Useful Notes Yanks With Tanks Discussion

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Synthesis
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09:07:30 AM Jul 24th 2016
edited by Synthesis
After a cursory search on TV Tropes, I noticed how few mentions there are in general of the Iran Air 655-shoot down of 1988 (for a fairly infamous incident). Given the nature of the event (for obvious reasons, there isn't a TV Tropes page for Iran Air, or individual flag carriers in general), I thought it was worth mentioning on Yanks with Tanks. As there was no direct message of the Ticonderoga-class, and information on the Navy is spread throughout the page, I felt including a one-sentence measure under 'Advances in technology', specifically following the phrase "Even worse, modern weapons are so lethal..." was an appropriate placement, adding to the section as a whole. Link included, as most readers (well, anyone outside Iran probably) would not necessarily be familiar with the incident.

Obviously I think the event is relevant and worth mentioning (I would want a line about KAL 007 in 'Reds with Rockets', and it is included under Soviet Air Defense—and it's there, though the section remains woefully inadequate next to the length of the article on the Soviet Air Force). I chose my worded carefully, hopefully it does not come off as deliberately provocative or argumentative, my intention was not to start some sort of feud (the event is admittedly controversial, not only for the loss of life but also since no formal apology was issued and the roller-coaster state of Iranian-American relations too), so hopefully that's apparent. The verb "air-defended", while perhaps not the most forgiving to the Vincennes itself, does feel highly appropriate to the dry humor of the article and TV Tropes in general.
jormis29
08:30:30 PM Jul 24th 2016
Well do those events follow with the instructions on the Useful Notes page:
Note, however, that this is not supposed to be an index of everything that exists in the real world — that is the purview of The Other Wiki. We are a site about media and storytelling. As a rule of thumb, items to be added should either be commonly featured in media, or related to its creation in some way.
Synthesis
12:10:41 AM Jul 26th 2016
edited by Synthesis
I believe so? I would say I've heard of Iran Air 655 in popular culture, far, far more than the Posse Comitatus Act specifically (maybe this is speaking to me as a expat however?). I wouldn't suggest that be removed either though (said act is tied a very relevant, topical...topic). I first heard about the incident on Taiwanese TV years before coming to the US, in the July anniversary after the Invasion of Iraq, along with the prior Gulf War. Though I can only speak from my own experience, but it's one of a few "textbook" different cases of the risk of proximity between passenger aircraft and the most powerful and modern warships or ground missile systems (as I recall, the Vincennes was initially controversial because it's role could've been handled by a number of smaller, cheaper ships?).

aartbastiaan
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02:33:57 AM Jul 23rd 2016
Removed some of the most visible nonsense. Apart from all the puffery about "greatest on the planet" and "we could kill anyone in a second" bla bla, some of the stuff was blatantly wrong. The US has the third largest navy (not the largest), the second largest nuclear stockpile (not the largest), and no, they could not "kill all other countries combined".
Inceptor57
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10:35:15 PM Mar 16th 2016
Hey, do these pages cover past vehicles/equipment in use by each country as well? Like World War II era vehicles (I see we've still got the jeep in the light mobility section)? If so, I wanna add onto the Yanks with Tanks part with some well-known WWII vehicles like the tanks if there is no opposition.
AgProv
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12:00:07 PM Jun 23rd 2012
edited by AgProv
German joke from 1944:

When the British Royal Air Force bomb, the Germans duck. When the Luftwaffe bombs, the British and Americans duck. When the American Air Force bombs, EVERYONE ducks.
TrevMUN
01:53:32 AM Aug 22nd 2012
Antony Beevor's account of that joke goes like this:

"If British planes appear, we duck. If American planes come over, everyone ducks. And if the Luftwaffe appears, nobody ducks."

Anyway, I'm tired of the "Americans and only Americans are friendly fire prone" stereotype.
TrevMUN
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03:51:31 PM Sep 4th 2010
edited by TrevMUN
Hey Deboss, was there any particular reason why you moved all the "Forces with Firepower" pages into the Useful Notes sub-wiki? Was there a discussion about this on the TV Tropes forums?

You broke the index by doing this. That's why I'm curious.
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