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** Actually I think is was mentioned in the brief that Fort Santa Monica was the staging area for the [[spoiler:Final Assault on the Federation Satellite Array]], so the Americans must have either pushed them back to the beach, or taken it back later in the war.
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* Existance of ODIN. Why did the US construct a space-based weapon of mass destruction in violation of multiple international treaties?
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* Existance of ODIN. Why did the US construct a space-based weapon of mass destruction in violation of multiple international treaties?treaties?
**The Treaties only prohibit the NUCLEAR proliferation of space. Conventional weapons are fine in fact the United States Air Force is actually working on a system called Prompt Global Strike (P.G.S.) which is designed to deliver a precision conventional weapon strike anywhere in the world, in one hour. One of the proposed payloads for such a system is a Kinetic Strike, or "Rods from God" if you will. They even named the project after the Viking God Thor, so we may very well have an an Orbital Weapons Platform very similar to Odin or [[spoiler:Loki]] by 2017.
**The Treaties only prohibit the NUCLEAR proliferation of space. Conventional weapons are fine in fact the United States Air Force is actually working on a system called Prompt Global Strike (P.G.S.) which is designed to deliver a precision conventional weapon strike anywhere in the world, in one hour. One of the proposed payloads for such a system is a Kinetic Strike, or "Rods from God" if you will. They even named the project after the Viking God Thor, so we may very well have an an Orbital Weapons Platform very similar to Odin or [[spoiler:Loki]] by 2017.
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** The debriefing didn't take place in Las Vegas. Keegan went to DC to attend the debriefing while the rest of the Ghosts went to Las Vegas where they had a safehouse set up.
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** The debriefing didn't take place in Las Vegas. Keegan went to DC to attend the debriefing while the rest of the Ghosts went to Las Vegas where they had a safehouse set up.up.
* Existance of ODIN. Why did the US construct a space-based weapon of mass destruction in violation of multiple international treaties?
* Existance of ODIN. Why did the US construct a space-based weapon of mass destruction in violation of multiple international treaties?
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* Can someone explain to me why the secretary of defense would order a debriefing in Las Vegas? Surely there is a more secure meeting place away from the frontlines?
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* Can someone explain to me why the secretary of defense would order a debriefing in Las Vegas? Surely there is a more secure meeting place away from the
** The debriefing didn't take place in Las Vegas. Keegan went to DC to attend the debriefing while the rest of the Ghosts went to Las Vegas where they had a safehouse set up.
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* So can someone explain how in the holy heck Rorke survived [[spoiler:getting shot with a revolver to the chest, and being left to drown in a sinking train, which Logan and Hesh barely escaped before they would have drowned?]] I mean, that is one heck of a stretch.
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* So can someone explain how in the holy heck Rorke survived [[spoiler:getting shot with a revolver to the chest, and being left to drown in a sinking train, which Logan and Hesh barely escaped before they would have drowned?]] I mean, that is one heck of a stretch.stretch.
* Can someone explain to me why the secretary of defense would order a debriefing in Las Vegas? Surely there is a more secure meeting place away from the frontlines?
* Can someone explain to me why the secretary of defense would order a debriefing in Las Vegas? Surely there is a more secure meeting place away from the frontlines?
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*** Another possibility is Russia is allied with the Federation and is keeping NATO's European forces tied down.
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** On that note, why the hell would the Americans put drone control, which is a critical lynchpin to their defense, literally right on the frontline? It makes no damn sense.
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** On that note, why the hell would the Americans put drone control, which is a critical lynchpin to their defense, literally right on the frontline? It makes no damn sense.sense.
* So can someone explain how in the holy heck Rorke survived [[spoiler:getting shot with a revolver to the chest, and being left to drown in a sinking train, which Logan and Hesh barely escaped before they would have drowned?]] I mean, that is one heck of a stretch.
* So can someone explain how in the holy heck Rorke survived [[spoiler:getting shot with a revolver to the chest, and being left to drown in a sinking train, which Logan and Hesh barely escaped before they would have drowned?]] I mean, that is one heck of a stretch.
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* During operation Homecoming was fort Santa Monica lost to the federation? Drone control was taken out and US forces where retreating.
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* During operation Homecoming was fort Santa Monica lost to the federation? Drone control was taken out and US forces where
** Most likely, considering Santa Monica is never mentioned again.
** On that note, why the hell would the Americans put drone control, which is a critical lynchpin to their defense, literally right on the frontline? It makes no damn sense.
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** What, they can't get gas from Russia? They're a big energy producer too, if not necessarily as friendly.
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** What, they can't get gas from Russia? They're a big energy producer too, if not necessarily as friendly.friendly.
* During operation Homecoming was fort Santa Monica lost to the federation? Drone control was taken out and US forces where retreating.
* During operation Homecoming was fort Santa Monica lost to the federation? Drone control was taken out and US forces where retreating.
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*** Perhaps Rorke recommends to the Federation leaders to allow the wall to stay up to make hunting the Ghosts easier, Ghosts are more likely to be operating outside of the wall after all. The wall might also be strong enough to deal with whatever the Federation might throw at it, judging by the fact the Federation is trying to sneak around it.
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** The game states that the heavily energy dependent Europe and Asia collapsed after the destruction of the Middle East. NATO probably doesn't even exist any more.
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** The game states that the heavily energy dependent Europe and Asia collapsed after the destruction of the Middle East. NATO probably doesn't even exist any more.more.
** What, they can't get gas from Russia? They're a big energy producer too, if not necessarily as friendly.
** What, they can't get gas from Russia? They're a big energy producer too, if not necessarily as friendly.
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* In a similar vein to the above: where's NATO?
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* In a similar vein to the above: where's NATO?NATO?
** The game states that the heavily energy dependent Europe and Asia collapsed after the destruction of the Middle East. NATO probably doesn't even exist any more.
** The game states that the heavily energy dependent Europe and Asia collapsed after the destruction of the Middle East. NATO probably doesn't even exist any more.
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** What exactly is Canada supposed to fight with? As of 2013 in the real world Canada has just short of 120,000 military personnel. This includes all branches, both active and reserve components. The US alone deployed more troops to Iraq than Canada has troops.
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** What exactly is Canada supposed to fight with? As of 2013 in the real world Canada has just short of 120,000 military personnel. This includes all branches, both active and reserve components. The US alone deployed more troops to Iraq than Canada has troops.troops.
* In a similar vein to the above: where's NATO?
* In a similar vein to the above: where's NATO?
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** What exactly is Canada supposed to fight with? As of 2013 in the real world Canada has just short of 120,000 military personnel. This includes all branches, both active and reserve components. The US alone deployed more troops to Iraq than Canada has troops.
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** What exactly is Canada supposed to fight with? As of 2013 in the real world Canada has just short of 120,000 military personnel. This includes all branches, both active and reserve components. The US alone deployed more troops to Iraq than Canada has troops.troops.
* In a similar vein to the above: where's NATO?
* In a similar vein to the above: where's NATO?
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** The Canadian special forces unit is called Joint Taskforce-2 (JTF-2), they only appear in ''MedalOfHonor''.
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** The Canadian special forces unit is called Joint Taskforce-2 (JTF-2), they only appear in ''MedalOfHonor''.''MedalOfHonor''.
** What exactly is Canada supposed to fight with? As of 2013 in the real world Canada has just short of 120,000 military personnel. This includes all branches, both active and reserve components. The US alone deployed more troops to Iraq than Canada has troops.
** What exactly is Canada supposed to fight with? As of 2013 in the real world Canada has just short of 120,000 military personnel. This includes all branches, both active and reserve components. The US alone deployed more troops to Iraq than Canada has troops.
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** What's the point of building a wall that could be leveled in minutes, if not seconds, with heavy artillery or airstrikes? More to the point, why hasn't the Federation done just that?
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** It's quite possible they put all their eggs in one basket and decommissioned their nuclear weapons when they built ODIN, figuring that was all the security they needed. Also, there probably was a huge backlash against nuclear weapons since it's implied that's what destroyed the Middle East.
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** Presumably US forces were able to hold off the Federation long enough for the walls to be built behind the lines, which they later retreated to.
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* Does Canada still exist in this? Because, as the Federation seems bent on dominating the Western Hemisphere, so the Canadians would have a vested interest in keeping the Federation out of the US. I mainly ask this because Canada possesses their own SAS, which generally depicted in Infinity Ward games as the most elite troops there are.
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* Does Canada still exist in this? Because, as the Federation seems bent on dominating the Western Hemisphere, so the Canadians would have a vested interest in keeping the Federation out of the US. I mainly ask this because Canada possesses their own SAS, which generally depicted in Infinity Ward games as the most elite troops there
** The Canadian special forces unit is called Joint Taskforce-2 (JTF-2), they only appear in ''MedalOfHonor''.
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*** Maybe the US got bought it from the same guys who gave the Russians their teleporting armoured divisions in ''Modern Warfare 3''?
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* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" takes place in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW?? ]]
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* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" "Clockwork" takes place [[spoiler: in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW?? ]]
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* Here's another Headscratcher; is it ever really explained ''why'' the Federation is attacking the United States to begin with? Seriously, what's their motivation for taking on a superpower and bombing it from orbit? With all the other Call of Duty antagonists, we at least got a general sense of what these people wanted, and they seemed to have something approaching a goal in mind. The Federation? "Fuck it, we're EVIL!" Between their lack of motivation, characters and just general absence of distinguishing traits, these guys could be anyone really.
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* Here's another Headscratcher; is it ever really explained ''why'' the Federation is attacking the United States to begin with? Seriously, what's their motivation for taking on a superpower and bombing it from orbit? With all the other Call of Duty antagonists, we at least got a general sense of what these people wanted, and they seemed to have something approaching a goal in mind. The Federation? "Fuck it, we're EVIL!" Between their lack of motivation, characters and just general absence of distinguishing traits, these guys could be anyone really.
** There main motivation appears to be territorial expansion and conquest, at least of the hemisphere. After that, who knows? [[ModernWarfare2 They might engage in a pointless and unwinnable war on another continent]] or they might be content. [[TakeOverTheWorld Standard badguy motivation, really.]] Which is a bit of a waste, since they could have been after revenge for American imperialism (think rhetoric of Hugo Chavez) or, since they controlled Mexico, a return of the area stolen in the Mexican-American War (California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas, all places that they invaded). They could have played with the fact that the US, a former superpower, is now on the receiving end of gunboat diplomacy. But since these motives weren't fleshed out at all... it all comes off kind of like a [[UnfortunateImplications racist argument against Hispanic immigration or something.]]
*Does Canada still exist in this? Because, as the Federation seems bent on dominating the Western Hemisphere, so the Canadians would have a vested interest in keeping the Federation out of the US. I mainly ask this because Canada possesses their own SAS, which generally depicted in Infinity Ward games as the most elite troops there are.
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** I believe that the devs read statement "Lake Titicaca is this highest navigable lake in the world" and extrapolated the erroneous corollary "it therefore has a navigable connection to the ocean.""
* Here's another Headscratcher; is it ever really explained ''why'' the Federation is attacking the United States to begin with? Seriously, what's their motivation for taking on a superpower and bombing it from orbit? With all the other Call of Duty antagonists, we at least got a general sense of what these people wanted, and they seemed to have something approaching a goal in mind. The Federation? "Fuck it, we're EVIL!" Between their lack of motivation, characters and just general absence of distinguishing traits, these guys could be anyone really.
* Here's another Headscratcher; is it ever really explained ''why'' the Federation is attacking the United States to begin with? Seriously, what's their motivation for taking on a superpower and bombing it from orbit? With all the other Call of Duty antagonists, we at least got a general sense of what these people wanted, and they seemed to have something approaching a goal in mind. The Federation? "Fuck it, we're EVIL!" Between their lack of motivation, characters and just general absence of distinguishing traits, these guys could be anyone really.
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* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" takes place in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW?? ]]
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* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" takes place in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW?? ]]]]
** I believe that the devs read statement "Lake Titicaca is this highest navigable lake in the world" and extrapolated the erroneous corollary "it therefore has a navigable connection to the ocean."
** I believe that the devs read statement "Lake Titicaca is this highest navigable lake in the world" and extrapolated the erroneous corollary "it therefore has a navigable connection to the ocean."
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** Presumably, the Americans decided to go with the advice of Oppenheimer: "Better to accept the slavery of the Nazis than to run a chance of drawing the final curtain on mankind." Although that assumes that the South Americans have a comparable nuclear stockpile to make a retaliatory strike.
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** Presumably, the Americans decided to go with the advice of Oppenheimer: "Better to accept the slavery of the Nazis than to run a chance of drawing the final curtain on mankind." Although that assumes that the South Americans have a comparable nuclear stockpile to make a retaliatory strike.
strike and that somehow the rest of the Nuclear Powers were suckered into fighting purely "local" (if we consider the Americas local) war.
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** Presumably, the Americans decided to go with the advice of Oppenheimer: "Better to accept the slavery of the Nazis than to run a chance of drawing the final curtain on mankind."
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** Presumably, the Americans decided to go with the advice of Oppenheimer: "Better to accept the slavery of the Nazis than to run a chance of drawing the final curtain on mankind."
" Although that assumes that the South Americans have a comparable nuclear stockpile to make a retaliatory strike.
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** Presumably, the Americans decided to go with the advice of Oppenheimer: "Better to accept the slavery of the Nazis than to run a chance of drawing the final curtain on mankind."
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* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" takes place in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW??/spoiler]HOW?? ]]
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* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" takes place in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW??/spoiler]]HOW??/spoiler]
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* So with the sky literally falling and millions dead. Why doesn't the US nuke the Federation? Seriously once civilian casualties start hitting 6 figures I think it justifies the nuclear option. Even assuming ODIN wiped out all the ICBM Silos before they could launch, that still leaves the entire submarine launched nuclear arsenal. It wouldn't even make sense to say the US launched ALL its nukes at the mid east. There comes a point where you can't make the entire region deader then it is. Did a Kaiju appear there or something?
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* So with the sky literally falling and millions dead. Why doesn't the US nuke the Federation? Seriously once civilian casualties start hitting 6 figures I think it justifies the nuclear option. Even assuming ODIN wiped out all the ICBM Silos before they could launch, that still leaves the entire submarine launched nuclear arsenal. It wouldn't even make sense to say the US launched ALL its nukes at the mid east. There comes a point where you can't make the entire region deader then it is. Did a Kaiju appear there or something?something?
* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" takes place in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW??/spoiler]]
* Remind me: the mission [[spoiler:"Clockwork" takes place in a Federation facility high in the Andes, according to the mission briefing. So our heroes go in, infiltrate the facility, shoot a lot of people, and download data before grabbing vehicles and escaping the facility whilst being chased by Federation FAVs and snowmobiles across what seem to be frozen streams and lakes. At the end of the mission they are exfiltrated by an ATTACK SUBMARINE. Breaking through the ice on a lake, IN THE ANDES MOUNTAINS. Said submarine then proceeds to sail them to an oil platform off Antarctica. One question - HOW??/spoiler]]
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