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* BrainwashedAndCrazy: What Bruce and the Justice League think Jason he goes on a rampage as Red Robin. [[spoiler:In actuality he realized that he could not escape Ra unless he pretended to hate Bruce and want revenge and played the part.]]

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* BrainwashedAndCrazy: What Bruce and the Justice League think Jason has become as he goes on a rampage as Red Robin. [[spoiler:In actuality actuality, he realized that he could not escape Ra Ra's unless he pretended to hate Bruce and want revenge and played the part.]]
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* ForWantOfANail: Because he's not a ChildSoldier and has a much happier stay at Wayne Manor, Jason develops a far better relationship with all members of the Batfamily, including Tim [[spoiler:after he comes from the dead]].

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* ForWantOfANail: Because he's not a ChildSoldier and has a much happier stay at Wayne Manor, Jason develops a far better relationship with all members of the Batfamily, including Tim [[spoiler:after he comes back from the dead]].



* WackyMarriageProposal: Dick planned something romantic and dignified but a villain with a collector hobby ended up finding the ring he got for Babs while going through his gear. Just in time for Babs to rescue.

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* WackyMarriageProposal: Dick planned something romantic and dignified but a villain with a collector hobby ended up finding the ring he got for Babs while going through his gear. Just in time for Babs to rescue.rescue him.
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%%* BigBrotherInstinct: Both Dick and Jason. Here it is Jason's death that causes Dick to leave Gotham and become Nightwing.
%%* BlatantLies: The thin-veiled excuses that Bruce and Dick use to explain away their injuries to Jason.
%%* BrainwashedAndCrazy: What Bruce and the Justice League think Jason he goes on a rampage as Red Robin. [[spoiler:In actuality he realized that he could not escape Ra unless he pretended to hate Bruce and want revenge and played the part.]]

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%%* * BigBrotherInstinct: Both Dick and Jason. Here it is Jason's death that causes Dick to leave Gotham and become Nightwing.
%%* * BlatantLies: The thin-veiled excuses that Bruce and Dick use to explain away their injuries to Jason.
%%* * BrainwashedAndCrazy: What Bruce and the Justice League think Jason he goes on a rampage as Red Robin. [[spoiler:In actuality he realized that he could not escape Ra unless he pretended to hate Bruce and want revenge and played the part.]]



%%* CuddleBug: Dick. Jason calls him a huggy octopus.

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%%* * CuddleBug: Dick. Jason calls him a huggy octopus.



%%* ExactEavesdropping: Tim has been able to get close enough to Batman to hear him speak to Oracle.
%%* FantasyForbiddingFather: Bruce, which is the whole point.

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%%* * ExactEavesdropping: Tim has been able to get close enough to Batman to hear him speak to Oracle.
%%* * FantasyForbiddingFather: Bruce, which is the whole point.



%%* HeroicWillpower: Jason is able to resist the Lazarus madness and bloodlust.

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%%* * HeroicWillpower: Jason is able to resist the Lazarus madness and bloodlust.



%%* MissionControl: Dick and Barbara take this role as they're not allowed to become vigilantes.

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%%* * MissionControl: Dick and Barbara take this role as they're not allowed to become vigilantes.



%%* ThePlague: A disease spreads through Gotham in chapter 4, as part of an evil plot.

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%%* * ThePlague: A disease spreads through Gotham in chapter 4, as part of an evil plot.



%%* TrainingFromHell: Jason gets one, courtesy of the League of Assassins.

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%%* * TrainingFromHell: Jason gets one, courtesy of the League of Assassins.

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'''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/12694770/chapters/28947333 Minimum Height Requirement]]''' is a Batman fanfiction created by [=DragOnstOrm=].

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'''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/12694770/chapters/28947333 Minimum Height Requirement]]''' is a Batman ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' fanfiction created by [=DragOnstOrm=].






!!This FanFic provides examples of:
* AbuseMistake: An argument that Bruce uses to convince Dick to not become a KidSidekick is that his inevitable injuries would be mistaken as this.

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!!This FanFic fanfic provides examples of:
* AbuseMistake: An argument that Bruce uses to convince Dick to not become a KidSidekick is that his inevitable injuries would be mistaken as this.Bruce physically abusing him.



* BadassGrandpa: In the epilogue, Bruce is fifty years old but is still an active vigilante. Deconstructed in that the decades the of vigilantism is catching up with him and he no longer has the stamina of his youth.
* BigBrotherInstinct: Both Dick and Jason. Here it is Jason's death that causes Dick to leave Gotham and become Nightwing.
* BlatantLies: The thin-veiled excuses that Bruce and Dick use to explain away their injuries to Jason.
* BrainwashedAndCrazy: What Bruce and the Justice League think Jason he goes on a rampage as Red Robin. [[spoiler: In actuality he realized that he could not escape Ra unless he pretended to hate Bruce and want revenge and played the part.]]

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* BadassGrandpa: In the epilogue, Bruce is fifty years old but is still an active vigilante. Deconstructed in that the decades the of vigilantism is catching up with him and he no longer has the stamina of his youth.
*
%%* BigBrotherInstinct: Both Dick and Jason. Here it is Jason's death that causes Dick to leave Gotham and become Nightwing.
* %%* BlatantLies: The thin-veiled excuses that Bruce and Dick use to explain away their injuries to Jason.
* %%* BrainwashedAndCrazy: What Bruce and the Justice League think Jason he goes on a rampage as Red Robin. [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In actuality he realized that he could not escape Ra unless he pretended to hate Bruce and want revenge and played the part.]]



* CuddleBug: Dick, Jason calls him a huggy octopus.

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* %%* CuddleBug: Dick, Dick. Jason calls him a huggy octopus.



* EntertaininglyWrong: Damian reasons his father's sidekicks don't see fighting before their late teens because they need to be sufficiently trained, but Damian himself has been subjected to TrainingFromHell since early childhood so he gets to be Robin right now, doesn't he? Bruce doesn't waste time popping this dream.

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* EntertaininglyWrong: EntertaininglyWrong:
**
Damian reasons his father's sidekicks don't see fighting before their late teens because they need to be sufficiently trained, but Damian himself has been subjected to TrainingFromHell since early childhood so he gets to be Robin right now, doesn't he? Bruce doesn't waste time popping this dream.



* ExactEavesdropping: Tim has been able to get close enough to Batman to hear him speak to Oracle.
* FantasyForbiddingFather: Bruce, which is the whole point.

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* %%* ExactEavesdropping: Tim has been able to get close enough to Batman to hear him speak to Oracle.
* %%* FantasyForbiddingFather: Bruce, which is the whole point.



* IJustWantToBeLoved: Damian is ''desperate'' for Bruce's attention. He tried to invoke KlingonPromotion on Jason because the older teen spent so much time with their father and is internally devastated when Bruce tells him he's not interested in Damian's fighting prowess, which the boy interpretes as himself having no value.

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* IJustWantToBeLoved: Damian is ''desperate'' for Bruce's attention. He tried to invoke KlingonPromotion on Jason because the older teen spent so much time with their father and is internally devastated when Bruce tells him he's not interested in Damian's fighting prowess, which the boy interpretes interprets as himself having no value.



* InSpiteOfANail: In spite of the fact that Barbara always was MissionControl in the fic [[spoiler:she still [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke gets paralyzed]] by the Joker]]
** [[spoiler:Jason still dies]], albeit differently which also results in Dick becoming Nightwing
* {{Irony}}: Due to his unpleasant stay with the League of Shadows, Jason comes to detest Talia (with whom he has a fairly good quid pro quo relationship in the comics.) To the point where he recoils in disgust upon realizing that Damian is her child.

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* InSpiteOfANail: InSpiteOfANail:
**
In spite of the fact that Barbara always was MissionControl in the fic [[spoiler:she still [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke gets paralyzed]] by the Joker]]
** [[spoiler:Jason still dies]], albeit differently which also results in Dick becoming Nightwing
Nightwing.
* {{Irony}}: Due to his unpleasant stay with the League of Shadows, Jason comes to detest Talia (with Talia, with whom he has a fairly good quid pro quo relationship in the comics.) To comics, to the point where he recoils in disgust upon realizing that Damian is her child.



* HeroicWillpower: Jason is able to resist the Lazarus madness and bloodlust.
* {{Hypocrite}}: All Al Gouls suffer from it. Ra's crusade is to satisfy his own blood lust. Talia constantly declares her undying love for Bruce but she basically tortures his son for nearly two years. Damian pontificates about 'honourable combat' after having sneaked up on Jason and having stabbed him with a poisoned blade.
* LighterAndSofter: The relationship between the various kids is more amicable than in canon. Dick for instance does not become Nightwing [[spoiler:until after Jason dies]], meaning that he doesn't see Jason as a replacement and has thus avoids his BigBrotherBully in canon.
** While Jason still becomes Red Hood, his relationship with the Batfamily is not shattered because of it.
* MissionControl: Dick and Barbara take this role as they're not allowed to become vigilantes.

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* %%* HeroicWillpower: Jason is able to resist the Lazarus madness and bloodlust.
* {{Hypocrite}}: All Al Gouls suffer from it. Ra's crusade is to satisfy his own blood lust. lust, Talia constantly declares her undying love for Bruce but she basically tortures his son for nearly two years. years, Damian pontificates about 'honourable combat' "honourable combat" after having sneaked up on Jason and having stabbed him with a poisoned blade.
blade, ect.
* LighterAndSofter: The relationship between the various kids is more amicable than in canon. Dick for instance does not become Nightwing [[spoiler:until after Jason dies]], meaning that he doesn't see Jason as a replacement and has thus avoids his BigBrotherBully in canon.
** While
canon, and while Jason still becomes Red Hood, his relationship with the Batfamily is not shattered because of it.
* %%* MissionControl: Dick and Barbara take this role as they're not allowed to become vigilantes.



* PapaWolf: Bruce full stop. He does everything he can to prevent them from hitting the streets in costume. The kidnappers that kill Jason end up in body casts and most of them do not survive jail once some of the smarter crooks there figure out that Batman was rather upset by Jason Wayne's murder and might come back to visit.
* ThePlague: A disease spreads through Gotham in chapter 4, as part of an evil plot.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bruce. He won't allow any of the kids to become vigilantes until they're eighteen.
* SecretTestOfCharacter: Jason thinks that the reason why Bruce adopted him was this, to see if he could become the new Robin. He finds out that Wayne Manor has a strict no underage vigilante rules.
* SpottingTheThread: Jason slowly pieces together that Bruce and Dick are vigilantes as they're fine when he goes to sleep but they're hurt in the morning.
* TrainingFromHell: Jason gets one, courtesy of the League of Assassins.
* KidSidekick: Deconstructed. Bruce doesn't want any of his adopted kids to become vigilantes, even though other superheroes have sidekicks. However the narration that many of this kids get heavily injured. Also, he trains the Teen Titans harshly so they would have less chance of getting hurt.

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* PapaWolf: Bruce full stop. He does everything he can to prevent them his kids from hitting the streets in costume. The kidnappers that kill Jason end up in body casts casts, and most of them do not survive jail once some of the smarter crooks there figure out that Batman was rather upset by Jason Wayne's murder and might come back to visit.
* %%* ThePlague: A disease spreads through Gotham in chapter 4, as part of an evil plot.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bruce. He Bruce won't allow any of the kids to become vigilantes until they're eighteen.
* SecretTestOfCharacter: Jason thinks that the reason why Bruce adopted him was this, to see if he could become the new Robin. He then finds out that Wayne Manor has a strict no underage vigilante rules.
rule.
* SpottingTheThread: Jason slowly pieces together that Bruce and Dick are vigilantes as they're fine when he goes to sleep but they're randomly hurt in the morning.
* %%* TrainingFromHell: Jason gets one, courtesy of the League of Assassins.
* KidSidekick: Deconstructed. Bruce doesn't want any of his adopted kids to become vigilantes, even though other superheroes have sidekicks. However the narration that sidekicks, because many of this these kids get heavily injured. Also, he trains the Teen Titans harshly so they would have less chance of getting hurt.injured.
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfSomething: When Dick lists every single KidSidekick who ended up broken by the job, it's strongly reminiscent of [[FormerChildStar kid celebrities falling to drugs, mourning their lost glory or having a run-in with the law]].

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfSomething: DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: When Dick lists every single KidSidekick who ended up broken by the job, it's strongly reminiscent of [[FormerChildStar kid celebrities falling to drugs, mourning their lost glory or having a run-in with the law]].
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfSomething: When Dick lists every single KidSidekick who ended up broken by the job, it's strongly reminiscent of [[FormerChildStar kid celebrities falling to drugs, mourning their lost glory or having a run-in with the law]].
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* EntertaininglyWrong: Damian reasons his father's sidekicks don't see fighting before their late teens because they need to be sufficiently trained, but Damian himself has been subjected to TrainingFromHell since early childhood so he gets to be Robin right now, doesn't he? Bruce doesn't waste time popping this dream.
** PlayedForLaughs when the kid later concludes Bruce is trying to get Cassandra to enter their little coterie because Jason needs a girlfriend -- Dick and Tim ''did'' start dating Barbara and Stephanie when both girls gave a try to the vigilante gig, after all. When Dick points this is not the normal way for relationships to develop, Damian's answer is basically "bitch please, normality is only a word for this family".


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* IJustWantToBeLoved: Damian is ''desperate'' for Bruce's attention. He tried to invoke KlingonPromotion on Jason because the older teen spent so much time with their father and is internally devastated when Bruce tells him he's not interested in Damian's fighting prowess, which the boy interpretes as himself having no value.


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* MythologyGag: Barbara's return to crimefighting leads her to adopt the moniker "Batwoman" -- who's infamously a readhead.
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* HeroicWillpower: Jason is able to resist the Lazarus madness and bloodlust.
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* BigBrotherInstict: Both Dick and Jason. Here it is Jason's death that causes Dick to leave Gotham and become Nightwing.

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* BigBrotherInstict: BigBrotherInstinct: Both Dick and Jason. Here it is Jason's death that causes Dick to leave Gotham and become Nightwing.
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* BigBrotherInstict: Both Dick and Jason. Here it is Jason's death that causes Dick to leave Gotham and become Nightwing.


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* CuddleBug: Dick, Jason calls him a huggy octopus.


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* PapaWolf: Bruce full stop. He does everything he can to prevent them from hitting the streets in costume. The kidnappers that kill Jason end up in body casts and most of them do not survive jail once some of the smarter crooks there figure out that Batman was rather upset by Jason Wayne's murder and might come back to visit.


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* WackyMarriageProposal: Dick planned something romantic and dignified but a villain with a collector hobby ended up finding the ring he got for Babs while going through his gear. Just in time for Babs to rescue.
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* BrainwashedAndCrazy: What Bruce and the Justice League think Jason he goes on a rampage as Red Robin. [[spoiler: In actuality he realized that he could not escape Ra unless he pretended to hate Bruce and want revenge and played the part.]]


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* {{Irony}}: Due to his unpleasant stay with the League of Shadows, Jason comes to detest Talia (with whom he has a fairly good quid pro quo relationship in the comics.) To the point where he recoils in disgust upon realizing that Damian is her child.
** Damian develops an antagonistic relationship with Jason instead of Tim.
* {{Hypocrite}}: All Al Gouls suffer from it. Ra's crusade is to satisfy his own blood lust. Talia constantly declares her undying love for Bruce but she basically tortures his son for nearly two years. Damian pontificates about 'honourable combat' after having sneaked up on Jason and having stabbed him with a poisoned blade.
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* BadassGrandpa: In the epilogue, Bruce is fifty years old but is still an active vigilante. Deconstructed in that the decades the of vigilantism is catching up with him and he no longer has the stamina of his youth.


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* IKnowYouKnowIKnow: In the epilogue, Bruce has this relationship regarding Tim spiking his coffee to deal with his growing pain.
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* AnimalThemeNaming: [[spoiler:Jason]] takes the title of Flamebird, keeping the bird theme, and which has its origins in the same Kryptonian myth from which Dick took the mantle of Nightwing.
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* AdaptationalHeroism: Red Hood does not develop his AntiVillain and KnightTemplar traits in this version, though he's still extremely violent by the standards of the Batfamily.

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* AdaptationalHeroism: Red Hood Jason Todd does not develop his AntiVillain and KnightTemplar traits in this version, though he's still extremely violent by the standards of the Batfamily.
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* ForWantOfANail: Because

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* ForWantOfANail: BecauseForWantOfANail: Because he's not a ChildSoldier and has a much happier stay at Wayne Manor, Jason develops a far better relationship with all members of the Batfamily, including Tim [[spoiler:after he comes from the dead]].



** Because he's not a ChildSoldier and has a much happier stay at Wayne Manor, Jason develops a far better relationship with all members of the Batfamily, including Tim [[spoiler:after he comes from the dead]].

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** Because he's not a ChildSoldier and has a much happier stay at Wayne Manor, While Jason develops a far better still becomes Red Hood, his relationship with all members of the Batfamily, including Tim [[spoiler:after he comes from the dead]].Batfamily is not shattered because of it.

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* AbuseMistake: An argument that Bruce uses to convince Dick to not become a sidekick is that his inevitable injuries would be mistaken as this.
* AdaptationalHeroism: Red Hood is not a killer in this version, though he's still extremely violent by the standards of the Batfamily.

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* AbuseMistake: An argument that Bruce uses to convince Dick to not become a sidekick KidSidekick is that his inevitable injuries would be mistaken as this.
* AdaptationalHeroism: Red Hood is does not a killer develop his AntiVillain and KnightTemplar traits in this version, though he's still extremely violent by the standards of the Batfamily.


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** Because he's not a ChildSoldier and has a much happier stay at Wayne Manor, Jason develops a far better relationship with all members of the Batfamily, including Tim [[spoiler:after he comes from the dead]].
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* AdaptationalHeroism: Red Hood is not a killer in this version, though he's still extremely violent by the standards of the Batfamily.


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* TrainingFromHell: Jason gets one, courtesy of the League of Assassins.

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* LighterAndSofter: The relationship between the various kids is more amicable than in canon. Dick for instance does not become Nightwing [[spoiler:until after Jason dies]], meaning that he doesn't see Jason as a replacement and has is thus avoids his BigBrotherBully in canon.

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* LighterAndSofter: The relationship between the various kids is more amicable than in canon. Dick for instance does not become Nightwing [[spoiler:until after Jason dies]], meaning that he doesn't see Jason as a replacement and has is thus avoids his BigBrotherBully in canon.


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* ThePlague: A disease spreads through Gotham in chapter 4, as part of an evil plot.
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* ChildProdigy: Tim who, like in canon, was able to deduce Batman's identity.
* ExactEavesdropping: Tim has been able to get close enough to Batman to hear him speak to Oracle.

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** [[spoiler:Jason still dies]], albeit differently

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** [[spoiler:Jason still dies]], albeit differentlydifferently which also results in Dick becoming Nightwing
* LighterAndSofter: The relationship between the various kids is more amicable than in canon. Dick for instance does not become Nightwing [[spoiler:until after Jason dies]], meaning that he doesn't see Jason as a replacement and has is thus avoids his BigBrotherBully in canon.
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** [[spoiler:Jason still dies]], albeit differently
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* InSpiteOfANail: Barbara still becomes Oracle, though subtverted in that she did so not because she was crippled by Joker but because she got used to being MissionControl.

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* InSpiteOfANail: In spite of the fact that Barbara always was MissionControl in the fic [[spoiler:she still becomes Oracle, though subtverted in that she did so not because she was crippled [[ComicBook/TheKillingJoke gets paralyzed]] by Joker but because she got used to being MissionControl.the Joker]]
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* BlatantLies: The thin-veiled excuses that Bruce and Dick use to explain away their injuries to Jason.



* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bruce. He won't allow any of the kids to become vigilantes until they're eighteen. For instance, he trains the Teen Titans harshly so they would have less chance of getting hurt.
* KidSidekick: Deconstructed. Bruce doesn't want any of his adopted kids to become vigilantes, even though other superheroes have sidekicks. However the narration that many of this kids get heavily injured.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bruce. He won't allow any of the kids to become vigilantes until they're eighteen. For instance, he trains eighteen.
* SecretTestOfCharacter: Jason thinks that
the Teen Titans harshly so they would have less chance of getting hurt.
reason why Bruce adopted him was this, to see if he could become the new Robin. He finds out that Wayne Manor has a strict no underage vigilante rules.
* SpottingTheThread: Jason slowly pieces together that Bruce and Dick are vigilantes as they're fine when he goes to sleep but they're hurt in the morning.
* KidSidekick: Deconstructed. Bruce doesn't want any of his adopted kids to become vigilantes, even though other superheroes have sidekicks. However the narration that many of this kids get heavily injured. Also, he trains the Teen Titans harshly so they would have less chance of getting hurt.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bruce. He won't allow any of the kids to become vigilantes until they're eighteen.
* KidSidekick: Deconstructed. Bruce doesn't want any of his adopted kids to become vigilantes, even though other superheroes have sidekicks. However the narration that many of this kids get heavily injured.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bruce. He won't allow any of the kids to become vigilantes until they're eighteen.
eighteen. For instance, he trains the Teen Titans harshly so they would have less chance of getting hurt.
* KidSidekick: Deconstructed. Bruce doesn't want any of his adopted kids to become vigilantes, even though other superheroes have sidekicks. However the narration that many of this kids get heavily injured.injured.
* WouldHurtAChild: The various criminals in Gotham City have little problem with maiming kids.
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* FantasyForbiddenFather: Bruce, which is the whole point.

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* FantasyForbiddenFather: FantasyForbiddingFather: Bruce, which is the whole point.
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'''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/12694770/chapters/28947333 Minimum Height Requirement]]''' is a Batman fanfiction created by [=DragOnstOrm=].

Bruce is determined to ensure that none of his adopted kids ever take up a cape...

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!!This FanFic provides examples of:
* AbuseMistake: An argument that Bruce uses to convince Dick to not become a sidekick is that his inevitable injuries would be mistaken as this.
* FantasyForbiddenFather: Bruce, which is the whole point.
* InSpiteOfANail: Barbara still becomes Oracle, though subtverted in that she did so not because she was crippled by Joker but because she got used to being MissionControl.
* MissionControl: Dick and Barbara take this role as they're not allowed to become vigilantes.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Bruce. He won't allow any of the kids to become vigilantes until they're eighteen.
* KidSidekick: Deconstructed. Bruce doesn't want any of his adopted kids to become vigilantes, even though other superheroes have sidekicks. However the narration that many of this kids get heavily injured.

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