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* ValuesResonance: Caspian's argument against the pro-slavery ruler on the Lone Islands. While almost everyone already agreed that slavery was bad at the time of writing, at least in the "Western" world, the Governor's advocacy of [[CapitalismIsBad ruthless profit-seeking and economic development at the expense of human dignity]] touches on larger issues which were not as widely current then, and modern audiences are likely to find Caspian's smackdown of the same at least as satisfying as the original readers.

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* ValuesResonance: Caspian's argument against the pro-slavery ruler on the Lone Islands. While almost everyone already agreed that slavery was bad at the time of writing, at least in the "Western" world, the Governor's advocacy of [[CapitalismIsBad ruthless profit-seeking and economic development at the expense of human dignity]] touches on larger issues which were not as widely current then, and modern audiences are likely to find Caspian's smackdown [[KirkSummation smackdown]] of the same at least as satisfying as the original readers.
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* ValuesResonance: Caspian's argument against the pro-slavery ruler on the Lone Islands. While almost everyone already agreed that slavery was bad at the time of writing, at least in the "Western" world, the Governor's advocacy of [[CapitalismIsBad ruthless profit-seeking and economic development at the expense of human dignity]] touches on larger issues which were not as widely current then, and modern audiences are likely to find Caspian's smackdown of the same at least as satisfying as the original readers.
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** Goldwater Island. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].

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** Goldwater Island. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream [[TakenForGranite is right]]]].



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Eustace. Apparently we are supposed to ''not'' like him, and the long list of reasons why are often [[ShowDontTell told rather than shown]] through a LemonyNarrator. Thanks to ValuesDissonance, at least some of them can also sometimes seem almost like Lewis was just trying to make Eustace hated. Then ''[[Literature/TheSilverChair]]'' comes in and now, Eustace is treated positively--though this ''was'' subsequent to his rather extensive CharacterDevelopment throughout ''Dawn Treader''.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Eustace. Apparently we are supposed to ''not'' like him, and the long list of reasons why are often [[ShowDontTell told rather than shown]] through a LemonyNarrator. Thanks to ValuesDissonance, at least some of them can also sometimes seem almost like Lewis was just trying to make Eustace hated. Then ''[[Literature/TheSilverChair]]'' ''Literature/TheSilverChair'' comes in and now, Eustace is treated positively--though this ''was'' subsequent to his rather extensive CharacterDevelopment throughout ''Dawn Treader''.
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** Will Poulter's portrayal of Eustace went down very well with fans.

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** Will Poulter's Creator/WillPoulter's portrayal of Eustace went down very well with fans.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Eustace. Apparently we are supposed to ''not'' like him, and the long list of reasons why are [[ShowDontTell not shown but rather told though]] an UnreliableNarrator, and thanks to ValuesDissonance, seems almost like Lewis was just trying to make Eustace hated. Then [[Literature/TheSilverChair Silver Chair]] comes in and once again, Eustace is treated positively, even though this ''was'' post CharacterDevelopment.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Eustace. Apparently we are supposed to ''not'' like him, and the long list of reasons why are often [[ShowDontTell not shown but told rather told though]] an UnreliableNarrator, and thanks than shown]] through a LemonyNarrator. Thanks to ValuesDissonance, seems at least some of them can also sometimes seem almost like Lewis was just trying to make Eustace hated. Then [[Literature/TheSilverChair Silver Chair]] ''[[Literature/TheSilverChair]]'' comes in and once again, now, Eustace is treated positively, even though positively--though this ''was'' post CharacterDevelopment.subsequent to his rather extensive CharacterDevelopment throughout ''Dawn Treader''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the fog of nightmares, Eustace mentions hearing "[[NoodleImplements a huge pair of scissors opening and shutting]]." After about 1998 or so, this is likely to remind readers of a certain ''[[Film/TheBigLebowski other]]'' story with a NightmareSequence featuring giant scissors.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In the fog of nightmares, Eustace mentions hearing "[[NoodleImplements a huge pair of scissors opening and shutting]]." After about 1998 or so, this is likely to remind readers of a certain ''[[Film/TheBigLebowski other]]'' story with a NightmareSequence featuring giant scissors. After about 2001 or so, it's likely to remind readers of yet ''[[Film/{{Monkeybone}} another]]'' story with a NightmareSequence featuring big scissors[[note]]or ordinary-sized gardening shears, as the case may be[[/note]] -- this time caused by a nightmare-inducing mist to boot!
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: You don't have to like the adaptation to admit that it's pretty.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: You don't have to like the adaptation to admit that it's pretty.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Considering Disney and Fox are set to merge at the time of this writing, that would essentially mean all three ''Narnia'' films would be under one roof.
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** The dragon looks extremely bad for something that came out four years after ''Film/{{Eragon}}''.

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** The cgi dragon looks extremely extraordinarily bad for something in a film that came out four years after ''Film/{{Eragon}}''.''Film/{{Eragon}}'' and ''fourteen'' years after ''Film/{{Dragonheart}}''.
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** The dragon looks extremely bad for something that came out four years after ''Film/{{Eragon}}''.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Eustace. Apparently we are supposed to ''not'' like him, and the long list of reasons why are [[ShowDontTell not shown but rather told though]] an UnreliableNarrator, and thanks to ValuesDissonance, seems almost like Lewis was just trying to make Eustace hated. Then [[Literature/TheSilverChair Silver Chair]] comes in and once again, Eustace is treated positively, even though this ''was'' post CharacterDevelopment.

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* CanonSue: Both book and movie examine the trope in different ways:
** The book greatly subverts Lucy's purity and perfection that had made her seem a bit Sueish in the series so far. She shows jealousy over Susan, that she was picked to go on a trip to America instead of her. She also envies the attention and admiration Susan gets because of her beauty. This jealousy nearly causes her to use a spell to make her the WorldsMostBeautifulWoman, in spite of the horrible consequences the book shows ensuing. Because Aslan roars at her at the last minute, she doesn't do it but she does cast another spell to find out what her friends say about her behind her back. When she does, she witnesses her friend saying something nasty. Aslan then tells Lucy that her friend did not mean what she said, and scolds Lucy for her mistake. Overall it shows that, for however sweet and perfect someone may seem, even a Canon Sue can still feel envious of what she doesn't have or still desire the appreciation of others.
** The movie has Lucy go ahead and read the spell. It works a little too literally, as Lucy has a dream where she has become Susan. As a side effect, Lucy has never existed. And therefore her siblings never discovered Narnia. Aslan then gently scolds Lucy for her vanity, saying that by wishing she were someone else, she is undermining her own worth as a person.



%%* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealousy towards Caspian and, well...
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the fog of nightmares, Eustace mentions hearing "[[NoodleImplements a huge pair of scissors opening and shutting]]." After about 1998 or so, this is likely to remind readers of a certain ''[[Film/TheBigLebowski other]]'' story with a NightmareSequence featuring giant scissors.



** Plus the [[SuperFunHappyThingOfDoom Island Where Dreams Come True]]. Not daydreams. ''[[OhCrap Dreams]]''. As in ''[[NightmareSequence nightmares]]''.

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** Plus the [[SuperFunHappyThingOfDoom Island Where Dreams Come True]]. [[OhCrap Not daydreams. ''[[OhCrap daydreams]]. ''[[RealDreamsAreWeirder Dreams]]''. As in ''[[NightmareSequence nightmares]]''.
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** The book greatly subverts Lucy's purity and perfection that had made her seem a bit Sueish in the series so far. She shows jealousy over Susan, that she was picked to go on a trip to America instead of her. She also envies the attention and admiration Susan gets because of her beauty. This jealousy nearly causes her to use a spell to make her just like Susan. She doesn't do it but she does cast another spell to find out what her friends say about her behind her back. When she does, she witnesses her friend saying something nasty. Aslan then tells Lucy that her friend did not mean what she said, and scolds Lucy for her mistake. Overall it shows that, for however sweet and perfect someone may seem, even a CanonSue can still feel envious of what she doesn't have or still desire the appreciation of others.

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** The book greatly subverts Lucy's purity and perfection that had made her seem a bit Sueish in the series so far. She shows jealousy over Susan, that she was picked to go on a trip to America instead of her. She also envies the attention and admiration Susan gets because of her beauty. This jealousy nearly causes her to use a spell to make her just like Susan. She the WorldsMostBeautifulWoman, in spite of the horrible consequences the book shows ensuing. Because Aslan roars at her at the last minute, she doesn't do it but she does cast another spell to find out what her friends say about her behind her back. When she does, she witnesses her friend saying something nasty. Aslan then tells Lucy that her friend did not mean what she said, and scolds Lucy for her mistake. Overall it shows that, for however sweet and perfect someone may seem, even a CanonSue Canon Sue can still feel envious of what she doesn't have or still desire the appreciation of others.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Subverted. Simon Pegg's performance as Reepicheep was praised more than Eddie Izzard's in the previous film. The two are about even in terms of preference.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Subverted. Simon Pegg's performance as Reepicheep was praised more than Though Eddie Izzard's performance as the voice of Reepicheep in the previous film. The two are about even film was highly praised by fans, Simon Pegg's turn in terms of preference.the role in this film has been embraced with equal enthusiasm.



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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Will Poulter's portrayal of Eustace went down very well with fans.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Will Poulter's portrayal of Eustace went down very well with fans.fans.
** Likewise Liliandil was warmly received, and the name she got in the film is taken as canon.
* FridgeBrilliance: With WordOfGod confirming that the green mist was caused by the Lady of the Green Kirtle, it makes sense why she [[spoiler: murders Liliandil in the next book]]. Liliandil was the one who told the Pevensies how to stop her first plan.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite FirstInstallmentWins, ''Voyage of the Dawn Treader'' is one of the more popular books in the series.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: CultClassic: Despite FirstInstallmentWins, ''Voyage of the Dawn Treader'' is one of the more popular books in the series.

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* CanonSue: Both book and movie examine the trope in different ways:
** The book greatly subverts Lucy's purity and perfection that had made her seem a bit Sueish in the series so far. She shows jealousy over Susan, that she was picked to go on a trip to America instead of her. She also envies the attention and admiration Susan gets because of her beauty. This jealousy nearly causes her to use a spell to make her just like Susan. She doesn't do it but she does cast another spell to find out what her friends say about her behind her back. When she does, she witnesses her friend saying something nasty. Aslan then tells Lucy that her friend did not mean what she said, and scolds Lucy for her mistake. Overall it shows that, for however sweet and perfect someone may seem, even a CanonSue can still feel envious of what she doesn't have or still desire the appreciation of others.
** The movie has Lucy go ahead and read the spell. It works a little too literally, as Lucy has a dream where she has become Susan. As a side effect, Lucy has never existed. And therefore her siblings never discovered Narnia. Aslan then gently scolds Lucy for her vanity, saying that by wishing she were someone else, she is undermining her own worth as a person.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Despite FirstInstallmentWins, ''Voyage of the Dawn Treader'' is one of the more popular books in the series.



* ClicheStorm: The mist and sword plot created for the movie.

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* BrokenBase: This evokes this even more than the other two adaptations. Detractors don't like it because it adds an antagonist that didn't exist in the book, a GottaCatchEmAll plot involving swords and also a shorter running time. There's another subset that don't like it because it has a different director and therefore a different style from the first two. On the flip side, its fans argue that it needed some kind of narrative to help it flow better as a film (the book being a RandomEventsPlot) and they also enjoy the increased screen time for Edmund and Lucy.
* ClicheStorm: The mist and sword plot created for the movie.movie is this for some.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Will Poulter's portrayal of Eustace went down very well with fans.



* HoYay: Apparently, Caspian and Edmund, for some people.
** It's not that far-fetched, considering that Caspian spends much of the movie offering Edmund ancient swords he'd been given in recognition of his own kingship. Then there is the very intimate scene of them getting dressed and the touching centre-stage hug at the end.
** The mileage in this one varies a lot. Frankly, to some people they just became like brothers and the touching one-hug at the end just accentuates their brotherly connection. After all, Caspian does tell them they are like his ''family'' to him.

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* HoYay: Apparently, There's a bit of it between Caspian and Edmund, for some people.
** It's not that far-fetched, considering
though the film does point out that Caspian spends much of the movie offering views Edmund ancient swords he'd been given in recognition of (and Lucy) as his own kingship. Then there family.
* IKnewIt: A small one. Fans expected that Ramandu's daughter would get NamedByTheAdaptation (as it had happened to a few other characters in previous films). Liliandil
is the very intimate scene of them getting dressed and the touching centre-stage hug at the end.
** The mileage in this one varies a lot. Frankly, to some people they just became like brothers and the touching one-hug at the end just accentuates their brotherly connection. After all, Caspian does tell them they are like his ''family'' to him.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: A lot of fans preferred Ben Barnes's performance as Caspian in this - since the character TookALevelInKindness and Barnes was using his natural voice.
* ReplacementScrappy: Subverted. Simon Pegg's performance as Reepicheep was praised more than Eddie Izzard's in the previous film. The two are about even in terms of preference.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: What was once a book about a visionary journey, a quest for Paradise, is now... a movie full of fairly standard stuff about overcoming evil with swords.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: What was once Needless to say, a book lot of fans did not like the added plot about gathering Aslan's swords or the green mist.
* TrailerJokeDecay:
** Liliandil suggesting she change form if [[DistractedByTheSexy they find it too distracting]], Edmund and Caspian shouting "no!" and Lucy rolling her eyes. It was in every trailer.
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a visionary journey, a quest for Paradise, is now... a movie full of fairly standard stuff about overcoming evil with swords.lesser extent, the minotaur making Eustace faint and saying "was it something I said?"
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*** Considering the movie didn't shy away from incestual subtext (see below), [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be both]].
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: What was one a visionary journey, a quest for Paradise, is now... fairly standard stuff about overcoming evil with swords.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: What was one once a book about a visionary journey, a quest for Paradise, is now... a movie full of fairly standard stuff about overcoming evil with swords.
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** Goldwater Island, full stop. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].

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** Goldwater Island, full stop.Island. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealousy towards Caspian and, well...

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* %%* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealousy towards Caspian and, well...

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* TearJerker: Reepicheep's farewell and subsequent [[spoiler:departure into Aslan's country.]]

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* TearJerker: Reepicheep's farewell and subsequent [[spoiler:departure into Aslan's country.]] ]]
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: What was one a visionary journey, a quest for Paradise, is now... fairly standard stuff about overcoming evil with swords.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealously towards Caspian and well...
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealously jealousy towards Caspian and and, well...
* VisualEffectsOfAwesomeVisualEffectsOfAwesome: You don't have to like the adaptation to admit that it's pretty.
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** Or, to use a non-Christian parallel, they're on a vision quest.
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* CanonDiscontinuity: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from?
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* NightmareFuel: Goldwater Island, full stop. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].
** As far as we know, the golden statues aren't sentient. Probably they just stay dormant unless Aslan breathes on them, like the Witch's statues.

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Goldwater Island, full stop. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].
** As far as we know, the golden statues aren't sentient. Probably they just stay dormant unless Aslan breathes on them, like the Witch's statues.
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*** While Coriakin himself turns out to be a [[CoolOldGuy Cool Old Guy]], Lucy's walk up to the magician's study can get pretty unnerving--walking up a flight of stairs and down a hallway in complete silence, with strange carvings and paintings on the walls, doors that won't shut, and a minor [[JumpScare Jump Scare]] in the form of the bearded mirror.

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*** ** While Coriakin himself turns out to be a [[CoolOldGuy Cool Old Guy]], Lucy's walk up to the magician's study can get pretty unnerving--walking up a flight of stairs and down a hallway in complete silence, with strange carvings and paintings on the walls, doors that won't shut, and a minor [[JumpScare Jump Scare]] in the form of the bearded mirror.
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* CanonDiscontinuity: What exactly the Lady of the Green Kirtle ''is''. At first she was said to be another witch along the lines of the White Witch. Then we found out in ''The Magician's Nephew'' that the White Witch was the only survivor of a destroyed universe, so the Lady of Green Kirtle couldn't have come from there. So who is she and where did she come from?
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous: Many people today may not find too much wrong with Eustace's family, as was described in the beginning -- though others may argue that the issue was with "faddism" as the likely motivation behind their lifestyle, rather than with their lifestyle per se.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous: ValuesDissonance: Many people today may not find too much wrong with Eustace's family, as was described in the beginning -- though others may argue that the issue was with "faddism" as the likely motivation behind their lifestyle, rather than with their lifestyle per se.
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* ValuesDissonance/WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous: Many people today may not find too much wrong with Eustace's family, as was described in the beginning -- though others may argue that the issue was with "faddism" as the likely motivation behind their lifestyle, rather than with their lifestyle per se.

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* ValuesDissonance/WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous: WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous: Many people today may not find too much wrong with Eustace's family, as was described in the beginning -- though others may argue that the issue was with "faddism" as the likely motivation behind their lifestyle, rather than with their lifestyle per se.

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