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There is a great deal in this series that could keep one tossing and turning at night if thought about too much.

* Unless it's a ''huge'', and extremely improbable coincidence, how the heck did the makers of the [=MMO=] Cross Reverie have enough knowledge about the world to make a workable replica with identical mechanics, people and places? And why would a summoning ritual target ''a player?''
* As a player character for Cross Reverie, Diablo has fought other Demonic Being Kings, most especially, Demon King of The Brain, Enkvalous. Considering what we know of Krebskrum, and that these other Kings are supposed to be ''fragments'' of Krebskrum, one has to wonder how many bloodlines were wiped out to unleash them.
* How did Rem know that killing the summoner/slave holder causes the slave choker to disappear? Either she saw it happen, or it's so frequent that it's common knowledge.
* Galford. He's at level 120. The only other person that over-leveled is Diablo who is 150. Diablo was brought into the world by being summoned, and he avoided the slave collar because the ritual rebounded. Galford has no choker, so either he came into the world, or his absurdly high level, some other way, ''or he killed the one who summoned him.'' Rem specifically mentions that the slave chokers disappear if the slave holder dies, just after she found herself with one.
** This is unlikely, Galford being level 120 doesn't mean he was summoned only that he was skilled enough to get that strong.
* The summoning ritual is ''random'' in both the game and the world. Rem and Shera could ''easily'' have found themselves bound to someone far less benevolent. This makes them falling head over heels in love with Diablo so quickly a lot less heartwarming in hindsight, though it's still justified as he ''is'' treating them as spouses, with genuine love, tenderness and respect, treasuring their thoughts, feelings, and well being far more than his own.
* The Greenwood Kingdom. As squicktastic as BrotherSisterIncest usually is, Selcio specifically tells Shera that bearing the next heir, her brother's child, is her sacred duty, and Galford implies that a force of 100 elves is a major part of the Elven army (expecting the complete destruction of the 200 injured elves to immediately bring about the elven kingdom's surrender), with every single elf being raised for combat, specifically archery, ambush, and guerrilla warfare. In addition, Shera notes that conceiving children is not easy for elven women. This brings about some rather unsettling conclusions. At the top of the list: 1.) The population of elves has fallen to the point where elves have to resort to incest to propagate their race. 2.) Elves are already so heavily inbred that miscarriage, among other defects, plague their offspring to the point that the very viability of their race is in serious question.
* The church of the Divine beings. They have a total of 13 Holy Knights, each and every one of them inflicted with MoralSociopathy, who are so radically militant that they make the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades at their darkest ''combined'' look like child's play by comparison. In order to fulfill their mandate to root out Demonic Being Worshipers, they have carte blanche to declare anyone and everyone "guilty" on a whim, and then torture them into confessing, regardless of any plausibility of actual guilt, and not only see nothing wrong with bathing entire towns in the blood of their citizens, but don't even bother to try to hide it. The only reason why they get away with it is that they're so strong, the human kingdom, with thousands of knights, just ''barely'' balance the power of a single "Holy Knight" thus making the king reluctant to challenge any of them. One has to wonder what kind of training these "Holy Knights" go through to both make them that powerful and that crazy. It also begs the question of why the church wants its super-soldiers to be that unstable.
* Diablo notes very early that while using MP in the [=MMO=] is no issue, he suffered serious side-effects from using magic in the new world. Namely a brief black-out when he found himself in the same bed as Rem and Shera, after being attacked by Galak, and then a massive 10 day bout of apathy bordering on clinical depression after the fight with the 100 Demonic being army and Gregor. And again a four day bout of apathy after the fight with the Force Hydra, the elven kingdom, and Galford. Considering that magic is used frequently, especially by summoners, and that numerous high-level (relatively speaking) magic using characters are somewhat unhinged, if not outright ''homicidal'', one has to wonder if the sanity of the general public isn't always hanging by a thread, even without the Demonic Being threat.
* Slavery exists, and numerous characters note when Shera and Rem first arrive in town with the chokers, caused by a summoning ritual accident, that people can be enslaved ''by force'' by someone stronger than they are. While Medios does somewhat run her establishment ethically, there are illegal slavers in existence, as bandits have accosted Rem and Shera before, calling them "goods." Further, When Medios sees Alicia escorting Diablo, she immediately protests that her ''ethical'' slave shop has done nothing illegal. This means that ''illegal'' and ''unethical'' slave shops exist, and Medios is aware that slave abuse exists, even if it is a felony to do so.

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! FridgeHorror:
There is a great deal in this series that could keep one tossing and turning at night if thought about too much.

* Unless it's a ''huge'', and extremely improbable coincidence, how the heck did the makers of the [=MMO=] Cross Reverie have enough knowledge about the world to make a workable replica with identical mechanics, people and places? And why would a summoning ritual target ''a player?''
* As a player character for Cross Reverie, Diablo has fought other Demonic Being Kings, most especially, Demon King of The Brain, Enkvalous. Considering what we know of Krebskrum, and that these other Kings are supposed to be ''fragments'' of Krebskrum, one has to wonder how many bloodlines were wiped out to unleash them.
* How did Rem know that killing the summoner/slave holder causes the slave choker to disappear? Either she saw it happen, or it's so frequent that it's common knowledge.
* Galford. He's at level 120. The only other person that over-leveled is Diablo who is 150. Diablo was brought into the world by being summoned, and he avoided the slave collar because the ritual rebounded. Galford has no choker, so either he came into the world, or his absurdly high level, some other way, ''or he killed the one who summoned him.'' Rem specifically mentions that the slave chokers disappear if the slave holder dies, just after she found herself with one.
** This is unlikely, Galford being level 120 doesn't mean he was summoned only that he was skilled enough to get that strong.
* The summoning ritual is ''random'' in both the game and the world. Rem and Shera could ''easily'' have found themselves bound to someone far less benevolent. This makes them falling head over heels in love with Diablo so quickly a lot less heartwarming in hindsight, though it's still justified as he ''is'' treating them as spouses, with genuine love, tenderness and respect, treasuring their thoughts, feelings, and well being far more than his own.
* The Greenwood Kingdom. As squicktastic as BrotherSisterIncest usually is, Selcio specifically tells Shera that bearing the next heir, her brother's child, is her sacred duty, and Galford implies that a force of 100 elves is a major part of the Elven army (expecting the complete destruction of the 200 injured elves to immediately bring about the elven kingdom's surrender), with every single elf being raised for combat, specifically archery, ambush, and guerrilla warfare. In addition, Shera notes that conceiving children is not easy for elven women. This brings about some rather unsettling conclusions. At the top of the list: 1.) The population of elves has fallen to the point where elves have to resort to incest to propagate their race. 2.) Elves are already so heavily inbred that miscarriage, among other defects, plague their offspring to the point that the very viability of their race is in serious question.
* The church of the Divine beings. They have a total of 13 Holy Knights, each and every one of them inflicted with MoralSociopathy, who are so radically militant that they make the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades at their darkest ''combined'' look like child's play by comparison. In order to fulfill their mandate to root out Demonic Being Worshipers, they have carte blanche to declare anyone and everyone "guilty" on a whim, and then torture them into confessing, regardless of any plausibility of actual guilt, and not only see nothing wrong with bathing entire towns in the blood of their citizens, but don't even bother to try to hide it. The only reason why they get away with it is that they're so strong, the human kingdom, with thousands of knights, just ''barely'' balance the power of a single "Holy Knight" thus making the king reluctant to challenge any of them. One has to wonder what kind of training these "Holy Knights" go through to both make them that powerful and that crazy. It also begs the question of why the church wants its super-soldiers to be that unstable.
* Diablo notes very early that while using MP in the [=MMO=] is no issue, he suffered serious side-effects from using magic in the new world. Namely a brief black-out when he found himself in the same bed as Rem and Shera, after being attacked by Galak, and then a massive 10 day bout of apathy bordering on clinical depression after the fight with the 100 Demonic being army and Gregor. And again a four day bout of apathy after the fight with the Force Hydra, the elven kingdom, and Galford. Considering that magic is used frequently, especially by summoners, and that numerous high-level (relatively speaking) magic using characters are somewhat unhinged, if not outright ''homicidal'', one has to wonder if the sanity of the general public isn't always hanging by a thread, even without the Demonic Being threat.
* Slavery exists, and numerous characters note when Shera and Rem first arrive in town with the chokers, caused by a summoning ritual accident, that people can be enslaved ''by force'' by someone stronger than they are. While Medios does somewhat run her establishment ethically, there are illegal slavers in existence, as bandits have accosted Rem and Shera before, calling them "goods." Further, When Medios sees Alicia escorting Diablo, she immediately protests that her ''ethical'' slave shop has done nothing illegal. This means that ''illegal'' and ''unethical'' slave shops exist, and Medios is aware that slave abuse exists, even if it is a felony to do so.
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** This is unlikely, Galford being level 120 doesn't mean he was summoned only that he was skilled enough to get that strong.

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There is a great deal in this series that could keep one tossing and turning at night if thought about too much.



* As a player character for Cross Reverie, Diablo has fought other Demonic Being Kings, most especially, Demon King of The Brain, Enkvalous. Considering what we know of Krebscrem, and that these other Kings are supposed to be ''fragments'' of Krebscrem, one has to wonder how many bloodlines were wiped out to unleash them.

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* As a player character for Cross Reverie, Diablo has fought other Demonic Being Kings, most especially, Demon King of The Brain, Enkvalous. Considering what we know of Krebscrem, Krebskrum, and that these other Kings are supposed to be ''fragments'' of Krebscrem, Krebskrum, one has to wonder how many bloodlines were wiped out to unleash them.



* The church of the Divine beings. They have a total of 13 Holy Knights, each and every one of them inflicted with MoralSociopathy, who are so radically militant that they make the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades at their darkest ''combined'' look like child's play by comparison. In order to fulfill their mandate to root out Demonic Being Worshipers, they have carte blanche to declare anyone and everyone "guilty" on a whim, and then torture them into confessing, regardless of any plausibility of actual guilt, and not only see nothing wrong with bathing entire towns in the blood of their citizens, but don't even bother to try to hide it. The only reason why they get away with it is that they're so strong, the human kingdom, with thousands of knights, just ''barely'' balance the power of a single "Holy Knight" thus making the king reluctant to challenge any of them. One has to wonder what kind of training these "Holy Knights" go through to both make them that powerful and that crazy.

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* The church of the Divine beings. They have a total of 13 Holy Knights, each and every one of them inflicted with MoralSociopathy, who are so radically militant that they make the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades at their darkest ''combined'' look like child's play by comparison. In order to fulfill their mandate to root out Demonic Being Worshipers, they have carte blanche to declare anyone and everyone "guilty" on a whim, and then torture them into confessing, regardless of any plausibility of actual guilt, and not only see nothing wrong with bathing entire towns in the blood of their citizens, but don't even bother to try to hide it. The only reason why they get away with it is that they're so strong, the human kingdom, with thousands of knights, just ''barely'' balance the power of a single "Holy Knight" thus making the king reluctant to challenge any of them. One has to wonder what kind of training these "Holy Knights" go through to both make them that powerful and that crazy. It also begs the question of why the church wants its super-soldiers to be that unstable.
* Diablo notes very early that while using MP in the [=MMO=] is no issue, he suffered serious side-effects from using magic in the new world. Namely a brief black-out when he found himself in the same bed as Rem and Shera, after being attacked by Galak, and then a massive 10 day bout of apathy bordering on clinical depression after the fight with the 100 Demonic being army and Gregor. And again a four day bout of apathy after the fight with the Force Hydra, the elven kingdom, and Galford. Considering that magic is used frequently, especially by summoners, and that numerous high-level (relatively speaking) magic using characters are somewhat unhinged, if not outright ''homicidal'', one has to wonder if the sanity of the general public isn't always hanging by a thread, even without the Demonic Being threat.
* Slavery exists, and numerous characters note when Shera and Rem first arrive in town with the chokers, caused by a summoning ritual accident, that people can be enslaved ''by force'' by someone stronger than they are. While Medios does somewhat run her establishment ethically, there are illegal slavers in existence, as bandits have accosted Rem and Shera before, calling them "goods." Further, When Medios sees Alicia escorting Diablo, she immediately protests that her ''ethical'' slave shop has done nothing illegal. This means that ''illegal'' and ''unethical'' slave shops exist, and Medios is aware that slave abuse exists, even if it is a felony to do so.
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* How did Rem know that killing the summoner/slave holder cause the slave choler to disappear? Either she saw it happen, or it's so frequent that it's common knowledge.
* Galford. He's level 130. The only other person that over-leveled is Diablo who is 150. Diablo was brought into the world by being summoned, and he avoided the slave collar because the ritual rebounded. Galford has no choker, so either he came into the world or his absurdly high level, some other way, ''or he killed the one who summoned him.'' Rem specifically mentions that the slave chokers disappear if the slave holder dies, just after she found herself with one.
* The summoning ritual is ''random'' in both the game and the world. Rem and Shera could ''easily'' have found themselves bound to someone far less benevolent. This makes them falling head over heels in love with Diablo so quickly a lot less heartwarming in hindsight, though it's still justified as he ''is'' treating them as spouses, with genuine love, tenderness and respect.
* The Greenwood Kingdom. As squicktactic as BrotherSisterIncest usually is, Selcio specifically tells Shera that bearing the next heir, her brother's child, is her sacred duty, and Galford implies that a force of 100 elves is a major part of the Elven army, with every single elf being raised for combat, specifically archery, ambush, and guerrilla warfare. In addition, Shera notes that conceiving children is not easy for elven women. This brings about some rather unsettling conclusions. At the top of the list: 1.) The population of elves has fallen to the point where elves have to resort to incest to propagate their race. 2.) Elves are already so heavily inbred that miscarriage, among other defects, plague their offspring to the point that the very viability of their race is in serious question.

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* How did Rem know that killing the summoner/slave holder cause causes the slave choler choker to disappear? Either she saw it happen, or it's so frequent that it's common knowledge.
* Galford. He's at level 130.120. The only other person that over-leveled is Diablo who is 150. Diablo was brought into the world by being summoned, and he avoided the slave collar because the ritual rebounded. Galford has no choker, so either he came into the world world, or his absurdly high level, some other way, ''or he killed the one who summoned him.'' Rem specifically mentions that the slave chokers disappear if the slave holder dies, just after she found herself with one.
* The summoning ritual is ''random'' in both the game and the world. Rem and Shera could ''easily'' have found themselves bound to someone far less benevolent. This makes them falling head over heels in love with Diablo so quickly a lot less heartwarming in hindsight, though it's still justified as he ''is'' treating them as spouses, with genuine love, tenderness and respect.
respect, treasuring their thoughts, feelings, and well being far more than his own.
* The Greenwood Kingdom. As squicktactic squicktastic as BrotherSisterIncest usually is, Selcio specifically tells Shera that bearing the next heir, her brother's child, is her sacred duty, and Galford implies that a force of 100 elves is a major part of the Elven army, army (expecting the complete destruction of the 200 injured elves to immediately bring about the elven kingdom's surrender), with every single elf being raised for combat, specifically archery, ambush, and guerrilla warfare. In addition, Shera notes that conceiving children is not easy for elven women. This brings about some rather unsettling conclusions. At the top of the list: 1.) The population of elves has fallen to the point where elves have to resort to incest to propagate their race. 2.) Elves are already so heavily inbred that miscarriage, among other defects, plague their offspring to the point that the very viability of their race is in serious question.
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* How did Rem know that killing the summoner/slave holder cause the slave choler to disappear? Either she saw it happen, or it's so frequent that it's common knowledge.
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* The church of the Divine beings. They have a total of 13 Holy Knights, each and every one of them inflicted with MoralSociopathy, who are so radically militant that they make the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades at their darkest ''combined'' look like child's play by comparison. In order to fulfill their mandate to root out Demonic Being Worshipers, they have carte blanche to declare anyone and everyone "guilty" on a whim, and not only see nothing wrong with bathing entire towns in the blood of their citizens, but don't even bother to try to hide it. The only reason why they get away with it is that they're so strong, the human kingdom, with thousands of knights, just ''barely'' balance the power of a single "Holy Knight" thus making the king reluctant to challenge any of them. One has to wonder what kind of training these "Holy Knights" go through to both make them that powerful and that crazy.

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* The church of the Divine beings. They have a total of 13 Holy Knights, each and every one of them inflicted with MoralSociopathy, who are so radically militant that they make the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades at their darkest ''combined'' look like child's play by comparison. In order to fulfill their mandate to root out Demonic Being Worshipers, they have carte blanche to declare anyone and everyone "guilty" on a whim, and then torture them into confessing, regardless of any plausibility of actual guilt, and not only see nothing wrong with bathing entire towns in the blood of their citizens, but don't even bother to try to hide it. The only reason why they get away with it is that they're so strong, the human kingdom, with thousands of knights, just ''barely'' balance the power of a single "Holy Knight" thus making the king reluctant to challenge any of them. One has to wonder what kind of training these "Holy Knights" go through to both make them that powerful and that crazy.

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* The Greenwood Kingdom. As squicktactic as BrotherSisterIncest usually is, Selcio specifically tells Shera that bearing the next heir, her brother's child, is her sacred duty, and Galford implies that a force of 100 elves is a major part of the Elven army, with every single elf being raised for combat, specifically archery, ambush, and guerrilla warfare. In addition, Shera notes that conceiving children is not easy for elven women. This brings about some rather unsettling conclusions. At the top of the list: 1.) The population of elves has fallen to the point where elves have to resort to incest to propogate their race. 2.) Elves are already so heavily inbred that miscarriage, among other defects, plague their offspring to the point that the very viability of their race is in serious question.

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* The Greenwood Kingdom. As squicktactic as BrotherSisterIncest usually is, Selcio specifically tells Shera that bearing the next heir, her brother's child, is her sacred duty, and Galford implies that a force of 100 elves is a major part of the Elven army, with every single elf being raised for combat, specifically archery, ambush, and guerrilla warfare. In addition, Shera notes that conceiving children is not easy for elven women. This brings about some rather unsettling conclusions. At the top of the list: 1.) The population of elves has fallen to the point where elves have to resort to incest to propogate propagate their race. 2.) Elves are already so heavily inbred that miscarriage, among other defects, plague their offspring to the point that the very viability of their race is in serious question.question.
* The church of the Divine beings. They have a total of 13 Holy Knights, each and every one of them inflicted with MoralSociopathy, who are so radically militant that they make the atrocities of the Spanish Inquisition, and the Crusades at their darkest ''combined'' look like child's play by comparison. In order to fulfill their mandate to root out Demonic Being Worshipers, they have carte blanche to declare anyone and everyone "guilty" on a whim, and not only see nothing wrong with bathing entire towns in the blood of their citizens, but don't even bother to try to hide it. The only reason why they get away with it is that they're so strong, the human kingdom, with thousands of knights, just ''barely'' balance the power of a single "Holy Knight" thus making the king reluctant to challenge any of them. One has to wonder what kind of training these "Holy Knights" go through to both make them that powerful and that crazy.

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* Galford. He's level 130. The only other person that over-leveled is Diablo who is 150. Diablo was brought into the world by being summoned, and he avoided the slave collar because the ritual rebounded. Galford has no choker, so either he came into the world or his absurdly high level, some other way, ''or he killed the one who summoned him.'' Rem specifically mentions that the slave chokers disappear if the slave holder dies just after she found herself with one.

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* Galford. He's level 130. The only other person that over-leveled is Diablo who is 150. Diablo was brought into the world by being summoned, and he avoided the slave collar because the ritual rebounded. Galford has no choker, so either he came into the world or his absurdly high level, some other way, ''or he killed the one who summoned him.'' Rem specifically mentions that the slave chokers disappear if the slave holder dies dies, just after she found herself with one.one.
* The summoning ritual is ''random'' in both the game and the world. Rem and Shera could ''easily'' have found themselves bound to someone far less benevolent. This makes them falling head over heels in love with Diablo so quickly a lot less heartwarming in hindsight, though it's still justified as he ''is'' treating them as spouses, with genuine love, tenderness and respect.
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! FridgeHorror:
* Unless it's a ''huge'', and extremely improbable coincidence, how the heck did the makers of the [=MMO=] Cross Reverie have enough knowledge about the world to make a workable replica with identical mechanics, people and places? And why would a summoning ritual target ''a player?''
* As a player character for Cross Reverie, Diablo has fought other Demonic Being Kings, most especially, Demon King of The Brain, Enkvalous. Considering what we know of Krebscrem, and that these other Kings are supposed to be ''fragments'' of Krebscrem, one has to wonder how many bloodlines were wiped out to unleash them.
* Galford. He's level 130. The only other person that over-leveled is Diablo who is 150. Diablo was brought into the world by being summoned, and he avoided the slave collar because the ritual rebounded. Galford has no choker, so either he came into the world or his absurdly high level, some other way, ''or he killed the one who summoned him.'' Rem specifically mentions that the slave chokers disappear if the slave holder dies just after she found herself with one.
* The Greenwood Kingdom. As squicktactic as BrotherSisterIncest usually is, Selcio specifically tells Shera that bearing the next heir, her brother's child, is her sacred duty, and Galford implies that a force of 100 elves is a major part of the Elven army, with every single elf being raised for combat, specifically archery, ambush, and guerrilla warfare. In addition, Shera notes that conceiving children is not easy for elven women. This brings about some rather unsettling conclusions. At the top of the list: 1.) The population of elves has fallen to the point where elves have to resort to incest to propogate their race. 2.) Elves are already so heavily inbred that miscarriage, among other defects, plague their offspring to the point that the very viability of their race is in serious question.

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