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A good game, yet it's the same kind of good
note: I did include it in my SMG review, but i'm reviewing this one by itself.

Mario Galaxy was, and still is the highest point of the Mario series. The platforming worked well, the levels were colorful, and full of variety, and a soundtrack that will make even the prettiest girl cry manly tears. But how was Mario Galaxy 2, the first direct sequel to a console Mario game since Super Mario Bros 4. Mario World?

Yes, it was still good. Yes there was still a lot of variety. Yes, it was longer. And yes, the soundtrack was improved. But in the end, Super Mario Galaxy 2 was much lazier than the original Galaxy. Slight gameplay tweaks aside, it was one huge level pack. It had lots of callbacks to the previous games, hell, it even reused some tracks. If you break down the game, you can see the 30 years of Mario history. The most blatant example was the Throwback Galaxy, which was literally a blatant copy of Whomp's Fortress from SM 64. Smaller examples include the Floating blocks level, which has a strong Sunshine vibe, a faster version of a level from Galaxy, a remix of a remix of the main theme, dear lord, i could go on.

Mario's strength has always been huge tweaks from game to game. Every game had a substantial improvement from the last. 1 was much better than Donkey Kong and Mario Bros, Doki Doki Mario was strange, and unique for it's time, 3 included more variety, compared to 1, Land and Land 2 had a different setting, World included bonus levels, extra routes, and more secrets, Yoshi's Island had a colorful artstyle, and different mechanics, like the flutter jump, the egg throwing, etc, 64 was it's jump into 3D, Sunshine gave you a gun (Ok, still...), and Galaxy had gravity, more variety, and several gimmicks that actually worked. Galaxy 2, and by extension, New Super Mario Bros and Wii, didn't revolutionize. It just made small improvements, and tweaks. Other than that, it's just a big expansion pack.

But don't let that discourage you, Galaxy 2 is still a good game. The new power-ups are pretty interesting, and Yoshi's return was welcome. The level design is amazing, and well varied, and like i said, the soundtrack is substantially improved. Every original piece is catchy and at times, epic. It still retains the charm of the Mario series, and the tweaks, while very small, are still welcome. Galaxy 2 is fun, but don't expect a huge leap
"But don't let that discourage you. Galaxy 2 is still a good game."

After reading all that critique? No thanks, I'll pass. *
comment #13807 SNDL 13th Apr 12 (edited by: ManwiththePlan)
Gameplay wise? Yeah, this is a good game. But is it really nessecary that this game exist? That's my biggest problem with it. You don't see a "Super Mario 64 2" or a "Super Mario Sunshine 2", do you?

Just as bad is that this game recycled all the mechanics of the first Super Mario Galaxy but has none of the "edge" when it comes to quality, particularly in the story. Mario's never had the biggest story, not even in Galaxy, but at least that game tried to do something a little bit more than just "Save The Princess from Bowser". But now this game throws all that out (no more Rosalina until the very end!) and instead goes for a Lighter And Softer safe apporach, supposedly because Miyamoto hated the inclusion of a darker story in the first one and wanted to stick with the familiar formula. Which is probably the whole reason this game exists: so Miyamoto can give us "his version" of Super Mario Galaxy. Bleh.
comment #13811 ManwiththePlan 13th Apr 12
Uh Super Mario 64 2 was supposed to happen,died in Development Hell,frankly the only reason there's no Super Mario Sunshine 2 is because people for some reason decided to criticize it for leaving the familiar enemies and Mushroom Kingdom behind,which Super Mario World did before

If Mario does well,a sequel will be in the works,they'd be fools not to.

Besides Galaxy had so much potential,not enough to leave with just one game,so did 64. Unlike 64,Galaxy just happened to leave Development Hell

Thank goodness for it to,Galaxy was a linear,tiny world mess,with serious camera problems,And NO YOSHI. Galaxy 2 really fixed most of those problems. Frankly I agree with Miyamoto,Mario has never been about story,always the gameplay.

Maybe it isn't necessary,but I'm damn grateful it exists,this is the game that Galaxy should've been,but failed to be. This is the game we should've had in 2002

It's not 64,nor can it ever be,but it's easily the best game since.

But Nintendo has always put George Lucas Throwback s into Mario,it's not new at all. Sunshine made a throwback to old hop-and-bop platforming,64 did as well,along with keeping most of the familiar enemies,Galaxy remixed the Koopa's Road theme and the Super Mario Bros. 3 athletic theme,and went linear. It's hardly lazy to pander to the old players once in a while.
comment #13814 terlwyth 13th Apr 12 (edited by: terlwyth)
@Terlwyth Yeah. But in my opinion, they went a little to far with this game.

comment #13819 eternalNoob 13th Apr 12
Fair enough
comment #13820 terlwyth 13th Apr 12
^^^ Wow, that's blind fandom if I ever saw it.

Frankly I agree with Miyamoto,Mario has never been about story,always the gameplay.

That doesn't mean that if you have a story that's actually more than just "save the princess", you have to mess with it and take a huge step backwards in the sequel. Miyamoto is simply afraid to get truly creative and innovative with the games' story.

Maybe it isn't necessary,but I'm damn grateful it exists,this is the game that Galaxy should've been,but failed to be. This is the game we should've had in 2002

Bull. Shit. The first Galaxy is still the best recieved for a reason, y'know.
comment #13822 ManwiththePlan 13th Apr 12
Before an argument arises, i'd like to change the subject.

Potatas
comment #13823 eternalNoob 13th Apr 12
Galaxy ain't the best received because of the story,it's because it pushed the envelope,it could've had as much story as Pac Man and still worked.

Oh sure I'm just a blind fan for agreeing with God once in a while, in all seriousness that kinda stuff worked well for Paper Mario,but it doesn't fit for the main games. As far as I'm concerned Save the Princess works just fine.

.If you wished the story was pushed more fine,likewise I wished Galaxy and Sunshine both ended up being more fun so I'm gonna question.

I'm fine with the story,and you're content with how the original turned out. You don't see me calling you a blind fan over it,that'd be hypocritical

Sorry about that,but no one calls me a blind fan and gets away with it.

comment #13824 terlwyth 13th Apr 12 (edited by: terlwyth)
Potatos Potatas
comment #13828 eternalNoob 13th Apr 12
Look, to me, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is the very defenition of a "cheapquel" that just rehashes everything the was well recieved about the original but without the edge to it that made the original so good. Taking a step backwards towards the Mario fare we've been getting for years doesn't help either. That this game is so well regarded is, to me, a huge loss of credibility for all game critics.

As far as I'm concerned Save the Princess works just fine

Sure as heck doesn't work for the dozens of people who think of Peach as a Dumbass In Distrees.

Sorry about that,but no one calls me a blind fan and gets away with it.

Well, no one has to call you one....
comment #13829 ManwiththePlan 13th Apr 12 (edited by: ManwiththePlan)
Alright fine,it's a cheapquel in your view,not mine. The original was overhyped and had serious issues,understandable for it was trying to do,but now it's been perfected.

Sure as heck doesn't work for the dozens of people who think of Peach as a Dumbass in Distress

Most players find that a non-issue anyway. Those that do,.. well that's what Alternative Character Interpretation is for.

Well no one has to call you one

Looks like you just did (unlike everything else which is debatable,you are unambiguously wrong on that anyway),in typical ad hominem style,because that totally gains respect and doesn't derail

comment #13830 terlwyth 13th Apr 12 (edited by: terlwyth)
I love them both. I would have enjoyed seeing what new story ideas they were originally going to implement in Galaxy 2, but all in all, I think the gameplay is the most important part, and the games more than succeed there.
comment #25845 SunriseWarrior 20th Aug 14
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