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* She could've have easily frozen Regina and Zelena in place, even while being choked, and cast the curse...unless she ''deliberately'' didn't fight back [[EvilIsPetty so Regina would have to suffer the pain of casting the curse again.]] Thoughts?
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* seriously what is her problem? She shows up for like two minutes to complain that Alternate World!Robin has no right to their daughter. Which is MetaphoricallyTrue because they aren't the same person. But she acts like she has the moral high ground here - she's the woman who ought to be separated from her daughter by being locked up somewhere for committing rape by fraud to get pregnant in the first place. She does not have room to pretend that she's a victim here, she's quite the victimizer. What is her problem? And what were the show writers thinking having her show up just to remind everyone that she's a rapist? At least with Regina we aren't getting eternally reminded of all those times when she raped Graham.

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* seriously Seriously what is her problem? She shows up for like two minutes to complain that Alternate World!Robin has no right to their daughter. Which is MetaphoricallyTrue because they aren't the same person. But she acts like she has the moral high ground here - she's the woman who ought to be separated from her daughter by being locked up somewhere for committing rape by fraud to get pregnant in the first place. She does not have room to pretend that she's a victim here, she's quite the victimizer. What is her problem? And what were the show writers thinking having her show up just to remind everyone that she's a rapist? At least with Regina we aren't getting eternally reminded of all those times when she raped Graham.
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* She could've have easily frozen Regina and Zelena in place, even while being choked, and cast the curse...unless she ''deliberately'' didn't fight back [[EvilIsPetty so Regina would have to suffer the pain of casting the curse again.]] Thoughts?
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** And protection spells seem to be tricky. There's the garden variety where when someone throws magic at you, a shield gets thrown up to deflect it. But that counts on you being ready when the magic is thrown at you. Then there's others like the cloaking spell Belle used in Season 3 - which had the effect of trapping the entire town so that no one could leave.


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** When he saw he was turning back into wood, he knew he needed a magical solution. So he went to Hong Kong to see the Dragon.
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* What I mean is, why don't any of the myriads of villains use Pinocchio, who due to the Blue Fairy's spell that created him CannotTellALie, to extract valuable information?
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*What I mean is, why don't any of the myriads of villains use Pinocchio, who due to the Blue Fairy's spell that created him CannotTellALie, to extract valuable information?
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**And as for the hearts... it's just the nature of the spell? I mean it's shown that once you've ripped out someone's heart, you can just crush it in your hand to kill someone, so the effect is much the same, with the added benefit that you can now use the heart to control them. Presumably the spell does not allow you to rip someone's heart out lethally, and it's not like Regina or Cora are actually physically strong enough to punch a hole in someone's chest and pull out their heart. They're removing the hearts with magic, not with physical strength, so if the spell doesn't kill the subject by doing it, it won't kill them.

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** Emma DID use guns early on in Seasons One and Two. She tried using a pistol against Maleficent's dragon form, and then again after being sent to the Enchanted Forest. They didn't work. At all. The second time, Mary chewed her out for it, and pointed out that doing things "the modern way" (so to speak) wouldn't work in their world. As for the apple turnover, Rumplestiltskin EXPLICITLY told Regina that if she killed Emma, the entire Dark Curse would collapse. Regina needed a way to permanently deal with Emma without killing her-- hence the sleeping potion.

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** Emma DID use guns early on in Seasons One and Two. She tried using a pistol against Maleficent's dragon form, and then again after being sent to the Enchanted Forest. They didn't work. At all. The second time, Mary chewed her out for it, and pointed out that doing things "the modern way" (so to speak) wouldn't work in their world. As Emma spent the entire first and second season TRYING to be GenreSavvy about dealing with fairy tail problems, and they either didn't work or backfired, so it's small surprise she stopped bothering after awhile.
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for the apple turnover, Rumplestiltskin EXPLICITLY told Regina that if she killed Emma, the entire Dark Curse would collapse. Regina needed a way to permanently deal with Emma without killing her-- hence the sleeping potion.
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** Emma DID use guns early on in Seasons One and Two. She tried using a pistol against Maleficent's dragon form, and then again after being sent to the Enchanted Forest. They didn't work. At all. The second time, Mary chewed her out for it, and pointed out that doing things "the modern way" (so to speak) wouldn't work in their world.

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** Emma **Emma DID use guns early on in Seasons One and Two. She tried using a pistol against Maleficent's dragon form, and then again after being sent to the Enchanted Forest. They didn't work. At all. The second time, Mary chewed her out for it, and pointed out that doing things "the modern way" (so to speak) wouldn't work in their world. As for the apple turnover, Rumplestiltskin EXPLICITLY told Regina that if she killed Emma, the entire Dark Curse would collapse. Regina needed a way to permanently deal with Emma without killing her-- hence the sleeping potion.
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**Emma DID use guns early on in Seasons One and Two. She tried using a pistol against Maleficent's dragon form, and then again after being sent to the Enchanted Forest. They didn't work. At all. The second time, Mary chewed her out for it, and pointed out that doing things "the modern way" (so to speak) wouldn't work in their world.
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[[folder:The steadfast insistance on doing things "the fairy tale way"...]]
*...borders on JustEatGilligan levels. Like the apple turnover. Why not spike the turnover with regular lethal poison? Same thing with the hearts...why not rip the hearts "the regular way", the way that kills the victim? Why don't the heroes or the villains ever think of using guns? And then there's Merida's CharacterDerailment, where she forgets all of the fighting skills she had in the original movie in order to rely exclusively on the Bear Potion. The mundane solutions may not be "fairy tale" enough, but they are far more effective.
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* What is that wolf that showed up in the first season to lead the sheriff towards finding out the truth behind Storybrooke? It can't be Ruby, as this wolf looks completely different from her wolf form. And it's not all in the sheriff's head since Emma could also see the wolf. How did the wolf know about all the things it led the sheriff to? Why did it only guide the sheriff and never anyone else, even after his death?

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* What is that wolf that showed up in the first season to lead lure the sheriff apparently towards finding out the truth behind Storybrooke? It can't be Ruby, as this wolf looks completely different from her wolf form. And it's not all in the sheriff's head since Emma could also see the wolf. How did the wolf know about all the things it led the sheriff to? Why did it only guide the sheriff and never anyone else, even after his death?
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* What is that wolf that showed up in the first season to lead the sheriff towards finding out the truth behind Storybrooke? Was that supposed to be Ruby as the wolf? Its appearance doesn't seem to match Ruby's wolf form, and if it is supposed to be Ruby, that leads to several other questions, such as: How could she turn into a wolf without magic? How did she know about the things she lead the sheriff to? Why did she specifically choose to guide the sheriff and nobody else, even after the sheriff's death?

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* What is that wolf that showed up in the first season to lead the sheriff towards finding out the truth behind Storybrooke? Was that supposed to be Ruby as the wolf? Its appearance doesn't seem to match Ruby's wolf form, and if it is supposed to It can't be Ruby, that leads to several other questions, such as: How as this wolf looks completely different from her wolf form. And it's not all in the sheriff's head since Emma could she turn into a wolf without magic? also see the wolf. How did she the wolf know about all the things she lead it led the sheriff to? Why did she specifically choose to it only guide the sheriff and nobody never anyone else, even after the sheriff's his death?
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* What is that wolf that showed up in the first season to lead the sheriff towards finding out the truth behind Storybrooke? Was that supposed to be Ruby as the wolf? Its appearance doesn't seem to match Ruby's wolf form, and if it is supposed to be Ruby, that leads to several other questions, such as: How could she turn into a wolf without magic? How did she know about the things she lead the sheriff to? Why did she specifically choose to guide the sheriff and nobody else, even after the sheriff's death?
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[[folder:August going from Phuket to Hong Kong]]
* When August started turning back into wood, he was in Phuket. He sounded pretty urgent about getting to a hospital. So, why take a three-and-a-half hour flight to Hong Kong?
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** Plot armor, villain arrogance, or villains need said heroes to further their plans. Back in season 1 in the Enchanted Forest it was revealed one of the major reasons Snow and Charming survived or escaped Regina is because Rumpelstiltskin helped ensure their survival to both make Regina desperate enough to cast the curse in the first place and make sure the two got together and have Emma so she could become the savior to break the curse.


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** It also takes time to learn. As mentioned before it varies from person to person how fast they can learn. Gold made comments on how Regina learned magic slower than Cora did. Zelena was described as a rare talent that was able to learn and master magic much faster than either Regina or Cora. Emma's fast learning was due to her being savior and being a product of true love. Even if Snow or Hook wanted to learn magic it could take them years to learn enough to use it even half as well as Regina.


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** There is probably a combination of things, such as reward for their service or being afraid if they leave that they will be killed. Sometimes these people are blackmailed into helping them or manipulated. The Genie/Mirror on the Wall was seduced by Regina, became infatuated with her, and she used that to keep him in her service for years.
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** With the major characters who were villains some of them didn't see themselves as villains at first and hated being called evil, but either eventually gave into it or started to view themselves as monsters. Regina hated the name Evil Queen at first and didn't want to be called it. Rumple convinced her that her actions had already doomed her from ever getting people's love and that she would be better off embracing it and using it to command respect and fear if she can't get their love. Rumpelstiltskin loathes himself for his character flaws. After he dropped his son through the portal after giving in to his cowardice he lost any self-respect of himself he had remaining and saw himself as a monster. He displays self-awareness from time to time and recognize despite his intent that his actions are still terrible and make him a monster. Captain Hook well he was a pirate who stole, killed, and whatever else he wanted regardless of how it harmed others. Like Rumple he had no illusions what he did was good and seems to view his actions as bad and with hindsight the reformed Hook seems to consider his old self an evil man. Zelena mostly embraced her Wicked moniker for similar reasons as Regina. Others like Cora or Peter Pan didn't seem to care if people saw them as evil or not, as long as they accomplished their goals. I suppose they all have their reasons for considering themselves evil or embracing it.
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** He tells her that nobody ages. That would include the kids in his school. As for Emma noticing if she stick around long enough, time started moving again when she decided to stay in town, so no matter how long she stayed people would have resumed aging at that point, which likely would have only added to her belief that Henry was merely crazy.
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* Why do people continue working for villains when villains kill their minions so casually? Over the course of the show, we've seen villains slaughter their own people for little to no apparent reason (like in "The Song in Your Heart", where Regina kills two of her own guards who did nothing to offend her and even seemed to be trying to do what she looked like she needed), so who looks at that and says "Yes, this is a person I'd like to work under? And why do villains do it in the first place? They're destroying their own assets that they'll inevitably have to replace (while their reputation as an employer continues to worsen), and they're making the heroes' jobs even easier in the meantime. So why does this happen?

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* Why do people continue working for villains when villains kill their minions so casually? Over the course of the show, we've seen villains slaughter their own people for little to no apparent reason (like in "The Song in Your Heart", where Regina kills two of her own guards who did nothing to offend her and even seemed to be trying to do what she looked like she needed), so who looks at that and says "Yes, this is a person I'd like to work under? under"? And why do villains do it in the first place? They're destroying their own assets that they'll inevitably have to replace (while their reputation as an employer continues to worsen), and they're making the heroes' jobs even easier in the meantime. So why does this happen?

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** Well, it's not that they don't see what they are doing as wrong morally, but that they justify their actions. In the words of the creators, everyone sees themselves as the protagonist of their own stories, not the bad guy. You can see your actions as evil (robbing a bank) but the reasons you have may make up for it (robbing a bank to get the money to save a dying loved one). In this show, most of the vilains really do have some valid reason to at least sympathize with their plight. Regina lost her true love and was emotionally abused, Rumpel is looking for his child, Maleficent lost her baby, Ursula lost her most prized talent which was also a remnant of her deceased mother, etc, etc. Very few villains on this show were evil for evil's sake. [[/folder]]

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** Well, it's not that they don't see what they are doing as wrong morally, but that they justify their actions. In the words of the creators, everyone sees themselves as the protagonist of their own stories, not the bad guy. You can see your actions as evil (robbing a bank) but the reasons you have may make up for it (robbing a bank to get the money to save a dying loved one). In this show, most of the vilains really do have some valid reason to at least sympathize with their plight. Regina lost her true love and was emotionally abused, Rumpel is looking for his child, Maleficent lost her baby, Ursula lost her most prized talent which was also a remnant of her deceased mother, etc, etc. Very few villains on this show were evil for evil's sake.
** Which leads back to the original question of why they call themselves evil. If they really think they're justified, why don't they call themselves heroes too, out to fight a system that screwed them over? In fact, they should see themselves as even bigger heroes because in their eyes, they'd be stopping a system that continues to screw people over to this day. Even if they recognize an individual act as evil, they'd still probably fall into an "ends-justify-the-means" mindset, or something similar.
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* Why do people continue working for villains when villains kill their minions so casually? Over the course of the show, we've seen villains slaughter their own people for little to no apparent reason (like in "The Song in Your Heart", where Regina kills two of her own guards who did nothing to offend her and even seemed to be trying to do what she looked like she needed), so who looks at that and says "Yes, this is a person I'd like to work under? And why do villains do it in the first place? They're destroying their own assets that they'll inevitably have to replace (while their reputation as an employer continues to worsen), and they're making the heroes' jobs even easier in the meantime. So why does this happen?
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** Paul Bunyan was seen illustrated in one of the books Henry and Violet found and there was a deleted scene that featured Rip Van Winkle (albeit in the Enchanted Forest). So we can at the very least conclude that American folklore does exist.


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** For the same reason that everyone in the real world doesn't know martial arts or went to law school to become a rich lawyer. Just because something can be taught doesn't mean 1) Everyone wishes to learn it and/or 2) that everyone will be good at it. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of magic users in magical worlds, however, extremely powerful users of magic seem to be far in between. We have people like Bo Peep who know or poses small forms of magic or magical items that they use and then other people who are born with an affinity for magic (Regina and Zelena) and some who have incredibly good teachers (Rumpel). There may not be enough extremely powerful magic users to teach extremely powerful magic to mediocre students who may never even be able to wield it as good.
** And while Good Magic exists, it also seems to be viewed negatively by a lot of people. The creators have stated magic can be addictive. That on top of the fact that magic always comes with a price, it's not hard to see why we don't see it used by the vast majority of the population.
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** The show has shown protection spells to be used quite commonly. However in terms of battles, we haven't seen many magical duels between two equally powerful sorcerers. Maleficent vs the Evil Queen though does feature Maleficent using what appears to be shielding/force field spells to block Regina's fireballs and flying weapons.

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** Well, it's not that they don't see what they are doing as wrong morally, but that they justify their actions. In the words of the creators, everyone sees themselves as the protagonist of their own stories, not the bad guy. You can see your actions as evil (robbing a bank) but the reasons you have may make up for it (robbing a bank to get the money to save a dying loved one). In this show, most of the vilains really do have some valid reason to at least sympathize with their plight. Regina lost her true love and was emotionally abused, Rumpel is looking for his child, Maleficent lost her baby, Ursula lost her most prized talent which was also a remnant of her deceased mother, etc, etc. Very few villains on this show were evil for evil's sake. [[/folder]]

[[folder: Why not train everyone in magic?]]
* The show has established that magic is something that can be taught. So why not teach everyone magic? It would be much better than most of the heroes showing up to a fight only to be KO'd immediately.



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* The show has established that magic is something that can be taught. So why not teach everyone magic? It would be much better than most of the heroes showing up to a fight only to be KO'd immediately.
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* As much of a cliche as it is, no one thinks of themselves as evil. So how can the villains can themselves evil with a straight face? If they're so self-aware, shouldn't they at least use the term with some irony or sarcasm?

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* As much of a cliche as it is, no one thinks of themselves as evil. So how can the villains can call themselves evil with a straight face? If they're so self-aware, shouldn't they at least use the term with some irony or sarcasm?
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* Thus far, the magic in this world is capable of telekinesis, sleep inducement, mass paralysis, and rapid teleportation. So why do the bad guys ever lose? Why not just teleport in, freeze everyone, and then kill them with TK? Even if somehow one villain didn't think of that, why wouldn't someone else at least think to teleport behind the good guys and kill them before they could react?
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[[folder: Why don't heroes upgrade?]]
* Every confrontation between good and evil goes the same way: villain shows up, heroes draw weapons, the villain knocks them away with TK, and then doesn't kill them for some reason. So why don't the heroes get magic weapons or carry some ready-made magic? Or at least come up with better tactics?
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[[folder: What is the story for Earth?]]
* Isaac talked about storytelling realms throughout existence, like Cruella's world. So what is the story for Earth's realm? Who is the protagonist? And who is supposed to be the in-universe audience for the stories generated in these realms?
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[[folder: How do they call themselves evil?]]
* As much of a cliche as it is, no one thinks of themselves as evil. So how can the villains can themselves evil with a straight face? If they're so self-aware, shouldn't they at least use the term with some irony or sarcasm?
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[[folder: Why not train everyone in magic?]]
* The show has established that magic is something that can be taught. So why not teach everyone magic? It would be much better than most of the heroes showing up to a fight only to be KO'd immediately.
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[[folder: Why no defensive spells?]]
* Given the number of times magic has been used to one-hit people, why has no one ever used wards for personal defense?
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* Second Question: Jekyll is very well established at this point to be a logical person, not overtaken with passions. So, was Jekyll's plan of revenge something hatched when Hyde discovered that Rumpelstiltskin had a wife and son? Or was it something that hatched when he was on the ship with her? If the former, you'd think he'd turn to poison, or some sort of trap, something much easier to pull off than ''physically killing Belle''. If the latter, what exactly set that off? Terrible, terrible time to be plotting a revenge scheme. And even then, Jekyll could easily come up with at least ten easy, efficient ways to kill Belle in the ten minutes he was on the ship with her. I understand entirely that the writers needed some dramatic way to show that in order to kill the doppelganger, you have to kill the original... but did the entire situation seem ''too'' contrived?

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* Second Question: Jekyll is very well established at this point to be a logical person, not overtaken with passions. So, was Jekyll's plan of revenge something hatched when Hyde discovered that Rumpelstiltskin had a wife and son? Or was it something that hatched when he was on the ship with her? If the former, you'd think he'd turn to poison, or some sort of trap, something much easier to pull off than ''physically killing Belle''. If the latter, what exactly set that off? Terrible, terrible time to be plotting a revenge scheme. And even then, Jekyll could easily come up with at least ten easy, efficient ways to kill Belle in the ten minutes he was on the ship with her. At the very least, a physical attack seems highly out of character. I understand entirely that the writers needed some dramatic way to show that in order to kill the doppelganger, you have to kill the original... but did the entire situation seem ''too'' contrived?
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* The reveal in 6X04 that Jekyll is a bit of a villain himself, aside from being disappointing to this viewer, didn't make much sense to me at all. I can understand perfectly that Jekyll blames Rumpelstiltskin for the death of Mary and for ruining his life, and it's not a stretch at all to think that he would want to get revenge by hurting Belle... but the way it plays out doesn't make any sense. First of all, the big tipoff (aside from the ominous flashbacks) is when Jekyll refers to Mary as being "his". Now, granted, this paints Jekyll as being slightly possessive or misogynistic, but that's not really anything new; and while it might not be the most endearing trait, it's not exactly evil (unless you're a feminist). At the very least, it becomes obvious to the average person listening to this conversation out of context that Jekyll's relationship with Mary wasn't exactly a fairy tale romance... but then, why would anyone expect it to be? So my first question is, why was Belle suddenly terrified for her life? She reached for her life alert shell before Jekyll did anything untoward.
* Second Question: Jekyll is very well established at this point to be a logical person, not overtaken with passions. So, was Jekyll's plan of revenge something hatched when Hyde discovered that Rumpelstiltskin had a wife and son? Or was it something that hatched when he was on the ship with her? If the former, you'd think he'd turn to poison, or some sort of trap, something much easier to pull off than ''physically killing Belle''. If the latter, what exactly set that off? Terrible, terrible time to be plotting a revenge scheme. And even then, Jekyll could easily come up with at least ten easy, efficient ways to kill Belle in the ten minutes he was on the ship with her. I understand entirely that the writers needed some dramatic way to show that in order to kill the doppelganger, you have to kill the original... but did the entire situation seem ''too'' contrived?
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** Henr wasn't even born at that point. They see a prepubescent Emma. It's 10 years after the curse had started.
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** The idea that the curse can be outrun makes no sense given all the details we have about it, so its unlikely being in the sea would have prevented her from being taken anymore than a fairy being in the sky. But regardless, if Regina really wanted to, she could have brought Ariel over, made her a mute, and made her a cripple, and have Eric a fish eating sailor who was married to another woman named Vanessa with Ariel desperately in love with him but unable to express it. Why didn't she? Because she didn't want to. She had already cursed Ariel by taking her voice and ruining her chance at love AND by bring eric to a place where even if she could get to him, he would have no memory of her, she wouldn't be able to talk to him, and she would still be a mermaid, so her original issue is made just a little worse. Ariel wasn't left out. She just wasn't brought to Storybrooke. She was still cursed.

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