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!! Eli Clark's Backstory:
What we know:
* Eli lived in Wales, probably in the 19th century. From an early age, he had some sort of supernatural visions that "caused Eli to view the world with an all-new perspective" (EN backstory).
* He rescued a bird, and as a result, became acquainted with his companion owl, the legendary Welsh queen Blodeuwedd (erroneously transliterated as Brooke Rose in his letter). Blodeuwedd's powers of foresight are stronger than Eli's, and he is able to share in her gift, on the condition that he must never write down anything he hears from her.
* He meets and falls in love with Gertrude, a merchant's daughter. Something that Eli sees in the future will benefit/protect Gertrude's father's business, and he breaks his oath to share this information with her.
* Gertrude's father's business grows as a result of Eli's information, but because he broke his oath, Eli loses his power.
* Gertrude writes him a letter, encouraging him not to give up, and referencing Blodeuwedd's legend, the trick that Blodeuwedd used to attempt to kill her almost invincible husband.
* The loophole in Eli's case seems to be that the owl must keep one eye open and one eye closed in order for Eli's transgression to be nullified. Blodeuwedd complies, but that is not enough. In order to atone for his oathbreaking, Eli must follow the instructions in the invitation he receives... and that is how he ends up at Oletus Manor.
What isn't clear:
!! Eli Clark's Backstory:
What we know:
* Eli lived in Wales, probably in the 19th century. From an early age, he had some sort of supernatural visions that "caused Eli to view the world with an all-new perspective" (EN backstory).
* He rescued a bird, and as a result, became acquainted with his companion owl, the legendary Welsh queen Blodeuwedd (erroneously transliterated as Brooke Rose in his letter). Blodeuwedd's powers of foresight are stronger than Eli's, and he is able to share in her gift, on the condition that he must never write down anything he hears from her.
* He meets and falls in love with Gertrude, a merchant's daughter. Something that Eli sees in the future will benefit/protect Gertrude's father's business, and he breaks his oath to share this information with her.
* Gertrude's father's business grows as a result of Eli's information, but because he broke his oath, Eli loses his power.
* Gertrude writes him a letter, encouraging him not to give up, and referencing Blodeuwedd's legend, the trick that Blodeuwedd used to attempt to kill her almost invincible husband.
* The loophole in Eli's case seems to be that the owl must keep one eye open and one eye closed in order for Eli's transgression to be nullified. Blodeuwedd complies, but that is not enough. In order to atone for his oathbreaking, Eli must follow the instructions in the invitation he receives... and that is how he ends up at Oletus Manor.
What isn't clear:
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!! Eli Clark's Backstory:
What we know:
* Eli lived in Wales, probably in the 19th century. From an early age, he had some sort of supernatural visions that "caused Eli to view the world with an all-new perspective" (EN backstory).
* He rescued a bird, and as a result, became acquainted with his companion owl, the legendary Welsh queen Blodeuwedd (erroneously transliterated as Brooke Rose in his letter). Blodeuwedd's powers of foresight are stronger than Eli's, and he is able to share in her gift, on the condition that he must never write down anything he hears from her.
* He meets and falls in love with Gertrude, a merchant's daughter. Something that Eli sees in the future will benefit/protect Gertrude's father's business, and he breaks his oath to share this information with her.
* Gertrude's father's business grows as a result of Eli's information, but because he broke his oath, Eli loses his power.
* Gertrude writes him a letter, encouraging him not to give up, and referencing Blodeuwedd's legend, the trick that Blodeuwedd used to attempt to kill her almost invincible husband.
* The loophole in Eli's case seems to be that the owl must keep one eye open and one eye closed in order for Eli's transgression to be nullified. Blodeuwedd complies, but that is not enough. In order to atone for his oathbreaking, Eli must follow the instructions in the invitation he receives... and that is how he ends up at Oletus Manor.
What isn't clear:
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* Was the bird that he rescued the owl? The Deduction Conclusions do say "starling", and some fans think that he rescued a starling that brought him to a druid, and that the druid connected him with Blodeuwedd (as a wish-granting, as a reward for saving the starling). Using Occam's Razor when reading the deductions, one could assume the "starling" was just a metaphor, and that the bird he rescued was his owl, but it is an interesting point.
And the big question - Druids?
And the big question - Druids?
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And the big question - Druids?
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* How much does Gertrude know? How much does her father know?
** It seems most likely that her father knows nothing, and Gertrude gave him Eli's information some other way than by telling him that Eli knew because he could see the future. Some have said that Gertrude's father was using Eli for his power, and made them break their engagement once he lost it. There doesn't seem to be a source that says this, however.
** Eli's letter reveals that Eli was originally not supposed to be in the game and that his motivation was partially monetary.
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* How much does Gertrude know? How much does her father know?
** It seems most likely that her father knows nothing, and Gertrude gave him Eli's information some other way than by telling him that Eli knew because he could see the future. Some have said that Gertrude's father was using Eli for his power, and made them break their engagement once he lost it. There doesn't seem to be a source that says this, however.
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* How much does Gertrude know? How much does her father know?
** It seems most likely that her father knows nothing, and Gertrude gave him Eli's information some other way than by telling him that Eli knew because he could see the future. Some have said that Gertrude's father was using Eli for his power, and made them break their engagement once he lost it. There doesn't seem to be a source that says this, however.
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!! Orpheus and the Manor:
* In the beginning of the game, Orpheus enters the manor by pushing open the door. He later concludes that something locked him in when the door doesn't budge after he tries to push it open again and even repeatly slams himself against it. The thing is, he ''pushed'' the door open to get in. Shouldn't he be ''pulling'' it to get out?
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* In the beginning of the game, Orpheus enters the manor by pushing open the door. He later concludes that something locked him in when the door doesn't budge after he tries to push it open again and even repeatly slams himself against it. The thing is, he ''pushed'' the door open to get in. Shouldn't he be ''pulling'' it to get
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* A lot of fans seem to think that Eli is blind, however, there is no canon source for this, and in the stage play, he definitely is not.
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* A lot of fans seem to think that Eli is blind, however, there is no canon source for this, and in the stage play, he definitely is not.not.
!! Orpheus and the Manor:
* In the beginning of the game, Orpheus enters the manor by pushing open the door. He later concludes that something locked him in when the door doesn't budge after he tries to push it open again and even repeatly slams himself against it. The thing is, he ''pushed'' the door open to get in. Shouldn't he be ''pulling'' it to get out?
!! Orpheus and the Manor:
* In the beginning of the game, Orpheus enters the manor by pushing open the door. He later concludes that something locked him in when the door doesn't budge after he tries to push it open again and even repeatly slams himself against it. The thing is, he ''pushed'' the door open to get in. Shouldn't he be ''pulling'' it to get out?
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!! Eli Clark's Backstory:
What we know:
* Eli lived in Wales, probably in the 19th century. From an early age, he had some sort of supernatural visions that "caused Eli to view the world with an all-new perspective" (EN backstory).
* He rescued a bird, and as a result, became acquainted with his companion owl, the legendary Welsh queen Blodeuwedd (erroneously transliterated as Brooke Rose in his letter). Blodeuwedd's powers of foresight are stronger than Eli's, and he is able to share in her gift, on the condition that he must never write down anything he hears from her.
* He meets and falls in love with Gertrude, a merchant's daughter. Something that Eli sees in the future will benefit/protect Gertrude's father's business, and he breaks his oath to share this information with her.
* Gertrude's father's business grows as a result of Eli's information, but because he broke his oath, Eli loses his power.
* Gertrude writes him a letter, encouraging him not to give up, and referencing Blodeuwedd's legend, the trick that Blodeuwedd used to attempt to kill her almost invincible husband.
* The loophole in Eli's case seems to be that the owl must keep one eye open and one eye closed in order for Eli's transgression to be nullified. Blodeuwedd complies, but that is not enough. In order to atone for his oathbreaking, Eli must follow the instructions in the invitation he receives... and that is how he ends up at Oletus Manor.
What isn't clear:
* What powers did Eli have before he met Blodeuwedd? Some fans have said Eli could see ghosts and fairies, but that these abilities had faded as he grew up. Is there a source for this? If not, I think the Occam's Razor view should be that his powers with Blodeuwedd aren't entirely new, but an intensified version of an ability he already had. (Which raises the question, does he lose it completely after he breaks his oath, or does it revert to what it was before?)
* Was the bird that he rescued the owl? The Deduction Conclusions do say "starling", and some fans think that he rescued a starling that brought him to a druid, and that the druid connected him with Blodeuwedd (as a wish-granting, as a reward for saving the starling). Using Occam's Razor when reading the deductions, one could assume the "starling" was just a metaphor, and that the bird he rescued was his owl, but it is an interesting point.
And the big question - Druids?
* The English translation of Eli's fourth deduction conclusion is, "It has brought a true seer, druid." This implies that the "true seer" was brought to the druid by the bird. The Japanese translation says "どうやら正真正銘のデュイドの占い師を連れてきたらしい。" - "[It] has brought a true druid seer." Though, the katakana for "druid" is weird, which might indicate that the Japanese translation has as many issues as the English.
** One interpretation here is that the starling brought Eli to a druid, and the druid summoned Blodeuwedd, and that Blodeuwedd is the "real druid seer" mentioned.
** You could also interpret it to say that ''Eli'' is the "true druid seer", brought by the owl (after he rescued her) to some other group of druids, who have rarely seen a seer with powers as "true" as his.
* So, however you parse it, there is some force regulating Eli's use of his powers. Blodeuwedd helps Eli with the loophole - Eli wouldn't force her to keep one eye open and one closed, she does it to help him. So there must be someone else saying that that isn't enough, he has to go to the manor. This could be a druid, or a group of druids. It could also be that Eli and Blodeuwedd are the only druids, and the rulekeeper is some sort of god. Someone has also theorized that the oak tree mentioned in the deductions is sacred somehow. Maybe a god in the tree did all of this?
Also:
* How much does Gertrude know? How much does her father know?
** It seems most likely that her father knows nothing, and Gertrude gave him Eli's information some other way than by telling him that Eli knew because he could see the future. Some have said that Gertrude's father was using Eli for his power, and made them break their engagement once he lost it. There doesn't seem to be a source that says this, however.
* What connections do the Druids have to the manor, the games, Hastur, etc.? Was Eli sent to the manor as a form of spiritual quest?
* Since when has Eli worn those dark robes? Are his clothes related to his being a druid, or involved with druids? It doesn't seem likely that he walked around town dressed like that as the fiancee of the daughter of a 19th century businessman, so it's likely that he either wore those clothes just for rituals, or never before leaving for the manor.
* A lot of fans seem to think that Eli is blind, however, there is no canon source for this, and in the stage play, he definitely is not.
What we know:
* Eli lived in Wales, probably in the 19th century. From an early age, he had some sort of supernatural visions that "caused Eli to view the world with an all-new perspective" (EN backstory).
* He rescued a bird, and as a result, became acquainted with his companion owl, the legendary Welsh queen Blodeuwedd (erroneously transliterated as Brooke Rose in his letter). Blodeuwedd's powers of foresight are stronger than Eli's, and he is able to share in her gift, on the condition that he must never write down anything he hears from her.
* He meets and falls in love with Gertrude, a merchant's daughter. Something that Eli sees in the future will benefit/protect Gertrude's father's business, and he breaks his oath to share this information with her.
* Gertrude's father's business grows as a result of Eli's information, but because he broke his oath, Eli loses his power.
* Gertrude writes him a letter, encouraging him not to give up, and referencing Blodeuwedd's legend, the trick that Blodeuwedd used to attempt to kill her almost invincible husband.
* The loophole in Eli's case seems to be that the owl must keep one eye open and one eye closed in order for Eli's transgression to be nullified. Blodeuwedd complies, but that is not enough. In order to atone for his oathbreaking, Eli must follow the instructions in the invitation he receives... and that is how he ends up at Oletus Manor.
What isn't clear:
* What powers did Eli have before he met Blodeuwedd? Some fans have said Eli could see ghosts and fairies, but that these abilities had faded as he grew up. Is there a source for this? If not, I think the Occam's Razor view should be that his powers with Blodeuwedd aren't entirely new, but an intensified version of an ability he already had. (Which raises the question, does he lose it completely after he breaks his oath, or does it revert to what it was before?)
* Was the bird that he rescued the owl? The Deduction Conclusions do say "starling", and some fans think that he rescued a starling that brought him to a druid, and that the druid connected him with Blodeuwedd (as a wish-granting, as a reward for saving the starling). Using Occam's Razor when reading the deductions, one could assume the "starling" was just a metaphor, and that the bird he rescued was his owl, but it is an interesting point.
And the big question - Druids?
* The English translation of Eli's fourth deduction conclusion is, "It has brought a true seer, druid." This implies that the "true seer" was brought to the druid by the bird. The Japanese translation says "どうやら正真正銘のデュイドの占い師を連れてきたらしい。" - "[It] has brought a true druid seer." Though, the katakana for "druid" is weird, which might indicate that the Japanese translation has as many issues as the English.
** One interpretation here is that the starling brought Eli to a druid, and the druid summoned Blodeuwedd, and that Blodeuwedd is the "real druid seer" mentioned.
** You could also interpret it to say that ''Eli'' is the "true druid seer", brought by the owl (after he rescued her) to some other group of druids, who have rarely seen a seer with powers as "true" as his.
* So, however you parse it, there is some force regulating Eli's use of his powers. Blodeuwedd helps Eli with the loophole - Eli wouldn't force her to keep one eye open and one closed, she does it to help him. So there must be someone else saying that that isn't enough, he has to go to the manor. This could be a druid, or a group of druids. It could also be that Eli and Blodeuwedd are the only druids, and the rulekeeper is some sort of god. Someone has also theorized that the oak tree mentioned in the deductions is sacred somehow. Maybe a god in the tree did all of this?
Also:
* How much does Gertrude know? How much does her father know?
** It seems most likely that her father knows nothing, and Gertrude gave him Eli's information some other way than by telling him that Eli knew because he could see the future. Some have said that Gertrude's father was using Eli for his power, and made them break their engagement once he lost it. There doesn't seem to be a source that says this, however.
* What connections do the Druids have to the manor, the games, Hastur, etc.? Was Eli sent to the manor as a form of spiritual quest?
* Since when has Eli worn those dark robes? Are his clothes related to his being a druid, or involved with druids? It doesn't seem likely that he walked around town dressed like that as the fiancee of the daughter of a 19th century businessman, so it's likely that he either wore those clothes just for rituals, or never before leaving for the manor.
* A lot of fans seem to think that Eli is blind, however, there is no canon source for this, and in the stage play, he definitely is not.
