the United States Navy has double the tonnage of the Chinese navy, what do you mean “not the largest”? Are you going off number of boats?
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After a cursory search on TV Tropes, I noticed how few mentions there are in general of the Iran Air 655-shoot down of 1988 (for a fairly infamous incident). Given the nature of the event (for obvious reasons, there isn't a TV Tropes page for Iran Air, or individual flag carriers in general), I thought it was worth mentioning on Yanks with Tanks. As there was no direct message of the Ticonderoga-class, and information on the Navy is spread throughout the page, I felt including a one-sentence measure under 'Advances in technology', specifically following the phrase "Even worse, modern weapons are so lethal..." was an appropriate placement, adding to the section as a whole. Link included, as most readers (well, anyone outside Iran probably) would not necessarily be familiar with the incident.
Obviously I think the event is relevant and worth mentioning (I would want a line about KAL 007 in 'Reds with Rockets', and it is included under Soviet Air Defense—and it's there, though the section remains woefully inadequate next to the length of the article on the Soviet Air Force). I chose my worded carefully, hopefully it does not come off as deliberately provocative or argumentative, my intention was not to start some sort of feud (the event is admittedly controversial, not only for the loss of life but also since no formal apology was issued and the roller-coaster state of Iranian-American relations too), so hopefully that's apparent. The verb "air-defended", while perhaps not the most forgiving to the Vincennes itself, does feel highly appropriate to the dry humor of the article and TV Tropes in general.
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Well do those events follow with the instructions on the Useful Notes page:
- Note, however, that this is not supposed to be an index of everything that exists in the real world — that is the purview of The Other Wiki. We are a site about media and storytelling. As a rule of thumb, items to be added should either be commonly featured in media, or related to its creation in some way.
I believe so? I would say I've heard of Iran Air 655 in popular culture, far, far more than the Posse Comitatus Act specifically (maybe this is speaking to me as a expat however?). I wouldn't suggest that be removed either though (said act is tied a very relevant, topical...topic). I first heard about the incident on Taiwanese TV years before coming to the US, in the July anniversary after the Invasion of Iraq, along with the prior Gulf War. Though I can only speak from my own experience, but it's one of a few "textbook" different cases of the risk of proximity between passenger aircraft and the most powerful and modern warships or ground missile systems (as I recall, the Vincennes was initially controversial because it's role could've been handled by a number of smaller, cheaper ships?).
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Hey, do these pages cover past vehicles/equipment in use by each country as well? Like World War II era vehicles (I see we've still got the jeep in the light mobility section)? If so, I wanna add onto the Yanks with Tanks part with some well-known WWII vehicles like the tanks if there is no opposition.
German joke from 1944:
When the British Royal Air Force bomb, the Germans duck. When the Luftwaffe bombs, the British and Americans duck. When the American Air Force bombs, EVERYONE ducks.
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Antony Beevor's account of that joke goes like this:
"If British planes appear, we duck. If American planes come over, everyone ducks. And if the Luftwaffe appears, nobody ducks."
Anyway, I'm tired of the "Americans and only Americans are friendly fire prone" stereotype.
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Hey Deboss, was there any particular reason why you moved all the "Forces with Firepower" pages into the Useful Notes sub-wiki? Was there a discussion about this on the TV Tropes forums?
You broke the index by doing this. That's why I'm curious.
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Holy crap this article needed work. Over time since Silent Hunter first wrote it, the article's collected a ton of natter and Wiki Schizophrenia.
Most of the entries read like one giant Thread Mode, people dropping Justifying Edits into things where they were wholly unnecessary (like whoever it was who, responding to the stereotype of Marines in media, lectured that Marines are superior-and-more-intelligent-than-every-other-branch-no-really!)
I've done my best to try and reorganize the trope and add folder controls to several of the sub-topics, as well as condense the natter and eliminate contradictory conversational remarks, while keeping as much as I could of everything else. Not an easy task.
Hopefully it sticks. I was going to add the original text of the trope to my comment here, but it looks folder controls don't work in the new comment system, unless there's something I'm missing.
Removed some of the most visible nonsense. Apart from all the puffery about "greatest on the planet" and "we could kill anyone in a second" bla bla, some of the stuff was blatantly wrong. The US has the third largest navy (not the largest), the second largest nuclear stockpile (not the largest), and no, they could not "kill all other countries combined".
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