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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Dec 6th 2013 at 11:49:18 PM •••

This item is being edit warred over. Please discuss it here rather than edit warring.

  • The Scrappy:
    • The Voice of Survival makes himself very easy to hate. It's hard to feel bad when the First Sons shoot him.
    • Trish. She never misses an opportunity to remind Cole that the Raysphere blast was his fault, makes sure to remind him at several times that it's his fault her sister died, and leads you on an infuriatingly annoying Escort Mission atop a bus.
    • Zeke is probably even worse. He is a useless, stupid mooch... in addition to being a traitor. He is apparently Cole's best friend but we are never given any real reason to like or even tolerate him.

For what it's worth, the editor on Ask The Tropers made arguments in favour of readding. I am not sure what the arguments for removing are - I can't see them, really.

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AkoSiKuya23 Since: Sep, 2009
Dec 7th 2013 at 7:18:34 AM •••

I don't know why it was removed since it had no edit reason, but the previous edits seem to indicate it was difference of opinion. I'll admit that the original entry felt more like a complaint, but the most recent addition pared it down.

I'm not sure if this is a good enough argument but while I do really hate Trish, the fact that "hate trish infamous" is a Google search suggestion with the first several links being along the lines of "I hate Trish" or "Does anyone hate Trish" so it seems like it's a general enough opinion. At the very least, she seems like a Base Breaker.

Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 7th 2013 at 4:04:14 PM •••

Okay, going through the three;

  • The Voice of Survival is an easy cut since he's supposed to be hateable. Listing him just comes off as cheap.
  • Google search suggestions are not enough proof to count (and from the sounds of it the original writer was playing a Bad Karma Cole since she only brings up the Raysphere thing once as a Good Karma Cole). Base Breaker could work, but you need to prove that she's hated by the majority of the fandom.
  • Zeke, easy no. There are enough people who like him just on this wiki (three quarters of the Funny page are related to him, plus his actions in the sequal), there is enough reasons given to like him, so that entry just comes off as complaining.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Dec 7th 2013 at 4:40:30 PM •••

Yeah. VOS is supposed to be annoying, and Zeke is actually pretty well-liked overall. Even Yahtzee wound up liking him.

I feel like the majority of the fandom didn't care for Trish. Even as good Cole, she's shockingly slow to forgive him.

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AkoSiKuya23 Since: Sep, 2009
Dec 7th 2013 at 7:41:45 PM •••

@Larkmarn: That's in regards to Infamous 2 where he's now an active part of the game and actually goes through a lot to finally reconcile with Cole after betraying him in this game. I personally don't think he's The Scrappy in this game either since he's one of the few who still trusts Cole, making him one of the few bright spots in an otherwise bleak game.

I actually started playing the game as good Cole and that was one of the reasons why I hated Trish and I felt that, outside of her death scene, her apology and subsequent interactions didn't feel genuine. Like it was forced in just to justify playing as good Cole. Had there been more to her than just blaming Cole, then I wouldn't hate her as much in the good run. And the evil playthrough just magnified my hatred of her as even after going through her That One Level and risking your butt to save her, she lashes at Cole and breaks up with him. Heck, there wasn't even a moral choice throughout that level. And even after all that, she calls him just to remind him he's a piece of shit. Seriously, if she broke up with him, why she is still calling him?

@Shaoken: "Google search suggestions are not enough proof to count". Maybe not, but it felt like it was a good enough indication that there's enough of hatred of her to count with various topics about hating Trish on gamefaqs and several Youtube comments. If it was just a couple, I'd agree, but there does seem to be enough there to at least warrant Base Breaker status. And if that's not a good indication, then what is?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Dec 8th 2013 at 10:00:11 AM •••

Found the trope for the Voice of Survival: he's a Hate Sink.

Zeke's The Load (bordering on The Millstone) for the most part in first game, but I don't think that necessarily makes him The Scrappy. Cole having the personality of wet gravel made me appreciate Zeke more.

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AkoSiKuya23 Since: Sep, 2009
Dec 8th 2013 at 11:49:55 AM •••

Agreed. As I said, in otherwise bleak game, Zeke was one of the few bright spots. He may have been The Load, but it says a lot that he trusts him even when everyone, especially his girlfriend, doesn't.

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