Reviews Comments: I liked the series before Cartoon Network milked it—everything's related to aliens now.
I liked the series before Cartoon Network milked it—everything's related to aliens now.
Who thought this show would have Milking Franchise Aliens in it? I certainly don't remember them; Gwen/Kevin being the near focus of the show or Ben being reduced to an annoying sidekick just to remind the viewers this isn't a soap opera we're watching, this is an action cartoon about aliens. Speaking of aliens—does anyone else think they've overused/overdone the "alien" aspect of the show? As in, retconning Gwen's magic to an alien grandma named Verona to fit with everything else? I like Verona, but come on...the magic aspect was cooler. I guess they think we like aliens and snotty brats for main characters now. Even KEVIN, who I honestly liked in the first Ben 10, bugs me because he suddenly has an attraction to Gwen. Also, what the hell happened to Charmcaster? She's never even mentioned anymore after her change of heart. And Lucky Girl was given just a crappy throwback in one episode. That's it. All this disrespect for Ben 10's established canon, even though the original show was ok, is giving me a severe migraine...and like the rest of you, I'm not touching Ben 10 again with a fifty-five foot pole. And the fact that they're treating kids like fat morons throughout the run of the show makes me so mad I want to bash my head into a wall. Also, WHY ARE THEY CALLING VILGAX DAGGON, OR WHATEVER?! WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE A GIANT DAMN SQUID NOW?!
Kevin's crush on Gwen dates back to his original appearance as Kevin 11 in the first Ben 10. So it makes sense that after years away, time to reform, and once more meeting the last girl (and probably before his time in the Void one of the only people) who was nice to him, the crush would return and be stronger. It's good continuity and good writing.
comment #8547 ParadiscaCorbasi 9th Jul 11 (edited by: ParadiscaCorbasi)
Like when? How? What scene? It just felt like it came out of nowhere.
comment #8561 Frankiefoster 10th Jul 11
Wasn't there last meeting going something like this? (Kevin has Gwen in his arms, and Ben is in front of him) Kevin: Give me the Omnitrix or I'll stab your cousin to death! ...Guess Gwen has an attraction to men who threaten to stab her with sharp diamonds....
comment #9308 MasterZero 17th Aug 11
.....Kevin had NO crush, NO feelings toward Gwen whatsoever as Kevin 11. Gwen was never nice to him. Ben was the one who tried that, Gwen always thought Kevin was bad news. You have no idea what you're talking about.
comment #9433 ManwiththePlan 24th Aug 11 (edited by: ManwiththePlan)
....Maybe Kevin is in the closet and is trying to make himself love Gwen to ignore his feelings for Ben? It would explain why Gwen and Kevin's romance seems so fake.
comment #9455 MasterZero 25th Aug 11
I think it was more of CN's desperate attempt to shove away any belief of Ben and Gwen's rather suggestive relationship the fans had (which is rather stupid since they were CHILDREN) and give Kevin a bit of attempted Redemption at the same time. Not that it actually WORKED...
comment #9535 Kishou 29th Aug 11
It didn't. It stabbed Gwen and Kevin's original characterizations in the back and left them bleeding in a dark alley.
comment #10457 Frankiefoster 2nd Oct 11
It didn't. It stabbed Gwen and Kevin's original characterizations in the back and left them bleeding in a dark alley. Pretty much. Oh and... Also, what the hell happened to Charmcaster? She's never even mentioned anymore after her change of heart. This bugs the heck out of me too. Charmcaster's change of heart was something I liked mainly because the Alien Force/Ultimate Alien staff were unable to make her the cool villain she was in the original show, so changing her allignment made her interesting. Yet then she's not even mentioned, despite finding a way to help her being the thing that Ben said would be top priority after the whole Aggregor (and by extension, Kevin) mess was through? Ugh, this show's writing sucks....
comment #10479 ManwiththePlan 3rd Oct 11 (edited by: ManwiththePlan)
...I am NEVER watching this show again after what they did to Lucky Girl/Gwen and Charmcaster. Those two things were the only reasons (other than Kevin) why I bothered watching the original Ben 10 in the first place. Did they just FORGET she existed? Hell, even LUCKY GIRL got a callback (although a crappy one), and she was just Gwen in a costume!
comment #10566 Frankiefoster 5th Oct 11
I watched the original mainly for the villains (Kevin and Charmcaster included), Grandpa Max, and how fun and inventive the adventures/aliens could get. None of that good stuff is present anymore (the new villains are mostly lame, Kevin reformed is lame, Charmcaster reformed drops off the face of existence, etc; Grandpa Max is barely a presence and Kevin's quite a poor replacement for him; most of the new aliens are bland and the adventures are boring as hell.) It's a damn shame. It's worse now. Vilgax looks like a squid.
comment #10573 ManwiththePlan 5th Oct 11 (edited by: Frankiefoster)
comment #10574 Frankiefoster 5th Oct 11
Thoughts on the plot related episode?
comment #12319 qtjinla15 14th Jan 12
Okaaay... did you even bother WATCHING the show before making this review ? Let's see what's wrong with your review : 1) Gwen and Kevin are NOT the focus of the show at all. As a matter of fact it's the opposite problem: there are too much focus on Ben and Gwen and Kevin hardly get good fight. 2) If you watched more carefully you'd notice magic IS still present, and not alien-related; 3) Vilgax and Diagon are separate characters. Vilgax is just impresonnating him. Conclusion: learn how to do a decent review and come back. I have nothing else to say.
comment #15250 Theokal3 7th Jul 12
1) Seeing as the higher-ups in CN put Kevin and Gwen on a bus in Omniverse because they felt they took too much focus away from Ben as a character (fights be damned; outside of that it was always "Ben is a stupid, annoying jerkass while Gwen and Kevin are the good, smart, perfect couple"), I'd say the feeling they were too focused on is hardly exclusive to this reviewer. 2) Magic has been made alien-related through the whole "Mana" bullshit. 3) OK, you got that one right.
comment #16078 ManwiththePlan 11th Sep 12
Okay, I'll give him one thing. Vilgax was called Diagon by the cult before the character was introduced. But it did show he didn't watch all the episodes or he wouldn't have missed why Vilgax became a squid. And Mana Alien retcon was indeed bullshit.
comment #16081 qtjinla15 11th Sep 12
Seeing these hateful comments (except Theokal3's) are more reasons as to why I hate Omniverse and will defend Alien Force/Ultimate Alien if they continue making Ben 10 sequels in the style of Omniverse.
comment #21594 Kirbypower 18th Oct 13
I honestly don't get why the Mana retcon is so badly-received. It's not like that made magic alien-related; more like Anodytes were magic-related aliens. Also, mana has ALWAYS been the source of magic before Ben 10 arrives, so really...
comment #21595 Theokal3 18th Oct 13
Because it was saying that several principal characters and abilities were aliens when it was clear by the original series they were not.
comment #21600 qtjinla15 18th Oct 13
Really ? How so ? No seriously, the only characters whose abilities were retconned as being from alien orgins were Kevin and Gwen. Kevin's power never had an explicit origin revealed in the Original Show (the whole mutant thing was a All There in the Manual fact only), and while Gwen's abilities were clearly defined in magic, her unusual affinity with magic was never explained by anything else than "she is just that good". Really, the whole Anodyte thing just served to explain WHERE Gwen got her magic affinity from, nothing else. Fans just assumed it meant she was pure alien no magic because Kevin and her father (both characters who knew NOTHING about magic) said so.
comment #22143 Theokal3 19th Nov 13
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