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speyeker Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 25th 2018 at 10:35:52 PM •••

While I personally agree that season 2 was better than season 1, and I do know that many reviewers agree with me, I've also seen a fair number of reviews (e.g. from IGN, NOW Magazine, CNN, Rolling Stone...) believe it is weaker...to the point where I'm wondering if the trope here on YMMV should actually be Contested Sequel rather than Even Better Sequel. What do you think?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Sep 30th 2016 at 8:35:25 AM •••

Errr... do the What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? examples really apply? One of the examples specifically says it was a conscious choice, and I highly doubt the rest were accidental, except for the last one which explicitly was inspired by The Terminator.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Sep 30th 2016 at 8:43:20 AM •••

Additionally, I take issue with the Tough Act to Follow entry, specifically the "Not helped in the least by Daredevil's second season airing earlier in the same year" bit. The fact that Daredevil's season 2 really wasn't received nearly as well as season 1 and also got a fair share of accusations of racism actually leads me to believe that S2 may have helped Luke Cage when S1 would've been more of a Tough Act to Follow.

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TheZMage Since: Oct, 2010
Oct 1st 2016 at 12:16:10 PM •••

Also, Luke as a "bulletproof black man" was exactly as political when he was created as it is now

"Aren't you cold, Finn?"
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Oct 1st 2016 at 2:46:26 PM •••

So it's intentionally political. Can probably fit the examples somewhere. Would Rule of Symbolism work?

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
Oct 2nd 2016 at 7:55:03 AM •••

And now Eagal deleted the whole thing. Here it is.

  • What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?:
    • It was hard for even the creators to not draw parallels to contemporary, highly publicized shootings of African Americans throughout the United States.
      Executive Producer Cheo Hodari Coker: When I think about what's going on in the world right now, the world is ready for a bulletproof black man.
    • Early reviews by sites like Gizmodo state the series explicitly draws on issues like gentrification and racism, with Dillard running on a platform of "keep Harlem black".
    • Even Luke's costume of a hoodie and jeans can be interpreted as a reference to Trayvon Martin. Mike Colter confirmed this in an interview, where he says the costume was a choice he made exactly for this reason. It even becomes a citywide icon after Cage is forced to go on the run due to having been seriously wounded by Hammertech bullets and needing to seek special medical attention he won't get in police custody - hundreds of black men don hoodies with bullet holes, making the manhunt an absolute joke.
    • When asked, Cheo Hodari Coker said that he wished we lived in a perfect world where those things could be seen as neutral storytelling elements, but in reality, we're living in a time where stories about racism, gentrification, police corruption, and people in hoodies being shot at are sadly all too relevant.
      Cheo Hodari Coker: Luke, being bulletproof and walking through [redacted for spoilers] was really more influenced by Arnold Schwarzenegger's invading the police station in Terminator. And we shot it that way. But when you see the images of a bulletproof black man in a hoodie walking forward... it just has like the symbolic meaning that I don't think we even anticipated.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
Oct 2nd 2016 at 3:25:52 PM •••

Didn't know there was a discussion thread. I should be better about checking that...

I moved the costume example to the main page under Does This Remind You of Anything? and readded the last example.

Edited by Eagal You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 6th 2016 at 5:45:01 AM •••

Bumping for the second point. This has also come up in Ask The Tropers.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
Oct 8th 2016 at 11:57:05 PM •••

The Gizmodo example? If it's an example it needs to be rewritten. If the show explicitly draws on the issues then it is political, so not an example.

If it's just the article's writer speculating then it needs to be "The show has been suggested to have political undertones by Gizomodo Guy." or something to that general effect.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 10th 2016 at 6:39:19 AM •••

No, the Tough Act to Follow point. We've got What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? covered pretty well, I think (go us!).

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
Oct 10th 2016 at 10:34:54 AM •••

Given the Unfortunate Implications from DD season 2, I'd say that it's not a Tough Act to Follow, especially not for this show.

That season 1 would have been an example may or may not be worth noting. Perhaps as a subversion?

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
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