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* Franchise/{{Batman}} has a hostile friendly rivalry with both ComicBook/RasAlGhul and ComicBook/TheJoker (usually, in both cases, with the friendly part strictly one-sided on the villain's part). Neither will stop trying to kill Batman, though their attempts are worthy of him and their history.
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** A non-Batman (the person) example: in one issue of ''ComicBook/{{Robin|Series}}'', the Joker claims that he took a liking to Jason Todd's rougher, more streetwise style...which was why the latter had to die.
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** A non-Batman (the person) example: in one issue of ''ComicBook/{{Robin|Series}}'', ''ComicBook/Robin1993'', the Joker claims that he took a liking to Jason Todd's rougher, more streetwise style...which was why the latter had to die.
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Gothtopia}}'', Batgirl's best friend and ally, Daybreak, is actually her archnemesis, Knightfall. They have no memories of their previous confrontations and think they've first met rescuing a couple.
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** Batman's [[DatingCatwoman relationship]] with ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} has always been inherently less hostile than with the other villains, primarily because she makes him [[FoeYay hot under the cowl]], and it's more justifiable here as her crimes are usually simple, for-profit theft (often stolen from {{jerkass}}es to boot) and very rarely involve directly hurting people.
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** One ComicBook/TwoFace story ended with ComicBook/TwoFace ''waiting'' for Batman to come take him away after committing a murder. Harvey Dent is one of Bruce's close friends, and one of the few relationships where the Bruce-centric version of their relationship seems more important than the Batman-centric version of the relationship to him.
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* ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' reveals that Will Magnus, creator of the ComicBook/MetalMen, is friends with the villainous T.O. Morrow, creator of ComicBook/RedTornado, since they're both the fathers of artificial intelligence and both have problems with mental disorders. Will visits Morrow in jail and brings him news of the outside world and Morrow appreciates it.
* Franchise/{{Batman}} has a hostile friendly rivalry with both ComicBook/RasAlGhul and ComicBook/TheJoker (usually, in both cases, with the friendly part strictly one-sided on the villain's part). Neither will stop trying to kill Batman, though their attempts are worthy of him and their history.
** Half the time, Ra's al-Ghul doesn't want Batman dead; he wants him to marry his daughter and become his heir.
** ComicBook/TheJoker is an interesting inversion because, from his point of view, this ''is'' their friendship. He commits all sorts of horrific and violent acts not because he's trying to cross the MoralEventHorizon but because he views this almost as a game he and Batman play, and it's sometimes portrayed as the only thing he lives for.
** ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' is the defining example: after the Joker commits probably his most evil act in a long career full of them, the graphic novel ends with [[spoiler: the Joker finishing a joke [[ActuallyPrettyFunny that makes Batman laugh]], and the two of them laughing together as the police sirens draw closer]].
** "A Black and White World", in the anthology series ''ComicBook/BatmanBlackAndWhite'', had ComicBook/TheJoker and Franchise/{{Batman}} as arch enemies...[[PunchclockHero but only because]] [[PunchclockVillain it's their job to be so]]; after the climactic comic book scene (which is treated as [[AnimatedActors a movie-style shoot]]), they're completely cool with [[GoKartingWithBowser stopping by the commissary to pick up lunch]]. In fact they even ''talk about their family lives!''
--->''In a Menacing Face-off style Pose, staring each other down:''\\
'''Batman:''' How are the kids?\\
'''Joker:''' Just fine, yours?
** A non-Batman (the person) example: in one issue of ''ComicBook/{{Robin|Series}}'', the Joker claims that he took a liking to Jason Todd's rougher, more streetwise style...which was why the latter had to die.
** One ComicBook/TwoFace story ended with Two-Face ''waiting'' for Batman to come take him away after committing a murder. Harvey Dent is one of Bruce's close friends, and one of the few relationships where the Bruce-centric version of their relationship seems more important than the Batman-centric version of the relationship to him.
*** In another story that tracks a day in the life of Gotham City, Batman stops outside the window of Two-Face's cell at Arkham Asylum to continue a one-move-a-night chess game they're playing.
** Batman's [[DatingCatwoman relationship]] with ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} has always been inherently less hostile than with the other villains, primarily because she makes him [[FoeYay hot under the cowl]], and it's more justifiable here as her crimes are usually simple, for-profit theft (often stolen from {{jerkass}}es to boot) and very rarely involve directly hurting people.
** There's also ComicBook/TheRiddler, who considers his rivalry with Batman a game and who, like Catwoman, is generally not harmful enough to warrant being treated as a serious villain. He eventually takes this to its logical conclusion, by going straight and becoming a detective competing with Batman rather than against him - he still gets the buzz of the rivalry, but Batman isn't allowed to punch him anymore.
** ComicBook/ThePenguin can also be considered this, since he's one of the few sane villains Batman comes across. When he's not committing some sort of crime, he runs a semi-innocent nightclub in Gotham. Batman will occasionally turn to him for information such as rumors flying about the criminal underworld (while in turn begrudgingly allowing the Penguin's operations to continue), and The Penguin will usually treat them as a business deal.
** When it comes to the Justice League, Batman is usually the person who interacts with ComicBook/AmandaWaller. Waller is often cast in villainous roles (she's an AntiHero at her best), but the two have a genuine respect for one another, especially because they're equally intelligent and realize that they're both [[IDidWhatIHadToDo doing what they sincerely believe is best for the world.]] It also helps that Waller is [[IAmAMonster aware of her own terrible flaws]], while Batman also knows that [[GoodIsNotNice he's not exactly a saint, either.]]
* Franchise/TheFlash's RoguesGallery can be like this, especially during the Wally West era (though, Jay Garrick and his rogues all became friends after their mutual retirements), with such gems as Wally going to a party the Rogues threw for Captain Cold when the latter was released on parole. He crashed at Cold's house once, and one of his best buddies, the Pied Piper, was still kind of playing the Rogue, if for a good cause. The first Icicle (Joar Mahkent) liked Jay Garrick and Barry Allen enough (and disliked his relatives enough) that he left half of his fortune to [[LegacyCharacter whoever was the Flash at the time]], and when Clifford [=DeVoe=], the Thinker, was about to die, Jay spent the day racing around the world looking for a cure.
* In ''ComicBook/{{Gothtopia}}'', Batgirl's best friend and ally, Daybreak, is actually her archnemesis, Knightfall. They have no memories of their previous confrontations and think they've first met rescuing a couple.
* In ''ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'', there is a friendship between sidekick Arsenal (Roy Harper) and criminal Killer Croc (Waylon Jones) after the former hit RockBottom and tried to commit [[DeathSeeker suicide]] while fighting Killer Croc. Luckily Killer Croc wisened up to the scheme and [[WhatTheHellHero called]] him out on it. In issue #4 Roy mentions Waylon sponsoring him in the Alcoholic Anonymous program.
* ''ComicBook/{{Starman}}'': The ComicBook/{{Shade}} and Jack Knight started out like this; Shade made a full HeelFaceTurn later.
* ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'': In ''ComicBook/SupergirlCosmicAdventuresInThe8thGrade'', Supergirl's SecretIdentity is Linda Lee. Linda's best friend is Lena Thorul... or better said Lena Luthor, ComicBook/LexLuthor's little sister. Lena switches between loving Linda and trying to kill her.
* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
** In ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'', Luthor spends half an interview complimenting Clark Kent -- saying he writes like a poet, for instance. Some of it is backhanded, of course, and he derides Superman in the same sentence. It largely amounts to, "Clark, you're a good guy. Kind, strong, and intelligent, and you might amount to something if Superman wasn't making you look bad."
** A lot of lower-level criminals (including ComicBook/{{Hitman|1993}}) have this sort of relationship with Superman; it's been repeatedly noted that since Superman is so damn friendly and nice to everyone as long as they don't try to hurt or kill other people, very few non-super criminals dislike him. In one annual collection of short stories, it's made into a gag where a member of a gang of bank robbers' [[TitleDrop opening question]] "Why Metropolis?" (of all cities to rob a bank in), is answered, after a long discussion about those assholes in [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Star City]], [[Franchise/TheFlash Keystone City]], and [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Gotham]], when Superman catches them and politely hands them over to the police while recommending the Metropolis reform program to get their lives back together: "Because when ''he'' catches you, he's not a jerk about it."
** Pre-ComicBook/{{Crisis|on Infinite Earths}} Superman had this relationship with Bizarro and ComicBook/AmbushBug (Bizarro was more an AntiVillain, and Ambush Bug later became even more annoying to Supes by ''going straight.)'' In the ComicBook/PostCrisis days, Mr. Mxyzptlk is his main "friendly enemy."
* In ''[[ComicBook/TeenTitans New Teen Titans]]'', ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} the Terminator and Changeling (now Beast Boy) developed a relationship like this in the '80s. Changeling was about to fight him to the death when [[spoiler: [[https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6393690.html Deathstroke appealed to his humanity by showing up without his mask, stating that it was the faceless mask that he wanted to kill, not the person behind it. They later talked things over in a diner]]]].
* [[spoiler: The Comedian and Moloch]] of ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''. He specifically comments that [[spoiler: Moloch]] is the closest thing he has to a friend. He's known him for decades. He then immediately comments on how sad and pathetic that is. It's not a one-sided friendship either. [[spoiler:Moloch is one of the only people who visits the Comedian's grave.]]
* ''Franchise/WonderWoman'':
** In general Wondy has a habit of befriending her less monstrous foes, even those who have not turned from their villainous ways. This leads to such sights as Wondy [[ComicBook/WonderWoman2006 teaming up with Giganta to put the Gargareans in their place]] after having a chat with the villain about relationships even though Giganta has no reason to care about the Gargareans, or [[ComicBook/WonderWomanRebirth picking up Mayfly when her prison sentence is complete]].
** Paula and Diana's relationship had Paula talking to Diana like a friend, and eventually led to Paula's HeelFaceTurn.
** ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'':
*** Circe has a plan that involves mind wiping herself and planting herself in Diana's civilian life that works a bit too well as she becomes close friends with Diana before her memories and powers return and she can never quite get over it afterwards, as those memories of their friendship are some of the best from her very long life. In ''ComicBook/WonderWoman2006'' her "help" when Diana tries to retire as Wonder Woman is a good reflection of this, though Circe's reaction about a year after regaining her memories was a violent backlash against the humanity she'd temporarily gained.
*** Diana saves ComicBook/{{Cheetah}}'s life and that, combined with her growing respect for the Amazon, causes Barbara to trust her and go out of her way to keep others from killing her to pay her back.
*** Angelo Bend (Angle Man) is rather fond of [[ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna]], and trusts her enough that when he's badly injured by Barbara he goes to her for help, then comes to help when Donna is fighting Doctor Psycho without being asked or invited. He is also careful to drop Donna in places she can easily escape from unharmed when moving her out of his way during heists with his reality folding abilities.
* ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' reveals that Will Magnus, creator of the ComicBook/MetalMen, is friends with the villainous T.O. Morrow, creator of ComicBook/RedTornado, since they're both the fathers of artificial intelligence and both have problems with mental disorders. Will visits Morrow in jail and brings him news of the outside world and Morrow appreciates it.
* Franchise/{{Batman}} has a hostile friendly rivalry with both ComicBook/RasAlGhul and ComicBook/TheJoker (usually, in both cases, with the friendly part strictly one-sided on the villain's part). Neither will stop trying to kill Batman, though their attempts are worthy of him and their history.
** Half the time, Ra's al-Ghul doesn't want Batman dead; he wants him to marry his daughter and become his heir.
** ComicBook/TheJoker is an interesting inversion because, from his point of view, this ''is'' their friendship. He commits all sorts of horrific and violent acts not because he's trying to cross the MoralEventHorizon but because he views this almost as a game he and Batman play, and it's sometimes portrayed as the only thing he lives for.
** ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke'' is the defining example: after the Joker commits probably his most evil act in a long career full of them, the graphic novel ends with [[spoiler: the Joker finishing a joke [[ActuallyPrettyFunny that makes Batman laugh]], and the two of them laughing together as the police sirens draw closer]].
** "A Black and White World", in the anthology series ''ComicBook/BatmanBlackAndWhite'', had ComicBook/TheJoker and Franchise/{{Batman}} as arch enemies...[[PunchclockHero but only because]] [[PunchclockVillain it's their job to be so]]; after the climactic comic book scene (which is treated as [[AnimatedActors a movie-style shoot]]), they're completely cool with [[GoKartingWithBowser stopping by the commissary to pick up lunch]]. In fact they even ''talk about their family lives!''
--->''In a Menacing Face-off style Pose, staring each other down:''\\
'''Batman:''' How are the kids?\\
'''Joker:''' Just fine, yours?
** A non-Batman (the person) example: in one issue of ''ComicBook/{{Robin|Series}}'', the Joker claims that he took a liking to Jason Todd's rougher, more streetwise style...which was why the latter had to die.
** One ComicBook/TwoFace story ended with Two-Face ''waiting'' for Batman to come take him away after committing a murder. Harvey Dent is one of Bruce's close friends, and one of the few relationships where the Bruce-centric version of their relationship seems more important than the Batman-centric version of the relationship to him.
*** In another story that tracks a day in the life of Gotham City, Batman stops outside the window of Two-Face's cell at Arkham Asylum to continue a one-move-a-night chess game they're playing.
** Batman's [[DatingCatwoman relationship]] with ComicBook/{{Catwoman}} has always been inherently less hostile than with the other villains, primarily because she makes him [[FoeYay hot under the cowl]], and it's more justifiable here as her crimes are usually simple, for-profit theft (often stolen from {{jerkass}}es to boot) and very rarely involve directly hurting people.
** There's also ComicBook/TheRiddler, who considers his rivalry with Batman a game and who, like Catwoman, is generally not harmful enough to warrant being treated as a serious villain. He eventually takes this to its logical conclusion, by going straight and becoming a detective competing with Batman rather than against him - he still gets the buzz of the rivalry, but Batman isn't allowed to punch him anymore.
** ComicBook/ThePenguin can also be considered this, since he's one of the few sane villains Batman comes across. When he's not committing some sort of crime, he runs a semi-innocent nightclub in Gotham. Batman will occasionally turn to him for information such as rumors flying about the criminal underworld (while in turn begrudgingly allowing the Penguin's operations to continue), and The Penguin will usually treat them as a business deal.
** When it comes to the Justice League, Batman is usually the person who interacts with ComicBook/AmandaWaller. Waller is often cast in villainous roles (she's an AntiHero at her best), but the two have a genuine respect for one another, especially because they're equally intelligent and realize that they're both [[IDidWhatIHadToDo doing what they sincerely believe is best for the world.]] It also helps that Waller is [[IAmAMonster aware of her own terrible flaws]], while Batman also knows that [[GoodIsNotNice he's not exactly a saint, either.]]
* Franchise/TheFlash's RoguesGallery can be like this, especially during the Wally West era (though, Jay Garrick and his rogues all became friends after their mutual retirements), with such gems as Wally going to a party the Rogues threw for Captain Cold when the latter was released on parole. He crashed at Cold's house once, and one of his best buddies, the Pied Piper, was still kind of playing the Rogue, if for a good cause. The first Icicle (Joar Mahkent) liked Jay Garrick and Barry Allen enough (and disliked his relatives enough) that he left half of his fortune to [[LegacyCharacter whoever was the Flash at the time]], and when Clifford [=DeVoe=], the Thinker, was about to die, Jay spent the day racing around the world looking for a cure.
* In ''ComicBook/{{Gothtopia}}'', Batgirl's best friend and ally, Daybreak, is actually her archnemesis, Knightfall. They have no memories of their previous confrontations and think they've first met rescuing a couple.
* In ''ComicBook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws'', there is a friendship between sidekick Arsenal (Roy Harper) and criminal Killer Croc (Waylon Jones) after the former hit RockBottom and tried to commit [[DeathSeeker suicide]] while fighting Killer Croc. Luckily Killer Croc wisened up to the scheme and [[WhatTheHellHero called]] him out on it. In issue #4 Roy mentions Waylon sponsoring him in the Alcoholic Anonymous program.
* ''ComicBook/{{Starman}}'': The ComicBook/{{Shade}} and Jack Knight started out like this; Shade made a full HeelFaceTurn later.
* ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'': In ''ComicBook/SupergirlCosmicAdventuresInThe8thGrade'', Supergirl's SecretIdentity is Linda Lee. Linda's best friend is Lena Thorul... or better said Lena Luthor, ComicBook/LexLuthor's little sister. Lena switches between loving Linda and trying to kill her.
* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'':
** In ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'', Luthor spends half an interview complimenting Clark Kent -- saying he writes like a poet, for instance. Some of it is backhanded, of course, and he derides Superman in the same sentence. It largely amounts to, "Clark, you're a good guy. Kind, strong, and intelligent, and you might amount to something if Superman wasn't making you look bad."
** A lot of lower-level criminals (including ComicBook/{{Hitman|1993}}) have this sort of relationship with Superman; it's been repeatedly noted that since Superman is so damn friendly and nice to everyone as long as they don't try to hurt or kill other people, very few non-super criminals dislike him. In one annual collection of short stories, it's made into a gag where a member of a gang of bank robbers' [[TitleDrop opening question]] "Why Metropolis?" (of all cities to rob a bank in), is answered, after a long discussion about those assholes in [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Star City]], [[Franchise/TheFlash Keystone City]], and [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Gotham]], when Superman catches them and politely hands them over to the police while recommending the Metropolis reform program to get their lives back together: "Because when ''he'' catches you, he's not a jerk about it."
** Pre-ComicBook/{{Crisis|on Infinite Earths}} Superman had this relationship with Bizarro and ComicBook/AmbushBug (Bizarro was more an AntiVillain, and Ambush Bug later became even more annoying to Supes by ''going straight.)'' In the ComicBook/PostCrisis days, Mr. Mxyzptlk is his main "friendly enemy."
* In ''[[ComicBook/TeenTitans New Teen Titans]]'', ComicBook/{{Deathstroke}} the Terminator and Changeling (now Beast Boy) developed a relationship like this in the '80s. Changeling was about to fight him to the death when [[spoiler: [[https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6393690.html Deathstroke appealed to his humanity by showing up without his mask, stating that it was the faceless mask that he wanted to kill, not the person behind it. They later talked things over in a diner]]]].
* [[spoiler: The Comedian and Moloch]] of ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''. He specifically comments that [[spoiler: Moloch]] is the closest thing he has to a friend. He's known him for decades. He then immediately comments on how sad and pathetic that is. It's not a one-sided friendship either. [[spoiler:Moloch is one of the only people who visits the Comedian's grave.]]
* ''Franchise/WonderWoman'':
** In general Wondy has a habit of befriending her less monstrous foes, even those who have not turned from their villainous ways. This leads to such sights as Wondy [[ComicBook/WonderWoman2006 teaming up with Giganta to put the Gargareans in their place]] after having a chat with the villain about relationships even though Giganta has no reason to care about the Gargareans, or [[ComicBook/WonderWomanRebirth picking up Mayfly when her prison sentence is complete]].
** Paula and Diana's relationship had Paula talking to Diana like a friend, and eventually led to Paula's HeelFaceTurn.
** ''ComicBook/WonderWoman1987'':
*** Circe has a plan that involves mind wiping herself and planting herself in Diana's civilian life that works a bit too well as she becomes close friends with Diana before her memories and powers return and she can never quite get over it afterwards, as those memories of their friendship are some of the best from her very long life. In ''ComicBook/WonderWoman2006'' her "help" when Diana tries to retire as Wonder Woman is a good reflection of this, though Circe's reaction about a year after regaining her memories was a violent backlash against the humanity she'd temporarily gained.
*** Diana saves ComicBook/{{Cheetah}}'s life and that, combined with her growing respect for the Amazon, causes Barbara to trust her and go out of her way to keep others from killing her to pay her back.
*** Angelo Bend (Angle Man) is rather fond of [[ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna]], and trusts her enough that when he's badly injured by Barbara he goes to her for help, then comes to help when Donna is fighting Doctor Psycho without being asked or invited. He is also careful to drop Donna in places she can easily escape from unharmed when moving her out of his way during heists with his reality folding abilities.
