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A lot of the more [[BrokenBase divisive]] aspects of the show ''WesternAnimation/{{Velma}}'' aren't new - many were [[OlderThanTheyThink already done]] in [[Franchise/ScoobyDoo previous installments]].
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* This isn't the first time that Creator/FrankWelker hasn't been the voice of Fred in a television installment of the series. Welker was also replaced as Fred in ''A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'', with him similarly having a RemakeCameo in form of being Fred's uncle Eddie.
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* This isn't the first time that Creator/FrankWelker hasn't been the voice of Fred in a television installment of the series. Welker was also replaced as Fred in ''A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'', with him similarly having a RemakeCameo in the form of being Fred's uncle Eddie.
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* Viewers who watched the show have criticized it over the fact Velma, Fred, and Daphne have gone through AdaptationalJerkass. However, there has quite a few adaptations in which the trio are depicted as much meaner than their usual baselines, the most notable being the first live-action film where they all spend a large portion arguing with one another, and Fred in particular is presented as being a narcissistic jock like his ''Velma'' incarnation.
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* Viewers who watched the show have criticized it over the fact Velma, Fred, and Daphne have gone through AdaptationalJerkass. However, there has have been quite a few adaptations in which the trio are depicted as much meaner than their usual baselines, the most notable being the first live-action film where they all spend a large portion arguing with one another, and Fred Fred, in particular particular, is presented as being a narcissistic jock like his ''Velma'' incarnation.
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* This isn't the first time Velma has been portrayed by (or as) a nonwhite person. She's previously been played by Hayley Kiyoko (who is of half-Japanese descent) in the Creator/CartoonNetwork live-action films, ''[[Film/ScoobyDooTheMysteryBegins The Mystery Begins]]'' (2009) and ''[[Film/ScoobyDooCurseOfTheLakeMonster Curse of the Lake Monster]]'' (2010), and voiced by Latina Creator/GinaRodriguez in 2020's ''WesternAnimation/{{Scoob}}'' The same also with Daphne being either non-white or mixed-race and portrayed by actors who are the same; in the live-action ''Film/DaphneAndVelma'', she is played by mixed-race Creator/SarahJeffery.
* A ''Scooby-Doo'' spin-off without the titular Great Dane isn't new. The film ''Film/DaphneAndVelma'' was the first to lack the character, as it only focuses on the titular women in their pre-Mystery Inc. days, with Shaggy and Fred also not being present.
* Quite a few people are under the impression ''Velma'' changed Shaggy's name to Norville. Shaggy's real name being Norville has been an element of the franchise since ''WesternAnimation/APupNamedScoobyDoo'' in the late 1980s. This is just the first time it hasn't been treated as an unspoken EmbarrassingFirstName.
* This is not the first official piece of ''Scooby-Doo!'' media to be geared towards adult audiences. The characters appeared in the ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' crossover episode "[[Recap/SupernaturalS13E16ScoobyNatural ScoobyNatural]]", in which the Winchesters and Castiel are sent into the classic ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou Where Are You]]'' series by a ghost and the bleed-over effect from "real life" causes it to become filled with murder, gore, and the gang getting badly injured by things they themselves note they usually bounce back from. The ''Scooby'' characters also made appearances in ''WesternAnimation/HarveyBirdmanAttorneyAtLaw'' over a decade prior to that, with Scooby and Shaggy being arrested for suspected drug use in one episode.
* Velma being slightly overweight goes back to the classic era of the franchise, with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou'', where she was depicted as such. Velma only became slimmer after the franchise's revival in the late 1990s.
* This isn't the first time that Creator/FrankWelker hasn't been the voice of Fred in a television installment of the series. Welker was also replaced as Fred in ''A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'', with him similarly having a RemakeCameo in form of being Fred's uncle Eddie.
* This series' Velma is shown to be a ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}''-esque DeadpanSnarker, which has rubbed some fans as an unusual characterization choice. While her snark intensity [[DependingOnTheWriter depends]] on the writer and series, interpretations starting from the 2000s have explored this side of her, along with her hard appeal to science and supernatural denial. ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated Mystery Incorporated]]'', in particular, has Velma as her most ''Daria''-esque but mellows out over the course of the series.
* The premise of Mystery Inc. gang dealing with mass violence and killing had been done in the ''ComicBook/ScoobyApocalypse'' comics.
* The idea of a Scooby-Doo entry having SelfReferentialHumor, AffectionateParody, or playing around with MetaConcepts of the franchise is as old as 1983's ''WesternAnimation/TheNewScoobyAndScrappyDooShow'', with every entry since also playing around with franchise staples to varying degrees.
* Viewers who watched the show have criticized it over the fact Velma, Fred, and Daphne have gone through AdaptationalJerkass. However, there has quite a few adaptations in which the trio are depicted as much meaner than their usual baselines, the most notable being the first live-action film where they all spend a large portion arguing with one another, and Fred in particular is presented as being a narcissistic jock like his ''Velma'' incarnation.
* Velma and Daphne being former friends before Daphne became an alpha bitch was tackled much more seriously in the first ''[[Literature/DaphneAndVelma2020 Daphne and Velma]]'' YA novel, ''The Vanishing Girl'', by Josephine Ruby.
* A ''Scooby-Doo'' spin-off without the titular Great Dane isn't new. The film ''Film/DaphneAndVelma'' was the first to lack the character, as it only focuses on the titular women in their pre-Mystery Inc. days, with Shaggy and Fred also not being present.
* Quite a few people are under the impression ''Velma'' changed Shaggy's name to Norville. Shaggy's real name being Norville has been an element of the franchise since ''WesternAnimation/APupNamedScoobyDoo'' in the late 1980s. This is just the first time it hasn't been treated as an unspoken EmbarrassingFirstName.
* This is not the first official piece of ''Scooby-Doo!'' media to be geared towards adult audiences. The characters appeared in the ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' crossover episode "[[Recap/SupernaturalS13E16ScoobyNatural ScoobyNatural]]", in which the Winchesters and Castiel are sent into the classic ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou Where Are You]]'' series by a ghost and the bleed-over effect from "real life" causes it to become filled with murder, gore, and the gang getting badly injured by things they themselves note they usually bounce back from. The ''Scooby'' characters also made appearances in ''WesternAnimation/HarveyBirdmanAttorneyAtLaw'' over a decade prior to that, with Scooby and Shaggy being arrested for suspected drug use in one episode.
* Velma being slightly overweight goes back to the classic era of the franchise, with ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou'', where she was depicted as such. Velma only became slimmer after the franchise's revival in the late 1990s.
* This isn't the first time that Creator/FrankWelker hasn't been the voice of Fred in a television installment of the series. Welker was also replaced as Fred in ''A Pup Named Scooby-Doo'', with him similarly having a RemakeCameo in form of being Fred's uncle Eddie.
* This series' Velma is shown to be a ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}''-esque DeadpanSnarker, which has rubbed some fans as an unusual characterization choice. While her snark intensity [[DependingOnTheWriter depends]] on the writer and series, interpretations starting from the 2000s have explored this side of her, along with her hard appeal to science and supernatural denial. ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated Mystery Incorporated]]'', in particular, has Velma as her most ''Daria''-esque but mellows out over the course of the series.
* The premise of Mystery Inc. gang dealing with mass violence and killing had been done in the ''ComicBook/ScoobyApocalypse'' comics.
* The idea of a Scooby-Doo entry having SelfReferentialHumor, AffectionateParody, or playing around with MetaConcepts of the franchise is as old as 1983's ''WesternAnimation/TheNewScoobyAndScrappyDooShow'', with every entry since also playing around with franchise staples to varying degrees.
* Viewers who watched the show have criticized it over the fact Velma, Fred, and Daphne have gone through AdaptationalJerkass. However, there has quite a few adaptations in which the trio are depicted as much meaner than their usual baselines, the most notable being the first live-action film where they all spend a large portion arguing with one another, and Fred in particular is presented as being a narcissistic jock like his ''Velma'' incarnation.
* Velma and Daphne being former friends before Daphne became an alpha bitch was tackled much more seriously in the first ''[[Literature/DaphneAndVelma2020 Daphne and Velma]]'' YA novel, ''The Vanishing Girl'', by Josephine Ruby.
