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** It should be considered a case of TechnologyMarchesOn, at the time of the writing a steamboat could be considered the largest vehicle and man-made object, if the story was written in the curent days, a [[NukeEm nuclear weapon]] could be used for the same effect, as written in the [[TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu RPG game]]: ''"So what happens if you nuke Cthulhu? He reforms ten minutes later, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but now]] [[FromBadToWorse he's]] [[InfernalRetaliation radioactive]]!"''
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** It should be considered a case of TechnologyMarchesOn, at the time of the writing a steamboat could be considered the largest vehicle and man-made object, if the story was written in the curent current days, a [[NukeEm nuclear weapon]] could be used for the same effect, as written in the [[TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu RPG game]]: ''"So what happens if you nuke Cthulhu? He reforms ten minutes later, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero but now]] [[FromBadToWorse he's]] [[InfernalRetaliation radioactive]]!"''
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Now Flame Bait and not an example anyway. There's no "implications", Lovecraft was openly racist and the deshumanization of non-white people in the story is very much intentional.
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%%Unfortunate Implications require citation from reputable sources * UnfortunateImplications: Considering at the time of writing, Lovecraft held some questionable views on the subject of race, the story can be seen as fear-mongering about immigration and the influence of foreign aliens on the civilised culture of the pure white race; thematically, Cthulhu himself is a metaphor for said influence, and the only way to curb that influence is to deport him back to where he came from, making it no surprise that Cthulhu is defeated via boat. It certainly doesn't help that all of the 'heroes' of the story are white men of high social stature, while all the cultists are described as "mongrels" or "half-castes" or in terms of racial epithets like "Lascar", "Kanakas" or "Eskimo".
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* UnfortunateImplications: Considering at the time of writing, Lovecraft held some questionable views on the subject of race, the story can be seen as fear-mongering about immigration and the influence of foreign aliens on the civilised culture of the pure white race; thematically, Cthulhu himself is a metaphor for said influence, and the only way to curb that influence is to deport him back to where he came from, making it no surprise that Cthulhu is defeated via boat. It certainly doesn't help that all of the 'heroes' of the story are white men of high social stature, while all the cultists are described as "mongrels" or "half-castes" or in terms of racial epithets like "Lascar", "Kanakas" or "Eskimo".
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%%Unfortunate Implications require citation from reputable sources * UnfortunateImplications: Considering at the time of writing, Lovecraft held some questionable views on the subject of race, the story can be seen as fear-mongering about immigration and the influence of foreign aliens on the civilised culture of the pure white race; thematically, Cthulhu himself is a metaphor for said influence, and the only way to curb that influence is to deport him back to where he came from, making it no surprise that Cthulhu is defeated via boat. It certainly doesn't help that all of the 'heroes' of the story are white men of high social stature, while all the cultists are described as "mongrels" or "half-castes" or in terms of racial epithets like "Lascar", "Kanakas" or "Eskimo".
"Eskimo".
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** The word "cruise ship" evokes very different images these days.
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* {{Narm}}: While the colorful and vividly grotesque descriptions of various nightmares, alien cities and otherworldly horrors are indeed powerful, it loses a bit of its punch when the narrator describes most characters of colour the same way.
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** While the colorful and vividly grotesque descriptions of various nightmares, alien cities and otherworldly horrors are indeed powerful, it loses a bit of its punch when the narrator describes most characters of colour the sameway. way.
** Among the many descriptions of the Old Ones, you wouldn't expect the word ''hilarious'' to appear.
** While the colorful and vividly grotesque descriptions of various nightmares, alien cities and otherworldly horrors are indeed powerful, it loses a bit of its punch when the narrator describes most characters of colour the same
** Among the many descriptions of the Old Ones, you wouldn't expect the word ''hilarious'' to appear.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The return of the Great Old Ones is described as when the earth would "flame with a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom". Post World War II, that line sounds a lot more frightening. (It should be noted that Holocaust before the Nazis meant "burnt offering to God," although it had been used in reference to genocides going back to the early 20th century.)
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* HarsherInHindsight: The return of the Great Old Ones is described as when the earth would "flame with a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom". Post World War II, that line sounds a lot more frightening. (It should be noted that the word Holocaust before the Nazis meant "burnt offering to God," although it had been used in reference to genocides going back to the early 20th century.)
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* HarsherInHindsight: The return of the Great Old Ones is described as when the earth would "flame with a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom". Post World War II, that line sounds a lot more frightening.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The return of the Great Old Ones is described as when the earth would "flame with a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom". Post World War II, that line sounds a lot more frightening. (It should be noted that Holocaust before the Nazis meant "burnt offering to God," although it had been used in reference to genocides going back to the early 20th century.)
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*** "[[''VideoGame/Doom'' That can't be good!]]"
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*** "[[Doom "[[''VideoGame/Doom'' That can't be good!]]"
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*** [[DoomFranchise "That "[[Doom That can't be good!"]]good!]]"
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* ValuesDissonance: The non-white cultists are described in terms that make them sound more like savage animals than human beings. Lovecraft's depiction of the cultists isn't much different than, say, Creator/DWGriffith's perception of "The Negro" in ''Film/TheBirthOfANation1915''.
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* ValuesDissonance: The non-white cultists are described in terms that make them sound more like savage animals than human beings. Lovecraft's depiction of the cultists isn't much different than, say, Creator/DWGriffith's perception of "The Negro" in ''Film/TheBirthOfANation1915''.''Film/TheBirthOfANation1915''.
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* CommonKnowledge: Like many of Lovecraft's creations, Cthulhu was ''never'' portrayed in his stories as a particularly powerful combatant. He was intimidating because of the influence he held, his alien incomprehensibility, his near immortality, and the fact that his mere presence is a BrownNote, not because he could NoSell conventional weapons or end cities by snapping his fingers. He wasn't even one of the stronger Great Old Ones. As a result his depiction here can contrast quite sharply with his image in pop culture.
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* CommonKnowledge: Like many of Lovecraft's creations, Cthulhu was ''never'' portrayed in his stories as a particularly powerful combatant. He was intimidating because of the influence he held, his alien incomprehensibility, his near immortality, and the fact that his mere presence is a BrownNote, not because he could NoSell conventional weapons or end cities by snapping his fingers. He wasn't even one of the stronger Great Old Ones. As a result his depiction here can contrast quite sharply with his image in pop culture. Indeed, of the eight unarmed and unprepared sailors who come across him he only manages to successfully kill three of them.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The return of the Great Old Ones is described as when the earth would "flame with a holocaust of ecstacy and freedom". Post World War II, that line sounds a lot more frightening.
* HilariousInHindsight: The story features a cultist named "Castro." A few years later, Lovecraft would befriend a different expert on lore named [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Danziger_De_Castro Adolphe de Castro]].
* HilariousInHindsight: The story features a cultist named "Castro." A few years later, Lovecraft would befriend a different expert on lore named [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Danziger_De_Castro Adolphe de Castro]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The non-white cultists are described in terms that make them sound more like savage animals than human beings. Lovecraft's depiction of the cultists isn't much different than, say, [[Film/TheBirthOfANation1915 D.W. Griffith's]] perception of "The Negro."
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* ValuesDissonance: The non-white cultists are described in terms that make them sound more like savage animals than human beings. Lovecraft's depiction of the cultists isn't much different than, say, [[Film/TheBirthOfANation1915 D.W. Griffith's]] Creator/DWGriffith's perception of "The Negro."Negro" in ''Film/TheBirthOfANation1915''.
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* {{Narm}}: While the colorful and vividly grotesque descriptions of various nightmares, alien cities and otherworldly horrors are indeed powerful, it loses a bit of its punch when we see the narrator describe almost every non-Caucasian in the exact same way.
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* {{Narm}}: While the colorful and vividly grotesque descriptions of various nightmares, alien cities and otherworldly horrors are indeed powerful, it loses a bit of its punch when we see the narrator describe almost every non-Caucasian in describes most characters of colour the exact same way.
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* MainstreamObscurity: Cthulhu is easily the most well-known of the [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos titular mythos']] entities and as the story where he is first introduced, ''The Call of Cthulhu'' is arguably Lovecraft's most well known work nowadays, but the pool of people who actually know of the story further than the title and that Cthulhu is in it or Cthulhu's actual relevance in the story is much smaller.
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* MainstreamObscurity: Cthulhu is easily the most well-known of the [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos titular mythos']] entities and and, as the story where he is first introduced, ''The Call of Cthulhu'' is arguably Lovecraft's most well known work nowadays, but the pool of people who actually know of the story further than the title and that Cthulhu is in it or Cthulhu's actual relevance in the story is much smaller.
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: Cthulhu is actually one of the only entities Lovecraft himself illustrated, where he (or technically, a statuette of him) is [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Cthulhu_sketch_by_Lovecraft.jpg depicted as having multiple scattered eyes and a very rotund body]]. Almost all fan-art of Cthulhu tends to completely ignore this, usually giving him only with two symmetrical eyes and having a slim or muscular body.
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: Cthulhu is actually one of the only entities Lovecraft himself illustrated, where he (or technically, a statuette of him) is [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Cthulhu_sketch_by_Lovecraft.jpg depicted as having multiple scattered eyes and a very rotund body]]. Almost all fan-art of Cthulhu tends to completely ignore this, usually giving him only with two symmetrical eyes and having a slim or muscular body.
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: Cthulhu is actually one of the only entities Lovecraft himself illustrated, where he (or technically, a statuette of him) is [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Cthulhu_sketch_by_Lovecraft.jpg depicted as having multiple scattered eyes and a very rotund body]]. Almost all fan-art of Cthulhu tends to completely ignore this, usually giving him only with two symmetrical eyes and having a slim or muscular body.
* MainstreamObscurity: Cthulhu is easily the most well-known of the [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos titular mythos']] entities and as the story where he is first introduced, ''The Call of Cthulhu'' is arguably Lovecraft's most well known work nowadays, but the pool of people who actually know of the story further than the title and that Cthulhu is in it or Cthulhu's actual relevance in the story is much smaller.
* MainstreamObscurity: Cthulhu is easily the most well-known of the [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos titular mythos']] entities and as the story where he is first introduced, ''The Call of Cthulhu'' is arguably Lovecraft's most well known work nowadays, but the pool of people who actually know of the story further than the title and that Cthulhu is in it or Cthulhu's actual relevance in the story is much smaller.
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* CommonKnowledge: Like many of Lovecraft's creations, Cthulhu was ''never'' portrayed in his stories as a particularly powerful combatant. He was intimidating because of the influence he held, his alien incomprehensibility, his near immortality, and the fact that his mere presence is a BrownNote, not because he could NoSell conventional weapons or end cities by snapping his fingers. He wasn't even one of the stronger Great Old Ones. As a result his depiction here can contrast quite sharply with his image in pop culture.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Considering at the time of writing, Lovecraft held some questionable views on the subject of race, the story can be seen as fear-mongering about immigration and the influence of foreign aliens on the civilised culture of the pure white race; thematically, Cthulhu himself is a metaphor for said influence, and the only way to curb that influence is to deport him back to where he came from, making it no surprise that Cthulhu is defeated via boat. It certainly doesn't help that all of the "heroes" of the story are white men of high social stature, while all the cultists are described as "mongrels" or "half-castes" or in terms of racial epithets like "Lascar" or "Eskimo".
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* UnfortunateImplications: Considering at the time of writing, Lovecraft held some questionable views on the subject of race, the story can be seen as fear-mongering about immigration and the influence of foreign aliens on the civilised culture of the pure white race; thematically, Cthulhu himself is a metaphor for said influence, and the only way to curb that influence is to deport him back to where he came from, making it no surprise that Cthulhu is defeated via boat. It certainly doesn't help that all of the "heroes" 'heroes' of the story are white men of high social stature, while all the cultists are described as "mongrels" or "half-castes" or in terms of racial epithets like "Lascar" "Lascar", "Kanakas" or "Eskimo".
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* UnfortunateImplications: Considering at the time of writing, Lovecraft held some questionable views on the subject of race, the story can be seen as fear-mongering about immigration and the influence of foreign aliens on the civilised culture of the pure white race; thematically, Cthulhu himself is a metaphor for said influence, and the only way to curb that influence is to deport him back to where he came from, making it no surprise that Cthulhu is defeated via boat. It certainly doesn't help that all of the "heroes" of the story are white men of high social stature, while all the cultists are described as "mongrels" or "half-castes" or in terms of racial epithets like "Lascar" or "Eskimo".