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** Miguel's entire "Canon Events" theory is based on the destruction of his family's universe. Except we only have his word for it that it was his presense specifically that caused it. For all we know, it was a completely unrelated event (such as, for example, that universe's version of Alchemax activating their own supercollider), and Miguel merely assumes it was his fault out of survivor's guilt.

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** Miguel's entire "Canon Events" theory and the danger of disrupting them is based on the destruction of his family's universe. Except we only have his word for it that it was his presense specifically that caused it. For all we know, it was a completely unrelated event (such as, for example, that universe's version of Alchemax activating their own supercollider), and Miguel merely assumes it was his fault out of survivor's guilt.
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** Miguel's entire "Canon Events" theory is based on the destruction of his family's universe. Except we only have his word for it that it was his presense specifically that caused it. For all we know, it was a completely unrelated event (such as, for example, that universe's version of Alchemax activating their own supercollider), and Miguel merely assumes it was his fault out of survivor's guilt.
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*** The fact that LEGO Spidey met a LEGO version of Miguel probably also contributed to them joining the Spider Society.
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** Still, the fact Gwen just sent Scarlet Spider someplace else without a thought really shows how she feels about the society right now. The Spider Society had mistreated her, hunted her would-be boyfriend and she now learnt that the Canon Event which they chewed people out for doesn't exist, so Gwen was in a really, '''REALLY''' foul mood to break a lot of bones, especially Miguel's who was already on her "hate" list for all the mentioned actions against her.

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** Still, the fact Gwen just sent Scarlet Spider someplace else without a thought really shows how she feels about the society right now. The Spider Society had mistreated her, hunted her would-be boyfriend (and arguably brainwashed her into joining that hunt) and she now learnt that the Canon Event which they chewed people out for doesn't exist, so Gwen was in a really, '''REALLY''' foul mood to break a lot of bones, especially Miguel's who was already on her "hate" list for all the mentioned actions against her.
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* Miguel O'Hara has a singleminded belief that some people have to die for the universe to continue surviving, an insistence on choosing what he believes to be the LesserOfTwoEvils on behalf of others, and displays increasing instability when said others who are[=/=]would be personally affected by said deaths predictably have something to say about it. These traits make him a bit reminiscent of another antagonist recent viewers of Marvel-related media would be [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar very]] [[Film/AvengersEndgame familiar with.]]

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* Miguel O'Hara has a singleminded belief that some people have to die for the universe to continue surviving, an insistence on choosing what he believes to be the LesserOfTwoEvils on behalf of others, and displays increasing instability when said others who are[=/=]would be personally affected by said deaths predictably have something to say about it. These traits make him a bit reminiscent of another antagonist recent viewers of Marvel-related media would be [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar very]] [[Film/AvengersEndgame [[Characters/MCUThanos very familiar with.]]
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** Still, the fact Gwen just sent Scarlet Spider someplace else without a thought really shows how she feels about the society right now. The Spider Society had mistreated her, hunted her would-be boyfriend and she now learnt that the Canon Event which they chewed people out for doesn't exist, so Gwen was really in a really, '''REALLY''' foul mood to break a lot of bones, especially Miguel's who was already on her "hate" list for all the mentioned actions against her.

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** Still, the fact Gwen just sent Scarlet Spider someplace else without a thought really shows how she feels about the society right now. The Spider Society had mistreated her, hunted her would-be boyfriend and she now learnt that the Canon Event which they chewed people out for doesn't exist, so Gwen was really in a really, '''REALLY''' foul mood to break a lot of bones, especially Miguel's who was already on her "hate" list for all the mentioned actions against her.
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** Still, the fact Gwen just sent Scarlet Spider someplace else without a thought really shows how she feels about the society right now. The Spider Society had mistreated her, hunted her would-be boyfriend and she now learnt that the Canon Event which they chewed people out for doesn't exist, so Gwen was really in a really, '''REALLY''' foul mood to break a lot of bones, especially Miguel's who was already on her "hate" list for all the mentioned actions against her.
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** The original release poster is no slouch in this department as well. Miles is shown upside-down while the others are standing upright, signifying that he is doing things his way.

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** The original release poster is no slouch in this department as well. Miles is shown upside-down while the others are standing upright, signifying that he is doing things his way. And in fact, if you look closely, you'll see that Miguel, Jess, and Ben (Spiders that oppose Miles by the end of the movie) are on Miles' left. His left shoulder is the one torn in his fight with Miguel. The Spider Band, conversely, is on Miles' right.
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* Miguel's annoyance/anger at Holland Spider-Man and Strange goes deeper than just creating an anomaly. Remember, the spell that was cast was threatening to draw in everyone that 'knew Peter was Spider-Man'. So there's that side as well. But even deeper, Holland also reverses it with the reverse language. Given that Strange had to affect the multi-verse in order to prevent people from crossing over, it's possible that his spell caused various Peter-oriented Spider-Men across the multi-verse to suddenly find themselves in a situation where no one they trust (or not) knows that Peter is Spider-man and have to fix that. And this applied even for Peter-adjacent people like Miguel who doesn't call Holland "Peter" but "that nerd", implying that he doesn't know Peter is Spider-Man of that universe. At the minimum for someone like Miguel, he can easily re-discover the information but nevertheless, fixing the lost memories would have been a huge mess for countless Spiders.

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* Miguel's annoyance/anger at Holland Spider-Man and Strange goes deeper than just creating an anomaly. Remember, the spell that was cast was threatening to draw in everyone that 'knew Peter was Spider-Man'. So there's that side as well. But even deeper, Holland also reverses it with the reverse language. Given that Strange had to affect the multi-verse in order to prevent people from crossing over, it's possible that his spell caused various Peter-oriented Spider-Men across the multi-verse to suddenly find themselves in a situation where no one they trust (or not) knows that Peter is Spider-man Spider-Man and have to fix that. And this applied even for Peter-adjacent people like Miguel who doesn't call Holland "Peter" but "that nerd", implying that he doesn't know Peter is Spider-Man of that universe. At the minimum for someone like Miguel, he can easily re-discover the information but nevertheless, fixing the lost memories would have been a huge mess for countless Spiders.



* If the [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan Spectacular Spider-man]] in this film is the same one from the 2009 cartoon, that means his Captain Stacy died sometime after Season 2 of the TV show, and it broke him so badly that he was susceptible to Miguel's reasoning that it was a canon event, absolving him of some of his guilt.
* In the comics, Pavitr's girlfriend is a Indian version of Mary Jane, whereas in this movie he's dating his universe's equivalent of Gwen Stacy instead. Considering Pavitr just started to have his canon events happen to him, it's likely that, following the death of Inspector Singh that was ''supposed'' to occur, him losing Gayatri just like [[ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied most Spider Men lose their Gwens]] was next.

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* If the [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan Spectacular Spider-man]] Spider-Man]] in this film is the same one from the 2009 cartoon, that means his Captain Stacy died sometime after Season 2 of the TV show, and it broke him so badly that he was susceptible to Miguel's reasoning that it was a canon event, absolving him of some of his guilt.
* In the comics, Pavitr's girlfriend is a an Indian version of Mary Jane, whereas in this movie he's dating his universe's equivalent of Gwen Stacy instead. Considering Pavitr just started to have his canon events happen to him, it's likely that, following the death of Inspector Singh that was ''supposed'' to occur, him losing Gayatri just like [[ComicBook/TheNightGwenStacyDied most Spider Men lose their Gwens]] was next.
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* Miguel calling Lego Spider-Man one the Society's best might seem like a funny scene, but it holds weight. The movies shows that, no matter what universe you are from, you will retain your original look and size. Since it is assume that Lego Spider-Man is the same size as an actual Lego Model, he's rather small, likely the smallest Spider-Man recruited, which makes him excellent for stealth, not to mention he's very competent and dutiful. In a group full of potential smart asses and trouble makers, Miguel likely sees Lego Spider-Man as a nice change of pace.

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* Miguel calling Lego Spider-Man one the Society's best might seem like a funny scene, but it holds weight. The movies shows that, no matter what universe you are from, you will retain your original look and size. Since it is assume that Lego Spider-Man is the same size as an actual Lego Model, he's rather small, likely the smallest Spider-Man recruited, which makes him excellent for stealth, not to mention he's very competent and dutiful. In a group full of potential smart asses and trouble makers, troublemakers, Miguel likely sees Lego Spider-Man as a nice change of pace.
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* Earth 42 Miles in his Prowler suit is awfully similar to that of the Tinkerer from Spider-man Miles Morales, which shows how more intertwined the universes are, after all the more things change(42!Miles being Prowler instead of a Spider) the more they also stay the same(Miles in general is influenced by his environment and the people he knows and loves, for better or worse). Or to put a little more simply, there are constants and variables to the story, which both supports and spits in the face of Miguel's "Canon Events".

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* Earth 42 Miles in his Prowler suit is awfully similar to that of the Tinkerer from Spider-man Miles Morales, VideoGame/SpiderManMilesMorales, which shows how more intertwined the universes are, after all the more things change(42!Miles change (42!Miles being Prowler instead of a Spider) the more they also stay the same(Miles same (Miles in general is influenced by his environment and the people he knows and loves, for better or worse). Or to put a little more simply, there are constants and variables to the story, which both supports and spits in the face of Miguel's "Canon Events".
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**Also when Jess said Miguel wants them back at HQ Hobie said "I don't follow orders, neither does he" he was dissapointed when Miles agreed to go and then they both went back to HQ anyway. At first it seems like Hobie just being inconstint as usual but he was just trying to get Miles not to go.
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* The ConservationOfNinjutsu during the chase through Nueva York makes a lot more sense when you remember that, [[Film/SpiderManNoWayHome as we've seen before]], Spider-people are generally much more used to operating solo than they are to working as a team, so they could more than likely be getting in each other's way a lot. Indeed, the Western-themed Spider-man accidentally shoots one of miles' pursuers and incapacitates them with a missed shot aimed at him, showing how the Spider-Society isn't effectively operating as a large-scale team, contrasting with how Miles, Gwen, Pravitr and Hobie operated efficiently as a smaller unit in Mumbatten.

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* The ConservationOfNinjutsu during the chase through Nueva York makes a lot more sense when you remember that, [[Film/SpiderManNoWayHome as we've seen before]], Spider-people are generally much more used to operating solo than they are to working as a team, so they could more than likely be getting in each other's way a lot. Indeed, the Western-themed Spider-man accidentally shoots one of miles' pursuers and incapacitates them with a missed shot aimed at him, showing how the Spider-Society isn't effectively operating as a large-scale team, contrasting with how Miles, Gwen, Pravitr and Hobie operated efficiently as a smaller unit in Mumbatten.Mumbattan.
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** Slight correction here - due to the practice of slavery being outlawed within the British Isles themselves in the 1772 Mansfield Judgement (not the wider Empire, just within the isles themselves, and the slave trade remained legal until 1807, owning slaves in the colonies until 1833) - there's a bit more going on with how black people came to the UK as opposed to the US. While yes, the descendants of slaves in Britain from before the Mansfield Judgement make up a fair proportion of our black population, there was an African population in Britain dating back to the Roman Empire, with evidence for their continued presence in Britain up through the medieval era, including a black Briton depicted in the Domesday Book, an abbot at St Augustine's Abbey in Canterbury in the seventh century and a trumpeter at the court of Henry VIII. Even assuming Hobie's family came over after the slave trade was established, there are also descendants of former African-American slave soldiers who fought on the Loyalist side of the American Revolution in exchange for their freedom, enough immigration from Africa in the 1830s for laws to be specifically passed against it in 1834, leading to a slight decline in Britain's black population, and the 'Windrush Generation' who arrived in the UK from the Caribbean post-WW2 to help with the post-war rebuilding, only to face massive discrimination upon their arrival (indeed, a massive problem in teaching the history of black people in Britain is the sheer number of Brits who will tell you with a straight face that there were no black people in Britain before Windrush, and the idea that black people have only come to Britain in the last few centuries is often used to silence any attempts to discuss black history in Britain). To be clear, this is absolutely still tied to colonialism, and the previous post's point still holds, even if they got some of the details of why slightly wrong, but the exact history is still useful context to have.
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** When Hobie quits the Spider Society, he's shown discarding his watch after stepping through the portal. Since the watches are how Miguel keeps track of everyone, this gives him the ability to stay one step ahead of Miguel. On top of that, seeing as how he gave a bootleg watch to Gwen, Hobie's probably been discreetly building watches for years. He might even have one reserved for Miles in Beyond The Spider-Verse.
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* Miles may have taken inspiration from uncle Aaron for his new suit's design: Aaron's Prowler suit had the same "fly ambiance down the sides", only purple on black instead of red on black. This recontextualizes the ribbing he gets for "bleeding from the armpits" from Pavitr and Peter B. into something accidentally quite hurtful, though there's no way they would know.

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* Miles may have taken inspiration from uncle Aaron for his new suit's design: Aaron's Prowler suit had the same "fly ambiance down the sides", only purple on black instead of red on black. This recontextualizes the ribbing he gets for "bleeding from the armpits" from Pavitr Hobie and Peter B. into something accidentally quite hurtful, though there's no way they would know.
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* How does Hobie’s massive hair fit inside the mask? Because his hair "breaks the rules" of physics.

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* How does Hobie’s massive hair fit inside the mask? Because his hair "breaks ''breaks the rules" rules'' of physics.
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* How does Hobie’s massive hair fit inside the mask? Because his hair "breaks the rules" of physics.
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* Miles may have taken inspiration from uncle Aaron for his new suit's design: Aaron's Prowler suit had the same "fly ambiance down the sides", only purple on black instead of red on black. This recontextualizes the ribbing he gets for it from Pavitr and Peter B. into something accidentally quite hurtful, though there's no way they would know.

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* Miles may have taken inspiration from uncle Aaron for his new suit's design: Aaron's Prowler suit had the same "fly ambiance down the sides", only purple on black instead of red on black. This recontextualizes the ribbing he gets for it from Pavitr and Peter B. into something accidentally quite hurtful, though there's no way they would know.




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* Miles may have taken inspiration from uncle Aaron for his new suit's design: Aaron's Prowler suit had the same "fly ambiance down the sides", only purple on black instead of red on black. This recontextualizes the ribbing he gets for "bleeding from the armpits" from Pavitr and Peter B. into something accidentally quite hurtful, though there's no way they would know.
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* Of ''course'' Miles already has an escape plan. Remember who his mentor was?

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* Of ''course'' Miles already has an escape plan.plan from the Prowler. Remember who his mentor was?
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* Miles may have taken inspiration from uncle Aaron for his new suit's design: Aaron's Prowler suit had the same "fly ambiance down the sides", only purple on black instead of red on black. This recontextualizes the ribbing he gets for it from Pavitr and Peter B. into something accidentally quite hurtful, though there's no way they would know.
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* Miles deciding "I'll do my own thing" in front of Miguel is an extension of Peter B. Parker's advice to him in the first movie: "Stop listening to me... don't do it like me, do it like you!" He was a pretty great mentor after all.

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* Miles deciding "I'll do my own thing" in front of Miguel is an extension of Peter B. Parker's advice to him in the first movie: "Stop listening to me... don't do it like me, do it like you!" He was a pretty great mentor after all.The only reason Miles has even gotten this far is by doing his own thing and fighting for those he loves, and he's not gonna stop now.
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* If the [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan Spectacular Spider-man]] in the film is the same one from the 2009 cartoon, that means his Captain Stacy died sometime after Season 2 of the TV show.

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* If the [[WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan Spectacular Spider-man]] in the this film is the same one from the 2009 cartoon, that means his Captain Stacy died sometime after Season 2 of the TV show. show, and it broke him so badly that he was susceptible to Miguel's reasoning that it was a canon event, absolving him of some of his guilt.
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* On a metatextual level, it makes perfect sense to have the leader of the Spider Society be a version of [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'hara]] rather than a version of Peter Parker: a Peter Parker would never be willing to do the things a Miguel would.

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* On a metatextual level, it makes perfect sense to have the leader of the Spider Society be a version of [[ComicBook/SpiderMan2099 Miguel O'hara]] O'Hara]] rather than a version of Peter Parker: a Peter Parker would never be willing to do the things a Miguel would.



** By contrast, Miguel O'hara stems from the year [[ComicBook/Marvel2099 2099]], a dystopian society ruled over by [[OneNationUnderCopyright MegaCorp's like Alchemax]] where the name of the game is ''survival''. The age of heroes had long ended, and the ones who took up the mantles in this time were firmly {{anti hero}}es thanks to the original series coming out in UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, and Miguel O'hara was no exception. Miguel ''idolized'' the legends of Spider-Man, to the point the reason behind his even getting powers was an attempt at trying to ''recreate'' Spider-Man's powers. However, he was much more sardonic than the original Spider-Man ever was, and his version of the Spider-Man ethos tends to be less about "responsibility" and more about "guilt", as numerous times he questions ''why'' he's still acting as Spider-Man despite the pain it causes him, but keeps going out of a sense of guilt over his past behavior. Miguel was someone who did all he could to avert disaster, not only at his own expense, but also the expense of others, such as trying to stop Alchemax from ever coming to power in the past, even though that would likely erase everything related to 2099, including his family. Even when some versions were proven to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir, they did not use it for the power of Thor, rather they used it as a symbol of their ''authority'', the burden they had to carry with them, in the name of creating a brighter future.

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** By contrast, Miguel O'hara stems from the year [[ComicBook/Marvel2099 2099]], a dystopian society ruled over by [[OneNationUnderCopyright MegaCorp's MegaCorps like Alchemax]] where the name of the game is ''survival''. The age of heroes had long ended, and the ones who took up the mantles in this time were firmly {{anti hero}}es thanks to the original series coming out in UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks, and Miguel O'hara O'Hara was no exception. Miguel ''idolized'' the legends of Spider-Man, to the point the reason behind his even getting powers was an attempt at trying to ''recreate'' Spider-Man's powers. However, he was much more sardonic than the original Spider-Man ever was, and his version of the Spider-Man ethos tends to be less about "responsibility" and more about "guilt", as numerous times he questions ''why'' he's still acting as Spider-Man despite the pain it causes him, but keeps going out of a sense of guilt over his past behavior. Miguel was someone who did all he could to avert disaster, not only at his own expense, but also the expense of others, such as trying to stop Alchemax from ever coming to power in the past, even though that would likely erase everything related to 2099, including his family. Even when some versions were proven to be worthy of lifting Mjolnir, they did not use it for the power of Thor, rather they used it as a symbol of their ''authority'', the burden they had to carry with them, in the name of creating a brighter future.

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* Pavitr's style to use his legs to coil his web and using diabolo are actually working in tandem, not just combining two separate things. Notice how Pavitr has a habit to make a pulley out of his web when managing heavy loads (like several falling people). Pulleys make lifting a load lighter, but they require multiple amounts of rope/web to pull. This is why Pavitr uses his legs to coil the web; he needs to manage longer webs quicker than a standard Spider-Person. However, the diabolo alkso comes in when managing a pulley, as it pulls the web from the other hand and hence makes it quicker to pull the web. Pulleys also come with U-loops, which are intagral part of using diabolos. Pavitr also uses leg acrobatics elsewhere too, but that is probably more of a habit spurred by management of long webs.
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** When the now-exiled Gwen returns to Miles Universe, her actions and body language in regards to the Spider Society has a more hostile approach. Gwen is a daughter of a cop and no matter how misguided the society are, but to Gwen, they are more or less potential murderers for trying to let Officer Jefferson die. This, combined with her guilt for betraying Miles, being betrayed by the Spider Society and learning that "Canon Events" are wrong, makes her more willing to show no mercy.

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** When the now-exiled Gwen returns to Miles Universe, her actions and body language in regards to the Spider Society has a more hostile approach. Gwen is a daughter of a cop and no matter how misguided the society are, but to Gwen, they are more or less potential murderers for trying to let Officer Jefferson die. This, combined with her guilt for betraying Miles, being betrayed by the Spider Society and learning that "Canon Events" are wrong, makes her more willing to show no mercy.
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** However, the Spider-society was never "tasked" with protecting the multi-verse. Miguel is the one who started dabbling with dimensions in the first place, and once he started contacting other Spider-people and discovered constants like canon events, it all came together. Miguel built this charge around himself because of his past trauma, and the best thing for him to do now would be to let it go and heal instead.

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** However, the Spider-society was never "tasked" with protecting the multi-verse. Miguel is the one who started dabbling with dimensions for his daughter in the first place, and once he started contacting other Spider-people and discovered constants like discovering canon events, it all came together. Miguel built this charge around himself because of his past trauma, leaving us with the major issue that plagues Miles and Gwen too: being tainted by knowledge of the best thing for him to do now would be to let it go and heal instead.multi-verse when true healing resides in one's own.
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** However, the Spider-society was never "tasked" with protecting the multi-verse. Miguel is the one who started dabbling with dimensions in the first place, and once he started contacting other Spider-people and discovered constants like canon events, it all came together. Miguel built this charge around himself because of his past trauma, and the best thing for him to do now would be to let it go and heal instead.
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** Going further on that, due to the sheer amount of PowerIncontinence Miles had in the last movie, you have to remember that the average agreed upon statistic for Spider-Man's normal output in strength is ''ten tons'' of force that they comfortably carry/exert. So, to put into perspective, had the bagel not been well... [[ShapedLikeItself a bagel]], Miles could have actually ''killed'' Spot with how much force he carelessly exerted throwing the bagel at him because the comparable force would have been the equivalent of a ''cinder block'' hitting his head at around 20mph otherwise. So yeah, of course the Spot would call attention to it, ''because it really goddamn hurt''.
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** When the now-exiled Gwen returns to Miles Universe, her actions and body language in regards to the Spider Society has a more hostile approach. Gwen is a daughter of a cop and no matter how misguided the society are, but to Gwen, they are more or less potential murderers for trying to let Officer Jefferson die. This, combined with her guilt for betraying Miles, being betrayed by the Spider Society and learning that "Canon Events" are wrong, makes her more willing to show no mercy.

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