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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
Mar 21st 2016 at 6:20:55 AM •••

There's no actual use of this trope here. Either it should be listed under something else, and/or it should be on the YMMV or Trivia tabs. Any thoughts?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Mar 22nd 2016 at 6:26:49 AM •••

Yank. Closest fit would probably Values Dissonance on YMMV, as the show aired at a time when eating disorders weren't really taken seriously.

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anonexistentuser Since: Oct, 2012
Jun 10th 2015 at 2:01:52 PM •••

  • Artistic License – Geography: In Season 1's Travels with Martin they state that Yellowstone is 2 hours from Seattle. Any Seattlite will tell you that it's not true. Its closer to 3 days away.

They never say that Yellowstone is two hours away from Seattle. They say that wherever they are on the road is two hours away from Seattle, and that they can make it to Yellowstone if they drive the rest of the night. So what's on the page right now isn't accurate, but there doesn't seem to be any way for what they actually said to work out either, so I don't know if it needs to be edited.

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johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
Sep 22nd 2014 at 8:25:01 AM •••

  • Odd Friendship: Gil and Bulldog get on quite well, despite being about as different as two men can be.

Are they friends, though? I don't remember ever seeing anything that suggests they're anything more than amicable co-workers — I don't really see them spending time together outside of work. I'm not sure that trope extends to "you'd expect these guys to absolutely hate each other, but they... don't."

Be Since: Jan, 2001
Nov 16th 2011 at 12:33:37 PM •••

  • The joke being, of course, that Dan Butler (Bulldog), David Hyde Pierce (Niles) and John Mahoney (Martin) are all gay.

The first two I don't dispute, but Mahoney? A quick Google search only brings up examples of people speculating that he might be gay without no sources given, and Wikipedia doesn't make any mention of it either.

Camacan MOD Since: Jan, 2001
Sep 29th 2011 at 12:08:56 AM •••

Aversions are only worth listing when there are very few of them. There are plenty of kids in fiction not subject to this trope.

  • Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome: Averted with Frederick and Alice - as they mostly used the same actors their age was taken into account whenever they appeared, with the character behaving appropriately for their age. It helps that Frederick was played by the same actor for ten years of the show.

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 12th 2011 at 6:42:20 PM •••

Restoring this comment, because it's an interesting point. Possible that it would go better somewhere else on the page though.

[quote in which Frasier describes hot weather as being "like the Ninth Circle of Hell"]

  • Which is a rare case of the writers (or Frasier) screwing up a cultural reference. According to The Divine Comedy the Ninth Circle is unbearably cold.

In response to the edit reason: "No. They treat it like Hell as an inferno. Dante's vision of hell is NOT the popular vision. They make more references to Hell being hot throughout the series."

No-one's saying the characters don't think Hell is hot. They're saying the specific concept of the Ninth Circle of Hell is from Dante Alighieri's The Divine Comedy, in which it's described as very cold. Frasier has read it, and he'd know that, and he'd probably be very pedantic about it as well.

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Camacan MOD Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 18th 2010 at 11:56:07 PM •••

Dropped this one — as the natter says he's a long time citizen.

  • Fake American: Martin Crane, played by British actor John Mahoney.
    • That's debatable. Mahoney had been a US citizen for 34 of his 53 years when the show started, and his "normal" accent is more American than British.

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
Sep 29th 2010 at 9:56:33 AM •••

  • Fail Polish: Roz starts out with horrific early-nineties hair and the kind of dress-suits that were common for women in that era. By the mid-nineties, she had much better-looking straight hair and often wore extremely tight shirts and leather pants. The difference is notable.

Was Roz ever meant to be unattractive? Seems unlikely, given her defining characteristic. As for the fashion sense - it was the early nineties then, of course she'd dress in early-nineties fashions...

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