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It was alluded to by Major Briggs and all the Project Bluebook references in the late 2nd season.

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It was alluded to by Major Briggs and all the Project Bluebook references in the late 2nd season.
season. Confirmed by WordOfGod as alien sightings play an ''enormous'' role in ''The Secret History of Twin Peaks'' book.
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[[WMG: Agent Cooper is actually D.B. Cooper]]

*Cooper's full name is actually Dale Bartholomew Cooper. While Creator/DavidLynch did this intentionally as an allusion, there could be a possibility that the two men are the same person. Also, D.B. Cooper had parachuted out of the plane he hijacked over the Pacific Northwest, so it can be assumed that maybe he landed near Twin Peaks? The report regarding the hijacking case described a man who fit a description similar to that of Agent Cooper in the series. It is also implied throughout the series that Coop has a darker side than we're shown as an audience, and had the show continued, it probably would have explored that. This is David Lynch, after all, so the possibility of the two being the same person is definitely there.
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** She will play a new victim murdered in an identical manner to Laura, whose death will spark off the events of the new series, and who will act as a reference to both Laura and Lilly.

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** She will play a new victim murdered in an identical manner to Laura, whose death will spark off the events of the new series, and who will act as a reference to both Laura and Lilly.Lilly.

[[WMG:Dale Cooper never sent any of his tapes to "Diane", because throughout his investigations, there is no Diane working back at his FBI office.]]
He once knew someone named Diane, possibly romantically, and/or as an actual assistant, but she is actually deceased, and his tapes are used purely for his own notes, not two-way communication. He addresses everything to Diane conversationally because he feels better doing it that way. This is why his notes include all sorts of job-irrelevant minutia about every little aspect of his daily experiences. Whether or not Dale is psychologically aware of the truth of this situation, or perhaps thinks Diane really is back at the office helping him, is unclear. Whether or not her spirit is helping him in dreams/in the various metaphysical realms he may or may not be traveling through is, also, unclear.
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Possesses people? Check. Sadistic and evil? Check. Operates in dimensions + abilities outside human comprehension and what should be possible? Check.

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Possesses people? Check. Sadistic and evil? Check. Operates in dimensions + abilities outside human comprehension and what should be possible? Check.Check.

[[WMG: Creator/AmandaSeyfried's character will be closely linked to Laura Palmer in some way.]]
Seyfried's character in ''Series/VeronicaMars'', Lilly Kane, is a pretty explicit homage to Laura Palmer: like Laura, she's the most popular girl in school whose perfect outer life is gradually revealed to hide some very grim secrets; her best friend and her boyfriend fall in love with one another while solving her murder; she frequently appears as an apparition to the show's main detective; and she was murdered [[spoiler:by a father figure who was sexually exploiting her]]. Now that Seyfried has been added to the roster of guest stars due to appear in 2017's ''Twin Peaks'' reboot, it seems like a perfect opportunity for a CastingGag that will homage the homage (which seems like something David Lynch would do). Some possible theories to get the ball rolling:
** She will play the version of Laura who is presumably still in the Black Lodge, since it makes sense that Laura would still appear to be roughly the age she was when she died; Sheryl Lee, meanwhile, will actually play another character altogether, possibly [[BlondeBrunetteRedhead the redheaded cousin of Laura and Maddy]] who WordOfGod has stated was to be Lee's character in Season 3.
** She will play a child Laura had in secret and gave up for adoption prior to the events of ''Fire Walk With Me''.
** She will play a new victim murdered in an identical manner to Laura, whose death will spark off the events of the new series, and who will act as a reference to both Laura and Lilly.
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Without avatars to project their influence through, things start getting weird. Instead of only a couple of people with ties to the powers of good and evil, now the powers seem to "leak" out into the world. This brings us to {{Twin Peaks}}. The black lodge has Killer BOB, the white lodge has (perhaps) the giant. The two lodges try to influence people in the real world using dreams. Windom Earl, a truly evil soul, is being contacted by the black lodge. The hope to use him as their pseudo-avatar. Likewise, agent Cooper is being contacted by the white lodge, who need a truly good soul to defeat evil. The show was cancelled before this could be resolved, and the series ends with Cooper trapped (perhaps forever) in the black lodge.

As {{David Lynch}} has confirmed that {{Lost Highway}} takes place in the Twin Peaks universe, and since {{Mulholland Drive}} was originally meant to be a spinoff for Audrey, it can be assumed that these two movies play by the same rules. People are influenced by the two lodges, each trying to gain a foothold in reality without the use of a proper Avatar. As Mulholland Drive is revealed [[spoiler: to be mostly a dream meant to cover up the main character's murder of her lover]], this could be either the white lodge trying to make her face what she's done, or the black lodge trying to make her forget about it and join them. Similarly, many parts of Lost Highway can be explained as visions from the lodges, the Mystery Man being a creature similar to Killer BOB, etc.

It must be remembered that time moves differently in the lodges than on our plane of reality. In the Twin Peaks prequel movie, Laura is warned about events that won't happen until the series proper. With that in mind, let's take a look at events that happened in Middlesex, Virginia. The year is 1988, and {{Donnie Darko}} is a troubled teenager who frequently sleepwalks. He also has vivid dreams. One day, a vision of Frank the rabbit tells him to leave his room. Donnie does so, and his bed is then destroyed by a mysterious falling airplane turbine. Donnie is told that he has 28 days to prevent the world from being destroyed. Clearly, the white lodge is using Frank as it's voice to help Donnie save the world. In the [[{{recut}} director's cut]], Donnie is often seen to "download" information, with close-ups of his eye and many numbers and images flashing by. The Word of God on this is that the information is coming from unseen beings from the future. In actual fact, this is the White Lodge giving Donnie info on future events which he needs to prevent. The story of Donnie Darko plays out over the course of about a month, before Donnie travels back in time and saves the world by letting the airplane turbine kill him instead of leaving his bed. The events that took place during most of the movie end up never happening. They were erased from existence. Of course, the two lodges still remember them, as they exist outside of normal time.

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Without avatars to project their influence through, things start getting weird. Instead of only a couple of people with ties to the powers of good and evil, now the powers seem to "leak" out into the world. This brings us to {{Twin Series/{{Twin Peaks}}. The black lodge has Killer BOB, the white lodge has (perhaps) the giant. The two lodges try to influence people in the real world using dreams. Windom Earl, a truly evil soul, is being contacted by the black lodge. The hope to use him as their pseudo-avatar. Likewise, agent Cooper is being contacted by the white lodge, who need a truly good soul to defeat evil. The show was cancelled before this could be resolved, and the series ends with Cooper trapped (perhaps forever) in the black lodge.

As {{David Creator/{{David Lynch}} has confirmed that {{Lost Film/{{Lost Highway}} takes place in the Twin Peaks universe, and since {{Mulholland Film/{{Mulholland Drive}} was originally meant to be a spinoff for Audrey, it can be assumed that these two movies play by the same rules. People are influenced by the two lodges, each trying to gain a foothold in reality without the use of a proper Avatar. As Mulholland Drive is revealed [[spoiler: to be mostly a dream meant to cover up the main character's murder of her lover]], this could be either the white lodge trying to make her face what she's done, or the black lodge trying to make her forget about it and join them. Similarly, many parts of Lost Highway can be explained as visions from the lodges, the Mystery Man being a creature similar to Killer BOB, etc.

It must be remembered that time moves differently in the lodges than on our plane of reality. In the Twin Peaks prequel movie, Laura is warned about events that won't happen until the series proper. With that in mind, let's take a look at events that happened in Middlesex, Virginia. The year is 1988, and {{Donnie Film/{{Donnie Darko}} is a troubled teenager who frequently sleepwalks. He also has vivid dreams. One day, a vision of Frank the rabbit tells him to leave his room. Donnie does so, and his bed is then destroyed by a mysterious falling airplane turbine. Donnie is told that he has 28 days to prevent the world from being destroyed. Clearly, the white lodge is using Frank as it's voice to help Donnie save the world. In the [[{{recut}} director's cut]], Donnie is often seen to "download" information, with close-ups of his eye and many numbers and images flashing by. The Word of God on this is that the information is coming from unseen beings from the future. In actual fact, this is the White Lodge giving Donnie info on future events which he needs to prevent. The story of Donnie Darko plays out over the course of about a month, before Donnie travels back in time and saves the world by letting the airplane turbine kill him instead of leaving his bed. The events that took place during most of the movie end up never happening. They were erased from existence. Of course, the two lodges still remember them, as they exist outside of normal time.
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* She made an awfully big show of making sure [[spoiler: Andrew and Pete]] knew where the key to the safety deposit box was. It is possible she took whatever had been put into Thomas Eckhart's deposit box for herself and planted a bomb in it, knowing that [[spoiler: Andrew]] would take the key and check it out himself. She may or may not have anticipated [[spoiler: Pete]] going with him.

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* She made an awfully big show of making sure [[spoiler: Andrew and Pete]] knew where the key to the safety deposit box was. It is possible she took whatever had been put into Thomas Eckhart's deposit box for herself and planted a bomb in it, knowing that [[spoiler: Andrew]] would take the key and check it out himself. She may or may not have anticipated [[spoiler: Pete]] going with him.him.

[[WMG: Killer BOB is an avatar of [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos Nyarlathotep]].]]
Possesses people? Check. Sadistic and evil? Check. Operates in dimensions + abilities outside human comprehension and what should be possible? Check.
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* BOB and The Man From Another Place still harbor the same connection on some level, which is why the latter demands his [[PerfectlyCromulentWord garmonbozia]] in ''Main/FireWalkWithMe''.

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* BOB and The Man From Another Place still harbor the same connection on some level, which is why the latter demands his [[PerfectlyCromulentWord garmonbozia]] in ''Main/FireWalkWithMe''.''Film/TwinPeaksFireWalkWithMe''.
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[[WMG: The events of the series was a back-up plan by [[DigimonWonderswanSeries ZeedMillenniumon]].]]

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[[WMG: The events of the series was a back-up plan by [[DigimonWonderswanSeries [[VideoGame/DigimonWonderswanSeries ZeedMillenniumon]].]]
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[[WMG: Catherine Martell planted the bomb that killed Andrew Packard and her husband]]
* She made an awfully big show of making sure Andrew and Pete knew where the key to the safety deposit box was. It is possible she took whatever had been put into Thomas Eckhart's deposit box for herself and planted a bomb in it, knowing that Andrew would take the key and check it out himself. She may or may not have anticipated Pete going with him.

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[[WMG: Catherine Martell planted the bomb that [[spoiler: killed Andrew Packard and her husband]]
husband]]]]
* She made an awfully big show of making sure [[spoiler: Andrew and Pete Pete]] knew where the key to the safety deposit box was. It is possible she took whatever had been put into Thomas Eckhart's deposit box for herself and planted a bomb in it, knowing that Andrew [[spoiler: Andrew]] would take the key and check it out himself. She may or may not have anticipated Pete [[spoiler: Pete]] going with him.
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There's definitely a peak in season 1. Not sure about season 2, but if not that, then maybe the other peak will be in season 3.

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There's definitely a peak in season 1. Not sure about season 2, but if not that, then maybe the other peak will be in season 3.3.

[[WMG: Catherine Martell planted the bomb that killed Andrew Packard and her husband]]
*She made an awfully big show of making sure Andrew and Pete knew where the key to the safety deposit box was. It is possible she took whatever had been put into Thomas Eckhart's deposit box for herself and planted a bomb in it, knowing that Andrew would take the key and check it out himself. She may or may not have anticipated Pete going with him.
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* BOB and The Man From Another Place still harbor the same connection on some level, which is why the latter demands his [[PerfectlyCromulentWord garmonbozia]] in ''Film/FireWalkWithMe''.

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* BOB and The Man From Another Place still harbor the same connection on some level, which is why the latter demands his [[PerfectlyCromulentWord garmonbozia]] in ''Film/FireWalkWithMe''.''Main/FireWalkWithMe''.
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* She has a big crush on Cooper and considers him a friend and he disappears for 25 years? I think that could inspire someone to join the FBI to search for answers.

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* She has a big crush on Cooper and considers him a friend and he disappears for 25 years? I think that could inspire someone to join the FBI to search for answers.answers.

[[WMG: The "Peaks" in the title refer to two peaks within the show in terms of enjoyment.]]
There's definitely a peak in season 1. Not sure about season 2, but if not that, then maybe the other peak will be in season 3.

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[[WMG: In the miniseries, Donna will be an FBI agent ]]

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[[WMG: In the miniseries, Donna Audrey will be an FBI agent ]]]]
* She has a big crush on Cooper and considers him a friend and he disappears for 25 years? I think that could inspire someone to join the FBI to search for answers.
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* In the miniseries Donna will be an FBI agent.

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* [[WMG: In the miniseries miniseries, Donna will be an FBI agent.agent ]]
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* Mrs. Chalfont/Mrs. Tremond/Grandmother is likewise a dugpa of the Black Lodge, and her "Grandson" is her Familiar, hence why/how he's able to snatch the cream corn(?) away.

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* Mrs. Chalfont/Mrs. Tremond/Grandmother is likewise a dugpa of the Black Lodge, and her "Grandson" is her Familiar, hence why/how he's able to snatch the cream corn(?) away.away.
* In the miniseries Donna will be an FBI agent.
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In the "Above the Convenience Store" scene, we see the "formica table" with a circle cut out of the tabletop as the Little Man From Another Place rubs his hands over it, before he says to BOB, "With this ring, I thee wed" and they both laugh. This indicates to me that the ring has a Black Lodge, not White origin. It does seem to prevent the wearer from being possessed, but it also seems to doom them to death with the resulting garmonbozia (pain and suffering) becoming the property of the Little Man From Another Place (The Arm of MIKE). When Laura puts the ring on, BOB does shout in frustration (with Leland saying "don't make me do this!"), but we see clips of the Little Man laughing hysterically, as if he has won the game.

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In *Likewise, in the "Above the Convenience Store" scene, we see the "formica table" with a circle cut out of the tabletop as the Little Man From Another Place rubs his hands over it, before he says to BOB, "With this ring, I thee wed" and they both laugh. This indicates to me that the ring has a Black Lodge, not White origin. It does seem to prevent the wearer from being possessed, but it also seems to doom them to death with the resulting garmonbozia (pain and suffering) becoming the property of the Little Man From Another Place (The Arm of MIKE). When Laura puts the ring on, BOB does shout in frustration (with Leland saying "don't make me do this!"), but we see clips of the Little Man laughing hysterically, as if he has won the game.

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But in the "Above the Convenience Store" scene, we see the "formica table" with a circle cut out of the tabletop as the Little Man From Another Place rubs his hands over it, before he says to BOB, "With this ring, I thee wed" and they both laugh. This indicates to me that the ring has a Black Lodge, not White origin. It does seem to prevent the wearer from being possessed, but it also seems to doom them to death with the resulting garmonbozia (pain and suffering) becoming the property of the Little Man From Another Place (The Arm of MIKE). When Laura puts the ring on, BOB does shout in frustration (with Leland saying "don't make me do this!"), but we see clips of the Little Man laughing hysterically, as if he has won the game.

Also, Judy is described in ways by Philip Jeffries and the hotel staff in Buenos Aires in terms that seem to indicate she is a real person rather than a Lodge spirit, an informant for Jeffries of some kind, with a place in Seattle where he "found something" which resulted in him going to one of their meetings "above the convenience store".


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*But in The Missing Pieces, Judy is described by Philip Jeffries and the hotel staff in Buenos Aires in terms that seem to indicate she is a real person rather than a Lodge spirit, an informant for Jeffries of some kind, with a place in Seattle where he "found something" which resulted in him going to one of their meetings "above the convenience store".

In the "Above the Convenience Store" scene, we see the "formica table" with a circle cut out of the tabletop as the Little Man From Another Place rubs his hands over it, before he says to BOB, "With this ring, I thee wed" and they both laugh. This indicates to me that the ring has a Black Lodge, not White origin. It does seem to prevent the wearer from being possessed, but it also seems to doom them to death with the resulting garmonbozia (pain and suffering) becoming the property of the Little Man From Another Place (The Arm of MIKE). When Laura puts the ring on, BOB does shout in frustration (with Leland saying "don't make me do this!"), but we see clips of the Little Man laughing hysterically, as if he has won the game.
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But in the "Above the Convenience Store" scene, we see the "formica table" with a circle cut out of the tabletop as the Little Man From Another Place rubs his hands over it, before he says to BOB, "With this ring, I thee wed" and they both laugh. This indicates to me that the ring has a Black Lodge, not White origin. It does seem to prevent the wearer from being possessed, but it also seems to doom them to death with the resulting garmonbozia (pain and suffering) becoming the property of the Little Man From Another Place (The Arm of MIKE). When Laura puts the ring on, BOB does shout in frustration (with Leland saying "don't make me do this!"), but we see clips of the Little Man laughing hysterically, as if he has won the game.

Also, Judy is described in ways by Philip Jeffries and the hotel staff in Buenos Aires in terms that seem to indicate she is a real person rather than a Lodge spirit, an informant for Jeffries of some kind, with a place in Seattle where he "found something" which resulted in him going to one of their meetings "above the convenience store".
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JUDY may be the angel who visited Laura and Ronette.

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JUDY may be the angel who visited Laura and Ronette.
Ronette, or the angel could be her familiar, as BOB once was to MIKE.
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[[WMG: "Judy" is the original owner of Theresa Banks' ring]]

David Bowie continually refers to a "Judy" in Fire Walk With Me, but we never find out who "Judy" is. He is also aware of the ring, and the spirits of the Black Lodge.

The ring is an artifact from the White Lodge, and Judy was either its creator, or original owner. Judy--or JUDY, in keeping with the capslock motif--is the White Lodge equivalent of MIKE; perhaps MIKE (who repented of his evil) was her shadow-self. She may have a familiar, akin to BOB. That MIKE has the ring before the series' timeframe could illustrate this connection.

JUDY may be the angel who visited Laura and Ronette.
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* In The Missing Pieces, the same scene between Coop and The Man From Another Place plays out, except this time, the ring is not there. Cooper notices its absence, and is told that it's in someone else's (Annie's) possession. Because of the nature of the Lodge, both versions of the scene happen simultaneously. Cooper tells Laura not to take the ring, because if she had it, she wouldn't be able to give it to Annie, and Annie would be vulnerable to BOB. Cooper realizes the paradox, and believes that Laura will die regardless of whether or not she takes the ring. But, if she does, Annie won't have it to protect herself from BOB. So he urges her to leave it where it is, knowing that events will work out anyway.

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* In The Missing Pieces, the same scene between Coop and The Man From Another Place plays out, except this time, the ring is not there. Cooper notices its absence, and is told that it's in someone else's (Annie's) possession. Because of the nature of the Lodge, both versions of the scene happen simultaneously. Cooper tells Laura not to take the ring, because if she had it, it in the past, she wouldn't be able to give it to Annie, Annie in the future, and Annie would be vulnerable to BOB. Cooper realizes the paradox, and believes that Laura will die regardless of whether or not she takes the ring. But, if she does, does take it, Annie won't have it to protect herself from BOB. So he urges her to leave it where it is, knowing that events will work out anyway.
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[[WMG: Theresa Banks' ring is the only thing in the series which can counter BOB]]

BOB's plan in kidnapping Laura and Ronette seems to be to torture Laura into letting him take control of her body, perhaps casting off Leland after. When MIKE throws her the ring, and she puts it on, BOB howls in frustration and murders her. This suggests that the ring can protect the wearer from being possessed by BOB somehow. Its origins and purpose are mysterious--it may be related to the White Lodge--and would likely have been explored had there been any continuation of the series beyond Fire Walk With Me. A rough theory:

* Theresa Banks has possession of the ring before the start of the series. Leland singles her out in Flesh World to sleep with. BOB finding the one person in the world with the artifact that can resist him cannot be a coincidence.
** As The Missing Pieces reveals, Theresa discovered that Leland was Laura's father (she was acquainted with Laura and Ronette, and perhaps carried on a sexual relationship with them), and it's implied that she tries to blackmail him with this knowledge. BOB, enraged, murders her. Theresa loses the ring, perhaps during the murder, and it winds up underneath her trailer...somehow.
* Chet Desmond discovers the ring beneath the trailer. It's implied that the spirits of the Black Lodge kidnap him. The Man From Another Place suggests that they can "descend from pure air" by traveling through electricity; this is also how they kidnapped David Bowie. The ring, and Chet Desmond, are now at the Black Lodge. David Bowie is aware of the ring's existence, perhaps due to his visit to the Lodge, and mentions it during his ramblings in the FBI office.
** The Man From Another Place and BOB seem to treat the ring with disdain. The former sarcastically offers it to BOB and says "With this ring, I thee wed," and BOB laughs.
* MIKE/Phillip Gerard is the next person to take physical possession of the ring, perhaps while visiting the Lodge. He later throws it to Laura to prevent BOB from possessing her.
** However, in a scene midway through the film, The Man From Another Place and Cooper discuss the ring. The Man From Another Place offers it to Laura, and Dale--realizing some horrible truth--tells her not to take it. Annie appears in Laura's bed during the sequence, and tells her to write about Dale in her diary. Annie is wearing the ring.

I think that Laura carried the ring with her into the Black Lodge when she died, and passed it along to Annie to protect her from possession when the latter was in the Lodge. The Black Lodge exists separately from regular linear time; when Coop and The Man From Another Place discuss it, it is simultaneously happening in the past (Laura's dream) and the future (after Annie's escape from the Lodge at the end of season two). She gives it to Annie to protect her from BOB, who may have targeted her after failing to possess Laura and losing Leland. He gains control over Coop, anyway, who's probably a more useful catspaw, so the point is ultimately moot.
* In The Missing Pieces, the same scene between Coop and The Man From Another Place plays out, except this time, the ring is not there. Cooper notices its absence, and is told that it's in someone else's (Annie's) possession. Because of the nature of the Lodge, both versions of the scene happen simultaneously. Cooper tells Laura not to take the ring, because if she had it, she wouldn't be able to give it to Annie, and Annie would be vulnerable to BOB. Cooper realizes the paradox, and believes that Laura will die regardless of whether or not she takes the ring. But, if she does, Annie won't have it to protect herself from BOB. So he urges her to leave it where it is, knowing that events will work out anyway.

Cooper and Laura are seen together at the end of the film. Perhaps Cooper's spirit AND Laura both conspire to give the ring to Annie, implying that Cooper's spirit (trapped in the Lodge by BOB) exists separately, and outside space/time, from the Cooper who enters the Lodge in pursuit of Windom Earle.

* As a final note--and as more evidence that the Lodge exists outside of space/time--David Bowie angrily points to Dale and demands to know if Cole knows who he is. Perhaps David Bowie became aware of Cooper, and BOB's doppelganger, while he was in the Lodge. Coop's entrapment and subsequent possession happen AFTER David Bowie reappears in Philadelphia. Because of how disoriented he is, he doesn't realize that he's talking to the real Cooper, or even perhaps that he's traveled through time.
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What happens if one of these alternate realities is not destroyed in a fairly timely manner? {{Southland Tales}} is what happens. It's not all that obvious in the feature proper, due to half of the story being told in a tie in graphic novel (whatever idiot thought that would work should be shot), but Southland Tales can best be described as the future of Donnie Darko's tangent universe. Since Donnie sacrificed himself and closed the tangent universe, our reality was saved. However, he did not destroy the alt. universe, instead simply closing it off. Since the tangent universe can no longer effect out own, neither lodge is influencing it. This means that the white lodge isn't acting to save this world, nor it the black lodge acting to destroy or rule it.

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What happens if one of these alternate realities is not destroyed in a fairly timely manner? {{Southland Tales}} ''Film/SouthlandTales'' is what happens. It's not all that obvious in the feature proper, due to half of the story being told in a tie in graphic novel (whatever idiot thought that would work should be shot), but Southland Tales can best be described as the future of Donnie Darko's tangent universe. Since Donnie sacrificed himself and closed the tangent universe, our reality was saved. However, he did not destroy the alt. universe, instead simply closing it off. Since the tangent universe can no longer effect out own, neither lodge is influencing it. This means that the white lodge isn't acting to save this world, nor it the black lodge acting to destroy or rule it.
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[[WMG: Agent Cooper eventually becomes [[{{Dexter}} Special Agent Frank Lundy]]]]
He escaped the Black Lodge and continued his work for the FBI. Notice Special Agent Lundy is chipper, upbeat, has precise unique methods and is obsessive about food. He even ends his time on [[{{Dexter}} Dexter]] by saying he is going to work on a case in Portland, OR. Back to where he started . . .

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[[WMG: Agent Cooper eventually becomes [[{{Dexter}} [[Series/{{Dexter}} Special Agent Frank Lundy]]]]
He escaped the Black Lodge and continued his work for the FBI. Notice Special Agent Lundy is chipper, upbeat, has precise unique methods and is obsessive about food. He even ends his time on [[{{Dexter}} Dexter]] Series/{{Dexter}} by saying he is going to work on a case in Portland, OR. Back to where he started . . .
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It all starts with HBO's {{Carnivale}}. Several thousand years ago, the first avatara appeared: one an avatar of good, the other of evil. Every generation, two new avatars were born. The avatars were receiving their good/bad powers from either the white or the black lodge. Had Carnivale not been cancelled, Word of God is that it would have ended with the Trinity nuclear test, in the mid 1940s. It's also stated that Sofie is the Omega: the last of the Avatar, neither good nor evil, the one who will bring about the end. So, in the mid 40s, the avatar lines cease. The lodges, however, continue to exist.

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It all starts with HBO's {{Carnivale}}.Series/{{Carnivale}}. Several thousand years ago, the first avatara appeared: one an avatar of good, the other of evil. Every generation, two new avatars were born. The avatars were receiving their good/bad powers from either the white or the black lodge. Had Carnivale not been cancelled, Word of God is that it would have ended with the Trinity nuclear test, in the mid 1940s. It's also stated that Sofie is the Omega: the last of the Avatar, neither good nor evil, the one who will bring about the end. So, in the mid 40s, the avatar lines cease. The lodges, however, continue to exist.
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still dunno how \"ROBERTSON\" ties into it.


3. Phillip has been to one of their meetings. I didn't see Phillip in the meeting scene, but I did see Pierre...with his black suit and David Bowie hair. "Fell a victim," he says. Could be a self-referential comment.

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3. Phillip has been to one of their meetings. I didn't see Phillip in the meeting scene, but I did see Pierre...with his black suit and David Bowie hair. "Fell a victim," he says. Could be a self-referential comment.comment.

[[WMG: Phillip Michael Gerard was a Dugpa.]]
Towards the end of the second season, as more is revealed about the Black Lodge, Windom Earle describes Dugpas, sorcerers would attempt entry to the Black Lodge [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten by committing evil and vile acts]]. Phillip Michael Gerard has an ambiguous relationship with MIKE, who is [[DemonicPossession possessing him]] for reasons never made very clear, and who looks like him (unlike BOB, who is often shown intercut with shots of the person he's possessing). We know that, in the Black Lodge, every visitor must be confronted by their shadow self, the Dweller On The Threshold. MIKE describes BOB as his "familiar", and mentions having cut off his arm to separate himself from the tattoo [[ArcWords "Fire Walk With Me"]]. BOB is associated with fire both metaphorically and in dialogue ("Wanna play with fire, little boy? Wanna play with BOB?"). The Man From Another Place refers to himself as "The Arm" at one point. Therefore:
* Phillip Michael Gerard committed vile acts to allow him access to the Black Lodge, where he was met with his doppelganger: MIKE.
* The "Fire Walk With Me" poem either ''is'' or merely ''describes'' the summoning incantation of BOB, conjuring him out of the Black Lodge and into the mortal world.
* MIKE possessed Phillip Michael Gerard and conjured up BOB in order to go about having their wicked fun.
* MIKE [[FaceHeelTurn "saw the face of God"]] and decided to, erm, [[LiteralMetaphor sever his ties]] with BOB and the Black Lodge, thus cutting his arm off, which became The Man From Another Place.
* BOB and The Man From Another Place still harbor the same connection on some level, which is why the latter demands his [[PerfectlyCromulentWord garmonbozia]] in ''Film/FireWalkWithMe''.
* After MIKE "saw the face of God", it would seem Phillip Michael Gerard didn't agree with his [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Dweller On The Threshhold's]] [[FaceHeelTurn new lease on life]], since he kept MIKE suppressed with anti-psychotic drugs.
** It's also possible that Phillip ''does'' agree with his new point of view and is instead [[SealedInsideAPersonShapedCan hiding MIKE's presence]] in case others from the Black Lodge come looking for him.
* Mrs. Chalfont/Mrs. Tremond/Grandmother is likewise a dugpa of the Black Lodge, and her "Grandson" is her Familiar, hence why/how he's able to snatch the cream corn(?) away.
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I think Pierre, a.k.a. the grandson, a.k.a. the creamed corn kid, is really Phillip Jeffries. It's either an inhabiting spirit thing, or Jeffries is reverted to child form in certain incarnations. (I lean towards the latter.) My supporting points:

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I think Pierre, a.k.a. the grandson, a.k.a. the creamed corn kid, is really Phillip Jeffries. It's either an inhabiting spirit thing, thing or Jeffries is reverted to child form in certain incarnations. (I lean towards the latter.) My supporting points:
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[[XanatosGambit In case his plan to conquer the omniverse was thwarted, by Ryo or ENIAC, whichever, it's not unthinkable that he'll have some way to flip off the Sovereigns and ENIAC, who were dedicated to order, peace and stability.]]

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[[XanatosGambit In case his plan to conquer the omniverse was thwarted, by Ryo or ENIAC, whichever, it's not unthinkable that he'll have some way to flip off the Sovereigns and ENIAC, who were dedicated to order, peace and stability.]]]]

[[WMG: Phillip Jeffries is Pierre Tremond / Chalfont. ]]

I think Pierre, a.k.a. the grandson, a.k.a. the creamed corn kid, is really Phillip Jeffries. It's either an inhabiting spirit thing, or Jeffries is reverted to child form in certain incarnations. (I lean towards the latter.) My supporting points:

1. Pierre's got some David Bowie hair going on, and his little black suit is very FBI.

2. The monkey, who might also be Pierre (remember the mask scene in Phillip's story), talks about Judy.

3. Phillip has been to one of their meetings. I didn't see Phillip in the meeting scene, but I did see Pierre...with his black suit and David Bowie hair. "Fell a victim," he says. Could be a self-referential comment.
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[[The events of the series was a back-up plan by [[DigimonWonderswanSeries ZeedMillenniumon]].]]

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[[XanatosGambit In case his plan to conquer the omniverse was thwarted, by Ryo or ENIAC, whichever, it's not unthinkable that he'll have some way to flip off the Sovereigns and ENIAC, who were dedicated to order, peace and stability.

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[[XanatosGambit In case his plan to conquer the omniverse was thwarted, by Ryo or ENIAC, whichever, it's not unthinkable that he'll have some way to flip off the Sovereigns and ENIAC, who were dedicated to order, peace and stability.]]

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