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** Welcome to the HumanityIsFlawed trope. Countless works have debated whether one outweighs the other, and that's arguably the entire point of the game's story as well. Pre-amnesia Mandus clearly went with the answer that the good wasn't worth the bad, while the story seems to side with the alternative given it expects you to keep trying to shut the machine off, as opposed to give the nearest manpig a hug and let them have their way with London and eventually the planet as a whole.
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*** The key point being that it wouldn't prevent the large-scale atrocities, and he was also driven pretty insane by the visions. If the man's conclusion after seeing those was "build giant death machine to MercyKill the world" he was probably not in a good state of mind.
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** The same way he saw the future, presumably.
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* How did Mandus go from "the future is really going to suck" to "I must kill thousands of people!"? Like, how did he have any idea if that would even work?
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* How did Mandus go from "the future is really going to suck" to "I must kill thousands of people!"? Like, how did he have any idea if that would even work?work?
* Why did the pigmen attack Mandus at first? He's technically their boss. And even if the Engineer is the one really controlling them, surely he wouldn't want them to get in the way while Mandus repairs the machine for him.
* Why did the pigmen attack Mandus at first? He's technically their boss. And even if the Engineer is the one really controlling them, surely he wouldn't want them to get in the way while Mandus repairs the machine for him.
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** Emigrating to Switzerland wouldn't prevent the large-scale atrocities, but he could have easily saved his children and prevented his own ''personal'' tragedy. Even if he didn't know which countries would stay neutral, why escalate straight to murder when a minor disability (cutting off a few toes, say) would keep them out of the war just as well?
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** Mandus got caught up in the idea of industrialized horror, and conveniently forgot that the past centuries contained just as much horror and bloodshed, just not in the same way. For example, the Mongols invasion of Asia and Europe basically depopulated half the known world. And of course, we cant forget that Mandus vision gave him a first-hand view of all the 20th century horror, while everything before would just stand out as cold facts in a textbook.
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** Mandus got caught up in the idea of industrialized horror, and conveniently forgot that the past centuries contained just as much horror and bloodshed, just not in the same way. For example, the Mongols invasion of Asia and Europe basically depopulated half the known world. And of course, we cant forget that Mandus vision gave him a first-hand view of all the 20th century horror, while everything before would just stand out as cold facts in a textbook.textbook.
* How did Mandus go from "the future is really going to suck" to "I must kill thousands of people!"? Like, how did he have any idea if that would even work?
* How did Mandus go from "the future is really going to suck" to "I must kill thousands of people!"? Like, how did he have any idea if that would even work?
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*** That was Compound X which apparently reacts negitively to light sources.[[spoiler: It's Vitae from the first game]].
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** Alternatively, it could be because of his drinking. Have you ''seen'' how many empty bottles there are around the mansion?
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*** He also saw visions of his sons dying in the trenches during this war.
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** I think it meant that the Manpigs stopped breaking havoc in the end. According to Mandus' ending narraton, the Manpigs began "to sing together" which could imply that at the moment the [[spoiler: Engineer, aka the Machine]] was destroyed they stopped taking orders to kill and capture. By definition, this means that no more humans were sacrificed for the machine and no more Manpigs harmed the people. Thus the peaceful athomsphere, and thus London "turn over in it's sleep" and enters a new century.
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** I think it meant that the Manpigs stopped breaking havoc in the end. According to Mandus' ending narraton, the Manpigs began "to sing together" which could imply that at the moment the [[spoiler: Engineer, aka the Machine]] was destroyed they stopped taking orders to kill and capture. By definition, this means that no more humans were sacrificed for the machine and no more Manpigs harmed the people. Thus the peaceful athomsphere, and thus London "turn "turns over in it's its sleep" and enters a new century.
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** From what it sounds like, the First World War basically brainbleached him enough that he either didn't want to see the rest, or deemed it too high a price to pay.
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** From what it sounds like, the First World War basically brainbleached him enough that he either didn't want to see the rest, or deemed it too high a price to pay.pay.
** Mandus got caught up in the idea of industrialized horror, and conveniently forgot that the past centuries contained just as much horror and bloodshed, just not in the same way. For example, the Mongols invasion of Asia and Europe basically depopulated half the known world. And of course, we cant forget that Mandus vision gave him a first-hand view of all the 20th century horror, while everything before would just stand out as cold facts in a textbook.
** Mandus got caught up in the idea of industrialized horror, and conveniently forgot that the past centuries contained just as much horror and bloodshed, just not in the same way. For example, the Mongols invasion of Asia and Europe basically depopulated half the known world. And of course, we cant forget that Mandus vision gave him a first-hand view of all the 20th century horror, while everything before would just stand out as cold facts in a textbook.
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*** I remember something to the tune of electrocuting one to death. (Shining a light on something that causes electricity....somehow....)
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* A crucial plot point of the game is just how god-awful the 20th century was going to be. But even taking all the wars and atrocities into consideration, it is still considered one of the more prosperous, enlightened, and peaceful eras in man's history ''(in comparison to the preceding centuries, if nothing else)''. Cures for dozens of fatal illnesses were discovered. Xenophobia and racism went from being commonplace to taboo in many parts of the world, particularly in first world nations. Advances in technology banished famine across vast regions of the planet. Life expectancy and standards of living skyrocketed. Ethics and morality were refined and advanced in many ways. Yes, there is no denying the soul-crushing horrors that took place, but why was Mundus blind to all the goodness and triumph that the 20th century would also usher in?
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* A crucial plot point of the game is just how god-awful the 20th century was going to be. But even taking all the wars and atrocities into consideration, it is still considered one of the more prosperous, enlightened, and peaceful eras in man's history ''(in comparison to the preceding centuries, if nothing else)''. Cures for dozens of fatal illnesses were discovered. Xenophobia and racism went from being commonplace to taboo in many parts of the world, particularly in first world nations. Advances in technology banished famine across vast regions of the planet. Life expectancy and standards of living skyrocketed. Ethics and morality were refined and advanced in many ways. Yes, there is no denying the soul-crushing horrors that took place, but why was Mundus blind to all the goodness and triumph that the 20th century would also usher in?in?
** From what it sounds like, the First World War basically brainbleached him enough that he either didn't want to see the rest, or deemed it too high a price to pay.
** From what it sounds like, the First World War basically brainbleached him enough that he either didn't want to see the rest, or deemed it too high a price to pay.
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** I think it meant that the Manpigs stopped breaking havoc in the end. According to Mandus' ending narraton, the Manpigs began "to sing together" which could imply that at the moment the [[spoiler: Engineer, aka the Machine]] was destroyed they stopped taking orders to kill and capture. By definition, this means that no more humans were sacrificed for the machine and no more Manpigs harmed the people. Thus the peaceful athomsphere, and thus London "turn over in it's sleep" and enters a new century.
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** I think it meant that the Manpigs stopped breaking havoc in the end. According to Mandus' ending narraton, the Manpigs began "to sing together" which could imply that at the moment the [[spoiler: Engineer, aka the Machine]] was destroyed they stopped taking orders to kill and capture. By definition, this means that no more humans were sacrificed for the machine and no more Manpigs harmed the people. Thus the peaceful athomsphere, and thus London "turn over in it's sleep" and enters a new century.century.
* A crucial plot point of the game is just how god-awful the 20th century was going to be. But even taking all the wars and atrocities into consideration, it is still considered one of the more prosperous, enlightened, and peaceful eras in man's history ''(in comparison to the preceding centuries, if nothing else)''. Cures for dozens of fatal illnesses were discovered. Xenophobia and racism went from being commonplace to taboo in many parts of the world, particularly in first world nations. Advances in technology banished famine across vast regions of the planet. Life expectancy and standards of living skyrocketed. Ethics and morality were refined and advanced in many ways. Yes, there is no denying the soul-crushing horrors that took place, but why was Mundus blind to all the goodness and triumph that the 20th century would also usher in?
* A crucial plot point of the game is just how god-awful the 20th century was going to be. But even taking all the wars and atrocities into consideration, it is still considered one of the more prosperous, enlightened, and peaceful eras in man's history ''(in comparison to the preceding centuries, if nothing else)''. Cures for dozens of fatal illnesses were discovered. Xenophobia and racism went from being commonplace to taboo in many parts of the world, particularly in first world nations. Advances in technology banished famine across vast regions of the planet. Life expectancy and standards of living skyrocketed. Ethics and morality were refined and advanced in many ways. Yes, there is no denying the soul-crushing horrors that took place, but why was Mundus blind to all the goodness and triumph that the 20th century would also usher in?
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** I think it meant that the Manpigs stopped breaking havoc. According to Mandus' ending narraton, the Manpigs began "to sing together" which could imply that at the moment the [[spoiler: Engineer, aka the Machine]] was destroyed they stopped taking orders to kill and capture. By definition, this means that no more humans were sacrificed for the machine and no more Manpigs harmed the people. Thus the peaceful athomsphere, and thus London "turn over in it's sleep" and enters a new century.
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** I think it meant that the Manpigs stopped breaking havoc.havoc in the end. According to Mandus' ending narraton, the Manpigs began "to sing together" which could imply that at the moment the [[spoiler: Engineer, aka the Machine]] was destroyed they stopped taking orders to kill and capture. By definition, this means that no more humans were sacrificed for the machine and no more Manpigs harmed the people. Thus the peaceful athomsphere, and thus London "turn over in it's sleep" and enters a new century.
