Line #16 Administrivia/HowToPickAGoodImage


1	So, you want to find a good image for a page. The image is a great attention-grabber; it's likely to be the first thing a person sees when the page loads. In a page about the work, a good image will introduce the work; in a trope page, it will illustrate the trope and help the reader understand it. Just like a good name, a good image follows the mantra "clear, concise, and witty" (in descending order of importance). There are a lot of good ways to go about making sure our images are clear, concise, and witty... let's look at them.
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3	!! Image Pickin'
4	* [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=images There is an entire forum section dedicated to finding good images.]] If you're not sure an image is good, think you've found a better one than what's on an article, or just want to open the door for discussion, stop by and start a thread. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1317986693061200100 Here is the introduction to the forum, and some basic guidelines for using it.]]
5	* Image Pickin' is fairly good at picking images. If an image was chosen by Image Pickin' and you think it should be changed, don't just unilaterally replace it; start a new thread. The Image Pickin' crowd usually leaves a [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules commented-out note]] about this in the page source.
6	* When you make a thread, be sure to use the ''actual'' location of the trope or work. The wiki won't tag the article if you use a redirect or don't spell it correctly.
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8	!!Works pages
9	* The most common picture for a works page is a title screen or box art. It's what most people will see when they look in the store for a copy, and images are fairly easy to come across.
10	* Official promotional art such as movie posters are common, including cast pictures. This is particularly common when the actual cover is a flat color and a logo or something similarly minimalist.
11	* An image from a SignatureScene scene isn't forbidden per se, but this practice has been increasingly deprecated in favor of promotional art.
12	* For the majority of works, one image is fine. Some work pages have more than one image (e.g. illustrating a remake or cast turnover), but it is best to start a thread to decide if this is necessary.
13	* Unlike many other types of work, {{Fan Fic}}tion, {{Webcomics}}, and WebOriginal have relatively easy-to-access creators. If you want to know what they'd prefer, send them a simple email with links to both the site and the page in question. For instance, this was how the page images for ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' and ''Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids'' were chosen.
14	* Characters pages with multiple characters may accompany some or all profiles with an image of the character. There is no hard rule on image size for these pages, but some may opt to standardise on smaller images (e.g. 250 or 300) to allow more space for text. If in doubt, it's worth asking other tropers about this on the relevant discussion page.
15	* Character images should ideally reflect the appearance of the character in the same medium and work(s) the Characters page relates to.
16	* Even if an existing works page image wasn't chosen by Image Pickin', best practice is to start a new thread and get a consensus before changing it, not to replace it unilaterally.
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18	!!Quality of image
19	* Some images simply have bad image quality (compression artifacts, pixelation, and so on). This detracts from what the image is showing, and simple quality upgrades are something you don't even need to ask to replace. For example: GiantEnemyCrab had [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/giant-giant-enemy-crab.jpg this image]], but we replaced it with this [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/giantcrabcw_resized_7685.jpg higher-quality version of the same thing.]] This is a free action: You don't need discussion or approval to swap in a higher-quality version of the previous image, you can just do it yourself and be on your way.
20	* There are two versions of the image uploader tool, one located above the edit window when editing a wiki page and one above the text window when making a forum post. The uploader for wiki pages places a hard width limit of 350 pixels, and images larger than this are automatically scaled down to this size upon being uploaded. This limit is frequently called "wiki size", especially in Image Pickin'. If you need to shrink an image to this size, it may not be a good image anymore (either due to introducing compression/resize artifacts, or by just the details becoming too small to make out). There is no maximum ''height'', but if it has to be much taller than 350 or so pixels to be clear, it may not be a good image. Images must also be at least 100×100 pixels to be uploaded. On the other hand, the uploader for forum posts currently has no size limits, and pics will be uploaded at their actual size.
21	* If you need to resize an image and don't like working with MS Paint[[note]](which uses different algorithm depending on what is selected)[[/note]] or other programs, you can use [[http://www.picresize.com/ pic resize]] to do it. Note that the Media Uploader is unable to shrink very large images.
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23	!! [[Administrivia/ImagesInWikiPages Images on the wiki]]
24	* Images go on the right side of the page (you can learn how to do this on Administrivia/TextFormattingRules).
25	* Images go at the top of the page. Do not put image markup below the example line. There are exceptions to this, but they are usually agreed on by an Administrivia/ImagePickin thread beforehand.
26	* Modifying images to work better, or building a collage are allowed and sometimes preferred over individual, unmodified pictures.
27	** Comics (i.e. newspaper comic strips) in particular are frequently modified to fit within the 350 pixel width. If a comic is too wide, a common solution is to stack the panels vertically.
28	** Single images are usually sufficient; however, with some tropes, especially those that deal with changes or comparisons, it may be necessary to have a multipart image.
29	* ImageSource/TroperMade images are fine. If you have artistic skills and would like to make an image for a page, go for it. (DugTooDeep is one such example.)
30	* If there's more than one good image, feel free to start an ImageLinksWiki for the page.
31	* If a trope has medium-specific subpages, images that aren't medium neutral belong on the appropriate medium subpage.
32	* Some images are made by combining multiple images. Such images are called Administrivia/{{Multi Part Picture}}s.
33	* Administrivia/ImagePickinSpecialCases lists several pages which fall into particular criteria established by Image Pickin'.
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35	!! Safe For Work
36	* The wiki aims to be safe for work in its images. Avoid {{Gorn}}, nudity, and {{Squick}}.
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38	!! [[Administrivia/AboutImagesAndCopyright Copyright and Fair Use]]
39	* If an image has a little copyright stamp (©) on it, we can't use it.
40	* The same goes for watermarks of ownership; attempting to remove them is too much work (and, as a RulesLawyer points out, against the DMCA). Note that "station bugs" (watermark-like logos in the corner, added by a broadcasting TV station) are not the same as an artist/owner's watermark, though pictures still look nicer without them.
41	* "Artist scribbles" and signatures are fine.
42	* Taking screenshots or scans for illustrative purposes on this Creative Commons wiki falls under fair use.
43	* RealLife pictures: although Website/ThisVeryWiki documents devices in fiction, sometimes a real life picture is the best available (FiftiesHair and GoofyPrintUnderwear are examples).
44	* Having the artist's permission is always a Good Thing. If you want to use an artist's work as a page image, it is common courtesy to send an email to the artist and ask for their permission (first!). Here is an example that was sent and responded to with permission:
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46	-->Hello Dalgarra,
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48	-->I am seeking permission to use [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridayTheThirteenth this picture]] of yours for the page image of the trope, VillainDecay. If this is alright, please respond to the email or [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=lhxpsx1kvbvspoh7pe09okg3 comment in the discussion here]]. If you wish us to not use your image, it will be changed, if you give permission but want a specific link please respond.
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50	-->-Deboss
51	* Original art (from Website/DeviantArt, Flickr, etc.) may be Creative Commons licensed. If you see that, go ahead and use the picture but be sure to follow the CC terms, especially BY (give the artist credit -- a link back to their website in the caption generally suffices and is a good thing to do anyway) and Remix (if it doesn't have this it means you aren't supposed to alter the image; resizing is probably OK). NC (non-commercial) and SA (share-alike) are covered by the wiki's CC license.
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53	!!Tropes
54	* '''Which tropes don't have images?''': There is a tool that lists tropes without images -- but it doesn't work anymore. So use the big blue "Random Trope" button at the top of your screen.
55	* '''Visual Aid''': Unlike Works, page images for trope pages are there to help explain the trope, not just provide an example above the example line.
56	* '''Why are ComicBooks, {{Manga}}, and {{Webcomics}} so popular?''': Because the addition of SpeechBubble allows the image to include {{Dialogue}} on top of visualizations, something which multimedia works lack. This, combined with a distinct lack of MotionBlur, leans toward a dominance of these images.
57	* '''The image is not an example entry''': the part of the page above the "examples" line is for explanation and related tropes, the part below is for examples. The image is above this line, unless it's too tall. Being the [[SugarWiki/MostTriumphantExample best]]/[[UrExample earliest]] ''example'' is not the same as conveying the trope to other people. The goal of an image is to ShowDontTell.
58	* '''Captions can help''': A picture can need a caption to make the final leap, as long as it tells the story right up to the point where the caption closes the gap.
59	* '''{{Meme}}s''': They're ''verboten'' unless, of course, the page is actually about the meme in question.
60	* '''How can I tell if it's a good picture if I'm very familiar with the work?''' Ask yourself "If I had no exposure to the source work, would this image still make sense to me?" If you're not sure about the answer, go ask in Image Pickin', there are bound to be a few people who wouldn't know it from a hole in the ground who can help put it in perspective.
61	* '''A composite picture''': Sometimes an image consisting of several examples of this trope shows how a common trope manifests in different works. This works better with tropes that are in {{Spectacle}} category and some of the video game tropes. [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules Note and labelnote markers]] can be used to list the works the examples are from.
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63	* '''What makes a good image (and caption)?'''
64	** ShowDontTell. Visual aids are great to help explain the trope.
65	** Synergy between caption and image where they work together very well to show what's going on. The proper balance is commonly that the picture (being the first thing seen) works as the set up to a joke, with the caption functioning as the punchline.
66	** Related to synergy: any text in the caption that helps people understand the image should not be hidden behind a [[note]]note[[/note]] tag.
67	** Quotes from the same work or instance tend to make good captions.
68	** Snark, while not discouraged, is a good second to a meaningful quote.
69	** It is acceptable if an image [[ThisImageIsNotAnExample is not technically an example]], as long as it ''looks'' like an example. Inversely, it is not acceptable if an image ''is'' technically an example [[Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption but you can't tell that from the image]].
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71	* '''Things to avoid:'''
72	** Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption: The visual equivalent of a Administrivia/ZeroContextExample. Most of the time, they only make sense if you're already familiar with the work ''and'' the trope. Read the link for more details about why this is a bad idea.
73	** Heavy stylized drawing styles. If a picture is heavily stylized (and not to illustrate a trope about that style in question), it's harder for people to decipher what is going on in there.
74	** WallOfText or TalkingHeads. If the image is nothing but a paragraph of text with a character drawn so that there's somewhere to stick a SpeechBubble, it's not a great image ... but it might make a good quote though. A DiscussedTrope ''can'' be a good illustration, but there have to be some visual cues beyond the text and an expressionless face that help to illustrate the trope.
75	** "If you read the example, this makes perfect sense" is not a good way to explain the trope (see the first point).
76	** As stated before, meme-based pics of any kind aren't welcome.
77	** Administrivia/{{Entry Pimp}}ing. The image is not there solely to bring your favorite work to the attention of others.[[note]]Of course if your favorite work actually does have a better picture for a trope, that's a different matter...[[/note]]
78	** Spoilers, even on Administrivia/SpoilersOff pages. There's no code for spoiler-tagging an image for people who don't want to see things spoiled. And once you've seen a spoiler, you can never un-see it. Images tend to draw people's attention (they are even shown on our Google search results and on the [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/browse.php Browse]] page). Most people's eyes are immediately drawn to images anyway.
79	** Images based on a LiteralMinded interpretation of the trope's title can be misleading. For example, PetTheDog is not about [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin petting dogs]], it's a metaphor, which is a reason that the page features a kitten instead.
80	** Fanart is discouraged on a work's page or its subpages. Fandom-related subpages (such as meme pages) are exceptions, but avoid using fanart in a moments page, character sheet, or the like.
81	** Captions are not mandatory.
82	*** If a caption text only says "The TropeNamer", "X shows us how it's done", "One of these things is not like the others", [[MemeticMutation etc]], this is actually ''worse'' than having no caption at all (compare first point).
83	*** Per [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16592075430A93027000 this thread]], captions that refer to in-jokes from other works are forbidden on work pages and their subpages, as they rely on [[FanMyopia assuming all readers are familiar with both works]].
84	*** Avoid captions (or notes therein) that point out how the image doesn't actually fit here, or isn't actually an example. If an image seriously bothers you, take it to Image Pickin'. See also: ThisImageIsNotAnExample.
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86	* '''Not Picturable.''' Sometimes a trope is too text- or plot- dependent for an image to work, and the better option is to just leave the page imageless than put an image that would confuse the reader even further. Don't fret, it happens.
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88	* '''Do not mention the image elsewhere on the wiki.''' After adding your image, it might be tempting to edit the source work's entry in the examples section to mention that it illustrates the trope. Please, don't. It is not guaranteed that the image will stay the same forever, and if the image is ever changed, your example will suddenly contain false information, so it's better to not mention it.
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90	!! {{Pothol\|e}}ing
91	* Most images don't have the title of the work in them -- which is a problem, since people will likely want to know what work an image is from. Fortunately, we have ways of getting around this -- the most common method is to simply wrap the image itself in a PotHole link, making the image clickable. See Administrivia/TextFormattingRules for how to do this.
92	* Multisource works. When an image is a parody of another, such as a gaming webcomic or something, the preferred potholing method is the image pointing to the parody source, and the caption pointing to the parodied work. If there's multiple source works, a [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules note or labelnote]] with a list of the characters named and potholed is preferred. MostCommonSuperPower is an example.
93	* Non-potholed images that you've found can be potholed to the appropriate work if you know it.
94	* If a RealLife image is chosen, you can either pothole to RealLife or don't pothole it at all.
95	* If an image is not potholed or sourced in some way, bring it up in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12944180130A56980100 this thread]].
96	* '''Do Not''' pothole an image to an outside site, the [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/external_link_tag_2010.jpg "external link" widget]] messes with the code and looks funny hanging off an image. Put the outside link in the caption if needs to be there.
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98	!!Crowners
99	* When multiple good images are proposed for a trope with no consensus on which one should be used, create a crowner by copying [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/ImagePickin/InsertTropeNameHere this URL]], replacing the "[=InsertTropeNameHere=]" in the url with the name of the trope, then pasting it in a new browser tab. Then click "Yes, do it" when asked to create the crowner. Link to it in the Image Pickin' thread, and holler for a mod to attach the crowner to the thread.
100	* The purpose of the crowner is to decide between multiple images that are all ''equally illustrative of the trope''. If an image has been determined not to illustrate the trope (or to illustrate the ''wrong'' trope), don't put it on the crowner.
101	* Crowners are generally left open until voting slows down. All crowners must be open for voting for at least three "business days" -- i.e. if the third day falls during a weekend, the crowner is left open until Monday, as forum traffic tends to slow during the weekend.
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103	!!Helpful links
104	* [[http://www.gimp.org GIMP: GNU Image Manipulation Program]] (image editor, free)
105	* [[http://www.getpaint.net/ Paint.net]] (image editor, free)
106	* [[https://www.photopea.com/ Photopea]] (browser-based image editor, free)
107	* [[https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop.html Adobe Photoshop]] (image editor, not free)
108	* [[http://www.picresize.com/ PicResize]] (great for resizing pics without introducing artifacts, adding effects, and saving in multiple file types)
109	* [[http://www.photojoiner.net/ PhotoJoiner]] (Great for making various sequences into panels, free).

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