Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 24 (click to see context) from:
* Did Kovacs really need to RD Rei? If his stack survived the crash, hers could to.
to:
* Did Kovacs really need to RD Rei? If his stack survived the crash, hers could to.too.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** I believe it explains in the novel that AI's used their abilities to invest online and several of them became very wealthy.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[/folder]]
[[folder: Identification by body]]
* Why do people still use the physical biological body of someone as the primary means of identification? Not just in casual everyday situations, but even in financial and legal transactions they use things like DNA identification. The first season shows how extremely open to abuse this system is, and we are shown that stack scanners do exist which can provide a quick, non-invasive and apparently reliable means of identifying a person. Why aren't those used more widely?
[[folder: Identification by body]]
* Why do people still use the physical biological body of someone as the primary means of identification? Not just in casual everyday situations, but even in financial and legal transactions they use things like DNA identification. The first season shows how extremely open to abuse this system is, and we are shown that stack scanners do exist which can provide a quick, non-invasive and apparently reliable means of identifying a person. Why aren't those used more widely?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[/folder]]
[[folder: The Raven still up after fifty years]]
* Poe says Kovacs is his first customer in fifty years, which seems believable given the reputation of AI hotels. How did the place stay in operation for those fifty years? What money paid for the electricity and maintenance?
[[folder: The Raven still up after fifty years]]
* Poe says Kovacs is his first customer in fifty years, which seems believable given the reputation of AI hotels. How did the place stay in operation for those fifty years? What money paid for the electricity and maintenance?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 111 (click to see context) from:
** I don't feel that the ''show'' was especially unfair to him in the matter of RDing that poor girl. Head in the Clouds offers a package that allows wealthy enough people to RD sex workers, consequence-free. In the final episode we see a man who has done just that, sober and calm. By contrast, it took being drugged with a violence-inducing narcotic, and expertly manipulated by powerful people to put Bancroft in an angry enough frame of mind to murder someone. And when confronted with the truth of his actions, he surrenders to the police, horrified with himself.
to:
** I don't feel that the ''show'' was especially unfair to him in the matter of RDing [=RD=]ing that poor girl. Head in the Clouds offers a package that allows wealthy enough people to RD sex workers, consequence-free. In the final episode we see a man who has done just that, sober and calm. By contrast, it took being drugged with a violence-inducing narcotic, and expertly manipulated by powerful people to put Bancroft in an angry enough frame of mind to murder someone. And when confronted with the truth of his actions, he surrenders to the police, horrified with himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 111 (click to see context) from:
to:
** I don't feel that the ''show'' was especially unfair to him in the matter of RDing that poor girl. Head in the Clouds offers a package that allows wealthy enough people to RD sex workers, consequence-free. In the final episode we see a man who has done just that, sober and calm. By contrast, it took being drugged with a violence-inducing narcotic, and expertly manipulated by powerful people to put Bancroft in an angry enough frame of mind to murder someone. And when confronted with the truth of his actions, he surrenders to the police, horrified with himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 65,66 (click to see context) from:
*** To push the stack = hard drive, brain = processor analogy further - you can corrupt data on a hard drive, and you can damage a CPU. Putting a hard drive of corrupted data into an otherwise functional machine won't fix the data - you'll still have issues accessing certain files. Similarly, putting a hard drive of clean data into a PC with damaged hardware will still cause issues, as the computer will run more slowly or be incapable of performing some tasks with the data. So a healthy stack implanted into a brain-damaged sleeve would find it hard to use the body and mind - if memory centres were damaged, presumably they'd find it harder to access their own memories. And a stack with corrupted data (like Lizzie's), implanted into a healthy sleeve, would still experience the behavioural issues resulting from their stack's problems.
to:
*** To push the stack = hard drive, brain = processor analogy further - you can corrupt data on a hard drive, and you can damage a CPU. Putting a hard drive of corrupted data into an otherwise functional machine won't fix the data - you'll still have issues accessing certain files. Similarly, putting a hard drive of clean data into a PC with damaged hardware will still cause issues, as the computer will run more slowly or be incapable of performing some tasks with the data. So a healthy stack implanted into a brain-damaged sleeve would find it hard to use the body and mind - if memory centres were damaged, presumably they'd find it harder to access their own memories. And a stack with corrupted data (like Lizzie's), data, implanted into a healthy sleeve, would still experience the behavioural issues resulting from their stack's problems.
problems.\\
In this world though, it seems like it's rare for either issue to be a permanent fixture. The speed with which Ortega recovers from her surgeries after Leung attacks her, and the fact that a camera can be surgically implanted in someone's ''eye'' without so much as a scalpel, suggests a world in which physical brain damage can be repaired easily enough. Either that, or people just get resleeved. We also see that stacks with damaged data can be repaired in some cases via psychosurgery.
In this world though, it seems like it's rare for either issue to be a permanent fixture. The speed with which Ortega recovers from her surgeries after Leung attacks her, and the fact that a camera can be surgically implanted in someone's ''eye'' without so much as a scalpel, suggests a world in which physical brain damage can be repaired easily enough. Either that, or people just get resleeved. We also see that stacks with damaged data can be repaired in some cases via psychosurgery.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 65 (click to see context) from:
to:
*** To push the stack = hard drive, brain = processor analogy further - you can corrupt data on a hard drive, and you can damage a CPU. Putting a hard drive of corrupted data into an otherwise functional machine won't fix the data - you'll still have issues accessing certain files. Similarly, putting a hard drive of clean data into a PC with damaged hardware will still cause issues, as the computer will run more slowly or be incapable of performing some tasks with the data. So a healthy stack implanted into a brain-damaged sleeve would find it hard to use the body and mind - if memory centres were damaged, presumably they'd find it harder to access their own memories. And a stack with corrupted data (like Lizzie's), implanted into a healthy sleeve, would still experience the behavioural issues resulting from their stack's problems.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** No. Identical twins are not the same person twice. Having similar personalities does not make two people identical.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 107 (click to see context) from:
to:
** But the only reason he has to cover it up is if we (and him) are to believe he's culpable. But he isn't. He was entirely manipulated.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 116 (click to see context) from:
to:
[[/folder]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[folder: Are natural twins illegal?]]
* In Season 1, as well as Season 2, we are informed of how "double sleeving", an act in which two copies of the same personality exists in two different sleeves, are illegal. However, there is a problem with this idea. What about natural born identical twins? Technically, if both are born, they are both individuals and are not identical in personalities. However, if they are both raised together and have some of the same personality traits, wouldn't that technically make them copies of each other? Where does the line between being natural identical twins and duplicate copies of the same stack get drawn?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 115 (click to see context) from:
* In Season 2 it's made clear that Reileen trapped Quell in a regeneration chamber and it's also implied that she'd moved it to the hidden chamber. How did she do that without anyone noticing?
to:
* In Season 2 it's made clear that Reileen trapped Quell in a regeneration chamber and it's also implied that she'd moved it to the hidden chamber. How did she do that without anyone noticing?noticing?
[[/folder]]
[[/folder]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 112 (click to see context) from:
[[/folder]]
to:
[[folder: Quell's prison]]
* In Season 2 it's made clear that Reileen trapped Quell in a regeneration chamber and it's also implied that she'd moved it to the hidden chamber. How did she do that without anyone noticing?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** He was just being arrested. It's quite possible that he would have been acquitted on that charge. However, the bigger sin that both he and the show are blaming him for is covering it up. He let Rei blackmail him to stop that one law because it would cover up his crime, and then he killed himself before his backup so that he wouldn't remember. Basically, he failed his WhatYouAreInTheDark moment, tearing down his self-image of "a good man with some [[ByronicHero Byronic flaws]]." And if he's not a good man... then what of all the other things he's been doing?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 109 (click to see context) from:
* So all it takes is a hood over her head and Quell can just walk around in public without being recognized. Shouldn't she be one of the most recognizable faces on Harlan's World?
to:
* So all it takes is a hood over her head and Quell can just walk around in public without being recognized. recognized by passerby or ID'd by cameras? Shouldn't she be one of the most recognizable faces on Harlan's World?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[/folder]]
[[folder: Quell's Disguise]]
* So all it takes is a hood over her head and Quell can just walk around in public without being recognized. Shouldn't she be one of the most recognizable faces on Harlan's World?
[[folder: Quell's Disguise]]
* So all it takes is a hood over her head and Quell can just walk around in public without being recognized. Shouldn't she be one of the most recognizable faces on Harlan's World?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 82 (click to see context) from:
to:
** Stacks can evidently be installed in fully adult humans, as Quell invented them and she has a stack of her own. So giving babies stacks doesn't seem like it's strictly necessary compared to letting them grow up and make the choice themselves.
Added DiffLines:
[[/folder]]
[[folder: Bancroft's fate]]
* Am I the only one who thinks the show is being a bit unfair to Bancroft? He was drugged up to the nines against his will and placed in that specifically arranged situation. If someone pumped you full of acid against your will and handed you a loaded gun, would you culpable for shooting people? He might have physically done the deed, but he was basically framed.
[[folder: Bancroft's fate]]
* Am I the only one who thinks the show is being a bit unfair to Bancroft? He was drugged up to the nines against his will and placed in that specifically arranged situation. If someone pumped you full of acid against your will and handed you a loaded gun, would you culpable for shooting people? He might have physically done the deed, but he was basically framed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 98 (click to see context) from:
* Doesn't the setup leave people extremely vulnerable to this? What is stopping, say, an assassin, from abducting his mark's maid, inserting his own stack into their sleeve and thus approaching the mark under a perfect disguise? Or use one's sleeve to access their funds and such? How can people trust each other at all if they have no certainty who they're talking to at any given moment. I think Kovach even lampshades this at some point, but that's it. Sure, maybe it is an issue, adding to the general dystopian feel, but characters don't seem too concerned. Hell, Isaak does exactly that and impersonates his billioner father for an important business negotiation, and there're no countermeasures, especially in the world where cloning is available?
to:
* Doesn't the setup leave people extremely vulnerable to this? What is stopping, say, an assassin, from abducting his mark's maid, inserting his own stack into their sleeve and thus approaching the mark under a perfect disguise? Or use one's sleeve to access their funds and such? How can people trust each other at all if they have no certainty who they're talking to at any given moment. I think Kovach even lampshades this at some point, but that's it. Sure, maybe it is an issue, adding to the general dystopian feel, but characters don't seem too concerned. Hell, Isaak does exactly that and impersonates his billioner billionaire father for an important business negotiation, and there're no countermeasures, especially in the world where cloning is available? available?
** Security exists to quickly scan stacks and identify people by DHF; we see this happen with Oumou at one point, and it even shows all her past sleeves (presumably if she was walking around in an unregistered sleeve this would be the part where she got in trouble). Isaak probably just managed to avoid all those security measures; he's a lot smarter than anyone suspects, and [[WhoWouldBeStupidEnough presumably no one thought anyone would be stupid enough to try to impersonate a meth anyway]].
** Security exists to quickly scan stacks and identify people by DHF; we see this happen with Oumou at one point, and it even shows all her past sleeves (presumably if she was walking around in an unregistered sleeve this would be the part where she got in trouble). Isaak probably just managed to avoid all those security measures; he's a lot smarter than anyone suspects, and [[WhoWouldBeStupidEnough presumably no one thought anyone would be stupid enough to try to impersonate a meth anyway]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Kill and replace]]
* Doesn't the setup leave people extremely vulnerable to this? What is stopping, say, an assassin, from abducting his mark's maid, inserting his own stack into their sleeve and thus approaching the mark under a perfect disguise? Or use one's sleeve to access their funds and such? How can people trust each other at all if they have no certainty who they're talking to at any given moment. I think Kovach even lampshades this at some point, but that's it. Sure, maybe it is an issue, adding to the general dystopian feel, but characters don't seem too concerned. Hell, Isaak does exactly that and impersonates his billioner father for an important business negotiation, and there're no countermeasures, especially in the world where cloning is available?
[[folder:Kill and replace]]
* Doesn't the setup leave people extremely vulnerable to this? What is stopping, say, an assassin, from abducting his mark's maid, inserting his own stack into their sleeve and thus approaching the mark under a perfect disguise? Or use one's sleeve to access their funds and such? How can people trust each other at all if they have no certainty who they're talking to at any given moment. I think Kovach even lampshades this at some point, but that's it. Sure, maybe it is an issue, adding to the general dystopian feel, but characters don't seem too concerned. Hell, Isaak does exactly that and impersonates his billioner father for an important business negotiation, and there're no countermeasures, especially in the world where cloning is available?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Neo-catholocism and stacks comment
Changed line(s) 81 (click to see context) from:
to:
** The stack is at the base of the skull, likely attached to the spinal column and brain stem. It might not be possible to remove one without killing or at least paralyzing the person.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Cortical Stack's capabilities comment
Added DiffLines:
** We don't know exactly how they work (Elder technology and all), but most likely they store all the data one would need to turn a blank brain into you. This is most likely data like the connections between all the neurons in your brain, positions of neurons, etc., at the exact time the copy of your consciousness is saved. They could then take the data and rearrange a different body's brain to match that exactly. It shouldn't have any ability to recall things any better than any other brain could.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 11 (click to see context) from:
to:
** I believe that season two indicates that Poe's physical body is indeed a nanite swarm, and that he can also project a non-physical holographic form.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 55 (click to see context) from:
to:
** It seems to be an issue of storage space rather than the stacks. The stack itself stores your personality. But the technology to copy and store ALL of the data on a stack seems to be extremely rare and expensive, especially when you are talking about a remote backup.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 90 (click to see context) from:
The stack allows for the preservation of someone's consciousness and memories, the usage of virtual constructs, and needlecasting. But does it have other facilities? If it saves someone's memories for example, does that mean that someone would have perfect recall?
to:
* The stack allows for the preservation of someone's consciousness and memories, the usage of virtual constructs, and needlecasting. But does it have other facilities? If it saves someone's memories for example, does that mean that someone would have perfect recall?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Adding question
Added DiffLines:
[[/folder]]
[[folder:A cortical stack's capabilities]]
The stack allows for the preservation of someone's consciousness and memories, the usage of virtual constructs, and needlecasting. But does it have other facilities? If it saves someone's memories for example, does that mean that someone would have perfect recall?
[[folder:A cortical stack's capabilities]]
The stack allows for the preservation of someone's consciousness and memories, the usage of virtual constructs, and needlecasting. But does it have other facilities? If it saves someone's memories for example, does that mean that someone would have perfect recall?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 39 (click to see context) from:
to:
*** There's also the fact Ava may not want to make any 'big' changes to the body that might shock the original owner if/when he ever gets his body back. She might just have a stronger sense of respect for the fact this is a temporary sleeve. Shaving might feel too much like making herself permanently at home, or like taking something from the OG owner.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 68,69 (click to see context) from:
** It is implied that Laurens maintains the situation to feed his GodComplex. The sheer number of sleeves that would need to be provided wouldn't be cheap, and if he's willing to contain and provide for them on his dime instead, the government of this CrapsackWorld is happy with that.
to:
** It is implied that Laurens maintains the situation to feed his GodComplex.AGodAmI mentality. The sheer number of sleeves that would need to be provided wouldn't be cheap, and if he's willing to contain and provide for them on his dime instead, the government of this CrapsackWorld is happy with that.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 61 (click to see context) from:
to:
** The snake guy was explicitly an extreme situation. That being said, it does seem that stacks cover most of the important stuff. In essence, the stack is the hard drive--all the information and programs and so on. The brain is the graphics card and CPU and everything else needed to make that stuff ''work''. It would be interesting to know what happens to brain damaged minds in healthy sleeves and vice versa; Rei mentions that shock wands can cause "mental damage" if they hit a stack, but that could mean a lot of things. Perhaps we never see brain damaged sleeves because they are seen as unsuitable for use.
