Discussion YMMV / MightyNo9

This could have been done a fair bit better, but Dina definitely belongs in the YMMV section due to the polarizing effect she's had with the community. It becomes highly problematic when backers are banned from the official twitter for using certain trending hashtags and when questioned for it, to downtalk to said backers and end it with literally "Waaaah, fuck you."

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that anyone was banned for use of a hashtag, or are you just taking the word of people that were banned that it was because of a hashtag? And repeating what they said as truth?

The main spark came from when a backer posted a screenshot showing that he had been blocked from the official Mighty No.9 twitter despite donating a fair amount and issuing no tweets to it. Further investigation showed that multiple backers who had donated to the project and used Gamergate in positive mentions had been met with blocks as well. When questioned about it, Dina fell into a HEAVY anti gamergate spat, often telling those with issue to fuck off among many other insults and mockery. While she's deleted many of her insulting and negative anti gate tweets, many of them have been archived and can be found.

Furthermore, she's retweeted and posted many times in favor of known anti camp figures such as Brianna Wu, Zoe Quinn, Jonathan Mc Intosh and others. Adding to the recent problem of Randi Harper's rather poorly done blacklist, numerous folks who haven't even spoken to these figures, Dina included, are now blocked by their personal accounts and anything related to their work. This blacklist is extremely troubling because you get on it by following one of nine people. There would have been more names, but due to Randi's poor coding skills popular figures such as Adam Baldwin and Christina Hoff Sommers broke the listing. Adding fire to that fuel, within the code those listed are given titles such as stalker, abuser, rapist and more, and the 'appeal process' that many of those with issue is nothing more than a simple interview where users are expected to plead for mercy and salvation.

So no, it's not because of a blind following or hatred for her or anything of the sort. It isn't a political issue; rather the only issue is her inability to act in a neutral and respective manner, and her highly unprofessional actions towards backers and the use of her position within the project.

1. Someone posted a screenshot showing he'd been blocked. He did not post proof he had never sent messages. Further investigation did not show anything that other people had been blocked, they simply claimed they had. No, there wasn't proof of a mass-ban over a hashtag. Several like-minded people went "me too, totally, get her guys" and had people take their word for it despite failing to provide any solid proof whatsoever.

2. Karam was not "questioned about it" in the way you're implying. People pointed to some tweets she'd made about recent events in gaming and concluded they were evidence enough that A. all the supposed blocks had happened, B. she's in charge of administering blocks, and C. the claims about being blocked over hashtags were true. No actual evidence was provided.

3. She has indeed expressed support for those people. Those on the other side of recent issues have expressed interest in ethical factchecking. No factchecking is going on here. Claims are being taken as factual statements by people who want to believe the claims are true.

That entry up there definitively does not belong. We don't use YMMV pages to complain about other people.

While I do not believe that Dina should be pointed out personally, there are members of the forum who have had their membership revoked because of their stance on the controversy. This is despite the fact that their inclusion in the forums is a reward for their payment in to the kickstarter project and I believe that it should be mentioned somewhere.

For the sake of disclosure I should say that I have been blocked on Dina's personal twitter. Probably because I'm on one of the expansive block lists for following Total Biscuit or using the hashtag more than a given number of times (I haven't actually made a tweet in months). I am not going to hold this against the game and I am not going to say that such behavior should be mentioned on the YMMV page; but the fact remains that people are being denied what they payed for in the case of the forum bans and that is a larger community issue that can be mentioned without naming names. I have seen other YMMV pages that mention controversy surrounding a given work's community before, so I don't see why that aspect can't be mentioned on Mighty No.9's page. The involvement of Gamer Gate doesn't immunize the controversy from mention.

I have no idea what you are talking about in the first paragraph. Does it refer to the TV Tropes forum or something else?

Nonono, the Mighty No.9 community forum. Access to the forum was one of the rewards for donating to the kickstarter and members have been shadow-banned for dissenting opinions. I meant the Mighty No.9 community, not the TV Tropes community. I'm basically stating (when I suppose I should be asking, sorry) that it could be mentioned without naming particular names.

Basically I'm asking if I can re-add the internet backdraft trope if'n nobody is named in particular.

Nobody has had their membership revoked for Gamer Gate. tvtropes is not for spreading unsourced unsubstantiated rumors.

This is not limited to Gamer Gate, and I would like to reiterate that such behavior (shadow banning members of the forum without giving a reason why beyond dissenting opinion) is not immunized simply because a controversial/polarizing movement like Gamer Gate opposes it.

There is still insistence that the bannings did happen, and there was a backlash against the dev team because of it. A simple google search will bring up forum topic after forum topic from across the internet, along with a few articles detailing the issue.

I'm asking Septimus directly whether or not it would be okay to re-add the Internet Backdraft trope to the YMMV page without speaking of Dina or any other team member in particular. If I get a "no" on that, then very well. I'm not a mod, so I won't argue.

To be honest, that seems only very indirectly related to the game, which is what this page and this wiki care about. And it's yet another Internet drama bottle. I am thinking no.

Alrighty then, fair enough.