History WMG / TheLionKingIISimbasPride

It's already been theorized [[https://www.reddit.com/r/lionking/comments/nvcrek/which_lion_king_characters_do_you_headcanon_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button by]] [[https://www.deviantart.com/fluffykratt/status-update/To-open-off-Pride-Month-965211593 some]] (including [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/profile.php this troper]]) that Kiara is asexual, as she is never shown or said to feel any superficial attraction to anyone, not even her love interest (EXCEPT maybe when she cuddles him, I guess?!?!?!). However, it's also worth noting that Kovu LITERALLY TOLD HER "We'll run away together, and start a pride aaaaaaaaaaaaaall on our own!" WHILST LEGITIMATELY TWERKING and lowering his head to make sure she could see! This is a clear indication of demisexuality, where one only experiences sexual attraction towards those who they've grown a strong bond with.

It's already been theorized [[https://www.reddit.com/r/lionking/comments/nvcrek/which_lion_king_characters_do_you_headcanon_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button by]] [[https://www.deviantart.com/fluffykratt/status-update/To-open-off-Pride-Month-965211593 some]] (including [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/profile.php this troper]]) that Kiara is asexual, as she is never shown or said to feel any superficial attraction to anyone, not even her love interest (EXCEPT maybe when she cuddles him, I guess?!?!?!). However, it's also worth noting that Kovu LITERALLY SAID "We'll run away together, and start a pride aaaaaaaaaaaaaall on our own!" WHILST LEGITIMATELY TWERKING and lowering his head to make sure she could see! This is a clear indicator of demisexuality, where one only experiences sexual attraction towards those who they've grown a strong bond with.

This is a Doylist explanation for where the Outsiders came from when the lionesses all apparently hated Scar in the first film. Maybe in the script's first draft, Zira was the only lioness who had been loyal to Scar, and she regrouped the hyenas to overthrow Simba. But then the writers realized that Zira would never willingly work with her beloved Scar's murderers, nor would they work with her after Scar's betrayal. So they replaced the hyenas with lionesses.

This is a Doylist explanation for where the Outsiders came from when the lionesses all apparently hated Scar in the first film. Maybe in the script's first draft, Zira was the only lioness who had been loyal to scare, and she regrouped the hyenas to overthrow Simba. But then the writers realized that Zira would never willingly work with her beloved Scar's murderers, nor would they work with her after Scar's betrayal. So they replaced the hyenas with lionesses.

I mean, Kovu is not Zira's biological son and thus, Vitani and Kovu are not related. Also, Vitani is the only Lionness among the Outsiders that is around the same age as Kovu. So who else could have been his queen except for Kiara?

Zira probably intended to arrange their marriage as soon as Simba and his pride were defeated. But due to Kovu falling in love with Kiara instead and getting redeemed in the process, she has failed.

* It would be one way to get around their strength in numbers vs. Scar's unpopularity.

Zira probably intended to arrange their marriage as soon as Simba and his pride were defeated. But due to Kovu falling in love with Kiara instead and getting redeemed in the process, she has failed.

I mean, Kovu is not Zira's biological son and thus, Vitani and Kovu are not related. Also, Vitani is the Lionness among the Outsiders that is around the same age as Kovu. So who else could have been his queen except for Kiara?

Zira probably intended to arrange their marriage as soon as Simba and his pride were defeated. This is also supported by the fact that Zira's character was inspired by Lady Montague from Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet" because in this story, Julia's parents also want to arrange a marriage for her daughter and a man they have chosen for her, until she meets Romeo... and the rest is history.

If the deleted line is any indication, it was probably planned for Mufasa to appear in the heavens shortly after Kiara runs away following Kovu's unjust sentence. He would have likely [[DisappointedInYou expressed stern disappointment in his son]], prompting Simba to become confused before hearing about having broken the Circle of Life and seeing his father disappear into the clouds once more. Then he could've questioned himself if he really had done the right thing, wanted to apologize to Kiara and even thought about making a peaceful resolution with the Outlanders, walking into the den as the rain begun... before finding out that Kiara had fled and then being alerted of the impeding attack by the Outlanders that wanted an all-out war, going in to fight them because he quickly realized it was now absolutely too late to negotiate and could only defend his home from the attackers.

I am basing this theory on the fact that two brown ostriches were dancing together. Other than that, there is really no proof.

Ok aside from and ignoring the deleted scene of Zira committing suicide and still smiling in the final product. Kiara didn't try to save Zira and instead finished her off. Why would Kiara do something like that? Well think about it....why did she even bother trying to save Zira? What exactly did she think was gonna happen if she managed to save her when seconds ago Zira showed that she's a psychopath full of hate who doesn't listen to reason and crossed the line of no return by choosing war, bloodshed and death over peace, reason and moving on from the past and threatened to kill her own daughter? It's highly unlikely that Zira would just suddenly have a change of heart and live with the ones she absolutely despises and has tried to kill. She would just stop at nothing until Simba, Nala and the rest of the Pridelanders are all dead whenever she gets the chance. So Kiara wasn't trying to save Zira but kill her and eliminate her as a threat to her family but also so she won't be able to kill or cause suffering to anyone anymore. After all we don't actually see Zira slip and fall in the final product and it could've been Kiara's recollection of how it happened and not what actually happened as nobody else saw Zira fall into the river. Also in comparison to Simba in the original Simba gave Scar the chance to live because despite what he had done Scar was still his uncle and family in Simba's eyes so it makes sense for Simba to give him a chance, Zira on the other hand isn't any relation or family to Kiara or Simba.

In the Lion King 'verse, there seems to be something of a premium placed on physical robustness in terms of the male lion kings. Given that there seem to be no other male lions in the Pridelands excepting the royal family (and the numbers there are limited as well), it's possible that other males born into the pride (whether by the queen or otherwise) eventually leave to form/intermingle with other prides (which would possibly be a case of ShownTheirWork, as male lions in real life usually do so once they reach maturity). These other prides would either be independent of the main family's pride, or perhaps in something of a subservient, vassal-like role (the equivalent to a lord as opposed to a king). ''Taking over'' another pride would likely require physically defeating and[=/=]or [[KlingonPromotion killing the previous leader.]] Since Scar was born physically weak, he would be limited in how much he could travel and what he could do when he got there.

It is never explicitly stated that Zira was Scar's mate (though it was ''very'' strongly implied). Having Zira as Scar's mate (as well as the very ''existence'' of the Outlanders) creates a huge PlotHole for the first film. If Scar had a mate and a pride, then where were they during the first film? Why didn't they help their leader during the final battle? Why weren't they mentioned, or even ''hinted at''? How could Scar have handpicked Kovu to follow in his footsteps when he appears to be about the same age as Kiara, who wasn't born until after Scar's death? It's possible that Zira and the Outlanders never actually had any direct contact with Scar, or only very little contact with him, but were aware of him and formed a cult of sorts around him. Zira isn't shown to be the most mentally stable lioness in the world, so she could've deluded herself as well as everyone else into thinking that Scar had more involvement with the Outlanders than he actually did. Supporting the claim that Kovu looks too young to have even been alive at the same time as Scar, Zira could have believed that Scar spoke to her from beyond the grave and told her that Kovu was to be his successor.

** Its basically confirmed that he’s not Scar’s son in ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''.

* First, it's not true. Second, ''Simba's Pride'' was long before ''ATLA''. Third, Kovu's name is pudhing it. Forth, spelling.

[[WMG: Zira and the Outlanders were banished for hoarding more than loyalty to Scar.]]

[[WMG: Zira and the Outlanders were a scouting team Scar sent forth for an expedition. Simba beat them to Pride Rock and they were stuck.]]

He is weak and mangy due to Scar being "on the shallow end of the gene pool".

** ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' stated Scar didn’t have any biological Cubs.

Even amongst humans people often look like each other. There's only so many variations.

I assume that's what the fur on the top of his head is, and he's more muscular than Simba was as in the first part of ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994''. I'd pin him at under 2 years of age.

Ok, we know for a fact Zira was completely insane. So it's not much of a stretch to assume this insanity might have caused her to believe Scar told her Kovu was his heir, when Scar died before it ever happened. In fact, while Nuka may have been Scar's child, possibly Vitani too, as with real lions in real life, Scar may have mated with several lionesses but Zira only believed she was his prefered mate and queen, because she truly loved him and may have been the only one to actually sire cubs. Knowing Scar, he might have even cultivated such an idea because she clearly had a large sway with the lionesses and they'd obey her. Thus most of Zira's 'motive' was the result of her rampent insanity.

The reason the hyenas ran off is because a vengeful Zira killed several of them and forced the survivors to flee. But Simba also shares the blame for returning to the Pridelands and turning everyone against Scar.
* Nah, pay attention in ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''. Zira just seems to hate everybody who isn't a lion.

Remember in the first Lion King movie when Scar lectured Sarabi about her team not looking hard enough for food? Well Zira, who’s very loyal to Scar, must’ve been searching far and wide for food along with her personal team of lionesses. She likely stumbled upon two very young and unsupervised cubs. Vitani and Kovu.

I am basing this theory on the fact that two brown ostrichs were dancing together. Other than that there is really no proof.

Sometimes, lionesses find very young and seemingly abandoned cubs and take them into the pride, so this must’ve been the case with Zira finding Kovu and Vitani and bringing them to Scar to accept. Scar was not Kovu’s father as Scar is implied to have not had any kids, and Zira was very much in love with Scar so it’s unlikely that she would’ve looked for another male to have cubs with. That creates an unlikelihood of Kovu and Vitani having both Scar and Zira as their biological parents, which opens the idea of them being from the same litter. This would make sense since Kovu and Vitani are the same age and have similar appearances (extra fur at the ends of their faces, tufts of fur on their heads, recessive gene eye color). And of course, since they were from the same litter, they were left in the same place together and eventually found by Zira.

Sometimes, lionesses find very young and seemingly abandoned cubs and take them into the pride, so this must’ve been the case with Zira finding Kovu and Vitani and bringing them to Scar to accept. Scar was not Kovu’s father and Zira was very much in love with Scar so it’s unlikely that she would’ve looked for another male to have kids with. That creates an unlikelihood of Kovu and Vitani having both Scar and Zira as their biological parents, which opens the idea of them being from the same litter. This would make sense since Kovu and Vitani are the same age and have similar appearances (extra fur at the ends of their faces, tufts of fur on their heads, recessive gene eye color). And of course, since they were from the same litter, they were left in the same place together and eventually found by Zira.

* And of course, both Kovu and Draco have massive fanbases :B

* WMG/TheLionKing

I assume that's what the fur on the top of his head is, and he's more muscular than Simba was as in the first part of ''Disney/TheLionKing''. I'd pin him at under 2 years of age.

** Jossed by WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''.

** Its basically confirmed that he’s not Scar’s son in ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''.

** Badically confirmed in WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''.

** Jossed. WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' shows they did try to attack Simba.

** WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' stated Scar didn’t have any biological Cubs.

** Confirmed in WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''.

** Its basically confirmed that he’s not Scar’s son in ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard''.