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** Brody's converted to Islam, yet he's drinking beer and champagne, and even frying bacon (although I'm unsure if he ever eats it). He's very strict about the other tenets of the faith, yet this he disregards? Might be to avoid blowing his cover, but surely he could come up with some excuse not to drink?
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** With Walden it's because Brody is trying to stay close to him to try and steer him in a direction he wants (and later because that's what Nasir wants). With the other guy it's not that Brody is saying "I don't want to run," it's that Brody is denying being any kind of hero and not deserving of the praise that is being given to him. Both assume that he's acting out of modesty and will feel obligated to go for the VP position when it comes time.
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* Why in the middle batch of Season 2 does the VP and the other guy in the horse stable insist that Brody run for VP if he's indicating he doesn't want to do it? It's an extremely rigourous process and not for the weak-willed nor is it for anyone who doesn't fully and completely covet the role. If Brody is not voluntarily wanting the position or even showing a whiff of hesitancy, that would go a long way towards taking him out of the running
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**** Seems you're right, from some dialogue in Season 3. (Plus, good catch that she was wearing a visitors pass throughout Season 2. I hadn't caught that.) I do think a lot of her losing her job was because they thought she was wrongly stalking Brody. After she was proven right (but apparently hadn't been rehired), who knows what security clearance she had, but she seemed privy to everything she'd have been privy to if she had been rehired.
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*** I don't think she ever officially was, it was her mental state and actions that got her fired, not being right or wrong about Brody, being vindicated about that doesn't change the other factors that led to her security clearance being pulled. It always seemed to this troper that she was never truly rehired, just a member of the off the books team Saul put together, much the same way Carrie used the other two guys in the team in season 1. She certainly seemed to get more information and access than someone in her position should be getting, but that just goes against the fact the team is run by her mentor. If you notice throughout the second season she wears a visitors pass whenever she visits Langley not an agents badge like all the confirmed CIA character have.
**** Or Not, after I went and wrote all that out, Season 3 episode 1 airs the next day which makes it pretty clear she was rehired but maintained cover that she was only consulting.
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*** I don't think she ever officially was, it was her mental state and actions that got her fired, not being right or wrong about Brody, being vindicated about that doesn't change the other factors that led to her security clearance being pulled. It always seemed to this troper that she was never truly rehired, just a member of the off the books team Saul put together, much the same way Carrie used the other two guys in the team in season 1. She certainly seemed to get more information and access than someone in her position should be getting, but that just goes against the fact the team is run by her mentor. If you notice throughout the second season she wears a visitors pass whenever she visits Langley not an agents badge like all the confirmed CIA character have.
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**** Or Not, after I went and wrote all that out,
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**** Or Not, after I went and wrote all that out, Season 3 episode 1 airs the next day which makes it pretty clear she was rehired but maintained cover that she was only consulting.
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*** I don't think she ever officially was, it was her mental state and actions that got her fired, not being right or wrong about Brody, being vindicated about that doesn't change the other factors that led to her security clearance being pulled. It always seemed to this troper that she was never truly rehired, just a member of the off the books team Saul put together, much the same way Carrie used the other two guys in the team in season 1. If you notice throughout the season she wears a visitors pass whenever she visits Langley not an agents badge like all the confirmed CIA character have.
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*** I don't think she ever officially was, it was her mental state and actions that got her fired, not being right or wrong about Brody, being vindicated about that doesn't change the other factors that led to her security clearance being pulled. It always seemed to this troper that she was never truly rehired, just a member of the off the books team Saul put together, much the same way Carrie used the other two guys in the team in season 1. She certainly seemed to get more information and access than someone in her position should be getting, but that just goes against the fact the team is run by her mentor. If you notice throughout the second season she wears a visitors pass whenever she visits Langley not an agents badge like all the confirmed CIA character have.
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*** I don't think she ever officially was, it was her mental state and actions that got her fired, not being right or wrong about Brody, being vindicated about that doesn't change the other factors that led to her security clearance being pulled. It always seemed to this troper that she was never truly rehired, just a member of the off the books team Saul put together, much the same way Carrie used the other two guys in the team in season 1. If you notice throughout the season she wears a visitors pass whenever she visits Langley not an agents badge like all the confirmed CIA character have.
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** Because they're best friends. Do you honestly think that Mike gives a flying fuck that his best friend calls him by his first name, or that the military cares that their new poster boy is informal with his friend? By that point Brody is essentially only apart of the military by paper, as his role in season one is a motivational speaker and propaganda symbol (plus he can always pull out the "I spent 8 years a POW for this country" card). Considering some of the slack that invaluable members of the military can get (the military consultants for Series/StargateSG1 commented that people of the {{=O'Neil's=}} rank routinely got away with worse than anything he did on the show because they were that damn important it wasn't worth wasting time with comparatively pety protocols) I'd be suprised if any one member of the military took a look at that situation and thought it serious enough to get involved with.
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* It's never explained why Sergeant/Gunnery Sergeant Brody (a non-commissioned officer) is allowed to refer to Captain Mike Faber (a commissioned officer) so informally and by his first name, a pretty serious breach of protocol in the military. By the second season, it's a moot point as Brody isn't in the military any longer.
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** The reaction isn't unreasonable at all. While people commonly marry outside their faith, that is discussed beforehand. Converting (even between Catholicism and Protestantism, much less from Christianity to Islam) without telling one's spouse...that would be a big deal for a member of a couple who are even somewhat religious. Then add in that Brody converted to the religion of those who were imprisoning him (and his wife had lots of time to develop a hatred of the whole religion for it), and it's not at all surprising that she freaked out.
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** One has to assume it happened off camera after she was proven right about Brody.
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** The whole InvisiblePresident thing is a real flaw in the series. I'm sure they want to maintain NoCelebritiesWereHarmed, so make it clear it isn't Obama by casting a white president. It's clear it isn't Bush because Bin Laden was killed before the series started, and it's clear it wasn't someone before Bush because 9/11 occurred before the series started.
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**** What episode was that? I just read over the synopsis of the episode where they find out Walker's alive and it doesn't mention them meeting on the lawn or Jess watching. Are you sure you're not confusing this with a different scene?
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*** Well she saw Carrie outside of their house when she came to tell Brody that Walker was still alive, Brody would have had to have said something to explain why he got out of bed at the crack of dawn to talk to a strange woman on the lawn, and put two and two together. Carrie was also at Walker's funeral and could have been seen there too.
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** Besides everything else on her plate, I'd imagine that hiding the paper trail of something like that is much harder than just getting them under the table from a relative.
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** They're a right wing family. What surprises me is she never just says "I was speaking hypothetically".
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*In the first episode of Season 2, Dana accidentally tells her class that Brody is a Muslim. Okay..., but the way Mrs. Brody freaks out is ridiculous! Okay, he didnt tell her, but the fact that he ''converted to Islam'' is enough to make her royally freak out? I'm offended, and i'm not even Islamic.
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* In the first season, Carrie has significiant issues obtaining clozapine, to the point where her sister supplies her. It's explained that she can't go to a doctor on account of her security clearance, but why not buy it under a pseudonym from an online "pharmacy?" That's something college students in the real world can do, let alone a fictional superspy.
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** Because he's far more ruthless.
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** It's not a funeral; it's a memorial, and it's for Walden as a former CIA director, not as a dead VP.
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** Then it still doesn't make sense. When Brody talks to Jess about becoming a politician she announces that the press will find out about "That CIA Agent you fucked" leaving Brody looking dumbfounded as if he had no idea she knew. I suspect they were planning a scene where Jess meets Carrie but it either never got shot or it got left on the cutting room floor.
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** It's not shown on screen, but Brody told Jess about the weekend he spent with Carrie. One of their first conversations after that episode references it.
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**Walker's not that valuable. He's wanted so he can't move undetected and their sniper plot went south. You could tell that he was about ready to kill Brody for failing the plot, the two would never work together again.
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**To Maintain his cover. Their plan hinges on him becoming a public figure so he can get close to the vice president.
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*Why would Abu Nazir insist that Brody shoot Walker. Walker's the second most valuable assett he has. I know it makes a good bad-ass moment to have Brody shoot someone on command, but it strikes me as a poor decision strategically?
*Why isn't Walker all zombie-like and glossy like Brody? Can we be sure he's turned?
*If Brody plans to suicide bomb pretty shortly after getting back to the country, why does he care about reconciling with his wife, bonding with his kids, or going to support groups for PTSD veterans?
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