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** We find out in Season 2 that the chip's imperative wears off after the initial order is given. It is possible that after the order was given that Howzer was as clinical as any other clone, but in the time since, coupled with the lack of Jedi around, the force of it has worn off and his personality has started to reassert itself.
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** Dooku, as Tyrannus, also hired Jango Fett to be the clone template. The fact Omega has been in Nala Se's lab for most of her life, and is a ''literal child'', she probably never much cared for the politics of the Clone Wars.
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* Omega asks who Count Dooku is. Since he is the de facto leader of the enemy her clone brothers were made and trained to fight, shouldn't she know this already?
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* Omega asks who Count Dooku is. Since he is the de facto leader of the enemy her clone brothers were made and trained to fight, shouldn't she know this already?
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** Yeah, the last thing you'd want after your intended display of terror and intimidation is for a week later a news crew to find 90% of the population alive on a floating but very damaged city, wondering what all the fireworks were about.
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** Remember also how in ''Film/ANewHope'', and to a lesser extent ''Film/RogueOne'', the Death Star plans were treated more as a physical object and less as data that could be transmitted, downloaded, uploaded, and copied. Maybe data protection is on a whole other level in the Galaxy Far, Far Away, where certain kinds of data can be wholly unique. Or perhaps they only had one data stick because they only anticipated needing one data stick.
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** In the Legends continuity the city that the Empire destroyed was very much not their only major source of habitation. Even in Disney canon, the tunnel system shown in this and the previous episode practically demands other cities or else the tunnels are completely pointless. Is the situation a bit questionable? Yes; at the very least Crosshair should've asked to be dumped on some other planet with a functioning spaceport. But it also makes sense to investigate the bombardment's aftermath, if for no other reason than to remind the remaining settlements that the Empire is still out there and in control. Still a bit weak but not quite as stupid as it appears at first glance, at least in my opinion.
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** In the Legends continuity the city that the Empire destroyed was very much not their only major source of habitation. Even in Disney canon, the tunnel system shown in this and the previous episode practically demands other cities or else the tunnels are completely pointless. Is the situation a bit questionable? Yes; at the very least Crosshair should've asked to be dumped on some other planet with a functioning spaceport. But it also makes sense to investigate the bombardment's aftermath, if for no other reason than to remind the remaining settlements that the Empire is still out there and in control. Still a bit weak but not quite as stupid as it appears at first glance, at least in my opinion.
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* Why would the Empire send scouts back to a planet on which they just destroyed it’s only major population center? Tech seems pretty certain that they would and Crosshair stays behind to wait for them, but why would they come in the first place? To make sure the Bad Batch somehow didn’t escape? They didn’t know about the landing pad, so the Empire probably would have thought the clones would have nowhere to go if they survived the initial bombardment, and if they were expecting survivors why leave as soon as the city sunk? Obviously the scouts are coming, because the writers wouldn’t just let Crosshair starve or drown when the platform eventually lowered or collapsed, but this troper feels this explanation of how Crosshair inevitably got off Kamino wasn’t thought through very well.
** I don't know about the new canon, but in the Legends continuity the city that the Empire destroyed was very much not their only major source of habitation. Even in Disney canon, the tunnel system shown in this and the previous episode practically demands other cities or else the tunnels are completely pointless. Is the situation a bit questionable? Yes; at the very least Crosshair should've asked to be dumped on some other planet with a functioning spaceport. But it also makes sense to investigate the bombardment's aftermath, if for no other reason than to remind the remaining settlements that the Empire is still out there and in control. Still a bit weak but not quite as stupid as it appears at first glance, at least in my opinion.
** I don't know about the new canon, but in the Legends continuity the city that the Empire destroyed was very much not their only major source of habitation. Even in Disney canon, the tunnel system shown in this and the previous episode practically demands other cities or else the tunnels are completely pointless. Is the situation a bit questionable? Yes; at the very least Crosshair should've asked to be dumped on some other planet with a functioning spaceport. But it also makes sense to investigate the bombardment's aftermath, if for no other reason than to remind the remaining settlements that the Empire is still out there and in control. Still a bit weak but not quite as stupid as it appears at first glance, at least in my opinion.
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* Why would the Empire send scouts back to a planet on which they just destroyed it’s only major population center? Tech seems pretty certain that they would and Crosshair stays behind to wait for them, but why would they come in the first place? To make sure the Bad Batch somehow didn’t escape? They didn’t know about the landing pad, so the Empire probably would have thought the clones would have nowhere to go if they survived the initial bombardment, and if they were expecting survivors why leave as soon as the city sunk? Obviously the scouts are coming, because the writers wouldn’t just let Crosshair starve or drown when the platform eventually lowered or collapsed, but this troper feels this explanation of how Crosshair inevitably got off Kamino wasn’t thought through very well.
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**I don't know about the new canon, but in In the Legends continuity the city that the Empire destroyed was very much not their only major source of habitation. Even in Disney canon, the tunnel system shown in this and the previous episode practically demands other cities or else the tunnels are completely pointless. Is the situation a bit questionable? Yes; at the very least Crosshair should've asked to be dumped on some other planet with a functioning spaceport. But it also makes sense to investigate the bombardment's aftermath, if for no other reason than to remind the remaining settlements that the Empire is still out there and in control. Still a bit weak but not quite as stupid as it appears at first glance, at least in my opinion.
** It is always good military practice to assess the damage you've done after the dust has settled. Scouts would return to assess level of damage, and check for any survivors; hostile or friendly.
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** It is always good military practice to assess the damage you've done after the dust has settled. Scouts would return to assess level of damage, and check for any survivors; hostile or friendly.
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** I don't know about the new canon, but in the Legends continuity the city that the Empire destroyed was very much not their only major source of habitation. Even in Disney canon, the tunnel system shown in this and the previous episode practically demands other cities or else the tunnels are completely pointless. Is the situation a bit questionable? Yes; at the very least Crosshair should've asked to be dumped on some other planet with a functioning spaceport. But it also makes sense to investigate the bombardment's aftermath, if for no other reason than to remind the remaining settlements that the Empire is still out there and in control. Still a bit weak but not quite as stupid as it appears at first glance, at least in my opinion.
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* Why would the Empire send scouts back to a planet on which they just destroyed it’s only major population center? Tech seems pretty certain that they would and Crosshair stays behind to wait for them, but why would they come in the first place? To make sure the Bad Batch somehow didn’t escape? They didn’t know about the landing pad, so the Empire probably would have thought the clones would have nowhere to go if they survived the initial bombardment, and if they were expecting survivors why leave as soon as the city sunk? Obviously the scouts are coming, because the writers wouldn’t just let Crosshair starve or drown when the platform eventually lowered or collapsed, but this troper feels this explanation of how Crosshair inevitably got off Kamino wasn’t thought through very well.
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* Why would the Empire send scouts back to a planet on which they just destroyed it’s only major population center? Tech seems pretty certain that they would and Crosshair stays behind to wait for them, but why would they come in the first place? To make sure the Bad Batch somehow didn’t escape? They didn’t know about the landing pad, so the Empire probably would have thought the clones would have nowhere to go if they survived the initial bombardment, and if they were expecting survivors why leave as soon as the city sunk? Obviously the scouts are coming, because the writers wouldn’t just let Crosshair starve or drown when the platform eventually lowered or collapsed, but this troper feels this explanation of how Crosshair inevitably got off Kamino wasn’t thought through very well.well.
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* Why would the Empire send scouts back to a planet on which they just destroyed it’s only major population center? Tech seems pretty certain that they would and Crosshair stays behind to wait for them, but why would they come in the first place? To make sure the Bad Batch somehow didn’t escape? They didn’t know about the landing pad, so the Empire probably would have thought the clones would have nowhere to go if they survived the initial bombardment, and if they were expecting survivors why leave as soon as the city sunk? Obviously the scouts are coming, because the writers wouldn’t just let Crosshair starve or drown when the platform eventually lowered or collapsed, but this troper feels this explanation of how Crosshair inevitably got off Kamino wasn’t thought through very well.
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*** In Universe it is likely a mix of the above, as any Gamer who plays sniper in single player and then moves to multi player, firing on AI is a lot easier than people, who can adjust to a changing plan far more easily, and it is also possible that Crosshair is FightingFromTheInside, causing him to miss targets the real Crosshair wouldn't want to hit. Alternatively, if we assume that Crosshair's ImprobableAimingSkills are the result of a mental mutation we can speculate that Order 66 suppressing his true self may also be accidentally inhibiting his skills.
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*** Jesse, Hardcase, and Kix never knew about Cut. Sure they took Rex to the Lawquane farmstead after he’d been shot, but then they all took off to continue searching for General Grievous. They only ever interacted with Suu, as Cut only revealed himself to Rex later that night, and when Rex left, he was riding one of their farm animals to meet back up with his men.
** You mean it’s strange for a group of clones that have a penchant for not following orders to have a healthy relationship with a clone deserter who would be turned in dragged back to the army by most normal, duty bound clones? Hell, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest of Clone Force 99 helped Cut get away from the GAR, just as they help him get away from the Empire.
** You mean it’s strange for a group of clones that have a penchant for not following orders to have a healthy relationship with a clone deserter who would be turned in dragged back to the army by most normal, duty bound clones? Hell, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest of Clone Force 99 helped Cut get away from the GAR, just as they help him get away from the Empire.
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* Retrospective headscratcher regarding the motives of Fennec Shand and her employer (now revealed to be Nala Se) in the fourth episode: if Nala Se was content to have Omega remain with the Bad Batch to keep her safe from both Lama Su and the Empire in the ninth episode, why did Shand attempt to retrieve Omega and keep her away from the Bad Batch back on Pantora? Did the objectives of Fennec Shand and Nala Se change in the interceding time?
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**Just because it would have been handy doesn't mean they would have it. It's a training facility first and foremost, with a prison for special occasions. The commandos were wielding the weapons they were training the stormtroopers to use to do a better job, with their DC-17s in the armory for if they ever got shipped out. Considering they're being replaced and some clones have gone rogue already, it also makes sense to keep the best hardware out of their hands, just in case. The job is off the cuff and done without scouting so, despite it causing problems from lack of intelligence, the Empire also has no warning they're coming.
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** In Gregor's case, its probably literal PlotArmor, allowing Scorch to actually come off as competent for longtime ''Republic Commando'' fans, while at the same time not actually killing anybody. In Hunter's case, its probably exactly for the purpose of allowing him to escape so he can lead Crosshair back to the rest of the squad. That actually seems like something Crosshair would do.
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* Why are the commandos shown using basic DC-15 blaster carbines instead of their trademark DC-17m interchangeable rifles? Gregor was previously shown to use one in ''The Clone Wars'', and Wrecker is shown using this signature weapon ''in this episode''. Even the argument that the average stormtrooper being trained at the facility won’t have access to that kind of hardware doesn’t really hold up because the other attachments for the DC-17m probably would have come in handy for stopping the jailbreak.
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* Why does the Empire keep its prisoners in their armour? The series has models for the undersuits, so it's not likely to be a cost-saving measure to have Gregor and Hunter both in their gear while in a cell. They left Hunter wit basically everything he had on him it looks like, which seems a rather bad plan unless they're wanting him to escape and lead them to the rest of the Batch.
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* Is... Is Howser's chip just not on? He has painted armor, a unique haircut, and the friendly demeanor of an un-activated clone. He seems to have been stationed under Cham for the war's duration. Who is not a Jedi, so maybe Order 66 did not apply to him? (One can only hope this means that one day he can escape the Empire's grasp)
** You may have answered your own question (though I'm curious what the actual answer is, too). The chip might've not been activated due to lack of Jedi, and (based on his armor) being an ARC Trooper, Howser might be a bit more individualistic than most clones and so kept the old colors.
** You may have answered your own question (though I'm curious what the actual answer is, too). The chip might've not been activated due to lack of Jedi, and (based on his armor) being an ARC Trooper, Howser might be a bit more individualistic than most clones and so kept the old colors.
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* Is... Is Howser's Howzer's chip just not on? He has painted armor, a unique haircut, and the friendly demeanor of an un-activated clone. He seems to have been stationed under Cham for the war's duration. Who is not a Jedi, so maybe Order 66 did not apply to him? (One can only hope this means that one day he can escape the Empire's grasp)
** You may have answered your own question (though I'm curious what the actual answer is, too). The chip might've not been activated due to lack of Jedi, and (based on his armor) being an ARC Trooper,Howser Howzer might be a bit more individualistic than most clones and so kept the old colors.
** Howzer has some pretty nasty scarring on the side of his face, and we know head injuries can interfere with the operation of the chip. It is ''possible'' that whatever gave him that scar reduced the chip's level of control over him.
** You may have answered your own question (though I'm curious what the actual answer is, too). The chip might've not been activated due to lack of Jedi, and (based on his armor) being an ARC Trooper,
** Howzer has some pretty nasty scarring on the side of his face, and we know head injuries can interfere with the operation of the chip. It is ''possible'' that whatever gave him that scar reduced the chip's level of control over him.
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* Is... Is Howser's chip just not on? He has painted armor, a unique haircut, and the friendly demeanor of an un-activated clone. He seems to have been stationed under Cham for the wars war's duration. Who is not a jedi, Jedi, so maybe Order 66 did not apply to him? (One can only hope this means that one day he can escape the Empire's grasp)grasp)
** You may have answered your own question (though I'm curious what the actual answer is, too). The chip might've not been activated due to lack of Jedi, and (based on his armor) being an ARC Trooper, Howser might be a bit more individualistic than most clones and so kept the old colors.
** You may have answered your own question (though I'm curious what the actual answer is, too). The chip might've not been activated due to lack of Jedi, and (based on his armor) being an ARC Trooper, Howser might be a bit more individualistic than most clones and so kept the old colors.
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** Bane only had one quick draw to do with Hunter, who wasn't used to that. However, Fennec would have more experience fighting fellow bounty hunters, and she managed to close the distance to engage in hand-to-hand combat where she'd be better. Plus, Bane has had TheWorfEffect applied, implied by the metal plate in his head hinting at the last duel he'd had (and lost).
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** It seems like that he would have found out at some point, given his lack of reaction to it. It's possible he was told, but the trauma he endured made it to where he wasn't able to process it properly. After all, he spent a year being tortured and used as a weapon against his brothers, and he's clearly a lot more numb and less personable than he used to be, so even if he was told point blank, he's too damaged on the inside to be able to react to it than if he wasn't.
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** Fives didn't really know all that much about the chip before he got it out, thanks to Rex's data the Batch knew exactly where to cut, presumably the medical equipment was precise enough to get them out without cutting their hair, Or the chip was not in fact covered by hair.
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* Fives had to lose all his hair to get the chip removed in Season 6. Wrecker doesn't have hair. So why didn't Hunter and Tech lose their hair along with the chip?
