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** Shinobu: Fifth place on the popularity polls while not speaking a single word and getting relatively little screen time is pretty impressive. People who've never seen/read the story but at least recognise her almost always think she's an incredibly important characer simply due to the sheer amount of fan-art she gets (including a lot dedicated to the bathtub scene).

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** Shinobu: Shinobu at the beginning of the series: Fifth place on the popularity polls while not speaking a single word and getting relatively little screen time is pretty impressive. People who've who never seen/read saw/read the story but at least recognise recognised her almost always think she's thought she was an incredibly important characer charatcer simply due to the sheer amount of fan-art she gets got (including a lot dedicated to the bathtub scene).scene). This doesn't applies anymore after Nisemonogatari, since nowadays, Shinobu is a full-fledged heroin instead of a silent supporting character.



* FoeYay: Senjougahara and Keiki. Keiki believes that when they first met, Senjougahara fell in love with him (which she denies). [[spoiler: The Hitagi End arc revealed that he admired and cared about Senjougahara a lot (he destroyed the cult her mother joined and arranged for the divorce, believing it was best for her). His irritation with her boyfriend and her proposition of prostituting herself implies that it's not a platonic love either. Senjougahara admits herself that she came to enjoy their time together and even flirts with him a little (joking about how he must have been excited to have a high school girl at his command and the color of her underwear).]]

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* FoeYay: Senjougahara and Keiki. Keiki Kaiki. Kaiki believes that when they first met, Senjougahara fell in love with him (which she denies). [[spoiler: The Hitagi End arc revealed that he admired and cared about Senjougahara a lot (he destroyed the cult her mother joined and arranged for the divorce, believing it was best for her). His irritation with her boyfriend and her proposition of prostituting herself implies that it's not a platonic love either. Senjougahara admits herself that she came to enjoy their time together and even flirts with him a little (joking about how he must have been excited to have a high school girl at his command and the color of her underwear).]]
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* NeverLiveItDown: No matter what Karen will do in the series in the future, she will be always remembered for the [[IncestSubtext toothbrush scene]].
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', given that they're Creator/StudioShaft's two biggest shows and that Senjougahara and Homura have [[Creator/ChiwaSaito the same seiyuu]].

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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', given that they're Creator/StudioShaft's two biggest shows and that Senjougahara and Homura have [[Creator/ChiwaSaito the same seiyuu]].Japanese voice actress]].

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**Another character to ponder is Koyomi and his motivation to help the people who approach him despite all the physical and verbal abuse he goes through in the process. [[DeathSeeker Why does he keep doing it?]]



* TheWoobie: Once you get past the weird humor and puns, you realize the lives of the girls in this series ''SUCK.''

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* TheWoobie: Once you get past the weird humor and puns, you realize the lives of the girls in this series ''SUCK.''''[[note]]Then there's Koyomi, who's been dismembered, disemboweled, bisected, eviscerated, and MORE all because he wants to help them[[/note]]
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** _______ Circulation[[note]]There are quite a number of videos on the internet which puts raps or other pieces of music to the instrumental and giving it the title of "blank" circulation. This is possibly due to the fact that the instrumental was designed for the rapping in the actual song.[[/note]]
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* FriendlyFandoms: With ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', given that they're Creator/StudioShaft's two biggest shows and that Senjougahara and Homura have [[Creator/ChiwaSaito the same seiyuu]].


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* WatchItForTheMeme: There is a good number of fans who started the series because of either "[[EarWorm Renai Circulation]]" or [[SignatureScene the toothbrush scene]].
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** [[DevelopmentHell KIZU WHEN?!]][[note]]Due the constant delays of the Kizumonogatari movie until it was revealed in 2015 that Shaft was planning to do a trilogy, it was common for the fandom to use images or texts related with the never comming release of Kizumonogatari.[[/note]]

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* TakeThatScrappy: [[TalkToTheFist Senjougahara knocking Oikura out]] in episode 3 of ''Owarimonogatari''. Episode 5 shows just how much damage she did: Oikura had to stay home from school for two days and her face swelled to the point where she couldn't pronounce the "ra" syllable, which might invoke a little sympathy- although, since Oikura did spend about 15 minutes talking shit to Araragi and Senjougahara and even [[ArmorPiercingSlap slapped the latter]], it's hard to argue she didn't get what she deserved.



* TakeThatScrappy: [[TalkToTheFist Senjougahara knocking Oikura out]] in episode 3 of ''Owarimonogatari''. Episode 5 shows just how much damage she did: Oikura had to stay home from school for two days and her face swelled to the point where she couldn't pronounce the "ra" syllable, which might invoke a little sympathy- although, since Oikura did spend about 15 minutes talking shit to Araragi and Senjougahara and even [[ArmorPiercingSlap slapped the latter]], it's hard to argue she didn't get what she deserved.



* UnpopularPopularCharacter: The amount of people who like [[ConMan Kaiki]] InUniverse can be counted on one hand. After the airing of ''Koimonogatari'' he became one of the largest [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] in the fandom.



* UnpopularPopularCharacter: The amount of people who like [[ConMan Kaiki]] InUniverse can be counted on one hand. After the airing of ''Koimonogatari'' he became one of the largest [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] in the fandom.
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** Shinobu: Fifth place on the popularity polls while not speaking a single word and getting relatively little screen time is pretty impressive.

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** Shinobu: Fifth place on the popularity polls while not speaking a single word and getting relatively little screen time is pretty impressive. People who've never seen/read the story but at least recognise her almost always think she's an incredibly important characer simply due to the sheer amount of fan-art she gets (including a lot dedicated to the bathtub scene).

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: There are as many ways to view Kaiki as there are grains of sand on the beach. Is he an amoral, money-grubbing scumbag who is [[ItsAllAboutMe only in it to benefit himself]]? Is he a Robin Hood-like figure who only scams people [[AssholeVictim who really deserve it]]? Is he [[GoodIsNotNice a far jerkier version of Oshino]] who helps people overcome their issues [[ZeroApprovalGambit by giving them someone to hate]]? Is he a MagnificentBastard who masks his true goals with the persona of an amoral ConMan? [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Or is he a little bit of all the above?]]



* InternetBackdraft: Thanks to an anonymous user now called [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin "Gorespammer"]] relentlessly trolling and reverse-trolling the series, it's pretty much impossible to have a serious discussion about it on [[Website/FourChan /a/.]]

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** The infamous [[spoiler:[[TheirFirstTime Walk Her Home Gently]]]] scene from ''Nisemonogatari''. Let's just say that anyone who didn't ship [[spoiler:Senjougahara]] with Araragi was enraged due to the fact that it [[ShipSinking effectively killed every other member of the harem's chances dead in the water]], and even some of her fans wanted [[MyGirlIsNotASlut to keep her pure]] or acknowledged there were better, less-trolling ways to establish the OfficialCouple for good. It doesn't help that the scene [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment is never referenced again]].



* ShipToShipCombat: Surprisingly [[AvertedTrope averted]], considering the [[HaremGenre genre]] of the series. The closest thing the fandom has to this might be Koyomi x some other girl shippers being upset at the [[SpotlightStealingSquad large amount of side materials and fanart]] Senjougahara has dedicated to her.

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* ShipToShipCombat: Surprisingly [[AvertedTrope averted]], considering the [[HaremGenre genre]] of the series. The closest thing the fandom has to this might be Koyomi x some other girl shippers being upset at the [[SpotlightStealingSquad large amount of side materials and fanart]] Senjougahara has dedicated to her. [[InternetBackdraft That was, until Nise...]]
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** [[http://a.cuntflaps.me/ptyfmiv.webm The samurai's laugh]] in Episode 7 of ''Owarimonogatari'' sounds like a rejected [[WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory Mandark laugh]]. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ZVpUqvKh8 Koyomi's imitation]], on the other hand, [[Funny/{{Bakemonogatari}} is actually pretty funny to listen to]].

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* AmericansHateTingle: Nadeko Sengoku is beloved in Japan. In the West, however, she's a BaseBreaker, almost bordering on [[TheScrappy scrappydom]] [[spoiler:after the events of ''Otorimonogatari'']].



* BaseBreaker: Senjougahara is a big one. While she has a huge amount of fans, there are quite a lot who don't like her, mainly [[ShipToShipCombat fans of other girls]]. This can mainly be attributed to the fact that she and Araragi have been the OfficialCouple [[UpToEleven since the first book in the series]] and show no signs of breaking up anytime soon, which understandably upsets fans of other girls because even though they may get ShipTease with Araragi, Senjougahara's presence gives them almost no chance of actually getting with him. Even though she has gone through CharacterDevelopment since ''Nisemonogatari'', a lot of those same fans [[NeverLiveItDown refuse to look past her borderline sociopathic personality in the first arc]] and refer to her and Araragi's dynamic as resembling StockholmSyndrome rather than a normal, well-adjusted romantic relationship. [[spoiler:Oh boy, and you can bet those fans were rustled when it was all but said Senjougahara HAD SEX WITH Araragi in ''Nisemonogatari''...]]

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* BaseBreaker: Senjougahara is a big one. While she has a huge amount of fans, there are quite a lot who don't like her, mainly [[ShipToShipCombat fans of other girls]]. This can mainly be attributed to the fact that she and Araragi have been the OfficialCouple [[UpToEleven since the first book in the series]] and show no signs of breaking up anytime soon, soon or even having any relationship instability, which understandably upsets fans of other girls because even though they may get ShipTease with Araragi, Senjougahara's presence gives them almost no chance of actually getting with him. Even though she has gone through CharacterDevelopment since ''Nisemonogatari'', a lot of those same fans [[NeverLiveItDown refuse to look past her borderline sociopathic personality in the first arc]] and refer to her and Araragi's dynamic as resembling StockholmSyndrome rather than a normal, well-adjusted romantic relationship. [[spoiler:Oh boy, and you can bet those fans were rustled when it was all but said Senjougahara HAD SEX WITH Araragi in ''Nisemonogatari''...]]
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** Sodachi Oikura probably beat both Kaiki and the kid from ''Koimonogatari'' in the instant hatedom department. At first, she only copped heat from [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ougi]] fans who were worried she would take screentime away from their favorite character, but following episode 3 of ''Owarimonogatari'', where her character arc begins, there was hardly a fan who didn't despise her, mainly due to her completely unwarranted bitchy attitude towards Araragi. The hate softened a bit after Hanekawa and Araragi's visit to her house, [[BrokenBird where she's just too pitiful to hate]]. It helps that she took responsibility for her actions and her backstory was revealed: [[spoiler:She probably has had the most severe TraumaCongaLine out of everyone in the cast, including outright AttemptedSuicide]]. She's still a BaseBreaker due to meta reasons, but she's getting a great deal more sympathy than she got at the beginning. Interestingly, [[IntendedAudienceReaction it seems that Nisio Isin intentionally set her up to be a]] [[TheScrappy Scrappy]], what with her receiving a TakeThatScrappy in the same first episode of her arc mentioned above.

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** Sodachi Oikura probably beat both Kaiki and the kid from ''Koimonogatari'' in the instant hatedom department. At first, she only copped heat from [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ougi]] fans who were worried she would take screentime away from their favorite character, but following episode 3 of ''Owarimonogatari'', where her character arc begins, there was hardly a fan who didn't despise her, mainly due to her completely unwarranted bitchy attitude towards Araragi. The hate softened a bit after Hanekawa and Araragi's visit to her house, [[BrokenBird where she's just too pitiful to hate]]. It helps that she took responsibility for her actions and her backstory was revealed: [[spoiler:She probably has had the most severe TraumaCongaLine out of everyone in the cast, including outright AttemptedSuicide]]. She's AttemptedSuicide and ''taking care of her mother's dead body'' because the death {{br|eakTheCutie}}oke her ''that much'']]. Creator/MarinaInoue's heartfelt monologue was a big help, and within hours of that episode's airing, the hate for her switched to sympathy and schadenfreude. In fact, it reached the point where many in the fandom poured hate on Senjougahara because [[spoiler:she accepted Oikura's apology in a rather backhanded, arrogant manner and refused to apologize for hitting her]]. Nonetheless, she's still a BaseBreaker due to meta reasons, reasons and the fact that [[NeverLiveItDown some fans still can't forgive her for her earlier actions]], but she's getting a great deal more sympathy than she got at the beginning. Interestingly, [[IntendedAudienceReaction it seems that Nisio Isin intentionally set her up to be a]] [[TheScrappy Scrappy]], what with her receiving a TakeThatScrappy in the same first episode of her arc mentioned above.beginning.
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** And now Kaiki is one too, following the massive amount of CharacterDevelopment he got in ''Koimonogatari''.

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** And now Kaiki is one too, following the massive amount of CharacterDevelopment he got in ''Koimonogatari''.
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** Nadeko: [[http://www.thebanzaieffect.com/articles/tanaka-kun/which-bakemonogatari-characters-the-best/ Recent character popularity polls]] has confirmed that she is currently the most popular character of this show, despite her arc is the shortest among other sub-heroines.
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* ContestedSequel: Many who enjoyed ''Bakemonogatari'' have expressed distaste for ''Nisemonogatari'', thanks to it dialing the {{Fanservice}} UpToEleven. In addition, the pacing also drew flak, with the "Karen Bee" arc [[{{Padding}} being drawn out over 7 episodes]]. ''Nekomonogatari: Kuro'' got the fans back on track, and ''Monogatari Series Second Season'' seems to have fully [[WinBackTheCrowd Won Back the Crowd]].

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** Bakemonogatari is a slideshow.

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** Bakemonogatari is a slideshow.[[note]]The show's frequent use of still frames, especially during dialogue, lead to many people jokingly claiming this.[[/note]]


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** The toothbrush scene. Everything about the toothbrush scene. [[note]]Nisemonogatari somehow managed to make a person brushing another's teeth very erotic and a metaphor for sex. Often brought up as the height of the Monogatari series's weirdness.[[/note]]
** Spooky Ougi[[note]]Describing Ougi as such became very popular, particularly around Owarimonogatari's release, due to her bizarre character design and odd mannerisms.[[/note]]
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* BaseBreaker: Senjougahara is a big one. While she has a huge amount of fans, there are quite a lot who don't like her, mainly [[ShipToShipCombat fans of other girls]]. This can mainly be attributed to the fact that she and Araragi have been the OfficialCouple [[UpToEleven since the first book in the series]] and show no signs of breaking up anytime soon, which understandably upsets fans of other girls because even though they may get ShipTease with Araragi, Senjougahara's presence gives them almost no chance of actually getting with him. Even though she has gone through CharacterDevelopment since ''Nisemonogatari'', a lot of those same fans [[NeverLiveItDown refuse to look past her borderline sociopathic personality in the first arc]] and refer to her and Araragi's dynamic as resembling StockholmSyndrome rather than a normal, well-adjusted romantic relationship. [[spoiler:Oh boy, and you can bet those fans were rustled when it was all but said Senjougahara HAD SEX WITH Araragi in ''Nisemonogatari''...]]
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** [[CreepyChild Ougi Oshino]] has become one for ''Owarimonogatari'', due to her [[UglyCute unconventional character design]] and love of the BreakingSpeech.


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** Sodachi Oikura probably beat both Kaiki and the kid from ''Koimonogatari'' in the instant hatedom department. At first, she only copped heat from [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ougi]] fans who were worried she would take screentime away from their favorite character, but following episode 3 of ''Owarimonogatari'', where her character arc begins, there was hardly a fan who didn't despise her, mainly due to her completely unwarranted bitchy attitude towards Araragi. The hate softened a bit after Hanekawa and Araragi's visit to her house, [[BrokenBird where she's just too pitiful to hate]]. It helps that she took responsibility for her actions and her backstory was revealed: [[spoiler:She probably has had the most severe TraumaCongaLine out of everyone in the cast, including outright AttemptedSuicide]]. She's still a BaseBreaker due to meta reasons, but she's getting a great deal more sympathy than she got at the beginning. Interestingly, [[IntendedAudienceReaction it seems that Nisio Isin intentionally set her up to be a]] [[TheScrappy Scrappy]], what with her receiving a TakeThatScrappy in the same first episode of her arc mentioned above.
* TakeThatScrappy: [[TalkToTheFist Senjougahara knocking Oikura out]] in episode 3 of ''Owarimonogatari''. Episode 5 shows just how much damage she did: Oikura had to stay home from school for two days and her face swelled to the point where she couldn't pronounce the "ra" syllable, which might invoke a little sympathy- although, since Oikura did spend about 15 minutes talking shit to Araragi and Senjougahara and even [[ArmorPiercingSlap slapped the latter]], it's hard to argue she didn't get what she deserved.
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* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Fans have theorized that all the oddities simply stand in for otherwise mundane life problems; the ones with the most merit are Hitagi's (her "weightlessness" being caused by an eating disorder), Suruga's (well, extreme jealousy, that's barely a stretch there) and Hanekawa's (her problem could disassociative, multiple personality, or bipolar disorder, depending on the interpretation of Black Hanekawa and the Tiger; it might even just be normal lashing out from stress). Nadeko would be "constricted" by the thoughts and actions of the jealous and spiteful, and Mayoi could be the AdultFear of a child lost forever.

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* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Fans have theorized that all the oddities simply stand in for otherwise mundane life problems; the ones with the most merit are Hitagi's (her "weightlessness" being caused by an eating disorder), disorder--it's noted, for example, that she has become much more attractive in the past few years), Suruga's (well, extreme jealousy, that's barely a stretch there) and Hanekawa's (her problem could disassociative, multiple personality, or bipolar disorder, depending on the interpretation of Black Hanekawa and the Tiger; it might even just be normal lashing out from stress). Nadeko would be "constricted" by the thoughts and actions of the jealous and spiteful, and Mayoi could be the AdultFear of a child lost forever.
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Misuse. It\'s Genre Savvy, not just \"savvy\".


** Well, yeah. Though [[BlatantLies not really a harem anime]], it has one guy and a bunch of girls, all of whom fall into traditional moe characterizations. In fact, some of the more GenreSavvy characters make fun of it, like Oshino's habit of calling Senjogahara {{Tsundere}}.

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** Well, yeah. Though [[BlatantLies not really a harem anime]], it has one guy and a bunch of girls, all of whom fall into traditional moe characterizations. In fact, some of the more GenreSavvy observant characters make fun of it, like Oshino's habit of calling Senjogahara {{Tsundere}}.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many people hated Kaiki because he was the cause of the divorce of Senjougahara's parents, without mentioning that he caused the majority of the problems in Nisemonogatari (poisoning Karen with the fire bee and selling information about Tsukihi to Kagenui) and that he indirectly caused the events of Nadeko Snake. Then Koimonogatari was released and with the revealed of his true intentions and personality and the fact that [[spoiler: he defeats God Nadeko succesfully using only words]], he turned into one of the most popular characters of the series.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many people hated Kaiki because he was the cause of the divorce of Senjougahara's parents, without mentioning that he caused the majority of the problems in Nisemonogatari (poisoning Karen with the fire bee and selling information about Tsukihi to Kagenui) and that he indirectly caused the events of Nadeko Snake. Then Koimonogatari was released and with the revealed reveal of his true intentions and personality and the fact that [[spoiler: he defeats God Nadeko succesfully using only words]], he turned into one of the most popular characters of the series.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many people hated Kaiki because he was the cause of the divorce of Senjougahara's parents, without mentioning that he caused the majority of the problems in Nisemonogatari (poisoning Karen with the fire bee and selling information about Tsukihi to Kagenui) and that he indirectly caused the events of Nadeko Snake. Then Koimonogatari was released and with the revealed of his true intentions and personality and the fact that [[spoiler]]he defeats God Nadeko succesfully using only words[[/spoiler]], he turned into one of the most popular characters of the series.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many people hated Kaiki because he was the cause of the divorce of Senjougahara's parents, without mentioning that he caused the majority of the problems in Nisemonogatari (poisoning Karen with the fire bee and selling information about Tsukihi to Kagenui) and that he indirectly caused the events of Nadeko Snake. Then Koimonogatari was released and with the revealed of his true intentions and personality and the fact that [[spoiler]]he [[spoiler: he defeats God Nadeko succesfully using only words[[/spoiler]], words]], he turned into one of the most popular characters of the series.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many people hated Kaiki because he was the cause of the divorce of Senjougahara's parents, without mentioning that he caused the majority of the problems in Nisemonogatari (poisoning Karen with the fire bee and selling information about Tsukihi to Kagenui) and that he indirectly caused the events of Nadeko Snake. Then Koimonogatari was released and with the revealed of his true intentions and personality and the fact that [[spoiler]he defeats GodNadeko succesfully using only words[[/spoiler]], he turned into one of the most popular characters of the series.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many people hated Kaiki because he was the cause of the divorce of Senjougahara's parents, without mentioning that he caused the majority of the problems in Nisemonogatari (poisoning Karen with the fire bee and selling information about Tsukihi to Kagenui) and that he indirectly caused the events of Nadeko Snake. Then Koimonogatari was released and with the revealed of his true intentions and personality and the fact that [[spoiler]he [[spoiler]]he defeats GodNadeko God Nadeko succesfully using only words[[/spoiler]], he turned into one of the most popular characters of the series.

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* MemeticMutation: Bakemonogatari is a slideshow.

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** Kaiki is best girl [[note]]Due to Kaiki's awesome role in Koimonogatari, his popularity increased greatly, generating him a great legion of fans, with many of them calling him "his waifu" and "the purest girl of the cast".[[/note]]


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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Many people hated Kaiki because he was the cause of the divorce of Senjougahara's parents, without mentioning that he caused the majority of the problems in Nisemonogatari (poisoning Karen with the fire bee and selling information about Tsukihi to Kagenui) and that he indirectly caused the events of Nadeko Snake. Then Koimonogatari was released and with the revealed of his true intentions and personality and the fact that [[spoiler]he defeats GodNadeko succesfully using only words[[/spoiler]], he turned into one of the most popular characters of the series.
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* TheScrappy: The middle school boy from ''Koimonogatari'' only appears on-screen for about [[OneSceneWonder five minutes]] and doesn't even have a name, yet the fandom LOATHES him. Although when you consider he [[spoiler:cursed Nadeko Sengoku, nearly killing her, over something as petty as a rejection]] and [[spoiler:tried to beat [[EnsembleDarkhorse Kaiki]] [[DisproportionateRetribution to death with a baseball bat]] [[InsaneTrollLogic because being the source of the cursing charms apparently means he's the one at fault when they are used improperly]]]]. It didn't help that this moment followed [[spoiler:Kaiki's]] CharacterDevelopment and was seen as a pointless ShootTheShaggyDog by the fans.
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This is not a YMMV trope, nor is it an out of universe one.


* HateAtFirstSight: The middle school kid who [[spoiler:cursed Nadeko with a demon snake [[DisproportionateRetribution for rejecting him off-screen]]]] was not well-liked already. Then he makes his on-screen debut in ''Koimonogatari'' by [[spoiler:[[NeverMyFault blaming Kaiki for getting the curse reflected back onto him]] before apparently ''beating him to death''.]] Considering how popular [[spoiler:Kaiki]] became during that arc, suffice to say the fanbase was not happy. [[spoiler:Doesn't help that he was quite a {{Hypocrite}}; Kaiki was the one who introduced the snake charms to the kids, but his curse was purely a case of HoistByHisOwnPetard.]]
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** Mayoi's fanbase was proven right when [[spoiler:Nadeko became a snake god out of jealousy]]. Unfortunately for them, [[spoiler:Mayoi has passed on]].
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* HateAtFirstSight: The middle school kid who [[spoiler:cursed Nadeko with a demon snake [[DisproportionateRetribution for rejecting him off-screen]]]] was not well-liked already. Then he makes his on-screen debut in ''Koimonogatari'' by [[spoiler:[[NeverMyFault blaming Kaiki for getting the curse reflected back onto him]] before apparently ''beating him to death''.]] Considering how popular [[spoiler:Kaiki]] became during that arc, suffice to say the fanbase was not happy. [[spoiler:Doesn't help that he was quite a {{Hypocrite}}; Kaiki was the one who introduced the snake charms to the kids, but his curse was purely a case of HoistByHisOwnPetard.]]

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