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The ending of a work can make or break its reception. One of the reason audiences view works is the fundamental expectation that the ending will provide a satisfactory or fitting (a very {{Bittersweet|Ending}} or DownerEnding can still [[TrueArtIsAngsty be well recived]]) payoff for their viewing, following, and emotional investment in the work.

This is the extreme end of break.

A sub-trope of OvershadowedByControversy and SisterTrope to AudienceAlienatingPremise. Audience-Alienating Ending is when the ending is met with such backlash or [[BrokenBase divisiveness]] that those who haven't yet experienced the work or even non-fans hear about it. Maybe because it's the only or most vocal thing that's talks about it afterward, or maybe the backlash was so extreme it got media attention. The result is audiences avoiding the work regardless of it's other merits because they don't want to get invested in a work with such a disappointing or contentious payoff.

It's distinct from but often accompanies FanonDiscontinuity as many stop or avoid caring about the work rather than caring enough to "fix" it by pretending the disliked ending didn't happen. FanDisillusionment to the point [[FandomLifeCycle the fandom shrinks or vanishes from mainstream]] is a common indication of this.

The following are likely to contribute to an Audience-Alienating Ending.
* AngstAversion: The ending is seen as too dark or depressing.
* AntiClimax: The ending is underwhelming for what was seemingly built up.
* AssPull: The ending involves excess DeusExMachina, a CruelTwistEnding, or contradicts what's established.
* CutShort: The work is canceled before getting an ending. Especially if it ends on a {{Cliffhanger}}.
* EsotericHappyEnding: The ending was supposed to be optimistic but audiences think it failed to be.
* FanDislikedExplanation: The ending gives unpopular explanations to the works {{Driving Question}}s or setting.
* GainaxEnding: The ending is an incomprehensible MindScrew.
* LeftHanging: The ending fails to wrap up or address the plotline(s).
* NoEnding: The work just abruptly stops, no closure or resolution.
* SeasonalRot / {{Sequelitis}}: The ending is seen as not worth the decline in quality it takes to get there.
* ShaggyDogStory / ShootTheShaggyDog: The ending renders the characters efforts and conflicts pointless.
* WriterCopOut: The ending is seen as refusing to give the bold payoff promised.

Compare AudienceAlienatingPremise, HypeAversion and TheFireflyEffect for when audiences are dissuaded from a work before its actual contents/quality can put them off. Also compare EightDeadlyWords, TooBleakStoppedCaring, OpeningACanOfClones, TheChrisCarterEffect, KudzuPlot, and JumpedTheShark for when audiences lose interest in the work ''before'' the ending can put them off.

See also AwesomenessWithdrawal. Contrast EndingFatigue and ArcFatigue for when audience start ''wanting'' the work to end.

!! Note to Editors
This is not just complaining about ending you or fans don't like. It requires explaining how the dislike was such it would be apparent to, or effect its reception with, those who haven't seen the work or ending. Examples need six months since the ending to prove it was persistent and become widespread enough to count.

'''This is an EndingTrope, so beware of unmarked spoilers.'''

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* AssPull: The ending involves copious DeusExMachina, DiabolusExMachina, or contradicts what's established.

The ending of a work can make or break its reception. One of the reason audiences view works is the fundamental expectation that the ending will provide a satisfactory or fitting payoff for their viewing, following, and emotional investment in the work.

A sub-trope of OvershadowedByControversy. Audience-Alienating Ending is when the ending is met with such backlash or [[BrokenBase divisiveness]] that those who haven't yet experienced the work or even non-fans hear about it. Maybe because it's the only or most vocal thing that's talks about it afterward, or maybe the backlash was so extreme it got media attention. The result is audiences avoiding the work regardless of it's other merits because they don't want to get invested in a work with such a disappointing or contentious payoff.

It's distinct from but often accompanies FanonDiscontinuity as many stop or avoid caring about the work rather than caring enough to "fix" it by pretending the disliked parts didn't happen. FanDisillusionment to the point [[FandomLifeCycle the fandom shrinks or vanishes from mainstream]] is a common indication of this.

* AngstAversion: The ending is seen as too dark or depressing. Especially if there was a HappyEndingOverride.

See also AwesomenessWithdrawal. Contrast EndingFatigue, ArcFatigue, and FranchiseZombie for when audience start ''wanting'' the work to end.

This is not just complaining about ending you or fans don't like. It requires explaining how the dislike was such it would be apparent to or effect its reception to those who haven't seen the work or ending. Examples need six months since the ending to prove it was persistent and become widespread enough to count.

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Compare AudienceAlienatingPremise, HypeAversion and TheFireflyEffect for when audiences are dissuaded from a work before its actual contents/quality can put them off. Also compare EightDeadlyWords, TooBleakStoppedCaring, OpeningACanOfClones, TheChrisCarterEffect, KudzuPlot, JumpredTheShark for when audiences lose interest in the work ''before'' the ending can put them off.

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The ending of a work can make or break its reception. The reason audiences view works is the expectation that the ending will provide a satisfactory payoff for their viewing, following, and emotional investment in the work. Even a DownerEnding can be well received. But a disliked ending can break it by tainting all the work leading up to it.

A sub-trope of OvershadowedByControversy. Audience-Alienating Ending is when the ending is met with such backlash or [[BrokenBase divisiveness]] that even non-fan

Compare AudienceAlienatingPremise, HypeAversion and TheFireflyEffect for when audiences are dissuaded from a work before its actual contents/quality can put them off. Also compare EightDeadlyWords, TooBleakStoppedCaring, TheChrisCarterEffect, and KudzuPlot for when audiences lose interest in the work ''before'' the ending can put them off.

See also AwesomenessWithdrawal. Contrast EndingFatigue, ArcFatigue, and FranchiseZombie when the audience starts ''wanting'' it to end.

The ending of a work can make or break its reception. It's the basic audience expectation that the ending will provide a satisfactory payoff for their viewing, following, and emotional investment in the work.

Maybe ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime but the ending didn't work in practice or blotched the execution. Maybe WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants meant they never had good ideas or buildup for the ending. Maybe they're too burned out after all their work up to the ending to muster up a good one. Maybe TroubledProduction, ScrewedByTheNetwork, or DiedDuringProduction left no time to create a good ending. Maybe it had such a wide and passionate fanbase and so many characters and storylines there's no way it could satisfy everyone or done them justice. Regardless, the ending is


the dislike or [[BrokenBase divisiveness]] of the ending is such


A sub-trope of OvershadowedByControversy.

!Anvil cleanup:

!!Misused: {{Anvilicious}}

{{Anvilicious}} is supposedly to be used as an inverse of SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped, audiences disliking the heavy handed delivery of the Aesop.

[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/AnviliciousWickCheck Wick Check (63)]]: 33 (52.3%) neutral about Anviliciousness, 7 (11.1%) complaints about Anviliciousness (presumed intended use), 3 (4.8%) complaints unrelated to Anviliciousness, 13 (20.6%) ZCE
6 (9.5%) other issues.

6 (9.5%) other issues.

!!AnvilOfTheStory

AnvilOfTheStory was created as a SuperTrope for heavy handed Aesops to separate criticized use (Anvilicious) and praised use (SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped) in order to fix misuse of them. But both Anvilicious and SANTBD are in TRS because rampant misuse, so it has failed in that regard.

!!Misused: SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped

SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped is supposed to be heavy handed Aesops that audiences feel are improved due to their heavy handed delivery. But most examples are gushing about the Aesop, simply restating them or gushing about unintended Aesops) consistently disregarding the heavy handed part despite multiple cleanup efforts.

[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/SomeWicksNeedToBeChecked Wick Check (56)]]: 5 (8.9%) Correct, 3 (5.4%) Could be fixed to correct, 29 (51.9%) Misuse, 3 (5.4%) Zero context examples, 5 (8.9%) Interchangeably with opposite trope {{Anvilicious}}, 11 (19.6%) Other/unclear.

51.9%, more than half the examples are straight misuse. 8.9%, less than a tenth are done in a way that can be considered correct (but of them only one from YMMV.Joker2019 fully meets the criteria of saying it's heavy handed and that it improves the delivery of the Aesop). I've estimated 18% of the examples are potentially correct, but 27% correct still seems too low.

In order to separate the "heavy handedness improves the Aesop" and "liking the Aesop", it must be possible to simultaneously disliked the Aesop yet praise the Aesop for being in your face. Such a dichotomy does not sound humanly possible, hence the persistent misuse.

Anvilicious TRS revealed only 11.1% of examples are complaining about the heavy handedness of the Aesop. As many SANTBD examples overlap with Anvilicious showing tropers do not consider a heavy handed Aesop innately good or bad, it comes down to if they like/dislike the intended Aesop ignoring handling which is irrelevant to both Anvils tropes and seems to subjective even for YMMV (anything that would cause them to like/dislike it are their own tropes).

In short, the constant misuse despite years of cleanup efforts, the seeming human impossibility of separating the "likening the Aesop" from "liking the heavy handedness of it", and that Anvilicious seems to be considered innately bad (it was argued treating it as such violates Administrivia/TropesAreTools) means there's no reason for a separate "Anvilicious done well", leads me to conclude SANTBT cannot be kept anything more than gushing nor has justification for existing.

Most of the correct SANTBD examples are correct because the explanation the out of work reasons the Aesop was well received (even in a work it was controversial for as being accused irrelevant to the main story). Thus the only way I can think to salvage SANTBD is to rework/replace it with "Validated Aesop" or something similar which is about tropes where out of universe circumstances, intentional or not, cause them to be well received/justifying their heavy handedness. This criteria forcing examples to explain why they're well received should fix the gushing issue.

Any other proposed fixes?

AnvilOfTheStory was created as a SuperTrope for heavy handed Aesops to separate criticized use (Anvilicious) and praised use (SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped) in order to fix misuse of them.

!!AnvilOfTheStory

SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped is supposed to be heavy handed Aesops that audiences feel are improved due to their heavy handed delivery. But most examples are gushing about the Aesop consistently disregarding the heavy handed part despite multiple cleanup efforts.

[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/SomeWicksNeedToBeChecked Wick Check (56)]]: 5 (8.9%) Correct, 3 (5.4%) Could be fixed to correct, 29 (51.9%) Misuse, 3 (5.4%) Zero context examples, 5 (8.9%) Interchangeably with opposite trope {{Anvilicious}}, 11 (19.6%) Other/unclear

6 (9.5%) other issues

[[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/AnviliciousWickCheck Wick Check (63): 33 (52.3%) neutral about Anviliciousness, 7 (11.1%) complaints about Anviliciousness (presumed intended use), 3 (4.8%) complaints unrelated to Anviliciousness, 13 (20.6%) ZCE