This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
fleb: After some internal debate, I cut Charred Knight's subtle Take That! against gratuitous and one-person Fan Dumb claims of Discontinuity and stuck it here. The first two bullets are him; the third is someone who thinks he's serious.
- They made a sequel to The Hobbit? Absolutely not! Tolkien only made one Hobbit book, and then decided that he would just smoke his pipe 15 hours a day, and sleep the other 9.
- For those who don't see why the majority of The Hobbit fans hate The Lord Of The Rings here's some reasons. It's got an egregious Plot Tumor, retconning a scene from The Hobbit. The only major character that is from The Hobbit is Gandalf, meaning that instead of old favorites like the really fat dwarf you get Gimli. Also, instead of the Necromancer, who would logically be the Big Bad of The Lord of the Rings, we get Sauron, some new guy.
- Sauron was the Necromancer. Gandalf explains this. Also, endless retcons and rewrites were basically Tolkien's M.O.
- For those who don't see why the majority of The Hobbit fans hate The Lord Of The Rings here's some reasons. It's got an egregious Plot Tumor, retconning a scene from The Hobbit. The only major character that is from The Hobbit is Gandalf, meaning that instead of old favorites like the really fat dwarf you get Gimli. Also, instead of the Necromancer, who would logically be the Big Bad of The Lord of the Rings, we get Sauron, some new guy.
Charred Knight: Deleted for not making sense. How the hell can you discontinue the centerpiece of the Star Wars continutiy, and still have it make sense? The entire purpose of Discontinuity is that the scene/storyline is so god awful that the series would be better if you removed it. The result your personal continuity still has to make sense.
- This troper takes the unusual position that only the Expanded Universe is canon, and that the films are the product of Adaptation Decay.
- Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: There are multiple dozens of Star Wars books, and quite a few videogames. This troper doesn't believe that the Star Wars EU would make as much sense without the core film trilogy, but doesn't believe it would make no sense at all.
Charred Knight: I am just looking at it like you can't use characters that come from Star Wars films since you called Discontinuity on them and that would remove novels such as the Thrawn trilogy which is considered the best Star Wars EU series. It looks more like Lucas trolling to me.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: It is Lucas-trolling, probably, and it's not my personal Dis Continuity. I believe, however, that it's theoretically possible to keep the characters from the films, but call Discontinuity on the plots. The Star Wars RPG would make it easy. And there are novelizations of the films, and they are more stable than the actual original film trilogy, seeing how Lucas kept re-editing his work after he published it...
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: I know I may be contradicting myself here, but I recognize that to have a Dis Continuity, there must be a continuity. Therefore, I cut this from the Anita Blake thread.
- Who's Anita Blake? Oh, a strong female character who totally doesn't flirt with mind-rapists, make ridiculously stupid decisions, and always need a man to save her right from the get-go? Great, I'll look forward to the first book about her coming out!
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Cut this from the Twilight discussion. Dis Continuity requires a continuity.
- This troper was under the impression that the entire series never existed. What's all this nonsense about there being books out?
- A friend of this troper has described Nineteen Eighty Four as "a very short novel that I've read all the way through to the happy ending where the male and female leads fall in love".
- Even though this misses much of the point of the novel and results in something that doesn't make sense and leaves quite a few plot threads unresolved.
Paul A: Speaking as the friend in question, you may be reassured to know that I don't stand by the description. I knew all along that it was basically just an "Oh noes! Poor Winston and Julia!" emotional reaction, and I never managed to really convince myself it was true.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: this is good, true, and irrelevant to the Dis Continuity page. Cut it and put it here.
- The trouble with the Expanded Universe is ALL Star Wars Novels are written as Science Fiction and so lack the feel of the movies which are Fantasy with an SF decor. The perfect SW novel would be created by taking the plot of Beowulf or Snow White or the Odyssey or whatever making the protagonists Jedi Knights, Aliens, SW Royals, what have you and putting the whole thing In Space.
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Internal inconsistency does not equal Dis Continuity. I'm sure that an entry for The Iliad and The Odyssey could be made here, but this is not it.
- How come nobody has mentionned Homer ? Well, of course, if you consider that Homer is just an urban legend and that the Iliad and the Odissey are simply an adaptation of various authors' versions of the myths, built through the ages... There's no real problem. But assume that a man may have at least started the project and face certain issues too. The Iliad and the Odissey, if written by the same man, may be seen as quite... Contradictory, with a very different style, tone, conflicting definitions of life, and many retcons.
