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** Nope, unfortunately, that's not true. Toriyama has confirmed this is the LAST game in the Lightning Saga, meaning, its the FINAL, Final Fantasy 13 game. He said the reason that its called Lightning Returns, and not XIII-3, is because this game shows "The Rebirth of Lightning" in that she's different now, and has transcended humanity, unlike in previous games. Its not because he's planning on making another FF game that's actually called XIII-3. Lightning Returns IS FF XIII-3, just it doesn't have that name.
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** Nope, unfortunately, that's not true.JOSSED. Toriyama has confirmed this is the LAST game in the Lightning Saga, meaning, its the FINAL, Final Fantasy 13 game. He said the reason that its called Lightning Returns, and not XIII-3, is because this game shows "The Rebirth of Lightning" in that she's different now, and has transcended humanity, unlike in previous games. Its not because he's planning on making another FF game that's actually called XIII-3. Lightning Returns IS FF XIII-3, just it doesn't have that name.
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** I don't think so, since the FF characters in KH are completely different than their true selves from their original games.
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** I don't think so, since the JOSSED. The FF characters in KH are completely different than their true selves from and not connected to their original games.
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** It would be possible, if it wasn't for the fact that Square specifically says, although you won't be able to see all the cutscenes in one playthrough, meaning there will be different choices, there will still only be ONE ENDING.
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** It would be possible, if it wasn't for the fact that JOSSED to some degree. Square specifically says, said, although you won't be able to see all the cutscenes in one playthrough, meaning there will be different choices, there will still only be ONE ENDING.
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** The problem with this though, is that after the time crash, no one can be born, and even if Serah was reincarnated right before the time crash, her reincarnation wouldn't have aged at all and would've remained an infant up to when Lightning returns. If this theory is true, her reincarnation would have to be unnatural.....
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** The problem with this though, is that after the time crash, no one can be born, and even if Serah was reincarnated right before the time crash, her reincarnation wouldn't have aged at all and would've remained an infant up to when Lightning returns. If But that doesn't mean this theory is true, her can't be true. Her reincarnation would have to could be unnatural.....
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*** Actually, this can't be true. In the latest interview about Lightning Returns, it turns out that Hope is still the same Hope from XIII-2, as he remembers what happened in XIII and XIII-2, he just can't remember how he felt back then. And he also went missing 169 years prior to the start of Lightning Returns.
To add to the original guess, the stable time loop could be then used by Hope to find ways to break the cycle. Through the many re-experiences, Hope can then properly aide Lightning in her quest and hopefully fix the world. This would explain why completing quests given by Hope will give Lightning ''more'' days, effectively delaying the end.
To add to the original guess, the stable time loop could be then used by Hope to find ways to break the cycle. Through the many re-experiences, Hope can then properly aide Lightning in her quest and hopefully fix the world. This would explain why completing quests given by Hope will give Lightning ''more'' days, effectively delaying the end.
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[[WMG: Bhunivelze is the Savior in the prophecy who tries to destroy the world, but is stopped by a hero, A.K.A. Lightning.
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* I mean, THINK ABOUT IT. In XIII-2, the Arbiter of Time said that after the end of time, a great battle with the heroes and gods of history would occur and that Bhunivelze would be the final boss. It was also said that the people trapped in the coliseum would stay there until the day of reckoning(pretty much when time was destroyed), at which point they would be freed so they could join the battle between Mwynn and Bhunivelze.
* I mean, THINK ABOUT IT. In XIII-2, the Arbiter of Time said that after the end of time, a great battle with the heroes and gods of history would occur and that Bhunivelze would be the final boss. It was also said that the people trapped in the coliseum would stay there until the day of reckoning(pretty much when time was destroyed), at which point they would be freed so they could join the battle between Mwynn and Bhunivelze.
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* Except that, the only reason the world is given more days, is because Lightning gathers Eradia that Hope gives to the world tree to heal it, and the World tree is what's keeping the World from being destroyed before time is up. Not because Hope is using a time loop to break the cycle.
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** Can't be, Hope was the only person who's timeline wasn't messed up and was the age he's suppose to be
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** The problem with this though, is that after the time crash, no one can be born, and even if Serah was reincarnated right before the time crash, her reincarnation wouldn't have aged at all and would've remained an infant up to when Lightning returns. If this theory is true, her reincarnation would have to be unnatural.....
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***Just because he's in his younger body doesn't mean that they can't be together
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** Can't be, Hope was the only person who's timeline wasn't messed up and was the age he's suppose to be
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* [[spoiler: Caius is confirmed to be returning as well. mysteriously, no word on how or if Yeul will accompany him...]]
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*** Actually, this can't be true. In the latest interview about Lightning Returns, it turns out that Hope is still the same Hope from XIII-2, as he remembers what happened in XIII and XIII-2, he just can't remember how he felt back then. And he also went missing 169 years prior to the start of Lightning Returns.
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*** No. Hope is 27 at the end of XIII-2: 24 in 10/1X AF, then three years later created and entered the time capsule, essentially jumping forward 387 years to 4XX AF, then another 100 years to 500 AF. What ''is'' screwy, however, is that because Alyssa's paradox is fixed, she wouldn't have been with him at any point by the ending of XIII-2. Hope probably won't remember her at all any more unless Noel told him about things somewhere in the last 500 years.
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*** No. Hope is 27 at the end of XIII-2: 24 in 10/1X AF, then three years later created the artificial Fal'Cie and entered the time capsule, essentially jumping forward 387 years to 4XX AF, then another 100 years to 500 AF. What ''is'' screwy, however, is that because Alyssa's paradox is fixed, she wouldn't have been with him at any point by the ending of XIII-2. Hope probably won't remember her at all any more unless Noel told him about things somewhere in the last 500 years.
**** Oh yeah, i forgot about that. You're right, he lost 13 years of his life. But the thing is, The Fal'cie was destroyed due to Hope seeing Serah curse him out for creating it, so that created 4XX AF, and that happened BEFORE Alyssa's paradox was fixed and she was removed from the timeline, so its not all that screwy.
**** Oh yeah, i forgot about that. You're right, he lost 13 years of his life. But the thing is, The Fal'cie was destroyed due to Hope seeing Serah curse him out for creating it, so that created 4XX AF, and that happened BEFORE Alyssa's paradox was fixed and she was removed from the timeline, so its not all that screwy.
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* It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'') migrate to Gaia, the world that ''VideoGame/Final Fantasy VII'' takes place in.
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* It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'') migrate to Gaia, the world that ''VideoGame/Final Fantasy VII'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' takes place in.
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*** He was 24 in 10AF, he time travels from *13*AF, so he was indeed 27 by the end of XIII-2.
*** No when he created the Artificial Fal'cie in 13 AF, he was already in 400 AF for a long time already. Its implied that he time traveled in 10 AF.
*** No when he created the Artificial Fal'cie in 13 AF, he was already in 400 AF for a long time already. Its implied that he time traveled in 10 AF.
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*** He was 24 in 10AF, he time travels from *13*AF, so he was indeed No. Hope is 27 by at the end of XIII-2.
*** No when heXIII-2: 24 in 10/1X AF, then three years later created and entered the Artificial Fal'cie in 13 AF, he was already in 400 AF for a long time already. Its implied capsule, essentially jumping forward 387 years to 4XX AF, then another 100 years to 500 AF. What ''is'' screwy, however, is that he time traveled because Alyssa's paradox is fixed, she wouldn't have been with him at any point by the ending of XIII-2. Hope probably won't remember her at all any more unless Noel told him about things somewhere in 10 AF.
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*** No when he
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* It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX]]) migrate to Gaia, the world that [[VideoGame/Final Fantasy VII]] takes place in.
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* It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX]]) ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'') migrate to Gaia, the world that [[VideoGame/Final ''VideoGame/Final Fantasy VII]] VII'' takes place in.
* It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in
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* It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX]]) migrate to Gaia, the world that [[VideoGame/Final Fantasy VII]] takes place in.
* It can't just be a coincidence that both titles have the EXACT SAME MYTHOLOGY, and this wouldn't be the first time that 2 Numbered titles lead into each other. One Example being that the people from Spira(the world in [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX]]) migrate to Gaia, the world that [[VideoGame/Final Fantasy VII]] takes place in.
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*** No when he created the Artificial Fal'cie in 13 AF, he was already in the original timeline before he died.400 AF for a long time already. Its implied that he time traveled in 10 AF.
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*** No he created the Artificial Fal'cie in 13 AF, in the original timeline before he died. Its implied that he time traveled in 10 AF.
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** When the timeline is disturbed thanks to Etro's intervention, Hope gets lost in time like Sazh and Dahj do. He finds himself in Nova Chrysallia, with equipment ready for his use to study and understand what is going on. From it he makes a guess about what is going on and discovers that, by the time he is 24, he will have travelled back to aide Noel and Serah. To prevent a paradox, he keeps his silence...
To add to the original guess, the stable time loop could be then used by Hope to find ways to break the cycle. Through the many re-experiences, Hope can then properly aide Lightning in her quest and hopefully fix the world. This would explain why completing quests given by Hope will give Lightning ''more'' days, effectively delaying the end.
[[WMG: Hope's de-aging: the timeline was partially fixed]]
After Noel and Serah defeat Caius, Mog states that the final paradox has been solved and that the timeline was repaired. But then Chaos spilled into the world from Valhalla because of the death of Etro. In the end, Noel and Serah's attempts to fix the timeline created one last paradox: the TRUE final paradox, one in which the timeline has tried to repair itself, but because of all the Chaos, things got even more messed up that [[TimeCrash time crashed]], resulting in anomalies like Hope being de-aged and Fang awakened from crystal slumber.
** When the timeline is disturbed thanks to Etro's intervention, Hope gets lost in time like Sazh and Dahj do. He finds himself in Nova Chrysallia, with equipment ready for his use to study and understand what is going on. From it he makes a guess about what is going on and discovers that, by the time he is 24, he will have travelled back to aide Noel and Serah. To prevent a paradox, he keeps his silence...
To add to the original guess, the stable time loop could be then used by Hope to find ways to break the cycle. Through the many re-experiences, Hope can then properly aide Lightning in her quest and hopefully fix the world. This would explain why completing quests given by Hope will give Lightning ''more'' days, effectively delaying the end.
[[WMG: Hope's de-aging: the timeline was partially fixed]]
After Noel and Serah defeat Caius, Mog states that the final paradox has been solved and that the timeline was repaired. But then Chaos spilled into the world from Valhalla because of the death of Etro. In the end, Noel and Serah's attempts to fix the timeline created one last paradox: the TRUE final paradox, one in which the timeline has tried to repair itself, but because of all the Chaos, things got even more messed up that [[TimeCrash time crashed]], resulting in anomalies like Hope being de-aged and Fang awakened from crystal slumber.
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The Jump Festa trailer reveals at the end that Lightning fears that she is no longer human anymore. Preceding that is a conversation between her and Lumina discussing "winds" being the voices of the dead. [[spoiler: It is then paired with an FMV of Lightning absorbing the souls of guards she has just killed]]. At the start Hope reveals that Lightning is [[spoiler: the saviour]], whom according to Noel [[spoiler: intends to bring about the end of the world]]. Her new Focus upon waking up is to [[spoiler: guide the people into the new world after the destruction of the world... which sounds a lot like ferrying the souls of the dead]].
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*** He was 24 in 10AF, he time travels from *13*AF, so he was indeed 27 by the end of XIII-2.
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** Nope, that won't happen. Hope, for reasons currently unknown, has regressed back to his 14 year old self, and even though he still has the mind of his older self, is still psyically 7 years younger than her.
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** Nope, unfortunately, that's not true. Toriyama has confirmed this is the LAST game in the Lightning Saga, meaning, its the FINAL, Final Fantasy 13 game. He said the reason that its called Lightning Returns, and not XIII-3, is because this game shows "The Rebirth of Lightning" in that she's different now, and has transcended humanity, unlike in previous games. Its not because he's planning on making another FF game that's actually called XIII-3. Lightning Returns IS FF XIII-3, just it doesn't have that name.
** I don't know, you could be wrong. I mean FF X connects to VII, as the Ultimanium for X shows that the people from Spira migrate to Gaia. And they're still part of the same series(Fabula Nova Crystallis) and have the exact same mythology. For all we know, the new world Bhunivelze wants Lightning to bring souls too to escape the world infected by Chaos, is the world that Noctis and his friends live in, in Final Fantasy XV.
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** I don't think so, since the FF characters in KH are completely different than their true selves from their original games.
** It would be possible, if it wasn't for the fact that Square specifically says, although you won't be able to see all the cutscenes in one playthrough, meaning there will be different choices, there will still only be ONE ENDING.
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* Liara's armour from MassEffect3. Noel and Serah got the N7 armour, so why not give a character voiced by Ali Hillis the outfit of another character voiced by Ali Hillis from the same game.
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* Liara's armour from MassEffect3.''VideoGame/MassEffect3''. Noel and Serah got the N7 armour, so why not give a character voiced by Ali Hillis the outfit of another character voiced by Ali Hillis from the same game.
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Back in ''[[FinalFantasyXIII XIII]]'', a big deal is made about the party's Focus being to transform into Ragnarok and bring about the end of the world. In the end, Fang is the one to achieve this (much like the first time), and the end of the world is assumed to be the destruction of Cocoon. However, the final 13 days of Nova Chrysallia and Lightning's new role in the game seems to indicate that ''this'' was the Ragnarok that the Pulse L'Cie were to bring out.
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Back in ''[[FinalFantasyXIII XIII]]'', a big deal is made about the party's Focus being to transform into Ragnarok and bring about the end of the world. In the end, Fang is the one to achieve this (much like the first time), and the end of the world is assumed to be the destruction of Cocoon. However, the final 13 days of Nova Chrysallia and Lightning's new role in the game seems to indicate that ''this'' was the Ragnarok that the Pulse L'Cie were to bring out.
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* Outfits from every Final Fantasy character in existence, including Noctis (as a means to promote [[FinalFantasyXV XV]]), which doesn't seem too far off from being possible (outside of time constraints/budget) considering Lightning gets Cloud's iconic SOLDIER 1st Class uniform and Buster Sword, and Yuna's robes.
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