received by the princesses as a hero]], and given a "happily ever after" ending with his LoveInterest / MoralityPet Radiant Hope. Half the readers felt this was the pinnacle of terrible writing, effectively negated everything that happened in his Fiendship issue, that Radiant Hope was horribly portrayed, Sombra had done far too many horrible things to be forgiven like that and didn't deserve a happy ending, and that it had the misfortune of [[ToughActToFollow following the Season 5 Premiere]] which gave Sombra a badass portrayal as an irredeemable monster who was using [[MindControl mind-controlled]] innocent slave civilians as his own army to thrash Equestria. The other half felt he was ''still'' a redeemable victim all this time, that he deserved his redemption and a happy ending after everything he had suffered, that it blew his portrayal in the show clear out of the water, and that it ended on a beautiful heartwarming note. Either way, what ''definitely'' didn't help its case was that it directly referenced the heavily contested Reflections Arc, which some fans even felt was a not so subtle TakeThat against those who had criticized it. It helps that the Season 9 premiere evoked CanonDiscontinuity on it by having Sombra return, evil as ever, with no mention of Radiant Hope or the Umbrum (instead he's referred to as a unicorn in a later episode), and has him ultimately KilledOffForReal... which just Broke the Base more than ever, as now there are three camps: those who prefer his Darth Vader-like characterization here, those who prefer his CardCarryingVillain characterization in S9, and those who prefer his original characterization as an enigmatic NoNonsenseNemesis in S3-S5. |
| 288 | * The design of the pony's armor from ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWAnnual2017 Guardians of Harmony]]'' being lifted [[https://derpibooru.org/1376410 directly from fan artist Equestria-Prevails]] earlier works, and it being done by the already divisive Jay Fosgitt[[note]]His very off-model designs are either beloved for their cartoonish appearance or despised for their weird anatomy and laziness[[/note]] is probably a hotter topic than the plot of the comic itself. One chunk of the group were quick to call foul play and call the artist out for stealing the designs of a fan artist without crediting him, with another claiming it to simply be proof of laziness and lack of standards on [=IDW's=] part as the image was likely lifted from Google without realizing it wasn't official ([[https://derpibooru.org/tags/prevailing+armor Its tag on Derpibooru]] is an obvious reference, and possibly even TakeThat, to this), while a third group defends and praises it as a (intentional or not) fandom nod instead. The artist publicly stating he was happy his designs made it into an official work and that he himself was a fan of Fosgitt's work helped to quell some of the arguing, but it's still one heck of a stirred up hornet's nest that likely won't quiet any time soon. |
| 289 | * The response to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicIDWHolidays2014 the 2014 Holiday Special]], in which Sunset Shimmer is framed for cyber-bullying, was very negative. Even so, it's inspired debate among fans. Was it a terrible story for [[CluelessAesop a moral that's poorly delivered and at odds with the themes of the issue]]? A good story for dealing with a very serious issue whose critiques are forgivable attempts to make it more accessible to younger readers? Or were two story components (the holidays and cyber-bullying) okay stories on their own but just didn't work well together? |
| 290 | ** If not the comic itself, the fan reaction to the fan reaction is also very split. The 2014 holiday comic has, far and away, inspired more fan fiction then any other story or element from the IDW comics, albeit not for reasons that the creators had hoped for. More than five years later, when ''Friendship is Magic'' ended, many a FixFic was still being written about this one comic. Are these fan fic stories a wealth of stories that show WhatCouldHaveBeen with more intelligent, mature writing than the comic is itself? Or are they a lot of poorly-written {{Wangst}} that gets way too dark for the subject matter? And should fans continue to submit ideas for Fix Fics on the comic after so much time has passed? |
| 291 | * ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyMicroSeries'': |
| 292 | ** Issue #8. Several fans felt that Inkwell ended up stealing Celestia's spotlight in her own issue, while others felt that there was still enough time and character dedicated to Celestia to still be considered in the issue's spotlight. |
| 293 | ** Fans often disagree on whether certain issues were any good or not. Only the Rarity and Luna stories get universal praise, though plenty of fans enjoy all ten issues. |
| 294 | * ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFriendsForever'': |
| 295 | ** While some fans think [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendsForeverIssue10 #10]] was a great issue and Iron Will needed to return after he was such a compelling three dimensional antagonist, Fluttershy didn't obtain the JerkassBall again like "Putting Your Hoof Down", others believe Rainbow Dash and Angel's [[JerkassBall behaviour]] in this comic was almost callous, making two characters who were originally likeable into mean-spirited pranksters at best and callous remorseless Jerkasses at worst. |
| 296 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendsForeverIssue11 #11]]: |
| 297 | ** The art style is either regarded as cute chibification or grotesque balloon animals. |
| 298 | ** The actual story about Spitfire getting a FreudianExcuse and Rainbow Dash being a CoolTeacher to a group of young flight camp foals is divisive. It's either seen as one of Rainbow Dash's kindest moments or seen as OOC for the usually brash impulsive speedster. |
| 299 | * [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendsForeverIssue18 #18]]: Fans are divided as to whether or not this was a good issue. Some fans argue Rainbow and Fluttershy got a lot of bonding, the ending was heartwarming especially from Spitfire, who previously held the JerkassBall in both Friends Forever #11 and Rainbow Falls, and they still love the artstyle from 11 (Jay Fosgitt returning) that they consider to have improved significantly. Others argue the artstyle still makes the ponies look like deformed balloon animals, Rainbow didn't figure out what Fluttershy was so nervous about until the very end, and that the AlphaBitch pony was needlessly cruel. |
| 300 | * ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyFiendshipIsMagic'': |
| 301 | ** The Tirek issue; some like how it shows his personal life, mentor, and family, while others feel it's too rushed and doesn't reveal much. Not helping is the prior issue's ToughActToFollow status. |
| 302 | ** The Sirens issue over being lighter and more joke-heavy than the first two issues. Some enjoyed the humor, others criticize it for diluting the series' DarkerAndEdgier draw. It being made CanonDiscontinuity by the Season 7 finale has likewise been mixed, with some grateful for replacing the unpopular story while others find what replaced it bland in comparison and raised its own issues. |
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