Discussion YMMV / StarWarsTheClonewars

I took a look at the entries.

-Regarding Barriss, while she's wrong in blaming the entire war on the jedi, she is right that they have started losing their way due to the war, a fact the movies and series have made very clear. I think that should be restored. - I rewrote the Mace example to make it seem less like it was arguing with itself. I think the added stuff itself is otherwise accurate. - While Anakin is being a hypocrite, he does have a good reason to distrust the council given that they have made it clear they also don't trust him (justifiably or not). - I can't really comment on whether the jedi should have done more to support Ahsoka. I think they should have heard her out before making the decision to expel her, but otherwise, I think they were justified at suspecting her.

Part of the fandom is Rooting for the Empire and looks for any opportunity to vilify the Jedi, and I got the impression that the edits were largely toning down that viewpoint. While Barriss had an underlying point about both the Republic and the Jedi losing their way, not just the Republic, I do not think the Well-Intentioned Extremist pothole should be restored. A lot of "the Jedi losing their way" goes back to answering to the corrupt Senate rather than following their own morals and ethics; like, Barriss did not seem to get that the Jedi did not choose to go to war leading a conscripted clone army.

I have not reviewed all the edits yet to see if they argue with themselves— will come back when I have!

In the first edit, he said that the Jedi Council isn't Lawful Stupid but didn't bother explaining why when the explanations are in the example. In the second edit, he said that Anakin has no reason to be disillusioned with the Jedi Order, which is wrong because they decided to not to tell him about Obi-Wan faking his death to go undercover as Rako Hardeen, and they expelled his padawan, Ashoka, from the order without bothering to hear him or her out. In the third edit, he said that the Jedi Council did everything they could to support Ashoka during the Wrong Jedi arc. This is incorrect; they did absolutely nothing to support her. The fourth edit is just whitewashing, and the fifth and final edit removes the blame for the Jedi Council during the Wrong Jedi arc, but doesn't explain why the blame is unfair. I say revert them all.

Links break on discussion unfortunately, could you use the escape sequence?

As I'm looking more closely at the edits and edit reasons and what other people noted, I have to retract my initial impression. It's looking more like eliminating other people's opinions, saying they're incorrect to have, or changing them from the opinion they were expressing before.

Honetsly go ahead with a revert

I suggest that you should all read GFFA's Metas about the Clone Wars, the Council, the Wrong Jedi arc, and more: https://gffa.tumblr.com/tagged/meta. They are very illuminating, very well constructed, and have backing in the form of screenshots from the show, and interviews either with George Lucas, or Dave Filoni.

Admittedly, this has been the other two months, so I don't remember what my edits were exactly. But the point is that I'm trying to curb a lot of misinformation out there in fandom, as Immi Thrax said. A lot of people look for evidence against the Jedi, despite there being none. I'm not trying to shut down the opinions of others, I'm trying to clarify claims made, and give explanations. For example: Mace Windu called Ashoka Citizen, as she had just rejected being a Jedi, then acted like she should know Jedi-only information. His rebuffal was fair and justified.

What misinformation are trying to correct exactly Tempest Fury? Because so far, you seem to actually be spreading misinformation; you edited this page again to say that the Jedi Council supported Ashoka, but the reality is that they did absolutely nothing to help her during the Wrong Jedi arc. In fact, they actually hurt her by expelling her from the order and letting the Senate judge her instead. Your edit as a whole just paints Ashoka in a negative light while whitewashing the Jedi Council again, like removing them being mentioned under Idiot Plot, and removing the mention of the Jedi losing their way under They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot in the Season 5 folder. Don't redirect us to weblinks; tell us the exact information in the weblinks that we should know. And the Mace Windu part of your edit made the entry argue with itself.

No matter how valid the entries may be, restoring them without discussion is edit warring.

I have read those metas, and actually agree with most of them. I really think the problem is that the Jedi can be interpreted in many ways depending on the personal opinions of the fan. My interpretation is that they were all in all good, well-meaning people, who ended up taking more and more morally ambiguous actions due to believing it was for the greater good.

• Regarding Barriss, while she's wrong in blaming the entire war on the jedi, she is right that they have started losing their way due to the war, as they keep serving a more and more corrupt republic. a fact the movies and series have made very clear. I think that should be restored.
• Agree that Mace gets way too much hate. I have already once fixed the entry so it doesn't argue with itself, so should I do it again?
• While I think giving Ahsoka to the courts was understandable if you look at it from their perpespective, they did still abandon her, and she's perfectly right to be upset about that.