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* The timeline doesn't match up. The first two ''Home Alone'' films take place at the time when they were released, in the early 1990s, while the ''Saw'' movies seem to also take place when they were released, in the 2000s. Even assuming Kevin changed his name to John Kramer, it wouldn't explain how he aged over 40 years in only about a decade.

We never see how Joyce was abducted or what the circumstances of her capture were. Possibly, prior to being kidnapped and subjected to the Brazen Bull trap, she received a mysterious letter or phone call that suggested Bobby was a fraud, and told her where proof of his deceit could be found. She goes to the vacant lot which the message directs her to, and finds documentation that confirms he's been lying, e.g. an invoice from a body-modification shop where he'd had the scars on his chest done. Next to the stash of evidence is a lit oil-can fire. She ponders this new insight, decides that protecting Bobby's reputation - hence, their wealth and celebrity lifestyle - is more important than the truth, and chucks the evidence into the flames. Cue pig-masked Hoffman pouncing on her from the shadows.

[[WMG: How the "[[EyeScream eye cross trap]]" on the ''Saw X'' poster will work]]
The poster for ''Saw X'' shows a guy in a trap that has plastic tubes funnelling into his eyes in an "X" pattern. But how will it work, and why is he in the trap to begin with? Here's some ideas:
* He's in the trap because he has witnessed the scam and chose to turn a blind eye to it (much like the "see no evil" trap from ''Saw 3D'').
* When the trap activates, it will:
** Funnel some kind of nasty substance into his eyes (maybe acid, bleach, or even some kind of insect).
** Vacuum his eyes out of his head.

[[WMG: The guy in the ''Saw X'' poster trap has nothing to do with the medical scam plot]]
Just as previous films had one off traps before the main horror began (Death Mask in ''II'', Classroom Trap in ''III'', Pound of Flesh in ''VI''), this poor sod earned Jigsaw's wrath for a completely different crime. Note how in the trailer, the four people involved in the medical conspiracy look nothing like the person on the poster. When the trap is glimpsed in said trailer, it seems to be another character.

Just as previous films had one off traps before the main horror began(Venus Fly Trap in 2,Chain trap in 3, Flesh scale in 6), this poor sod earned Jigsaw's wrath for a completely different crime. Note how in the trailer, the four people involved in the medical conspiracy look nothing like the person on the poster. When the trap is glimpsed in said trailer, it seems to be another character.

Zep seemed busy when he was being chased by Tapp.

[[WMG: Jigsaw is really Kevin [=McCallister=] from Film/HomeAlone]]
* Kevin was quite adept at dishing out vigilante justice with a variety of gruesome traps, particularly for an 8-year-old. It takes a twisted mind to permanently brand someone with a doorknob. His neglectful parents apparently never bothered getting Kevin therapy after two felons threatened to torture and murder him, since he deliberately runs away from a second family vacation, and his traps are noticeably more brutal in New York. Imagine what a kid like that would grow up to be.
** This has been taken to its [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOSuWfJeNO8 logical conclusion]]
** The timeline doesn't match up. ''Home Alone'' takes place when it was released, in the early 1990s, while the ''Saw'' movies seem to take place when they were released, in the 2000s. Even assuming Kevin [=McCallister=] changed his name to John Kramer, it wouldn't explain how he aged 50 years in only about a decade.

Afterwards, the Jigsaw philosophy slowly gains recruits, eventually being a considerable cult and even taking over small villages. After a century, it's one of the most powerful forces in America and has outlets in other countries. A little while later, and soon there are Jigsaws EVERYWHERE (deverywhere, deverywhere). Every household in America gets tested (gets tested, gets tested). It becomes bigger than hula hoops (hula hoops, hula hoops). Eventually it is the leading cause of death in the world and not a single person goes through their life without undergoing a Jigsaw trap. Of course some would prefer being DrivenToSuicide than to endure the traps. Quality of life declines and people forget what they knew, as slowly the Jigsaw become a seperate, more powerful class than the Non-Jigsaw. They're worshipped as gods, and scientific knowledge shifts to being exclusively the domain of the Jigsaw, as the Jigsaw do research into new traps and execute the Non-Jigsaw scientists for stupid reasons. Eventually the Jigsaw create AM from Literature/IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream, who kills the Jigsaw and most of the Non-Jigsaw, but still tries to perform his function...
* Alternatively, The Jigsaw and their ideology of rehabilitation ends up in the hands of The Party from ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. The Party successfully uses the Jigsaw rehabilitation methods and John Kramer's spying / surveillance abilities (well, after all, how can you have an IronicHell without a knowledge of people's personalities)? to design the Ministry of Love, and the purpose is twisted so that the purpose of the traps are not to make people appreciate life, but to make people appreciate Big Brother.

I haven't gotten up to ''Saw The Final Chapter'' yet, so I acknowledge that there may be something within the movie itself that contradicts this. However, I think that Bobby's traps were not created by John (who was implied to have finished his last traps in ''Saw VI''), nor by Hoffman (who was otherwise preoccupied with a RoaringRampageOfRevenge). They are, in fact, the creation of [[spoiler:Dr. Gordon]]. The logic behind this surrounds the lesson he himself learned: Empathy. Bobby was a charismatic self-help guru, but he was only using Jigsaw survivors to make himself some cash. He wasn't tested ''just'' because he was posing as a fake victim, he was tested because he was posing as a fake ''healer'' on top of it. By running Bobby through his tests, he experienced exactly what any Jigsaw victim would, leaving him to better empathize with the people he was claiming to want to help. To take this even further, the ultimate goal of making Bobby a true victim is to make him better able to stabilize other survivors, help them realize Jigsaw's message, and become more appreciative of their life after the trauma of a trap. This could also improve the recruiting potential for bringing survivors in the Jigsaw world, as they're less likely to have been pushed as far as Amanda or Hoffman were with proper counseling.

[[spoiler:Dr. Gordon]] was a follower of John's from the very beginning. Before Amanda converted, before Hoffman was blackmailed, he was there. His Test was intended to accomplish two main goals. His final Apprentice Exam, just like Amanda and Hoffman were intended to be given; and to cast him from the list of suspects. He'd been suspected already, and as things continued there was no guarantee they'd take a second look at him later. So he was put into a Test. If he died, Game Over. If he survived, he could either be a publicly traumatized survivor, or [[spoiler:as happened]], he could disappear as Missing Presumed Dead.

[[WMG:Jigsaw was testing himself in Saw 3.]]

* Concerning your last point, Jigsaw ''did'' drive his car off of a cliff and survive; ''Saw IV'' shows him pulling a part of the car out of his abdomen. He could certainly seen that as his "test"; after all, that's when he changed from John Kramer into Jigsaw.

[[WMG:''Jigsaw'' will be the final Jigsaw.]]
Because you can never say a horror franchise is 100% dead until the main villain is [[BackFromTheDead revived]].
* His body was ''cut open,'' though. And there was no mention in either IV, V, VI or 3D of the body unexpectedly going missing, so either [[AssPull Jigsaw is now capable of incorporeally possessing people,]] [[AssPull or he had a twin brother we never heard about.]]
** Solved by the fact that the game we see including the apparent revival of John Kramer actually takes place before any of the other films, and the evidence leading to John in the future was planted by his apprentice.
* Apparently further Saw films have been greenlit.

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** His body was ''cut open,'' though. And there was no mention in either IV, V, VI or 3D of the body unexpectedly going missing, so either [[AssPull Jigsaw is now capable of incorporeally possessing people,]] [[AssPull or he had a twin brother we never heard about.]]
*** Solved by the fact that the game we see including the apparent revival of John Kramer actually takes place before any of the other films, and the evidence leading to John in the future was planted by his apprentice.
** Apparently further Saw films have been greenlit.

** Made of the pieces Jigsaw was cutting out of the skin of the people he captured. Stick them to a spiky mannequin, or something, and if you get too much blood on it before revealing the message, you starve to death in some dismal underground room. Figure out how to do it without causing yourself harm (or at least without getting blood on the pieces), and you find the key (...not necessarily a ''[[ContinuityNod literal]]'' key, though). Would be good for someone with physically self-destructive tendencies, like Amanda (I haven't seen the later films, so don't know what happens there). They would have to find the path of least self-harm, or kill him- or herself once and for all (either way, making the human race slightly more appreciative of life on average). Would be an interesting twist, considering all the previous puzzles tend to revolve around getting blood out of a person's body, one way or another, to survive.