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* Confirmed. Second trailer shows Rawlins was using Frank's unit to commit war crimes during his service, and asked Schoonover to eliminate Frank to remove the one remaining witness not in on TheConspiracy.
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* Jossed. They confirmed the November 11, 2017 release date on October 19, 2017, nearly a month before.
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Seems perfectly reasonable, given that it was the things he did in his special ops work that indirectly caused their deaths.
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Seems perfectly reasonable, given that it was the things he did in his special ops work that indirectly caused their deaths.deaths.
[[WMG:The topic of Matt's "death" will be discussed]]
It will be kinda hard not to, since Karen and Frank had their own connections to Matt. Also, it will need to be established when Frank had figured out Matt's secret identity on his own (at the hospital, or during the trial?).
And consider the diner scene from ".380." Frank urged Karen to make up with Matt before Matt dies like Maria did. Frank was speaking from experience because his wife is dead and Karen is sitting there complaining that Matt has hurt her emotionally. Frank told Karen that he would chop his own arm off to have one more fight with his wife. Now, it's been some time since ''The Defenders'', Frank re-establishes ties with Karen and learns from her that Matt is "dead". They'll have to have a discussion about how Frank and Karen have this in common now having lost their respective loves.
Also, look at Karen in the set photos from the park bench. She kinda looks like she's in mourning.
[[WMG:The topic of Matt's "death" will be discussed]]
It will be kinda hard not to, since Karen and Frank had their own connections to Matt. Also, it will need to be established when Frank had figured out Matt's secret identity on his own (at the hospital, or during the trial?).
And consider the diner scene from ".380." Frank urged Karen to make up with Matt before Matt dies like Maria did. Frank was speaking from experience because his wife is dead and Karen is sitting there complaining that Matt has hurt her emotionally. Frank told Karen that he would chop his own arm off to have one more fight with his wife. Now, it's been some time since ''The Defenders'', Frank re-establishes ties with Karen and learns from her that Matt is "dead". They'll have to have a discussion about how Frank and Karen have this in common now having lost their respective loves.
Also, look at Karen in the set photos from the park bench. She kinda looks like she's in mourning.
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They want us to be ambushed like those soldiers Frank kills in the newest teaser.
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They want us to be ambushed like those soldiers Frank kills in the newest teaser.teaser.
[[WMG:Frank imagines himself killing his own family]]
Seems perfectly reasonable, given that it was the things he did in his special ops work that indirectly caused their deaths.
[[WMG:Frank imagines himself killing his own family]]
Seems perfectly reasonable, given that it was the things he did in his special ops work that indirectly caused their deaths.
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* A variation of Gerry Conway, as a ShoutOut to the writer of the same name, who created the Punisher with the previously mentioned artists.
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* A variation of Gerry Conway, as a ShoutOut to the writer of the same name, who created the Punisher with the previously mentioned artists.artists; a similar option would be a variant of Garth Ennis, writer of several acclaimed Punisher stories.
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All we know is still just "2017", but there's not much 2017 left at this point.
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It seems very likely that like in the comics, MCU Frank was born "Francis Castiglione" and Anglicized his name to Frank Castle later on. The teasers seem to imply that, given a shot of Frank and his kids admiring the Statue of Liberty, which greeted those arriving through Ellis Island.
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It seems very likely that like in the comics, MCU Frank was born "Francis Castiglione" and Anglicized his name to Frank Castle later on. The teasers seem to imply that, given a shot of Frank and his kids admiring the Statue of Liberty, which greeted those arriving through Ellis Island.Island.
[[WMG:Netflix won't tell us the release date until the last second.]]
They want us to be ambushed like those soldiers Frank kills in the newest teaser.
[[WMG:Netflix won't tell us the release date until the last second.]]
They want us to be ambushed like those soldiers Frank kills in the newest teaser.
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We know from the photographs Karen found when she broke into Frank's house that Frank was a recipient of the Navy Cross. Likely, the true details behind how Frank earned that Navy Cross are a lot messier than whatever's on public record.
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We know from the photographs Karen found when she broke into Frank's house that Frank was a recipient of the Navy Cross. Likely, the true details behind how Frank earned that Navy Cross are a lot messier than whatever's on public record.record.
[[WMG:Francis Castiglione is Frank's birth name]]
It seems very likely that like in the comics, MCU Frank was born "Francis Castiglione" and Anglicized his name to Frank Castle later on. The teasers seem to imply that, given a shot of Frank and his kids admiring the Statue of Liberty, which greeted those arriving through Ellis Island.
[[WMG:Francis Castiglione is Frank's birth name]]
It seems very likely that like in the comics, MCU Frank was born "Francis Castiglione" and Anglicized his name to Frank Castle later on. The teasers seem to imply that, given a shot of Frank and his kids admiring the Statue of Liberty, which greeted those arriving through Ellis Island.
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[[WMG: [[Comicbook/{{MoonKnight}} Marc Spector]] will appear as a former member of Frank's squad who has spend years in Egypt as a soldier of fortune]]
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[[WMG: [[Comicbook/{{MoonKnight}} Marc Spector]] will appear as a former member of Frank's squad who has spend spent years in Egypt as a soldier of fortune]]
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However, it's also likely that this may be saved for ''Series/Daredevil2015'' season 3, since that show is essentially Karen's "home" so to say and her past may have more relevance there with that season being about Matt, Karen and Foggy once more taking on Fisk.
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However, it's also likely that this may be saved for ''Series/Daredevil2015'' season 3, since that show is essentially Karen's "home" so to say and her past may have more relevance there with that season being about Matt, Karen and Foggy once more taking on Fisk.Fisk.
[[WMG:Frank's Navy Cross]]
We know from the photographs Karen found when she broke into Frank's house that Frank was a recipient of the Navy Cross. Likely, the true details behind how Frank earned that Navy Cross are a lot messier than whatever's on public record.
[[WMG:Frank's Navy Cross]]
We know from the photographs Karen found when she broke into Frank's house that Frank was a recipient of the Navy Cross. Likely, the true details behind how Frank earned that Navy Cross are a lot messier than whatever's on public record.
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Then there will be a debate with Frank trying to decide if she's as bad as the men he put down and will be torn apart as to what he should do. This would be an interesting dilemma, in which he realizes how there's more to the criminals he kills and that, if Karen was able to change, maybe other criminals can.
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Then there will be a debate with Frank trying to decide if she's as bad as the men he put down and will be torn apart as to what he should do. This would be an interesting dilemma, in which he realizes how there's more to the criminals he kills and that, if Karen was able to change, maybe other criminals can.can.
However, it's also likely that this may be saved for ''Series/Daredevil2015'' season 3, since that show is essentially Karen's "home" so to say and her past may have more relevance there with that season being about Matt, Karen and Foggy once more taking on Fisk.
However, it's also likely that this may be saved for ''Series/Daredevil2015'' season 3, since that show is essentially Karen's "home" so to say and her past may have more relevance there with that season being about Matt, Karen and Foggy once more taking on Fisk.
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[[WMG: [[Comicbook/{{MoonKnight}} Marc Spector]] will appear as a former member of Frank's squad who has spend years in Egypt as a soldier of fortune]]
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[[WMG: [[Comicbook/{{MoonKnight}} Marc Spector]] will appear as a former member of Frank's squad who has spend years in Egypt as a soldier of fortune]]fortune]]
[[WMG: If Karen's possibly criminal past comes up in this series...]]
Then there will be a debate with Frank trying to decide if she's as bad as the men he put down and will be torn apart as to what he should do. This would be an interesting dilemma, in which he realizes how there's more to the criminals he kills and that, if Karen was able to change, maybe other criminals can.
[[WMG: If Karen's possibly criminal past comes up in this series...]]
Then there will be a debate with Frank trying to decide if she's as bad as the men he put down and will be torn apart as to what he should do. This would be an interesting dilemma, in which he realizes how there's more to the criminals he kills and that, if Karen was able to change, maybe other criminals can.
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He is the MCU version of Jigsaw, the closest thing Punisher really has to an ArchEnemy, so it'd make sense. If he isn't the BigBad of Season 1, it will be his StartOfDarkness and see Jigsaw as the BigBad of Season 2. If he is, then we will see his StartOfDarkness in flashbacks to the war, potentially detailing how he and Frank went their separate ways after the war.
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He is the MCU version of Jigsaw, the closest thing Punisher really has to an ArchEnemy, so it'd make sense. If he isn't the BigBad of Season 1, it will be his StartOfDarkness and see Jigsaw as the BigBad of Season 2. If he is, then we will see his StartOfDarkness in flashbacks to the war, potentially detailing how he and Frank went their separate ways after the war.war.
[[WMG: [[Comicbook/{{MoonKnight}} Marc Spector]] will appear as a former member of Frank's squad who has spend years in Egypt as a soldier of fortune]]
[[WMG: [[Comicbook/{{MoonKnight}} Marc Spector]] will appear as a former member of Frank's squad who has spend years in Egypt as a soldier of fortune]]
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It would make sense for a show about a guy who thinks he's judge, jury, and executioner.
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It would make sense for a show about a guy who thinks he's judge, jury, and executioner.executioner.
[[WMG: Going with the above theory about The Blacksmith...]]
Billy Russo will be the Blacksmith. Whether he was previously TheDragon to the original Blacksmith and is undergoing a case of DragonAscendant, or was TheManBehindTheMan, he is currently running the Blacksmith's old operations under the front of "Anvil".
[[WMG: Regardless of his involvement with The Blacksmith, Russo will be the BigBad]]
He is the MCU version of Jigsaw, the closest thing Punisher really has to an ArchEnemy, so it'd make sense. If he isn't the BigBad of Season 1, it will be his StartOfDarkness and see Jigsaw as the BigBad of Season 2. If he is, then we will see his StartOfDarkness in flashbacks to the war, potentially detailing how he and Frank went their separate ways after the war.
[[WMG: Going with the above theory about The Blacksmith...]]
Billy Russo will be the Blacksmith. Whether he was previously TheDragon to the original Blacksmith and is undergoing a case of DragonAscendant, or was TheManBehindTheMan, he is currently running the Blacksmith's old operations under the front of "Anvil".
[[WMG: Regardless of his involvement with The Blacksmith, Russo will be the BigBad]]
He is the MCU version of Jigsaw, the closest thing Punisher really has to an ArchEnemy, so it'd make sense. If he isn't the BigBad of Season 1, it will be his StartOfDarkness and see Jigsaw as the BigBad of Season 2. If he is, then we will see his StartOfDarkness in flashbacks to the war, potentially detailing how he and Frank went their separate ways after the war.
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Original Poster here. I didn't want it up anymore as the supposed support for my theory actually undermined it.
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[[WMG: Rawlins will be the initial BigBad.]]
Billy will become Jigsaw later on and suplant that position, but possibly closer to the end of Season One.
* The [[http://mcuexchange.com/new-punisher-promo-poster-featuring-frank-micro-jigsaw-surfaces-online/ promo poster]] seems to suggest this. In the supporting cast, Micro, Rawlins, and Lewis Walcott are in the top row. Karen Page, Dinah Madani and Billy Russo are in the second row. Curtis Hoyle and Sam Stein are on the bottom.
* Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take most their antagonist characters from the very beginning of their falls from grace, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
Billy will become Jigsaw later on and suplant that position, but possibly closer to the end of Season One.
* The [[http://mcuexchange.com/new-punisher-promo-poster-featuring-frank-micro-jigsaw-surfaces-online/ promo poster]] seems to suggest this. In the supporting cast, Micro, Rawlins, and Lewis Walcott are in the top row. Karen Page, Dinah Madani and Billy Russo are in the second row. Curtis Hoyle and Sam Stein are on the bottom.
* Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take most their antagonist characters from the very beginning of their falls from grace, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
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* [[WMG: The show will discuss police brutality]]
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** Ray Jane
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*[[WMG: The show will discuss police brutality]]
It would make sense for a show about a guy who thinks he's judge, jury, and executioner.
*[[WMG: The show will discuss police brutality]]
It would make sense for a show about a guy who thinks he's judge, jury, and executioner.
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** Jigsaw was an existing character long before Rawlins was, and Rawlins is said to "cross paths" ''due'' to their time in Afghanistan, not that Frank served with him in the same division, so he isn't necessarily chronologically early in the series. Russo is said to be Frank's best friend and that he served ''with'' Frank in the Special Forces.
** OP: I said near the end of Season One, long after a potential "fall from grace". I also never said Rawlings wouldn't qualify as the main villain at any point.
** OP: I said near the end of Season One, long after a potential "fall from grace". I also never said Rawlings wouldn't qualify as the main villain at any point.
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* Mixes of the names of the actors from the Pumisher movies (Creator/DolphLundgren, Creator/ThomasJane, and Creator/RayStevenson):
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* Mixes of the names of the actors from the Pumisher Punisher movies (Creator/DolphLundgren, Creator/ThomasJane, and Creator/RayStevenson):
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In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Skye mentioned having a hacker friend in the Rising Tide called Micro. In this series, Micro will have a Rising Tide poster in his room or the back of his van or something as a nod to this.
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In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Skye mentioned having a hacker friend in the Rising Tide called Micro. In this series, Micro will have a Rising Tide poster in his room or the back of his van or something as a nod to this.this.
[[WMG: Frank will use a number of aliases throughout the series]]
Possible aliases will be:
* [[MythologyGag Francis Castiglione]]
* Ross Romita, as a ShoutOut John Romita Sr. and Ross Andru, the two artists who created the Punisher.
* A variation of Gerry Conway, as a ShoutOut to the writer of the same name, who created the Punisher with the previously mentioned artists.
* Mixes of the names of the actors from the Pumisher movies (Creator/DolphLundgren, Creator/ThomasJane, and Creator/RayStevenson):
** Hans Elliott (Lundgren's actual first name is Hans, while Jane was born Thomas Elliott III)
** Hans Jane
** Hans Stevenson
** Dolph Elliott
** Dolph Jane
** Dolph Stevenson
** Thomas Lundgren
** Thomas Stevenson
** Ray Lundgren
** Ray Elliot
** Ray Jane
[[WMG: Frank will use a number of aliases throughout the series]]
Possible aliases will be:
* [[MythologyGag Francis Castiglione]]
* Ross Romita, as a ShoutOut John Romita Sr. and Ross Andru, the two artists who created the Punisher.
* A variation of Gerry Conway, as a ShoutOut to the writer of the same name, who created the Punisher with the previously mentioned artists.
* Mixes of the names of the actors from the Pumisher movies (Creator/DolphLundgren, Creator/ThomasJane, and Creator/RayStevenson):
** Hans Elliott (Lundgren's actual first name is Hans, while Jane was born Thomas Elliott III)
** Hans Jane
** Hans Stevenson
** Dolph Elliott
** Dolph Jane
** Dolph Stevenson
** Thomas Lundgren
** Thomas Stevenson
** Ray Lundgren
** Ray Elliot
** Ray Jane
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* This means that the '''real''' Blacksmith could actually be [[spoiler: Creator/BellaThorne.]]
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It all seems still up in the air given that is was never explicitly stated that The Blacksmith was dead, and it could be a small assumption on the part of viewers that leads to a bigger reveal down the road.
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It all seems still up in the air given that is was never explicitly stated that The Blacksmith was dead, and it could be a small assumption on the part of viewers that leads to a bigger reveal down the road.road.
[[WMG: Micro will have a Rising Tide poster somewhere]]
In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Skye mentioned having a hacker friend in the Rising Tide called Micro. In this series, Micro will have a Rising Tide poster in his room or the back of his van or something as a nod to this.
[[WMG: Micro will have a Rising Tide poster somewhere]]
In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Skye mentioned having a hacker friend in the Rising Tide called Micro. In this series, Micro will have a Rising Tide poster in his room or the back of his van or something as a nod to this.
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Remember what Colonel Schoonover said in his final moments about something happening in Kandahar that he and Frank would never let go of? I think that will be a big contributing element to the plot of ''The Punisher''. It's possible that perhaps Schoonover had become the Blacksmith while Frank served under him, and many of Frank's missions had actually been cover to protect the Colonel's opium pipeline.
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Remember what Colonel Schoonover said in his final moments about something happening in Kandahar that he and Frank would never let go of? I think that will be a big contributing element to the plot of ''The Punisher''. It's possible that perhaps Schoonover had become the Blacksmith while Frank served under him, and many of Frank's missions had actually been cover to protect the Colonel's opium pipeline.pipeline.
[[WMG: Colonel Schoonover was ''not'' the Blacksmith]]
To some, it may have been an open and shut case. In season 2 of ''Daredevil'', Frank Castle was hunting down a man known only as “The Blacksmith” — the head of a massive drug operation in Hell’s Kitchen and the person responsible for the massacre in which Frank's family was killed. Frank’s hunt ended up leading him to Colonel Schoonover, who testified on Frank’s behalf when he was on trial for murder. And Frank kills him when Schoonover tries to take Karen hostage.
But wait, it may not be as simple as it all sounds. See, as much as it was implied that Colonel Schoonover was "The Blacksmith", it was never confirmed, and the Colonel never admitted to going by that moniker. It's possible that this was simply an oversight on the part of the writers to clarify for certain that "The Blacksmith" has been taken care of, but it’s also entirely possible that this drug ring goes much higher than Colonel Schoonover. If the Blacksmith is still out there, the mystery of who he or she actually is remains, and someone like Rawlins or Billy Russo could be the actual Blacksmith. It’s also possible, as we’ve seen many times over the years in comics, that the mantle of “The Blacksmith” is, like the Immortal Iron Fist, a title that can change hands, and if Schoonover really was "The Blacksmith" for a spell, another person could now be free to take over and use the name.
It all seems still up in the air given that is was never explicitly stated that The Blacksmith was dead, and it could be a small assumption on the part of viewers that leads to a bigger reveal down the road.
[[WMG: Colonel Schoonover was ''not'' the Blacksmith]]
To some, it may have been an open and shut case. In season 2 of ''Daredevil'', Frank Castle was hunting down a man known only as “The Blacksmith” — the head of a massive drug operation in Hell’s Kitchen and the person responsible for the massacre in which Frank's family was killed. Frank’s hunt ended up leading him to Colonel Schoonover, who testified on Frank’s behalf when he was on trial for murder. And Frank kills him when Schoonover tries to take Karen hostage.
But wait, it may not be as simple as it all sounds. See, as much as it was implied that Colonel Schoonover was "The Blacksmith", it was never confirmed, and the Colonel never admitted to going by that moniker. It's possible that this was simply an oversight on the part of the writers to clarify for certain that "The Blacksmith" has been taken care of, but it’s also entirely possible that this drug ring goes much higher than Colonel Schoonover. If the Blacksmith is still out there, the mystery of who he or she actually is remains, and someone like Rawlins or Billy Russo could be the actual Blacksmith. It’s also possible, as we’ve seen many times over the years in comics, that the mantle of “The Blacksmith” is, like the Immortal Iron Fist, a title that can change hands, and if Schoonover really was "The Blacksmith" for a spell, another person could now be free to take over and use the name.
It all seems still up in the air given that is was never explicitly stated that The Blacksmith was dead, and it could be a small assumption on the part of viewers that leads to a bigger reveal down the road.
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[[WMG: Micro keeps his involvement with Frank secret from his wife.]]
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[[WMG: Micro keeps his involvement with Frank secret from his wife.]]]]
[[WMG: What happened in Kandahar will factor into the show's plotline]]
Remember what Colonel Schoonover said in his final moments about something happening in Kandahar that he and Frank would never let go of? I think that will be a big contributing element to the plot of ''The Punisher''. It's possible that perhaps Schoonover had become the Blacksmith while Frank served under him, and many of Frank's missions had actually been cover to protect the Colonel's opium pipeline.
[[WMG: What happened in Kandahar will factor into the show's plotline]]
Remember what Colonel Schoonover said in his final moments about something happening in Kandahar that he and Frank would never let go of? I think that will be a big contributing element to the plot of ''The Punisher''. It's possible that perhaps Schoonover had become the Blacksmith while Frank served under him, and many of Frank's missions had actually been cover to protect the Colonel's opium pipeline.
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** OP: I said near the end of Season One, long after a potential "fall from grace". I also never said Rawlings wouldn't qualify as the main villain at any point.
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* Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take their antagonist characters from the very beginning, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
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* Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take most their antagonist characters from the very beginning, beginning of their falls from grace, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
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** Do you mean "from the very beginning" of the comics or the series? Because Simpson was a Daredevil enemy in the comics, Davos only appears in five episodes, and none of these examples barring Fisk are the BigBad of the seasons they were in. Plus, look at Series/LukeCage! That had a different main villain in the beginning, Cottonmouth, and it was later Diamondback. There isn't a solid formula to all of the shows, not to the point that one can say Frank's enemies never fluctuate.
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** Do you mean "from the very beginning" of the comics or the series? Because Simpson was a Daredevil enemy in the comics, Davos only appears in five episodes, and none of these examples barring Fisk are the BigBad of the seasons they were in. Plus, look at Series/LukeCage! That had a different main villain in the beginning, Cottonmouth, and it was later Diamondback. There isn't a solid formula to all of the shows, not to the point that one can say Frank's enemies never fluctuate.
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The [[http://mcuexchange.com/new-punisher-promo-poster-featuring-frank-micro-jigsaw-surfaces-online/ promo poster]] seems to suggest this. In the supporting cast, Micro, Rawlins, and Lewis Walcott are in the top row. Karen Page, Dinah Madani and Billy Russo are in the second row. Curtis Hoyle and Sam Stein are on the bottom.
Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take their antagonist characters from the very beginning, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take their antagonist characters from the very beginning, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
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* The [[http://mcuexchange.com/new-punisher-promo-poster-featuring-frank-micro-jigsaw-surfaces-online/ promo poster]] seems to suggest this. In the supporting cast, Micro, Rawlins, and Lewis Walcott are in the top row. Karen Page, Dinah Madani and Billy Russo are in the second row. Curtis Hoyle and Sam Stein are on the bottom.
* Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take their antagonist characters from the very beginning, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
** Jigsaw was an existing character long before Rawlins was, and Rawlins is said to "cross paths" ''due'' to their time in Afghanistan, not that Frank served with him in the same division, so he isn't necessarily chronologically early in the series. Russo is said to be Frank's best friend and that he served ''with'' Frank in the Special Forces.
* Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take their antagonist characters from the very beginning, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
** Jigsaw was an existing character long before Rawlins was, and Rawlins is said to "cross paths" ''due'' to their time in Afghanistan, not that Frank served with him in the same division, so he isn't necessarily chronologically early in the series. Russo is said to be Frank's best friend and that he served ''with'' Frank in the Special Forces.
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The [[http://mcuexchange.com/new-punisher-promo-poster-featuring-frank-micro-jigsaw-surfaces-online/ promo poster]] seems to suggest this. In the supporting cast, Micro, Rawlins, and Lewis Walcott are in the top row. Karen Page, Dinah Madani and Billy Russo are in the second row. Curtis Hoyle and Sam Stein are on the bottom.
Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take their antagonist characters from the very beginning, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
Rawlins seems more positioned to be the main antagonist, given that the show will undoubtedly be about Frank trying to unravel the truth about the conspiracy behind his family's deaths. Additionally, the Netflix shows take their antagonist characters from the very beginning, as was shown with Wilson Fisk, Joy Meachum, Davos, and Will Simpson.
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Billy will become Jigsaw later on and suplant that position, but possibly closer to the end of Season One.
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Billy will become Jigsaw later on and suplant that position, but possibly closer to the end of Season One.One.
[[WMG: Micro keeps his involvement with Frank secret from his wife.]]
[[WMG: Micro keeps his involvement with Frank secret from his wife.]]
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[[WMG: Rawlins will be the initial BigBad.]]
Billy will become Jigsaw later on and suplant that position, but possibly closer to the end of Season One.
Billy will become Jigsaw later on and suplant that position, but possibly closer to the end of Season One.
